Singapore's GIC to convert UBS notes into shares
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Investment dun mix with politics, a free market capitalist economy embrace a free investment policy, and when you invest, you must prepare to take risk, the higher the risk the greater the gain, but of course, the greater the lost. The differences is that you can study the market and place your bet, unlike gambling, it is all depend on you luck.
sure you are talking shits -
Originally posted by likeyou:
MP said that Paper lost is not a lost,
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Dont really understand.
Paper lost if sell also lost. In simple terms.
which MP said that. yes its paper lost, but still there is value in the paper. if you dun sell it, there is still a paper lost in the value, although you can still recoup back the money when the market go up, but if you decide to sell it, there is money lost when it is realised.
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Originally posted by AH TRUTH 1:
sure you are talking shitsif u see shits, that is up to you
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why they forseen the crisis looming and didn't put on the hand brakes, the answer is,...
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I hv a friend, very successful reminiser, a very senior position. Earns big bulks. He decided to call it a day, and become own boss doing his own businesses while still stay in contacts with his customers...something like that.
And whenever there is ipo being launch, they will allocate a certain no of shares for him. He must buy the shares regardless of whether it makes profit or loss.
Sometime he no choice take all. When ipo listed, the share drops and he make a lost.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
why they forseen the crisis looming and didn't put on the hand brakes, the answer is,...
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I hv a friend, very successful reminiser, a very senior position. Earns big bulks. He decided to call it a day, and become own boss doing his own businesses while still stay in contacts with his customers...something like that.
And whenever there is ipo being launch, they will allocate a certain no of shares for him. He must buy the shares regardless of whether it makes profit or loss.
Sometime he no choice take all. When ipo listed, the share drops and he make a lost.
Formerly, my Dad was also an IPO member, any IPOs coming, he will be informed first hand with 10 lots standby, I remember that time, i was very young, but everytime Dad look happy, a lots of IPO in the 90s makes money, then it slowly went down, my Dad already pull out as a member long ago, now IPO dun make much.
Your friend must have a contract with IPO underwriter, so he cannot run away, most IPO today dun surge, in fact, most goes down, but if you can hold, some of their dividends are not bad.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Investment dun mix with politics, a free market capitalist economy embrace a free investment policy, and when you invest, you must prepare to take risk, the higher the risk the greater the gain, but of course, the greater the lost. The differences is that you can study the market and place your bet, unlike gambling, it is all depend on you luck.
If you are a half-baked lawyer - stop pretending to be an accountant, and now pretending to be an economist.Stay with your position as a Taiwanese 'hum' and as a pimp, as well as a Bar operator.
Only you will attempt to convince anyone that "investment dun mix with politics".
This can only reinforce your position as a pseudo-Singaporean with your ignorance to the ways that business is conducted by the Singapore Government.
Even when one invest, one must be expected to take risks - one do not have to be blindly stooopid to give away US$30 Billion for worthless shares to prop up a sinking financial system - and hoping to walk away as the biggest winner and owner of a sinking system that belong to someone that is a thousand times bigger then oneself.
Only a Taiwanese 'hum' will attempt to sink its money to save a pretentious MAFIA calling for help, and hope to be the next Mafia boss with its small effort to bail out the Mafia in their times of trouble.
Keep your stooopidity to yourself, and no one will know that you are stooopid as a Taiwanese 'hum'.
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Aunty!
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Paper loss is equal to real loss. I am an accountant, I know what is paper loss. Lehmen had lot of paper loss before it goes down. The market did not take it lightly and downgraded its credit rating and all the creditors, including the US government Federal Reserve start asking it to repay the debts.
If Singapore is to go to war today or need foreign reserve to defend our currency, we will end be like Greek but without a fat father to defend us. We go bankrupt and the government will nationalise our piggy bank or sell compusory bonds, hiking taxes to pay for their stupid mistakes.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Aunty!
Nothing to say but must continue with another act as an "Attention Seeking Whore" -
Originally posted by Wmyongj:
Paper loss is equal to real loss. I am an accountant, I know what is paper loss. Lehmen had lot of paper loss before it goes down. The market did not take it lightly and downgraded its credit rating and all the creditors, including the US government Federal Reserve start asking it to repay the debts.
If Singapore is to go to war today or need foreign reserve to defend our currency, we will end be like Greek but without a fat father to defend us. We go bankrupt and the government will nationalise our piggy bank or sell compusory bonds, hiking taxes to pay for their stupid mistakes.
paper loss is paper lost, real loss is real loss, i am a lawyer cum accountant too. In the eyes of the laws, it is different ya -
Originally posted by angel7030:
paper loss is paper lost, real loss is real loss, i am a lawyer cum accountant too. In the eyes of the laws, it is different ya
Yeee, don't talk big to draw attention. If you are you won't have time to seek attention here.
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in investment, the no 1 purpose above all, is never lose money. so if an investment loses money, it is a failure, no excuses given.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Formerly, my Dad was also an IPO member, any IPOs coming, he will be informed first hand with 10 lots standby, I remember that time, i was very young, but everytime Dad look happy, a lots of IPO in the 90s makes money, then it slowly went down, my Dad already pull out as a member long ago, now IPO dun make much.
Your friend must have a contract with IPO underwriter, so he cannot run away, most IPO today dun surge, in fact, most goes down, but if you can hold, some of their dividends are not bad.
No choice, due to networking and contacts, you have to take it or let someone have the lots. Sometime earn sometime loss. My friend ever lost over $10k within minuties of listing. -
Originally posted by likeyou:
No choice, due to networking and contacts, you have to take it or let someone have the lots. Sometime earn sometime loss. My friend ever lost over $10k within minuties of listing.
10k??~~~!must well spent it at resort world!
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Originally posted by likeyou:
No choice, due to networking and contacts, you have to take it or let someone have the lots. Sometime earn sometime loss. My friend ever lost over $10k within minuties of listing.
but if he dun sell, and holds, that is only a paper lost, can get good dividend too, some stocks and shares are below par, but they give good dividend, which is much better than the pathetic bank FD interest. And when booming time come, which will ultimately come, sell it, you dun lost, we have to look at long term for some cases -
Originally posted by noahnoah:
10k??~~~!must well spent it at resort world!
that's is what economist call it opportunity cost, depend on what you want to do with your cash, you can said go resort world, i said go buy COE...at least you can still see a car. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
but if he dun sell, and holds, that is only a paper lost, can get good dividend too, some stocks and shares are below par, but they give good dividend, which is much better than the pathetic bank FD interest. And when booming time come, which will ultimately come, sell it, you dun lost, we have to look at long term for some cases
Yeah, cannot hold on for weeks, once share ups, need to kill it.Rather make a lost and then pump in again for the new ipo.
That is the risk. But then, my friend do earn good profits.
Yeah, not every day is sunday.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
MP said that Paper lost is not a lost,
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Dont really understand.
Paper lost if sell also lost. In simple terms.
they are playing by technical terms lar. if sold, it will be realised loss.
so much for the technicalities.
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one thing to ask, is there a sales charge if sold? I believe there is right.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Yeah, cannot hold on for weeks, once share ups, need to kill it.Rather make a lost and then pump in again for the new ipo.
That is the risk. But then, my friend do earn good profits.
Yeah, not every day is sunday.
if everyday is sunday, all will want to be reminser,....in our daily life, you see me good, i see you good, but problems and lost who knows??? People alway like to tell tales about their wining, hardly their loses...and when they win, they spent lavishly on materialism, shopping for gal like me, sex for man for guy..so, in the end still loose. -
Originally posted by Rooney9:
they are playing by technical terms lar. if sold, it will be realised loss.
so much for the technicalities.
Yeah, my friend ever approach me once, he need someone to buy some ipo from him as it is too much for him to dump the money. So, I gong gong buy lor...lucky the share up and I quickly sell it off making some profits...hehehehe... -
Originally posted by Rooney9:
one thing to ask, is there a sales charge if sold? I believe there is right.
sure have lah, if not eat what, there is also a govt charge, but not for senior jobless citizens, that is why i registered with my Ah ma name, at least the charges is less.In Singapore, you hv to be smart hor, otherwise, dun carry a smartphones just for calling purpose ya
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Originally posted by angel7030:
sure have lah, if not eat what, there is also a govt charge, but not for senior jobless citizens, that is why i registered with my Ah ma name, at least the charges is less.In Singapore, you hv to be smart hor, otherwise, dun carry a smartphones just for calling purpose ya
if have sales charge, then wouldnt it incurred by further loss to the investment when it is already a loss when you sell them. -
same, it is still deduct that charges, buying and selling is your perogatives, they are doing a service to you, dun tell me you dun paid for the servicing? A reminser dun really give u advices as a stockbroker do, any tom and dick can be train as a reminser, but as a stockbroker, you need certain qualification in finance and banking. Usually reminsers work for the stockbroker, reminser will handle the lower ah beng and ah lian shares while the broker (boss) will handle the fund managers or any rich guy. Reminser also earn a salary, with service charges, how can the boss pay him?
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i meant without service charges, how is the boss going to paid him.