Does upgrading of skills really help?
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Originally posted by charlize:
More people with the same skills means more competition for limited jobs.
Means you need to lower your salary expectations to get the job lor.
In sg, upgrading means lowering your salary expectations.
Bingo! -
So we're talking about "upgrading", not upgrading?
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worse for now.
almost aspect of jobs need accredition from govt
agents lar
Lawyers lar
dr lar
maybe toilets staff also
need to upgrade or go for exams
never know...
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
upgrade from O level to diploma level. or from diploma to a graduate. then upgrading is effective. or can be that a BA graduate pursuing for ACCA or CFA qualifications.
Even degree holders, Masters level and Phd Level holders have problems finding well paying jobs.
Unless you want to work as a card dealer in the casino in which case, you better have reasonably long hands.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Even degree holders, Masters level and Phd Level holders have problems finding well paying jobs.
Unless you want to work as a card dealer in the casino in which case, you better have reasonably long hands.
step into casiondun forget to bring a bar of choc
and rem to comb the hair till the behind
and wear a black suit..
remind us of .....who ar
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
worse for now.
almost aspect of jobs need accredition from govt
agents lar
Lawyers lar
dr lar
maybe toilets staff also
need to upgrade or go for exams
never know...
after the loss they made by GIC and Temasick, they now very short of money, finding ways and means to earn more $$$$ to make up for the losses so they come up with all these accreditations --- good ways for their profit making
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
after the loss they made by GIC and Temasick, they now very short of money, finding ways and means to earn more $$$$ to make up for the losses so they come up with all these accreditations --- good ways for their profit making
no wonder i kena connedinto paying some course which cost
me $$$..
haiz but bo bian wat to do
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
no wonder i kena connedinto paying some course which cost
me $$$..
haiz but bo bian wat to do
I think there must be a hidden agenda when they start the compulsory to inform HDB about rented HDB flats. May be later, they going to ask for a share of the rental $$$$$$
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
So we're talking about "upgrading", not upgrading?
"Upgrading" always sounds nice.
But in Singapore's context, it always means something else.
Like "upgrading" to a bigger flat - read it as "taking on more debt"
"Upgrading" your skills - read it as "you are not counted in the unemployment statistics if you are studying for some course full time"
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If u go upgrading, more jobs such as trainers, lecturers and technical officers will be created. More extra take home paid for them
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sigh, i think it's time to upgrade to a prada shoe lol
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Originally posted by angel7030:
If u go upgrading, more jobs such as trainers, lecturers and technical officers will be created. More extra take home paid for them
The Taiwanese 'hum' is certainly good at defending the PAP in hiding the real truth about their efforts at creating redundancy.Is it any surprise that the PAP government is so overbloated with so many Ministers and Second-Ministers, Ministers of State and Permanent Secretaries - all manned by elected PAP Members of Parliament ?
Even the PM has upgraded his position- compared to LKY and GCT - by having the most number of Ministers without Portfolios to support himself while he upgrade his life with hours at Yoga.
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Upgrading of skills is pretty much useless.
Why do I say so? It's because of the level of maturity (or the lack thereof) of our businesses.
No one cares about your skills upgrading. They are only interested in how cheap you are. This is the sad state of the Singapore job market, caught in a vicious cycle of sacrificing quality for the sake of costs.
angel7030 (assuming what she said is real, which I highly don't think so) and adam khoo are obvious examples of immature businessmen who only look at the NOW, and not long term.
Even the govt is now implicitly acknowledging its mistake of importing foreigners without control, and causing problems with society.
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Mark Lee admits that most of his workers at Old Town White Coffee are from mainland China
http://sgforums.com/forums/1501/topics/389940
It's just more money that is being earned!
skill upgrading could be justify whe you are able to help(make) co
1 - earned more $, no bad debts
2 - save costs, help co buy cheaper, durable, better quality (raw) materials
3 - use $ to grow more $ like investment, buy "good" machinery
4 - deisgn, make, etc products that are of lower costs but could earned higher profit margin
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Originally posted by tumbletim:
nowadays employers want u to be T-shaped employee .... so naturally, upgrading of skills help ... but will they peg ur salary to ur ability?
Really depends on ones manager.If sway sway have a stingy manager, dont expect any increase in salary even though one has upgrade and take on new tasks.
And most of the manager belong to stingy group. Their mind is to help company cut cost, make your salary stagnant, give little bonus. No increment. They are the best in doing this and making pple not happy.
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Originally posted by ChoCoChips:
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Originally posted by tumbletim:
employers should undergo some upgrading oso ..to be fair ..
Yeah, to learn how to treat their employees good and not to be so stingy. And employers tend to have low eq. -
Originally posted by charlize:
Everytime people cannot find jobs, the people at the top will tell them to upgrade their skills.
Upgrade already and still cannot find jobs, go for re-training and more upgrading again.
After a few rounds of upgrading and re-training, end up with a $500 a month job washing dishes.
How to survive?
I hv a friend, was retrenched, go for govt aided training...go for so many courses, yet, still jobless. Btw, he already comeing to 50. -
Managers only interested in bottom line. How you upgrade, I am not interested, they only interested in profits. If can cut cost, reduce salary and profits increase, they will be very happy. Hack care whether staff can survive or not.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Managers only interested in bottom line. How you upgrade, I am not interested, they only interested in profits. If can cut cost, reduce salary and profits increase, they will be very happy. Hack care whether staff can survive or not.
Impart SG start up with MNC, they practice country hoping as such local management does not take training into consideration. The Total Quality look at both cost and efficiency and talent in the local pool.Quality of Training in Singapore is in Question....there are many professional certification program that required substantial direct exposure. But for some reason Singapore take the study mentality to get certification. You can never produce the exact quality certification professional if you simply take up courses to study for an exam to get the certification without real exposured.
A lot of Singaporean too think by getting the certification will get them the JOB.....well it doesn't work that way.....experience first than certification to apply the knowledged to Zero in directly related to your field of profession in real world application.
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Originally posted by charlize:
Everytime people cannot find jobs, the people at the top will tell them to upgrade their skills.
Upgrade already and still cannot find jobs, go for re-training and more upgrading again.
After a few rounds of upgrading and re-training, end up with a $500 a month job washing dishes.
How to survive?
there is a different between upgrade your skill vs career changed.
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assuming we hire uncles and aunties for old town cafe...they cannot speak english nvm, send them for english course. But would mark lee still want to hire them? NO. That's becos chinamen always cheaper.
Any disputes on this?
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Upgrading of skills is pretty much useless.
Why do I say so? It's because of the level of maturity (or the lack thereof) of our businesses.
No one cares about your skills upgrading. They are only interested in how cheap you are. This is the sad state of the Singapore job market, caught in a vicious cycle of sacrificing quality for the sake of costs.
angel7030 (assuming what she said is real, which I highly don't think so) and adam khoo are obvious examples of immature businessmen who only look at the NOW, and not long term.
Even the govt is now implicitly acknowledging its mistake of importing foreigners without control, and causing problems with society.
Hi Soul_rage
Adam Khoo only employ 4 foreigners out of his 120 employees.
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Originally posted by AH TRUTH:
Mark Lee admits that most of his workers at Old Town White Coffee are from mainland China
http://sgforums.com/forums/1501/topics/389940
It's just more money that is being earned!
skill upgrading could be justify whe you are able to help(make) co
1 - earned more $, no bad debts
2 - save costs, help co buy cheaper, durable, better quality (raw) materials
3 - use $ to grow more $ like investment, buy "good" machinery
4 - deisgn, make, etc products that are of lower costs but could earned higher profit margin
so....what are u going to imply??? good or no good? right or wrong??
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Impart SG start up with MNC, they practice country hoping as such local management does not take training into consideration. The Total Quality look at both cost and efficiency and talent in the local pool.Quality of Training in Singapore is in Question....there are many professional certification program that required substantial direct exposure. But for some reason Singapore take the study mentality to get certification. You can never produce the exact quality certification professional if you simply take up courses to study for an exam to get the certification without real exposured.
A lot of Singaporean too think by getting the certification will get them the JOB.....well it doesn't work that way.....experience first than certification to apply the knowledged to Zero in directly related to your field of profession in real world application.
well said