Originally posted by Fantagf:
No swear word from PAP, I don't think so. I have seen han seng tong stooped as low as DPP to humiliate low thia kiang during the last election campaign. This was screened on national TV. I was surprised to witness this.
Ok, what exactly are the words he used? Did he use any swear words? I don't think so right? If he did, I would be very surprised if its aired on national TV.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
You mean you are ignorant to the way the locals are treated by the ruling party.
I am local and I am very much aware of how I am being treated by the government. To be honest, I don't see anything quite wrong with it. Life is certainly not smooth sailing for me and I did indeed run into problems which my MP could not help me with, but that doesn't mean therefore I should start calling them names.
You and I may have different experiences in life, or we could have drawn very different conclusions from our experiences and hence the differences in our perceptions of PAP. I do not think however, that we should therefore easily dismiss each other's comments as being ignorant, bias or an attempt to boot-lick any party.
Originally posted by wisefool83:I am local and I am very much aware of how I am being treated by the government. To be honest, I don't see anything quite wrong with it. Life is certainly not smooth sailing for me and I did indeed run into problems which my MP could not help me with, but that doesn't mean therefore I should start calling them names.
You and I may have different experiences in life, or we could have drawn very different conclusions from our experiences and hence the differences in our perceptions of PAP. I do not think however, that we should therefore easily dismiss each other's comments as being ignorant, bias or an attempt to boot-lick any party.
Comfirm u are PAP supporter. Even some one on neutral stand will not say ' I don't see anything quite wrong with it' .
U shall look at some of the minister words before u claim there is nothing wrong with it..
How much PAP pay u to come here and try psycho us?
He should be pitied!
Originally posted by zenden9:
Comfirm u are PAP supporter. Even some one on neutral stand will not say ' I don't see anything quite wrong with it' .U shall look at some of the minister words before u claim there is nothing wrong with it..
How much PAP pay u to come here and try psycho us?
This is what I mean when I say some of the opposition supporters live in a dichotomy world, if someone says something remotely positive about the PAP, he/she must be a PAP supporter and the PAP must have paid him/her to spread propaganda. How about the times when I said something positive about Silvia Lim too? Was I taking money from the opposition too?
"I don't see anything wrong with it" is a very personal statement, a mere expression of my personal view and conclusions of events. If it causes you to instantly label me with a name and imply that what I am saying must be lies, then I must question, as I have in many other occasions, how much different are you from the "oppressive" PAP that you claim you are protesting against? I have witnessed many online protesters showing very little tolerance towards views that differ from theirs.
Originally posted by laurence82 father:He should be pitied!
erm.... if your response if directed towards my exchange with Fantagf, you might want to put a quote of either Fantagf or me so I would know if I should respond. Cheers.
Originally posted by wisefool83:I am local and I am very much aware of how I am being treated by the government. To be honest, I don't see anything quite wrong with it. Life is certainly not smooth sailing for me and I did indeed run into problems which my MP could not help me with, but that doesn't mean therefore I should start calling them names.
You and I may have different experiences in life, or we could have drawn very different conclusions from our experiences and hence the differences in our perceptions of PAP. I do not think however, that we should therefore easily dismiss each other's comments as being ignorant, bias or an attempt to boot-lick any party.
Well, not everyone is fooled by your words. I remember your presence here before, subtlely passive aggressively against people who do not agree with the ruling party. You still have not changed. You have failed to convince me with your words. Go on hallucinating that PAP and its members are not that bad. Go on.
I don't think your attempt to convince people that PAP are not that bad will succeed.
wisefool83, people are not blind and dumb to what you say, again I wanna say you will not be successful to convince people that PAP is not that bad. We live in Singapore and are aware of what is going on.
Mind you, not all who come here are opposition supporters.
wow, looks like wisefool83 putting himself in battle ground with people here. Anyone not agreeable to PAP, he deals with their post one by one.
If it is so that he is not all for talking people out of exposing the PAP then why is it then he is so quick, so fast, so eager to deal with these forumers. Hahahahah!
Come clean with it, wisefool83, admit you are all the way here to fight people who do not agree with PAP. Don't act a wolf in the sheep's clothing, you are already exposed!
Wisefool83 ar? you are indeed wise and also a fool, why argue with my aunty whose mind already set to dislike PAP no matter what good PAP can delivery to her, even LKY gives her a big house, she will still hate PAP, that's is the true of it, so dun be a fool ya.
You need to attend Angel's forum training centre to learn more. I can give you 20% discount, with Gst.
Originally posted by angel7030:Wisefool83 ar? you are indeed wise and also a fool, why argue with my aunty whose mind already set to dislike PAP no matter what good PAP can delivery to her, even LKY gives her a big house, she will still hate PAP, that's is the true of it, so dun be a fool ya.
You need to attend Angel's forum training centre to learn more. I can give you 20% discount, with Gst.
Stop calling me your aunt! Don't act cute by calling me your aunt!
You do not bother to read my posts to know that I do praise PAP for putting effort to maintence religious and racial peace and harmony in Singapore. YOu come here create trouble does not help to improve your pub brothel business!
YOu are so good in creating bad karma for yourself, hahahahhaha! To me is ren bu fan wo wo bu fan ren. YOu curse forumers when you don't like what they say. I bet you don't dare go Election STrategy, do you?
Just because you have a bad reputation in Speakers' Corner you want others to be in the same shoes with you, no way! Just ask the forumers here who know you, they will be able to tell your words and behaviour. We all know your motive here.
Originally posted by angel7030:Wisefool83 ar? you are indeed wise and also a fool, why argue with my aunty whose mind already set to dislike PAP no matter what good PAP can delivery to her, even LKY gives her a big house, she will still hate PAP, that's is the true of it, so dun be a fool ya.
You need to attend Angel's forum training centre to learn more. I can give you 20% discount, with Gst.
I do not seek to change Fantagf's view with my words, but I believe that the very purpose of a forum is to facilitate the exchange of ideas and views rather than a platform for propaganda wars.
At the same time, my exchange with Fantagf appears to have evolved into a demonstration of what I was saying in my first post in this topic.
Originally posted by Fantagf:Well, not everyone is fooled by your words. I remember your presence here before, subtlely passive aggressively against people who do not agree with the ruling party. You still have not changed. You have failed to convince me with your words. Go on hallucinating that PAP and its members are not that bad. Go on.
I don't think your attempt to convince people that PAP are not that bad will succeed.
As I have mentioned to Angel, I do not seek to change your views, but merely present mine. Whether reader choose to subscribe to your views or mine is up to their own discretion. If I do seek to change anything about you and people similar to you, it is perhaps less of your viewpoints but more of your forum attitude and behavior.
Originally posted by wisefool83:As I have mentioned to Angel, I do not seek to change your views, but merely present mine. Whether reader choose to subscribe to your views or mine is up to their own discretion. If I do seek to change anything about you and people similar to you, it is perhaps less of your viewpoints but more of your forum attitude and behavior.
Condescending. You are just merely playing with words and those who are smart know your motives here. So all in this forum are not up to your standard, I suggest you go surf other sites that can please you 100%.
Since you are so unhappy with the people here, just go go tell PAP to shut our mouths.
You are no different from eric how just that you are playing it cool with words to attack people subtlely. Come on, you think all are babies here to be fooled by you, fat hope!
Originally posted by Fantagf:wow, looks like wisefool83 putting himself in battle ground with people here. Anyone not agreeable to PAP, he deals with their post one by one.
If it is so that he is not all for talking people out of exposing the PAP then why is it then he is so quick, so fast, so eager to deal with these forumers. Hahahahah!
Come clean with it, wisefool83, admit you are all the way here to fight people who do not agree with PAP. Don't act a wolf in the sheep's clothing, you are already exposed!
Again, this seems a demonstration of what I meant when I said some opposition supporters deploy thuggish tactics. None of the five sentences (inclusive of 2 from previous post) here has any relevance with the topic of our exchanges and are leaning towards name calling and senseless accusation.
Responding to these post has always been a dilemma to me. On one hand, I understand that responding to such posts are pointless as they will only invite retaliations and drive the entire exchange into a spat of name callings and wild accusations. On the other hand, I do not wish you nor any of the readers to interpret my absence of respond as an admission of guilt or in a worse scenario interpreting that this is the appropriate forum tactic to silence your opponent.
My current inclination is to continue to respond for as long as my patience allow me too and leave it up to the readers to judge the quality of the exchanges.
As to why I am able and willing to respond so earnestly and swiftly, my current occupation actually involves me researching netizens' behavior and viewpoints. Although my actual job scope is to observe the netizens from China, particularly the Fen Qings, I have noticed some similar behaviors between the Fen Qings and the netizens here. So I get to surf Sgforum with my work PC openly :D
Originally posted by wisefool83:I do not seek to change Fantagf's view with my words, but I believe that the very purpose of a forum is to facilitate the exchange of ideas and views rather than a platform for propaganda wars.
At the same time, my exchange with Fantagf appears to have evolved into a demonstration of what I was saying in my first post in this topic.
Certainly, that's one of the objective of a forum, but what exchanges and faciliating are you talking about if you are engaging with someone whose mind is fixed with no room for flexibility.
In the 1st rule of engagement between humans, learn and understand your opposite first, if not, mostly likely, you are wasting your effort and getting heated up for nothing, and in a business context, you are losing profit ya
Originally posted by wisefool83:Again, this seems a demonstration of what I meant when I said some opposition supporters deploy thuggish tactics. None of the five sentences (inclusive of 2 from previous post) here has any relevance with the topic of our exchanges and are leaning towards name calling and senseless accusation.
Responding to these post has always been a dilemma to me. On one hand, I understand that responding to such posts are pointless as they will only invite retaliations and drive the entire exchange into a spat of name callings and wild accusations. On the other hand, I do not wish you nor any of the readers to interpret my absence of respond as an admission of guilt or in a worse scenario interpreting that this is the appropriate forum tactic to silence your opponent.
My current inclination is to continue to respond for as long as my patience allow me too and leave it up to the readers to judge the quality of the exchanges.
As to why I am able and willing to respond so earnestly and swiftly, my current occupation actually involves me researching netizens' behavior and viewpoints. Although my actual job scope is to observe the netizens from China, particularly the Fen Qings, I have noticed some similar behaviors between the Fen Qings and the netizens here. So I get to surf Sgforum with my work PC openly :D
Who cares about your job????
You are so fond of making sweeping statement, mind you I did indicate I am not a opposite supporter.
Since you are so unhappy with the people here , just go ahead to list down what and how you want forumers to talk and behave here.
I want to say it again, not all are blind to what you are up to.
here has any relevance with the topic of our exchanges and are leaning towards name calling and senseless accusation
When did I do name calling to you, quote me examples from this thread? Your motive here is clear with some of us and we are just stating it that is all and nothing to do with accusation. In fact, it is the other way round - you accuse me. Just admit that you are not happy with us for exposing you instead of going round and round ranting, point fingers.
Like I said, if you are so very unhappy with the people here, go surf websites that will make you happy 100%. We are not here to please you so don't keep attacking us in your sneaky, subtle manner.
Originally posted by Fantagf:Stop calling me your aunt! Don't act cute by calling me your aunt!
You do not bother to read my posts to know that I do praise PAP for putting effort to maintence religious and racial peace and harmony in Singapore. YOu come here create trouble does not help to improve your pub brothel business!YOu are so good in creating bad karma for yourself, hahahahhaha! To me is ren bu fan wo wo bu fan ren. YOu curse forumers when you don't like what they say. I bet you don't dare go Election STrategy, do you?
Just because you have a bad reputation in Speakers' Corner you want others to be in the same shoes with you, no way! Just ask the forumers here who know you, they will be able to tell your words and behaviour. We all know your motive here.
What motive leh??? got money to earn meh? aiya, Aunt dun like this lah, me just playing here also cannot...relax lah, enjoy life ya. Between, i get left, right, up, down from aunties and uncles more than anyone here, where i got curse others???
Hey my reputation is good ok, i remember once i was voted as one of the best female forum in sgforum ya. so dun play play hor
Originally posted by angel7030:What motive leh??? got money to earn meh? aiya, Aunt dun like this lah, me just playing here also cannot...relax lah, enjoy life ya. Between, i get left, right, up, down from aunties and uncles more than anyone here, where i got curse others???
Hey my reputation is good ok, i remember once i was voted as one of the best female forum in sgforum ya. so dun play play hor
nobody here wants to be and admit to be your uncles and aunties. Nobody want to be associated with you ok. So wake up!
Please, you have you have. I go ask that somebody about it.
In your hallucination that your reputation is good. Time for your to go back IMH.
This is not a playground for you. Better you go think of how to improve your business if you are not in here for proper discussion.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Who cares about your job????You are so fond of making sweeping statement, mind you I did indicate I am not a opposite supporter.
Since you are so unhappy with the people here , just go ahead to list down what and how you want forumers to talk and behave here.
I want to say it again, not all are blind to what you are up to.
here has any relevance with the topic of our exchanges and are leaning towards name calling and senseless accusation
When did I do name calling to you, quote me examples from this thread? Your motive here is clear with some of us and we are just stating it that is all and nothing to do with accusation.
Like I said, if you are so very unhappy with the people here, go surf websites that will make you happy 100%. We are not here to please you so don't keep attacking us in your sneaky, subtle manner.
oh...Mr. wisefool, just miss our, Calling names are my aunt greatest weapon, but not to worry, it mend no harm, for your info, i was called from Hum to pimp to pros...just because of the meesiam mai hum topics and pubs business.
In the begining, it was very hard for me to adapt, not only I am being scolded and crushed with names and vulgarities in public, even thru my PMs, full of criticisms, and if you want to choose a word to swear at someone you dun like, i think i have a list of vocal inside my PM to offer you, if you want it. But i guess as a gentleman like you, you won't need all these stuffs ya. Nevertheless, enjoy your arguement, and keep posting with substance.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
nobody here wants to be and admit to be your uncles and aunties. Nobody want to be associated with you ok. So wake up!Please, you have you have. I go ask that somebody about it.
In your hallucination that your reputation is good. Time for your to go back IMH.
This is not a playground for you. Better you go think of how to improve your business if you are not in here for proper discussion.
Hmmm...you start to talk sense liao.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Why the forumer go and mail Eric's lau peh about his son's bad behavior?
The forumer should send the links to all the RIVALS and COMPETITORS of Eric's company.
Let those rivals and competitors go laugh at Eric and his "supportive" family. When that happens, his dad sure give him donkey ears.
Hahahaha!!!
I 200% support what u said!
Originally posted by angel7030:
oh...Mr. wisefool, just miss our, Calling names are my aunt greatest weapon, but not to worry, it mend no harm, for your info, i was called from Hum to pimp to pros...just because of the meesiam mai hum topics and pubs business.In the begining, it was very hard for me to adapt, not only I am being scolded and crushed with names and vulgarities in public, even thru my PMs, full of criticisms, and if you want to choose a word to swear at someone you dun like, i think i have a list of vocal inside my PM to offer you, if you want it. But i guess as a gentleman like you, you won't need all these stuffs ya. Nevertheless, enjoy your arguement, and keep posting with substance.
hahah looks like you are talking to the wrong person, did u not take your medicine???
Did you not do name calling? Prove to us all that you have not been doing name calling. it is your behaviour and words that people can tell what sort of person you are and they just respond accordingly. You are the greatest culprit here to curse , do name calling to people, talk dirty. I don't blame Atobe for treating you such for you deserve it.
I am sure some forumers here are able to quote your words here in Speakers' Corner to prove the sort of person you are. I read some of them before.
Now taking revenge on forumers here?
Originally posted by angel7030:
Hmmm...you start to talk sense liao.
I am talking sense all the while, it is you who are here to be insensible, ill mannered, cursing others, talking dirty, distracting discussion and so on.
If you are into taking revenge, mind you others will want to take revenge on you on what you say and behave here. We have more than sufficient forumers know the type of person you are.
hmmm...you have learned alot from me, from IMH to taking medicine, that was what i taught to most of my uncles....give you a C grade ya, smile ya.
Cheers