MM Lee Criticizing Singaporeans

• likeyou

  25 Dec 09, 16:03

  Too cheap labour, family strive to death liao.

  How to compare cheap foreign labour especially sporean who have only pr school education? They are killing those group.

• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 16:07

  singapore engineering graduates demand S$2800.00

  PRC engineering graduates demand S$1800.00 - some even good at bootlicking

  If you are the boss, whom are you going to chose ... ...

• BadzMaro

  25 Dec 09, 16:09

  S1800 and willing to lick my boots.

• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 16:10

  Originally posted by BadzMaro:

  S1800 and willing to lick my boots.

  
  that guy is a shanghi prc

• angel7030

  25 Dec 09, 16:14

  Originally posted by likeyou:

  Too cheap labour, family strive to death liao.

  How to compare cheap foreign labour especially sporean who have only pr school education? They are killing those group.

  
  Singapore pr school educated consitute only 7% of the current workforce, the rest already retired or death, and in next five years, it will be 3% left, and some pri school people are big bosses selling laksa, char kway teow or open pubs and clubs while driving Merc or Jaguar, so dun shit with the pri school educated peoples, they are smart and streetwise people.

  The question here is you want to blame who if you are poor, your education, your life or the govt. If you keep blaming the govt, you will remain poor forever, but if you takes on what govt provide you with Spur and learning hub...and all other goodies, you can be somebody, but i have come across people who dun even want to fill up an application form, and they are so lazy to even submitting a photos or birthcert is a heavy task for them, how are they going to get the goodies such as back to school, transport voucher, NTUC vouchers etc etc .

• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 16:15

  Originally posted by likeyou:

  Too cheap labour, family strive to death liao.

  How to compare cheap foreign labour especially sporean who have only pr school education? They are killing those group.

  Read this

  http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2576542

• likeyou

  25 Dec 09, 16:16

  Originally posted by John Penn:

  singapore engineering graduates demand S$2800.00

  PRC engineering graduates demand S$1800.00 - some even good at bootlicking

  If you are the boss, whom are you going to chose ... ...

  
  Most local manager prefer cheap cheap young young, do multi tasking....can work long long hours....everything must be cheap cheap.

   

• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 16:18

  Originally posted by likeyou:

  
  Most local manager prefer cheap cheap young young, do multi tasking....can work long long hours....everything must be cheap cheap.

   

  
  hi bro,

  just too many foreign aliens flocking here already

  another thing - don't ever talkback or challenge my authority

• likeyou

  25 Dec 09, 16:20

  Yes. Manager say turn left, better turn left. Manager say bend down, better bend down...

• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 16:22

  Originally posted by likeyou:

  Yes. Manager say turn left, better turn left. Manager say bend down, better bend down...

  
  manager - only - yes sir, yes mdm, yes boss - otherwise they "mark" you!

  give you "hell"

• angel7030

  25 Dec 09, 16:23

  Originally posted by John Penn:

  singapore engineering graduates demand S$2800.00

  PRC engineering graduates demand S$1800.00 - some even good at bootlicking

  If you are the boss, whom are you going to chose ... ...

  
  I will take on the Singaporeans, no question about that, train him up and be the lead engineer, as for the shanghai guy, if he is good, he can also climb up the ladder, when customer offer a engineering contract to singapore, bear in mind, they want a Singaporean to lead, Singaporean lead engineer is currently the most wanted peoples in Construction, Marine, oil rigs, repair, Mechanical projects etc etc. And if you are going to get a Shanghainese in to lead, the customer will tell you, i better go china for repair or built it, they expect project offer to Singapore be lead by Singaporeans, remember we are one of the best workforce around, responsibility, fast and good quality. So dun ever think that an employer will take on foreigner engineer, what is $2800 comparing to a few millions dollars project???

  But we simply cannot produce enuf engineers to churn the engineering industrial, you ask most of the young ones like me, they will tell say, yak! i better take up servicing or some mass communication courses...why go get myself dirty and face the oil and sun.

  Out of every 10 engineer from poly and Uni, guess 7 changed their lines, so what choice do engineering companies have here?

• likeyou

  25 Dec 09, 16:24

  Originally posted by John Penn:

  
  manager - only - yes sir, yes mdm, yes boss - otherwise they "mark" you!

  give you "hell"

  
  Sound like manager gana brainwashed during the NS day.

• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 16:25

  Originally posted by likeyou:

  
  Sound like manager gana brainwashed during the NS day.

  
  cos they scare you replace them one of these days

• likeyou

  25 Dec 09, 16:29

  Originally posted by John Penn:

  
  cos they scare you replace them one of these days

  
  They never think that one day, they will be old also and will get a boot out by the management.

   

• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 16:49

  Originally posted by likeyou:

  
  They never think that one day, they will be old also and will get a boot out by the management.

   

  1 example Seagate - all affected

  Seagate moved to Malaysia and Thailand

• likeyou

  25 Dec 09, 17:09

  Originally posted by John Penn:

  1 example Seagate - all affected

  Seagate moved to Malaysia and Thailand

  
  Heard that they always like that. Recruit, then restrench. Recruit then retrench.

  True or not?

• kengkia

  25 Dec 09, 17:11

  Originally posted by Hbbo:

  Did we ever have "job security" in the past?  Remember to mass unemployment in the 60s and the retrenchment exercises in the 70s, 80s and 90s?

  We have a free market/capitalist system in Singapore.  Like all free market economies, jobs are created or lost based on global economic cycle.  Decision to hire or fire rests entirely on companies (who are profit-seeking) and depending on whether you are an asset or a liability to them.  These are the characteristics of a free market/capitalist system. If you want an "Iron Rice Bowl", go live in North Korea.

   

  hello...now dprk's food distribution programme has been effectively dead already, caused by the famine a decade ago, now still can't recover.

• Gattlinggun80

  25 Dec 09, 17:12

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• John Penn

  25 Dec 09, 17:13

  Originally posted by likeyou:

  
  Heard that they always like that. Recruit, then restrench. Recruit then retrench.

  True or not?

  
  all bowl down to after tax p & l

• DouglasBitMeFingerBoomz

  25 Dec 09, 22:35

  I would like to clarify with anyone: This article does not cover the whole PAP party. I personally feel that Since MM Lee is already at such a senior age, there is no reason and right to call him 'PAP' anymore though he used to be. To me, the responses to the article should not be against the PAP, but purely on MM Lee, whom has evidently gone senile and should be removed from any political position as he could cause the country to go into huge disarray as his comments gain more criticsm and anger among the public in Singapore. Cheerios!
• dare82

  25 Dec 09, 23:24

  Originally posted by DouglasBitMeFingerBoomz:

  I would like to clarify with anyone:

  This article does not cover the whole PAP party. I personally feel that Since MM Lee is already at such a senior age, there is no reason and right to call him ‘PAP’ anymore though he used to be. To me, the responses to the article should not be against the PAP, but purely on MM Lee, whom has evidently gone senile and should be removed from any political position as he could cause the country to go into huge disarray as his comments gain more criticsm and anger among the public in Singapore.

  Cheerios!

  
  True! I don't every PAP MP is like this. Only the Lees especially can be very power hungry and money minded.

• donkhead333

  25 Dec 09, 23:40

  Bollocks...if any government decides to dump a huge number foreigners (proportionate to local population) hungry for food and willing to slog their guts out, the local population would definitely feel threatened right..

  Of course it is our problem.. seems to me that a young couple in their twenties are unable to buy a HDB flat without feeling stressed out/loan from parents..and look at the profit margin of HDB - does a flat of approx. 1,100 sq feet command such a high price?

  I know that land is scarce for our population - but the population is only rising due to the influx of foreigners!

  So is it purely our fault that we aren't coping as well as expected? I doubt it.

• John Penn

  26 Dec 09, 06:22

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• John Penn

  26 Dec 09, 06:38

  http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2613307&page=1

  http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2613307&page=2

   

  Thursday, December 24, 2009

  New reason for FTs : S'poreans have become less hard-driving and hard-striving by Diary of A Singaporean Mind

   

  Foreign workers help to create jobs for Singaporeans
  By Dominique Loh, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 02 May 2008 2005 hrs

  SINGAPORE: Instead of accusing foreign workers of taking jobs away from Singaporeans, one company said Singaporeans should be thankful that foreign workers are able to help the country's economy to grow.
  
  This stance coincides with Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's message in his May Day Rally speech on Thursday.
  
  Chinese national Yu Ruo came to Singapore about seven years ago and found a job at manufacturing company, Makino Asia.
  
  With a stable income, he was able to bring his wife to Singapore two years ago, and the couple applied for permanent residency last month.
  
  "First of all, Makino Asia is one of the better known companies in the industry, so this attracted me to come to Singapore and settle here," said Yu.
  
  About 15 percent of Makino Asia's 470 employees are foreign workers. Over the years, 30 percent of them have become permanent residents or Singapore citizens.
  
  Unfortunately, not all Singaporeans welcome foreign workers with open arms.
  
  "For the time being, foreigners are not allowed to work in this market," one Singaporean said.
  
  "Yes, they (foreigners) are stealing our rice bowl. And most of them are using illegal means," another said.
  
  Dr Moh Chong Tau, CEO of Makino Asia, said: "I do not agree. In fact, we should be thankful to them for creating more jobs for us... For jobs that are not taken up by Singaporeans, we get foreigners to occupy those vacancies in order to create more jobs."
  
  He also said Singaporeans who feel their jobs are being taken away by foreigners are short-sighted.
  
  "This group of people should not be fearful about losing low-end jobs to foreign workers. They should take the opportunity to acquire more skills and enhance their revenue and livelihood," he said.
  
  Dr Moh believes Singaporeans should compete with advanced countries where the value of jobs is much higher, which means such jobs also command better wages.
  
  
  - CNA/so

• John Penn

  26 Dec 09, 09:32

  Lee’s remarks draw widespread criticism from Citizens

  December 26, 2009

  Submitted by Navgeet Kohli on Topnews.com

  The alleged callous remarks by Singapore’s octogenarian leader Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew din have not gone down well with netizens who termed his views very disgusting and very uncalled for.

  Interacting with journalist Mark Jacobson during a recent interview with the National Geographic magazine, MM Lee had expressed that he was fully aware of the displeasure of locals over huge influx of migrants who mitigated their chances to bag high paying opportunities.

  Lee reported said, “Over time, Singaporeans have become less hard-driving and hard-striving. This is why it is a good thing that the nation has welcomed so many Chinese immigrants.”

  Temasek Review report on interview received flood of comments from locals with one comment questioned his integrity asking him to replace with Chinese immigrants.

  The National Geographic magazine publishes the interview before a week but it remained a puzzle why the mainstream media remained mum on the issue for so many days. – Topnews.com