Shanmugam: Foreigners generate jobs for Singaporeans
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sees angel as a kid>>>>>small legs,shorts,,white small tiny t-shirt and sad puppy eye look..... .........hmmm.....and not much to eat. how come go until like that??
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i am just a bit over react
that's why
sometimes, have a "little heart" can already
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generate wat job?
Toilet job ar?
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..............even for a rich guy...they seldom do this in spore,,,,,,
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spore is just here to feed the mainly hungry and uneducated people from all over the world.\ sad......at the expense of its own hungry yet educated citizens.
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Giving is a blessing, good for you, if you are hungry, go to temples or attend funnerals, they give free foods.
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angel70, which funeral or mosque u visit every night?
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun80:
angel70,
which funeral or mosque u visit every night?
Mosque? What are you insinuating?
Anyway -- back to the topic -- bring on the foreigners, cos if we complain about it then we are just gutless to fight with them for jobs.
Brutal Truth: If we can't get the job they're holding, then let's face it, we're not good enough. Shape up or ship out. \m/
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Originally posted by I'm back:
Save skilled jobs for locals
Mr Low Thia Khiang (left) urged the Government to state clearly that it will guard the interests of Singaporean workers first. -- ST FILE PHOTO
OPPOSITION leader Low Thia Khiang (Hougang) wants the Government to reserve for Singaporeans some skilled jobs, such as those of safety managers, crane operators and tractor drivers.
He also urged the Government to state clearly that it will guard the interests of Singaporean workers first.
Mr Low was one of five MPs who spoke on Singapore's reliance on foreign labour during Monday's debate on the President's Address.
He said in Mandarin: 'Singaporeans are asking what is the point of being Singaporean.'
Those who have contributed to nation-building resent the fact that as they grow older, they are seen as less tough and more choosy about jobs than foreigners. The Government also gives the impression that it favours foreign talent, he added.
Mr Yeo Guat Kwang (Aljunied GRC) urged bosses in the service sector to hire more Singaporeans, especially retrenched workers who have been retrained for such jobs.
Labour MP Halimah Yacob (Jurong GRC) was typically wary of the foreign worker quota, asking that it be reviewed. 'There are so many foreign workers even in the services sector that Singaporeans are beginning to feel squeezed out.'
She warned that if foreign workers crowded out Singaporeans in a sector, Singaporeans may lose the skills to work in that sector.
Nominated MP Gautam Banerjee, however, urged MPs and bosses to resist the 'nationalistic mindset' of saving jobs for Singaporeans or laying off foreigners first, regardless of merit. 'Getting rid of foreign talent may be an immediate way to improve your bottom line. But it will be disastrous in the long run, especially if it is done indiscriminately,' he warned.
Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_381762.htmlso...they do know what is going on in our minds. I think election is really around the corner.
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Originally posted by mlmersrlosers:
so...they do know what is going on in our minds. I think election is really around the corner.
aiyo, now then you know ar?? -
Originally posted by angel7030:
how can a group of skilled citizens being fed by govt and family takes on a global economy comparing to a group of skill foreigners who had been thru padi field and rubbish life and will fight for every bit of a bread to share for??
Like it or not, I would said, "Singaporeans are overly pampered, and they dun move their butts but expect something to move inorder to change their condition" Personally, when i employ a skill singaporeans, he dun works long, he will job hop here and there, trying to get the best working condition and the fastest way of going up the corporate ladder, most got nothing to loose, because the family dun really need his income, unlike a foreigner, he got a reason to prove his coming here, he has a duty to perform, and he knows he cannot fail, because there is no safety net behind him, no one is helping him, only he can helps himself, he will takes on whatever pays and works given to him.
I agree with you that most gen-Y singaporeans are job hoppers. But instead of criticizing the emerging trend which you dun have power over it, bosses in today's world should be putting more effort in talent retention IMO. But that's difficult to achieve because even the govt could not solve the problem of talent leaving for greener pastures. You cant really blame singaporeans for job hopping. Every individual has his/her own aspirations. If they find that the current job does not satisfy his/her needs, he/she will leave the current company and join the one which can satisfy them more. The same goes to foreigners. They come to singapore because they wanted a better life. Why dont they remain loyal to their jobs in their countries?
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Originally posted by Googooboyy:
Mosque? What are you insinuating?
Anyway -- back to the topic -- bring on the foreigners, cos if we complain about it then we are just gutless to fight with them for jobs.
Brutal Truth: If we can't get the job they're holding, then let's face it, we're not good enough. Shape up or ship out. \m/
I think to be fair to people, it is not that Singaporeans are not fighting for a job, it is the paid wise issue. As an employer, i definitely would like to lower my wage cost, and if a foreigner and Singaporean come for an interview for a particular with the same qualification and working experiences but when come to resume expectation, the foreigner put $1000 and the Singaporean put it $3000, who do you think i will employ.As i would had love to employ the local, my fellow singaporeans, they are know to be the best worker under BERI survey, better quality, more productive and good leadership. But if I would to ask him to lower his expectation to $1500, he will just walk out.
So Your Brutal Truth must also carry some substance in it, we have to look at various issues before we really can pinpoint why our local labour competitive edge is losing ground. First, they demand higher remuneration, because of high cost of living, second, they are more older than foreigner and third, they are more arguemental than a foreigner, which usually displease their superiors.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
I think to be fair to people, it is not that Singaporeans are not fighting for a job, it is the paid wise issue. As an employer, i definitely would like to lower my wage cost, and if a foreigner and Singaporean come for an interview for a particular with the same qualification and working experiences but when come to resume expectation, the foreigner put $1000 and the Singaporean put it $3000, who do you think i will employ.As i would had love to employ the local, my fellow singaporeans, they are know to be the best worker under BERI survey, better quality, more productive and good leadership. But if I would to ask him to lower his expectation to $1500, he will just walk out.
So Your Brutal Truth must also carry some substance in it, we have to look at various issues before we really can pinpoint why our local labour competitive edge is losing ground. First, they demand higher remuneration, because of high cost of living, second, they are more older than foreigner and third, they are more arguemental than a foreigner, which usually displease their superiors.
Simply put, the real issue lies with opening our floodgates too wide.
If USA opened their doors 110% to the Chinese,and allow every Chinese from every province and city to enter their country, this immediately puts a downward pressure on every American's salary.
Have you seen the govt doing that?
That's why I said that, if I were to take away that choice for you (by not allowing you to choose a foreigner), doesn't that make life easier for you?
As I said, in every system, foreigners should be welcomed. They should either be those that performs jobs that the locals do not want to do, or at the very top where there is a gap in talent. Other than that, locals should be hired first and foremost.
In Singapore, it doesn't happen...
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As I said, in every system, foreigners should be welcomed. They should either be those that performs jobs that the locals do not want to do, or at the very top where there is a gap in talent. Other than that, locals should be hired first and foremost.
In Singapore, it doesn't happen...
Nicely put, Soul_rage.
You are the few, together with Atobe, Sevenson101 and freedomclub that I bother to spend my time reading. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
how can a group of skilled citizens being fed by govt and family takes on a global economy comparing to a group of skill foreigners who had been thru padi field and rubbish life and will fight for every bit of a bread to share for??
Like it or not, I would said, "Singaporeans are overly pampered, and they dun move their butts but expect something to move inorder to change their condition" Personally, when i employ a skill singaporeans, he dun works long, he will job hop here and there, trying to get the best working condition and the fastest way of going up the corporate ladder, most got nothing to loose, because the family dun really need his income, unlike a foreigner, he got a reason to prove his coming here, he has a duty to perform, and he knows he cannot fail, because there is no safety net behind him, no one is helping him, only he can helps himself, he will takes on whatever pays and works given to him.
You are asking for loyalty to a company when you are also not loyal to your worker. You will not hesitate to replace workers with cheaper ones. So how can you ask for loyalty, when you yourself cannot offer any?2nd, your statement that "Singaporeans are overly pampered, and they don't move their butts but expect something to move in order to change their condition", and the statement "he will job hop here and there, try to get the best working condition..." are in conflict with one another.
Job hopping requires adapting to a new environment, new expectations, and therefore I don't think you would consider that as "not moving their butts" and being "overly pampered"
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Originally posted by angel7030:
I think to be fair to people, it is not that Singaporeans are not fighting for a job, it is the paid wise issue. As an employer, i definitely would like to lower my wage cost, and if a foreigner and Singaporean come for an interview for a particular with the same qualification and working experiences but when come to resume expectation, the foreigner put $1000 and the Singaporean put it $3000, who do you think i will employ.As i would had love to employ the local, my fellow singaporeans, they are know to be the best worker under BERI survey, better quality, more productive and good leadership. But if I would to ask him to lower his expectation to $1500, he will just walk out.
So Your Brutal Truth must also carry some substance in it, we have to look at various issues before we really can pinpoint why our local labour competitive edge is losing ground. First, they demand higher remuneration, because of high cost of living, second, they are more older than foreigner and third, they are more arguemental than a foreigner, which usually displease their superiors.
As a response to your post, I address mine solely to you, not to impress anyone even if remotely possible, to gain adherents, or anything else, but in open view, with nothing to hide, to present a counter arguement to your points.
I am glad you brought up such an example, and in equal measure, I shall respond in kind to your simple example, but when extrapoliate to the bigger view, more may understand, in the simple way of my usual style, should they even care to read.
Succeeding in the biz world comes with rewards that sets one apart from others with the material gain, so I can understand the employers' point of views. Out of every 100 new registration for companies, only barely 30 succeed past the first 5 years, the rest fold, at times even within the 1st month. Many employers hope to be among the first 30.
Labour is one of the highest component in overall costs. Thus any employer would seek to employ only the cheapest possible, base on first of the list, instead of seeking other creative means to succeed.
BUT, do consider, this is Singapore, an island of stability made possible only by the toil, sweat and blood of our forefathers who survived the japs, the conniving brits and the anticipated starvation by malaysian rulers, and numerous international crisis we survive thru the years. We are not vietnam, racist malaysia, corrupt philipines, slave driven myanmar, etc.
You, as an employer, could realize your dreams only because you are here operating on our shores.
Who is this cheap foreigner?
What had he or his forefathers contributed to our nation building in the past - defence, taxes, social infrastructure and welfare that enable you to become an employer?Nothing. That cheap foreigner came from a country that had failed him, which is why he is begging on our shores. He would sell his soul at any price to get a job, because he needs to survive. But our society owed him nothing.
Our citizen employees, too, like you, have hopes and aspirations in this nation, left by his forefathers to perpertrate the Singaporean dream - peace and prosperity. His forefathers worked hard to enable you and him to live it, and to share it.
Our prosperity came at a cost, called living costs. The citizen employees dont ask for much, only a flat and not a few condos like you, to love,have children, and grow old in peace, in happiness, under the bequethed land of his forefathers he and you shared.
Thus, for him to ask $3000 is not unreasonable, a market rate to compensate for living costs, out of the profits you can easily share by buying one less condo or continental car, or latest Prado handbag for your kid to show off to your employee's kids and look down on them.
But you chosed the foreigner, just because he is 'cheap', and not because he is a talent. The only value add you are looking is your own sefish profits for yourself, at the expense of our fellow citizens. And you had been a fool to give him $1,000, for the rate in his country is only $400, racked by corruption and economic mismanagement, if he even gets a job.
He remits his money back home, helping us to lose our S$ dollar currency,leaving little circulating in the country, live in a rathouse, and after a few years, he will wave you goodbye, if not earlier using you as a stepping stone, while your fellow citizens are left without jobs, without hopes, with nowhere to go, draining resourses and demanding more taxes from you to help them survive on social welfare, eventually dying out and leaving mercenaries in your homeland your forefathers built and had never ever believe it would happen after all the sacrifice they had been through.
You see the problem you are raising just on labour issue alone? Extrapoliate onto the hundreds of thousand SMEs in Singapore hiring dime a dozen cheap foreign labour and you will be seeing an economic disaster in time to come, thanks to you and your kind's selfish desire for wealth at the expense of your fellow citizens.
Everyone seeks money, lots of it for it gives a sense of security, but at the end of your life, do know that you go to the grave empty handed for all the riches you make. Money isnt everything. It is what you do in this life that you will be immortalised or be spat upon for generations to come.
Sometimes, like tonight, after polishing off a bottle of red wine, when emotions well up within me causing weakness to surface, I weep at the needless misery we humans heap upon each other, and wonder why.
We could have utilised and encouraged the full potential of human capital with a more or less equal distribution of wealth, forging a strong middle class like the US and perhaps could already have conquered and lived amongst the stars by improving on our science and tech within a well fed society, instead of struggling on this dying soon planet.
What have we done to each other... to our children whom will inherit from us this world we created...and those yet to come....?
I am only an insignificant nobody. Thanks for spending your time reading, if you reached here. Cheers....
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
As a response to your post, I address mine solely to you, not to impress anyone even if remotely possible, to gain adherents, or anything else, but in open view, with nothing to hide, to present a counter arguement to your points.
I am glad you brought up such an example, and in equal measure, I shall respond in kind to your simple example, but when extrapoliate to the bigger view, more may understand, in the simple way of my usual style, should they even care to read.
Succeeding in the biz world comes with rewards that sets one apart from others with the material gain, so I can understand the employers' point of views. Out of every 100 new registration for companies, only barely 30 succeed past the first 5 years, the rest fold, at times even within the 1st month. Many employers hope to be among the first 30.
Labour is one of the highest component in overall costs. Thus any employer would seek to employ only the cheapest possible, base on first of the list, instead of seeking other creative means to succeed.
BUT, do consider, this is Singapore, an island of stability made possible only by the toil, sweat and blood of our forefathers who survived the japs, the conniving brits and the anticipated starvation by malaysian rulers, and numerous international crisis we survive thru the years. We are not vietnam, racist malaysia, corrupt philipines, slave driven myanmar, etc.
You, as an employer, could realize your dreams only because you are here operating on our shores.
Who is this cheap foreigner?
What had he or his forefathers contributed to our nation building in the past - defence, taxes, social infrastructure and welfare that enable you to become an employer?Nothing. That cheap foreigner came from a country that had failed him, which is why he is begging on our shores. He would sell his soul at any price to get a job, because he needs to survive. But our society owed him nothing.
Our citizen employees, too, like you, have hopes and aspirations in this nation, left by his forefathers to perpertrate the Singaporean dream - peace and prosperity. His forefathers worked hard to enable you and him to live it, and to share it.
Our prosperity came at a cost, called living costs. The citizen employees dont ask for much, only a flat and not a few condos like you, to love,have children, and grow old in peace, in happiness, under the bequethed land of his forefathers he and you shared.
Thus, for him to ask $3000 is not unreasonable, a market rate to compensate for living costs, out of the profits you can easily share by buying one less condo or continental car, or latest Prado handbag for your kid to show off to your employee's kids and look down on them.
But you chosed the foreigner, just because he is 'cheap', and not because he is a talent. The only value add you are looking is your own sefish profits for yourself, at the expense of our fellow citizens. And you had been a fool to give him $1,000, for the rate in his country is only $400, racked by corruption and economic mismanagement, if he even gets a job.
He remits his money back home, helping us to lose our S$ dollar currency,leaving little circulating in the country, live in a rathouse, and after a few years, he will wave you goodbye, if not earlier using you as a stepping stone, while your fellow citizens are left without jobs, without hopes, with nowhere to go, draining resourses and demanding more taxes from you to help them survive on social welfare, eventually dying out and leaving mercenaries in your homeland your forefathers built and had never ever believe it would happen after all the sacrifice they had been through.
You see the problem you are raising just on labour issue alone? Extrapoliate onto the hundreds of thousand SMEs in Singapore hiring dime a dozen cheap foreign labour and you will be seeing an economic disaster in time to come, thanks to you and your kind's selfish desire for wealth at the expense of your fellow citizens.
Everyone seeks money, lots of it for it gives a sense of security, but at the end of your life, do know that you go to the grave empty handed for all the riches you make. Money isnt everything. It is what you do in this life that you will be immortalised or be spat upon for generations to come.
Sometimes, like tonight, after polishing off a bottle of red wine, when emotions well up within me causing weakness to surface, I weep at the needless misery we humans heap upon each other, and wonder why.
We could have utilised and encouraged the full potential of human capital with a more or less equal distribution of wealth, forging a strong middle class like the US and perhaps could already have conquered and lived amongst the stars by improving on our science and tech within a well fed society, instead of struggling on this dying soon planet.
What have we done to each other... to our children whom will inherit from us this world we created...and those yet to come....?
I am only an insignificant nobody. Thanks for spending your time reading, if you reached here. Cheers....
For once, I just would like to comment, it's the same issue I have with angel7030 as you do.
Foreign labour (NOT foreign talent) come here just for a duration of time, to drain us of our resources, and then remit everything back home. They spend very little in Singapore in a bid to save all the $$$ to bring home.
How many times have I heard of an Indian from India keeping as much $$$ as possible in order to bring it back to his motherland?
That employers like angel7030 should not be given a choice to choose cheap labour, coz its natural that a business will look for the lowest cost. Rarely do they consider other aspects of employing a person.
But then again, angel7030 is not a singaporean, so this probably doesn't concern him or her.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
how can a group of skilled citizens being fed by govt and family takes on a global economy comparing to a group of skill foreigners who had been thru padi field and rubbish life and will fight for every bit of a bread to share for??
Like it or not, I would said, "Singaporeans are overly pampered, and they dun move their butts but expect something to move inorder to change their condition" Personally, when i employ a skill singaporeans, he dun works long, he will job hop here and there, trying to get the best working condition and the fastest way of going up the corporate ladder, most got nothing to loose, because the family dun really need his income, unlike a foreigner, he got a reason to prove his coming here, he has a duty to perform, and he knows he cannot fail, because there is no safety net behind him, no one is helping him, only he can helps himself, he will takes on whatever pays and works given to him.
I'd at best partially agree with you, cos u've over-generalised a lot. I dun know you well enough but I gather that you are in the F&B services industry and based things on your specific experience. In my previous life, when I was fresh out of uni and working for an MNC, I've hired and fired service staff as well and can empathise with the employers' difficulties. It is true that the temptation is always there to hire a foreigner (if one can get round the foreign pass issue then). Its amazing what wonders relative pay disparity does for a foreign worker's desire and motivation to work hard.
Some years ago, it was the pay differential between S'poreans and M'sians. Nowadays the gap between what PRC nationals get in China is even greater.
But I feel that peering through rose tinted glasses at this development is dangerous and misses a lot of pertinent points.
Yes, there are Singaporeans who dun work hard (or as hard) and have expectations that are unrealistic but there are also those who could match the foreigners in endeavour and attitude at the same pay! The services industry tends to have a high turnover rate in general but to say that only Singaporeans job hop is fallacious.
I'd caution you to think your foreign employees have any loyalties to you. Many of them treat a couple of years working experience here in Singapore as a mere item on their CV so that they can go back to China to claim they've worked in a developed country. They will quit on you once they've found that higher paying job elsewhere or that comparable thing back home. Hotels in Singapore have faced incredible levels of staff desertions to the IRs - that's lateral job hops and horizontal poaching for you.
I've seen even worse mercenary traits among the more highly skilled & educated foreigners, such as the masters and PhD holders. If they can be attracted to Singapore for the jobs and pay, what makes you think they won't leave S'pore at the drop of a hat when another country (or their home country) offers better prospects?
Hell, if you and your family can take root here to take advantage of the great conditions here for your business, who is to say that you won't take flight and go back to Taiwan tomorrow?
I always say this, when there is war - who are the ones who will stay and fight? I always say that it is only when the bullets start whistling and the bombs start going off that you will see who are the ones who head straight to the airport or ferry terminal. I hasten to add that I quite despise those who claim to have the ready answers. Ppl, let's not even try to say that if your family is here, u'd surely stay and fight. Cos your family may well be the reason that prompts you to wanna pack the family away and leave.
xtreyier is right with his impassioned post you know. Singaporeans have a stronger reason than most foreigners to stay, not a certainty mind, juz a higher propensity. Us men sacrificed 2.5 yrs of our youth to give S'pore the security to base its prosperity on. So that people like yourself can enjoy it. Increasingly the question is being asked, what is the difference between PRs and Singaporeans. Beyond some GST rebates, NS allowances and housing preferences please.
I've been away from Singapore a few years but when I came back recently the change has been amazing. I did not remember the MRT trains being so packed 3-5 yrs ago. I did not remember there being so many PRC nationals in the hawker centres and services industries.
There is a cautionary tale in what has happened in the UK with overly lax/liberal immigration policies too fast too soon.
During the Tony Blair yrs, the UK decided on a wave of unprecedented immigration. The rationale was the exact same developed country syndrome that prompted Singapore to do the same - low birth rates, locals perceived as unwilling to work or work hard, jobs that locals purportedly did not want to take, need to lower labour costs, need to boost population numbers to compensate for emigration outgoings (brain drain).
So many low skilled immigrants came from all over Europe in light of liberal EU travel and free movement of labour laws (no visas required etc), especially the east europeans (Polish especially) that the UK has serious integration problems - racial tensions, crime, social unrest etc. The Polish are quite hated, especially since they do not bother to integrate with the British society - they do not speak or learn English, they stick to their Polish enclaves and communities, they set up their Polish shops, restaurants, print their own Polish newspapers, dun socialise with Brits, have bad manners, can match the worst of the Brits in alcohol and drug addictions, introduced their own Polish mafia etc. The Polish bus drivers who suddenly commandeer most buses are rude, cannot speak to passengers nor answer any questions. The Polish commercial truck and lorry drivers cannot read English road signs nor ask for directions, so they always get lost.
Sounds familiar? The UK has since reversed the immigration policies drastically.
We celebrate all holidays and respect diverse cultures well enough as our own to integrate foreigners better than most countries. We have strict criminal laws to regulate citizens and foreigners alike. We have 4 national languages, so the foreigners seem to be able to speak at least one of them.
We won't have situations like in the UK where East Europeans deliberately migrate to the UK to find the first woman to rape and brutalise on the street so that they can get a life sentence in UK prisons. There they get their own TV set and DVD player, plus free meals everyday without work - much cosier than starvation and unemployment in Poland for instance.
It was a mismanagement of epic proportions which wouldn't happen to Singapore but nevertheless still a timely reminder to beware.
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The intelligence of the resident X-rated Fraud is amazing, and one can only wonder where it finds its inspiration to generate its superfluous flow of hot gas that help its efforts to obfuscate the real issues with its deluded precepts
Originally posted by xtreyier:There's a difference between FOREIGN TALENT AND FOREIGN WORKERS.
1. Every foriegn talent won over by us means more jobs for our citizens. Talents mean people who can solve a company's problems, increase productivity and profits. Otherwise they wont be called talents.
How talented it is to be able to define the "talented foreigner" ?
Is this "talented foreigner" working in Singapore not a "foreign worker" ?
With increased profits and capabilities, companies will be able to expand, thereby creating jobs for fellow citizens, mostly desirous of the mid management levels and work their way up, learning from such talents and taking over the jobs, if not this generation, would be the next.
If "fellow citizens" are "mostly desirous (for) the mid management levels and work their way up, learning from such talents and taking over the jobs" - what will happen to our "local talents" who hold similar qualifications and equal to the "foreign talents" ?
Some of our local talents have studied in the best institutions in the West as have the foreign talents, and some even taking up residences and careers for many years overseas before returning.
Many of our locals more talented - and not in local politics - have spread their wings since the early 1980s before even the PAP Government realised the existence of a "second wing" to make it a catch phrase.
Is the X-rated Fraud claiming that there is not talent enough to even resolve the self-afflicated problems in Singapore and that the local talents are only good enough for mid-level management only ?
I would personally vote to have more talents, even hundreds of thousand of them, and give them citizenship if they pay allegiance to our flag, vow our pledge with honesty and improve our lives.
Vow to our "Pledge" ?
What "Pledge" - when the X-rated Fraud will spell it will a little "p" - and MM LKY had only belittled the "Pledge" as no more then mere 'aspirations' ?
What is the significance of our "Flag" to a X-rated Fraud, when it is spelt with only a mere 'f' that seems to be of a lower status then that given to a X-rated Fraud - spelt with a capital 'F' that it will give to the "FOREIGN TALENT" ?
Can the honesty of the foreign talents be depended on when so many have packed up as suddenly as they came ?
Better the foreign talent works together with us within our shores, than to work AGAINST US, from other shores.
The "zero-sum" game is the by-product of a X-rated Fraud with its pseudo-intellect left to guide its questionable values and standard.
Can Singapore grab all the "foreign talent" to "works together with us within our shores" ?
How many "foreign talent" can Singapore absorb to be able to compete with other countries that compete with us ?
With so many "foreign talent" entering Singapore, where do our "Local Talents" stand or do we have to see our "Local Talents" benefitting foreign countries that end up competing with us ?
With such narrow values and visions that a X-rated Fraud had so skillfully absorbed from its Master, is it any surprise that Singaporeans continue as the generations before indepenence and till this day - providing ourselves as the workforce for the "foreign talent" manning the MNCs that Singapore are so dependent ?
2. Foreign workers, such as E and S pass holders are another issue. It would be understandable for citizens, who are educated to shun certain jobs in the employment market, and rightfully be held by such foreign workers. We do need road sweepers and construction workers for our massive infrastructure project.
What does the X-rated Fraud know about - "Foreign workers, such as E and S pass holders" - to make these "another issue" ?
What "issue" can the X-rated Fraud be deluding itself with ?
Is the X-rated Fraud suggesting these "Foreign workers, such as ‘E-’ (*2) and ‘S Pass’ (*3) holders" will not compete with Singaporeans ?
Are there any jobs that Singaporeans do not want and require the presence of these "E and S Pass holders" to takeover ?
However, there must be a qouta in place, otherwise it may end up foreign workers by the millions flood our shores and take over jobs which could be held by citizens, as they would be willing to settle for lower pay.
Is the X-rated Fraud now assuming its role as a spokesperson for the government - that the purpose of the "Foreign Workers" is to force the pay to be lower ?
Are there any citizens willing to settle for lower pay if there are no circumstances to influences that deliberately depress wages ?
Employers would love such people, but it is not fair to citizens, espacially the older generation who had contributed weallth and children to our society. There is a social price to be paid by employers for the stability that our country offers and that is to hire our workers by increasing their salaries if there is not enough supply to meet employment demand.
Can there be "not enough supply to meet employment demand" ?
Is it not remarkable that the X-rated Fraud will hop from one end of the pole to the other - justifying the existence of "FOREIGN TALENTS AND FOREIGN WORKERS" to depress wages, and will now hypocritically have Employers pay a higher wage to employ ?
What possibly can be the agenda of a X-rated Fraud, or is that a pseudo-intellect at work ?
Their economic theory of fighting competition by hiring cheap workers is flawed. It is the product that must be cheap and good that a company lasts. Labour costs is but only one factor, no doubt of a higher value, in the final product output cost. A lack of foresight, strategies,etc ensures one to be fully dependent solely on cheap labour to compete.
Is the X-rated Fraud repeating its skills at Double-XX itself again - as is its usual self when deluding itself into a state of hot gassed grandeur ?
Perhaps the X-rated Fraud should "have more talents, even hundreds of thousand of them, and give them citizenship" as these will help to create "the product that must be cheap and good that a company lasts".
Many spit on china made products, reasons fully known. Consumers only end up paying more for replacements. More competitors mean more corners will be cut to make money, and ultimately destroys the market for similar product or service and waste crucial resources such as labour, space, and materials.
If "more competitors mean more corners will be cut to make money" - is the soution that the X-rated Fraud offering is to reduce competition by having all "the foreign talent works together with us within our shores, than to work AGAINST US, from other shores" and "have more talents, even hundreds of thousand of them, and give them citizenship" ?
Singapore is only a small island and there is NO way we can offer more space than the current avaliability without causing more social problems with the invasion of low value add foreign workers introduced by irresponsible employers.
Can this be a spark of pseudo-intelligence that arise from the pseudo-intellect coming from a X-rated Fraud ?
Can there be any "invasion of low value add foreign workers introduced by irresponsible employers" when the pseudo-intellect had already insisted that "there must be a qouta in place" ?
Or should we not fear the pseudo-intellect of the X-rated Fraud who "would personally vote to have more talents, even hundreds of thousand of them, and give them citizenship" ?
Cars were a problem in the past as more were buying cars, resulting in gridlocks at traffic points. ERP were then introduced to ease traffic flow. With human, what next, ERP gantries to ease HUMAN flow?
Obviously, the "intellect" of a X-rated Fraud is no more then completely fraudulent - as its pseudo-intellect that has been known for a long while.
In its usual way of making its grand performance - is its suggested "ERP gantries to ease HUMAN flow" any different from the "Quotas" and "Foreign Worker Levies" that are now in place ?
MPs and govt understood this, but it is some cheapo EMPLOYERS who are socially irresponsible, hiding behind govts, crying to them that citizens shun their jobs, and at the same time blaming and pushing the govt for increasing the foreign worker qoutas, when they are out of their biz suits.
Thus the grouse and problem lies with issue (2). This is the clear and present danger posed by irresponsible employers. Whomever can solve this issue with credible and pragmatic solutions gets my vote, guaranteed, regardless if ruling party or opposition.
Just my contribution, for consideration, if anyone so wishes.
Who possibly can be those whom the X-rated Fraud claim to be "some cheapo EMPLOYERS who are socially irresponsible, hiding behind govts, crying to them that citizens shun their jobs, .... " ?
Is the X-rated Fraud being a true pseudo-intellect and slip up with the knowledge that the biggest employer in Singapore is the Singapore Government through the vast number of GLCs - that include all the shipyards that require tens of thousand of cheap foreign workers that flood Singapore ?
The "cheapo EMPLOYERS" are the GLCs who will insist that Singaporeans accept lower pay and shorter employment contracts, while paying their PAP Directors huge millions that help ‘PAP MP pay $6.5 million for unit at luxury condo Marina Bay’ (*4)
Only the cheapo X-rated Fraud with its pseudo-intellect will be stooopid not to know the simplest solution and will display its characteristic fraudulent offer that :-
"Whomever can solve this issue with credible and pragmatic solutions gets my vote, guaranteed, regardless if ruling party or opposition".
It is obvious that the only way is to get rid of all the "cheapo EMPLOYERS" - who are basically the GLCs with the PAP MPs as directors, with no time left to look after the business of Government and to the Constituencies.
It is obvious that the X-rated Fraud is only here to put on another fraudulent display with its pseudo-intellect to further obfuscate the real issues with its hot gas.
The simplest way to get through the hot gassed issues - is to cut through its wall of text and address each and every issue that its pseudo-intellect has built with X-rated Fraudulent skills.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
I think to be fair to people, it is not that Singaporeans are not fighting for a job, it is the paid wise issue. As an employer, i definitely would like to lower my wage cost, and if a foreigner and Singaporean come for an interview for a particular with the same qualification and working experiences but when come to resume expectation, the foreigner put $1000 and the Singaporean put it $3000, who do you think i will employ.As i would had love to employ the local, my fellow singaporeans, they are know to be the best worker under BERI survey, better quality, more productive and good leadership. But if I would to ask him to lower his expectation to $1500, he will just walk out.
So Your Brutal Truth must also carry some substance in it, we have to look at various issues before we really can pinpoint why our local labour competitive edge is losing ground. First, they demand higher remuneration, because of high cost of living, second, they are more older than foreigner and third, they are more arguemental than a foreigner, which usually displease their superiors.
For the Taiwanese 'hum' that is stuck in its flesh trade - with its sly intelligence used to manipulate those weak and desperate foreign women to earn quick money to be sent to their families in their own place of domicile.
How many Singaporeans will participate in the flesh trade of the Taiwanese 'hum' - who will offer low wages to be in its trade.
What can the Taiwanese 'hum' offer as employment to Singaporeans "to lower his expectation to $1500, he will just walk out" ?
Will any Singaporean be as cheapo as a Taiwanese 'hum' to be in the same flesh trade simply to get its orgasmic fix to satsify its needs as an "Attention Seeking Whore" ?
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It is amazing that the X-rated Fraud does not know the limits of its own intellect, and will continue with its hot gassed to delude itself in another grand performance
Originally posted by xtreyier:As a response to your post, I address mine solely to you, not to impress anyone even if remotely possible, to gain adherents, or anything else, but in open view, with nothing to hide, to present a counter arguement to your points.
The fraudulent effort begins almost immediately "not to impress anyone even if remotely possible" but will be immodest not to claim its attempt to impress its besotted Taiwanese 'hum'.
Can the X-rated Fraud be in any position to present "a counter argument" to points raised by the Taiwanese 'hum' - or is this an effort to satisfy the common ‘A.S.S.’ that is common in their roles as "Attention Seeking Whores" ?
I am glad you brought up such an example, and in equal measure, I shall respond in kind to your simple example, but when extrapoliate to the bigger view, more may understand, in the simple way of my usual style, should they even care to read.
Why will the X-rated Fraud with a pseudo-intellect make such great efforts to respond to a "simple example" to achieve its "bigger view" ?
Can it "extrapoliate" anything to a bigger view, when it cannot get a simple spelling right with the correct "extrapolate" ?
Succeeding in the biz world comes with rewards that sets one apart from others with the material gain, so I can understand the employers' point of views. Out of every 100 new registration for companies, only barely 30 succeed past the first 5 years, the rest fold, at times even within the 1st month. Many employers hope to be among the first 30.
The X-rated Fraud must be writing with the experience of failure to know such intimate details that "only barely 30 succeed past the first 5 years, the rest fold, at times even within the 1st month."
Labour is one of the highest component in overall costs. Thus any employer would seek to employ only the cheapest possible, base on first of the list, instead of seeking other creative means to succeed.
It is not a surprise that the X-rated Fraud has expressed its experience so clearly as a failure, when it can only understand that - "Labour is one of the highest component in overall costs".
It is obvious that the X-rated Fraud's failure has been haunted by its inefficient and unimaginative use of labor and sources of labor, and should have learnt at least to switch trade and join the Taiwanese 'hum' in its flesh trade.
BUT, do consider, this is Singapore, an island of stability made possible only by the toil, sweat and blood of our forefathers who survived the japs, the conniving brits and the anticipated starvation by malaysian rulers, and numerous international crisis we survive thru the years. We are not vietnam, racist malaysia, corrupt philipines, slave driven myanmar, etc.
The Stalinist-Autocrat who ruled Singapore for 52 years had collaborated with the murderous "japs, and even connived with the brits" - still Singaporeans survived.
Did the Stalinist-Autocrat "anticipated starvation by malaysian rulers" - when it will deliberately rig a referendum to hoodwink Singaporeans to merge into a bigger Malaysia ?
It is obvious that the X-rated Fraud is letting "its Master's Tail to wag its Dog Body" and will protect its Master's Tail to even white-wash the truth that its Master is a racist besides being a collaborator with "the japs and conniving brits" -
- "Three women were brought to the Singapore General Hospital, each in the same condition and needing a blood transfusion. The first, a Southeast Asian was given the transfusion but died a few hours later. The second, a South Asian was also given a transfusion but died a few days later. The third, an East Asian, was given a transfusion and survived. That is the X factor in development." - 27 December 1967
- "Let us not deceive ourselves: our talent profile is nowhere near that of, say, the Jews or the Japanese in America. The exceptional number of Nobel Prize winners who are Jews is no accident. It is also no accident that a high percentage, sometimes 50%, of faculty members in the top American universities on both the east and west coasts are Jews. And the number of high calibre Japanese academics, professionals, and business executives is out of all proportion to the percentage of Japanese in the total American population." - 1982
- "The Bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 per cent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more ... the Bell curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the results cannot follow." - Lee Kuan Yew, The Man & His Ideas, 1997
- "I started off believing all men were equal. I now know that's the most unlikely thing ever to have been, because millions of years have passed over evolution, people have scattered across the face of this earth, been isolated from each other, developed independently, had different intermixtures between races, peoples, climates, soils... I didn't start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I've come to." - Lee Kuan Yew, The Man & His Ideas, 1997
- "If, for instance, you put in a Malay officer who's very religious and who has family ties in Malaysia in charge of a machine gun unit, that's a very tricky business. We've got to know his background... I'm saying these things because they are real, and if I don't think that, and I think even if today the Prime Minister doesn't think carefully about this, we could have a tragedy." - SM Lee Kuan Yew, Straits Times, September 19, 1999 on Malays in the Singapore Armed Forces
You, as an employer, could realize your dreams only because you are here operating on our shores.
Has the X-rated Fraud decide to recognise that the Taiwanese 'hum' is a foreigner, and is only "here operating on our shores" ?
Who is this cheap foreigner?
What had he or his forefathers contributed to our nation building in the past - defence, taxes, social infrastructure and welfare that enable you to become an employer?Who is the "cheap foreigner" that the resident X-rated Fraud is calling and will dare to compare with those who had "contributed to our nation building in the past - defence, taxes, social infrastructure and welfare" ?
Can the "cheap foreigner" be comparable to our forefathers, who had migrated from their places of domicile to seek their fortunes here, and "contributed to our nation building in the past " ?
Nothing. That cheap foreigner came from a country that had failed him, which is why he is begging on our shores. He would sell his soul at any price to get a job, because he needs to survive. But our society owed him nothing.
If the X-rated Fraud is referring "cheap foreigners" to the likes of the Taiwanese 'hum' - why will it not simply state the obvious - as it not only "would sell (its) soul at any price" but also its body "to get a job in the flesh trade because (it) simply needs to survive".
Our citizen employees, too, like you, have hopes and aspirations in this nation, left by his forefathers to perpertrate the Singaporean dream - peace and prosperity. His forefathers worked hard to enable you and him to live it, and to share it.
"His" forefathers ? What about those families without sons and have only girls ?
Are the forefathers of girls no t qualified to be considered by the pseudo-intellect in the X-rated Fraud ?
Is 'the Singapore dream' a negative event that require the Singapore forefathers to "perpertrate" or to "perpetrate" the Dream ?
Our prosperity came at a cost, called living costs. The citizen employees dont ask for much, only a flat and not a few condos like you, to love,have children, and grow old in peace, in happiness, under the bequethed land of his forefathers he and you shared.
The pseudo-intellect will surely limit its intelligence to the statement that - "Our prosperity came at a cost, called living costs" - as it cannot even handle more then one cost at any one time.
It is obvious that the X-rated Fraud handicapped by its remarkable pseudo-intellect will envy the ability of the Taiwanese 'hum' - as it is impotent to achieve anything more that creating its hot gas to delude its self-importance to make its habitual grand performance to its deluded wider audience.
Thus, for him to ask $3000 is not unreasonable, a market rate to compensate for living costs, out of the profits you can easily share by buying one less condo or continental car, or latest Prado handbag for your kid to show off to your employee's kids and look down on them.
If asking for $3000 is not unreasonable - a market to compensate for living costs, which "cheapo Foreign Worker" is the X-rated Fraud referring to - when it will again Double-XX itself to "personally vote to have more talents, even hundreds of thousand of them, and give them citizenship" ?
Would these be the "Foreign workers, such as E and S pass holders" - who it tried to obfuscate the real issues that these will take the jobs that are not wanted by qualified Singaporeans ?
Are these "Foreign workers, such as E and S pass holders" - the "cheapo Foreign Worker" that the X-rated Fraud is alluding to with its own mixed up delusions ?
But you chosed the foreigner, just because he is 'cheap', and not because he is a talent. The only value add you are looking is your own sefish profits for yourself, at the expense of our fellow citizens. And you had been a fool to give him $1,000, for the rate in his country is only $400, racked by corruption and economic mismanagement, if he even gets a job.
Can the 'flesh trade' that the Taiwanese 'hum' chose as its business find anyone in Singapore to work with the 'hum' ?
Perhaps the X-rated Fraud is secretly one of the local workers offering its 'quack' service in the flesh trade managed by the Taiwanese 'hum' ?
He remits his money back home, helping us to lose our S$ dollar currency,leaving little circulating in the country, live in a rathouse, and after a few years, he will wave you goodbye, if not earlier using you as a stepping stone, while your fellow citizens are left without jobs, without hopes, with nowhere to go, draining resourses and demanding more taxes from you to help them survive on social welfare, eventually dying out and leaving mercenaries in your homeland your forefathers built and had never ever believe it would happen after all the sacrifice they had been through.
Did the X-rated Fraud forget that the "cheapo foreign workers" are in Singapore by the tens of thousands - to support the various GLCs so as to allow the GLCs to have the "increased profits and capabilities, companies will be able to expand, thereby creating jobs for fellow citizens" ?
Obviously the X-rated Fraud must be high on its hot gas to believe that "social welfare" exist in Singapore to help anyone that is jobless ?
In this convulted paragraph, the X-rated Fraud is at its best to obfuscate a simple issue that clearly displayed its immense pseudo-intellect - if it proves nothing more.
You see the problem you are raising just on labour issue alone? Extrapoliate onto the hundreds of thousand SMEs in Singapore hiring dime a dozen cheap foreign labour and you will be seeing an economic disaster in time to come, thanks to you and your kind's selfish desire for wealth at the expense of your fellow citizens.
Was the Taiwanese 'hum' alone guilty of the "raising just on labour issue alone" - or did the X-rated Fraud conveniently lost its memory to its own statement that - "Labour is one of the highest component in overall costs". " ?
Everyone seeks money, lots of it for it gives a sense of security, but at the end of your life, do know that you go to the grave empty handed for all the riches you make. Money isnt everything. It is what you do in this life that you will be immortalised or be spat upon for generations to come.
Here again, the X-rated Fraud is at its best when it is inspired by its hallucination to believe in its own greatness - with the hot gas that it breathes, when others need only oxygen to see no need to state the obvious.
Obviously, to an ignoramus, the obvious cannot be so obvious.
Sometimes, like tonight, after polishing off a bottle of red wine, when emotions well up within me causing weakness to surface, I weep at the needless misery we humans heap upon each other, and wonder why.
Can a pathetic X-rated Fraud know anything about human misery - when it will allow objectivity to be clouded by its already pseudo-intellect, to be made worst by its loud claims made with false bravado in "polishing off a bottle of red wine, when emotions well up within" itself - "causing weakness to surface" - that show its true impotence ?
All it can do is to weep crocodile tears at its determined efforts to delude itself with its false abilities that end up only to deceitfully conceal its pseudo-intellect that do not help in seeing the real picture of what Singapore is facing.
We could have utilised and encouraged the full potential of human capital with a more or less equal distribution of wealth, forging a strong middle class like the US and perhaps could already have conquered and lived amongst the stars by improving on our science and tech within a well fed society, instead of struggling on this dying soon planet.
Has "the full potential of human capital" been utilised to lead to "a more or less equal distribution of wealth" - or has there been a disparate widening of the income gap that lead to the Stalinist-Autocrat to admit that "social divide is inevitable" ?
It is amazing that the X-rated Fraud seems to be living in a different planet that allow it to survive on its own hot gas.
What have we done to each other... to our children whom will inherit from us this world we created...and those yet to come....?
Can there be any children for the X-rated Fraud with a pseudo-intellect that had already displayed its own impotence to handle any issues ?
I am only an insignificant nobody. Thanks for spending your time reading, if you reached here. Cheers....
What is the worth of this Wall of Text written by "an insignificant nobody" ?
Afterall, this wall of text had set out not to impress anyone, and when actually been thoroughly dissected into the various parts, the whole text is no more then an unimpressive cloud of hot gas ?
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Can we employ the foreigners to replace the expensive ministers who are not even able to solve a simple flooding problem since 2006 ?
If they are not cheaper, better and faster, they should move on.
This is the standard preached by them.
So, they should practised what they preached.
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job creations by importing foreigners only thru by means of creating domestics demand....and usually these are secondary jobs nevertheless fill by less skill or required lesser education workforce ....(although there are certification thru non accademic channel)
But in our case SG has brought in less educated workforce to fill this gap than it displace off citizens opportunities...
job creation by means of FDI or expanding of dometics organization have better impact for citizens. These are not because of cost but rather a talent or knowledge that is required to aid in business expansion....but more so these are structure expansion for a more sustaindable growth job for population.
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:
I'd at best partially agree with you, cos u've over-generalised a lot. I dun know you well enough but I gather that you are in the F&B services industry and based things on your specific experience. In my previous life, when I was fresh out of uni and working for an MNC, I've hired and fired service staff as well and can empathise with the employers' difficulties. It is true that the temptation is always there to hire a foreigner (if one can get round the foreign pass issue then). Its amazing what wonders relative pay disparity does for a foreign worker's desire and motivation to work hard.
Some years ago, it was the pay differential between S'poreans and M'sians. Nowadays the gap between what PRC nationals get in China is even greater.
But I feel that peering through rose tinted glasses at this development is dangerous and misses a lot of pertinent points.
Yes, there are Singaporeans who dun work hard (or as hard) and have expectations that are unrealistic but there are also those who could match the foreigners in endeavour and attitude at the same pay! The services industry tends to have a high turnover rate in general but to say that only Singaporeans job hop is fallacious.
I'd caution you to think your foreign employees have any loyalties to you. Many of them treat a couple of years working experience here in Singapore as a mere item on their CV so that they can go back to China to claim they've worked in a developed country. They will quit on you once they've found that higher paying job elsewhere or that comparable thing back home. Hotels in Singapore have faced incredible levels of staff desertions to the IRs - that's lateral job hops and horizontal poaching for you.
I've seen even worse mercenary traits among the more highly skilled & educated foreigners, such as the masters and PhD holders. If they can be attracted to Singapore for the jobs and pay, what makes you think they won't leave S'pore at the drop of a hat when another country (or their home country) offers better prospects?
Hell, if you and your family can take root here to take advantage of the great conditions here for your business, who is to say that you won't take flight and go back to Taiwan tomorrow?
I always say this, when there is war - who are the ones who will stay and fight? I always say that it is only when the bullets start whistling and the bombs start going off that you will see who are the ones who head straight to the airport or ferry terminal. I hasten to add that I quite despise those who claim to have the ready answers. Ppl, let's not even try to say that if your family is here, u'd surely stay and fight. Cos your family may well be the reason that prompts you to wanna pack the family away and leave.
xtreyier is right with his impassioned post you know. Singaporeans have a stronger reason than most foreigners to stay, not a certainty mind, juz a higher propensity. Us men sacrificed 2.5 yrs of our youth to give S'pore the security to base its prosperity on. So that people like yourself can enjoy it. Increasingly the question is being asked, what is the difference between PRs and Singaporeans. Beyond some GST rebates, NS allowances and housing preferences please.
I've been away from Singapore a few years but when I came back recently the change has been amazing. I did not remember the MRT trains being so packed 3-5 yrs ago. I did not remember there being so many PRC nationals in the hawker centres and services industries.
There is a cautionary tale in what has happened in the UK with overly lax/liberal immigration policies too fast too soon.
During the Tony Blair yrs, the UK decided on a wave of unprecedented immigration. The rationale was the exact same developed country syndrome that prompted Singapore to do the same - low birth rates, locals perceived as unwilling to work or work hard, jobs that locals purportedly did not want to take, need to lower labour costs, need to boost population numbers to compensate for emigration outgoings (brain drain).
So many low skilled immigrants came from all over Europe in light of liberal EU travel and free movement of labour laws (no visas required etc), especially the east europeans (Polish especially) that the UK has serious integration problems - racial tensions, crime, social unrest etc. The Polish are quite hated, especially since they do not bother to integrate with the British society - they do not speak or learn English, they stick to their Polish enclaves and communities, they set up their Polish shops, restaurants, print their own Polish newspapers, dun socialise with Brits, have bad manners, can match the worst of the Brits in alcohol and drug addictions, introduced their own Polish mafia etc. The Polish bus drivers who suddenly commandeer most buses are rude, cannot speak to passengers nor answer any questions. The Polish commercial truck and lorry drivers cannot read English road signs nor ask for directions, so they always get lost.
Sounds familiar? The UK has since reversed the immigration policies drastically.
We celebrate all holidays and respect diverse cultures well enough as our own to integrate foreigners better than most countries. We have strict criminal laws to regulate citizens and foreigners alike. We have 4 national languages, so the foreigners seem to be able to speak at least one of them.
We won't have situations like in the UK where East Europeans deliberately migrate to the UK to find the first woman to rape and brutalise on the street so that they can get a life sentence in UK prisons. There they get their own TV set and DVD player, plus free meals everyday without work - much cosier than starvation and unemployment in Poland for instance.
It was a mismanagement of epic proportions which wouldn't happen to Singapore but nevertheless still a timely reminder to beware.
With no doubts, some foreigners are taking this pad as a stepping stones, but as an employer, we need to reward the those who are good, even if he step out and move on to work in other or his own country, to me, we had helped the world in training someone, same goes to UK, Aussie and other western matured economy, they had training so many Asians and even the world, so to speak, from unskill to skill, from managers to entrepreneurs, from technician to Engineers, because they understand that for the world to move on, we must be selfish, we must move on together, today, we may train and nurture a PRC gal working as a bartender in one of my pub, a permit holder, i sponsor her to study english and service skill courses at the migrant centre created by learning of NTUC, she is ambitious, she already told me, she is going for Shatec diploma and hope end up be a PR of Singapore and remain a citizen of China, thereby giving her more opportunities to from both side. As a boss, i would had stop sponsoring here or even dun care about here, permit end, send back, but my Dad enlighted me. We give for the better of the world tomorrow, when he was doing his study in Australia, he worked as a partime waiter, and people there taught him how to serve and all, tho they knew that he is only temporary, they still taught him, and now he opens pubs in Singapore, and doing wines business with the Aussies, because he know aussie well, he is connected there, and for those Aussies who taught him wine brand, taste and servicing standard, in one way or the other, if you look at it, they are been paid now, as their decendents got jobs to do, and maybe a few of them is working with my Dad.
That is one part that i love the western culture, they tends to give out their technology and skills so as to have a better living for all, unlike our oriental kind of thinking, abit selfish indeed, even how cook a nice prawn noodle also dun wan to teach completely to his most loyal disciple.
Coming back to the PRC gal, if one day, she become successful in China, opens pub like we do here, and when customers in her pub is coming to visit Singapore, she may recommend our pubs to them, and that is where we gained.
Just like many Singaporeans asked me why we need to give so much scholarships to foreigners, especially the Chinese and Indian from china and india?? the reason is the same as above, whether they are loyal to us or not, or whether they are going to be citizens here or not, is not an issue, but govt hope that in near future, those singapoeans studying with them and become bosses or MD or CEO, met their counterpart in China or India turns out to be their old classmate, that will be pay day time. And also, being trained here, Foreigners returning to their homeland to seek better future will have think of Singapore and we hope that they think of doing business with Singapore. Just like a Singaporeans going overseas to work, train and study, they will have a feeling for that particular for the rest of their life, and you clearly also have that in mind.