‘We migrated to spare our kid further misery with Chinese’
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Originally posted by angel3070:
What do you mean?
Try speaking shanghainese to a hokkien. or cantonese to a hainanese. -
Is it weird in the future we will be learning more abt our own culture in inthe west than here? it's really twilight zone
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Try speaking shanghainese to a hokkien. or cantonese to a hainanese.What do you mean?
China north and south still united wah. Got breaking apart meh?
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Originally posted by Catknight:
It is all due to Lee Kuan Yew and his fucking policies.
Why you scared of mentioning Lee Kuan Yew?
Poor Lee Kuan Yew.
Ang moh see him as a dog, local dialect chinese also see him as a dog.
He wants chinese to be trained in english, become dogs like him.
Go england they see you as dog, go china they still see you as dogs.
Fuck you lah Lee Kuan Yew.
We are dialect chinese from southern china, not fucking dogs like yourself.
You are born a dog, too bad, don't go and corrupt us dialect chinese to go and be dog like you.
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I think angela can speak dialect if she wants to learn....angmoh girl see the value of our culture why not us?
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Poor Kuan Yew, he's got no where to go man.
Everywhere he goes he is a dog. Neither here or there.
No identity no nothing.
Just a lost stray dog.
I can't join the english man, I can speak english but my skin is not white, I can't join the chinese man, my skin is yellow but I can't speak dialect or mandarin for fuck sake.
I am nothing.
No where to go.
No identity, no belonging, no nothing.
How?
Is my name Harry Lee or Lee Kuan Yew?
I also don't know.
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I really don't think it was a bad idea getting people to pick up English as a primary language. Truth is, there are 4 ethnicities to consider here. There is a need to get people to communicate and trade using the same language otherwise you'd have four high segmented people groups. The world was also using English as lingua franca, there was no avoiding it at all.
There's been lots of studies on language and democracy, and its been accepted that a common language is very important to collective and cohesive political discourse. Otherwise, each people group will only consider and debate in context of their own race and interests. The issue of a common language hasn't changed even til today. The EU faces this very problem where there is some 11 languages dispersed among some 370 million people.
Speaking English isn't about becoming English. Its about being able to communicate and trade with the rest of the world.
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very sad for tat article
no doubt the system then was too rigid, but your're a Chinese but you can't speak or write Chinese. Something isn't right
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
I really don't think it was a bad idea getting people to pick up English as a primary language. Truth is, there are 4 ethnicities to consider here. There is a need to get people to communicate and trade using the same language otherwise you'd have four high segmented people groups. The world was also using English as lingua franca, there was no avoiding it at all.
My view on this issue is a bit different.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
but your're a Chinese but you can't speak or write Chinese. Something isn't right
That is due to Lee Kuan Yew.
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Originally posted by angel3070:
What do you mean?
China north and south still united wah. Got breaking apart meh?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Try speaking a dialect to someone who don't understand that dialect.That's like speaking english to dialect chinese.
James Puthucheary, who was in charge of PAP publicity for the elections recalled the first rally held in a remote Chinese village.
“Toh Chin Chye spoke first, in English! No response from the crowd. Ong Eng Guan was next, in Hokkien, but not very good. The crowd was restless. Then, Chin Siong stood up. He was brilliant and the crowd was spellbound.”
http://singaporegovt.blogspot.com/2006/07/history-of-pap-part-iv-lim-chin-siong_06.html
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SG will end up a cultural desert but at least in Las vegas casino desert you have more freedom and fun
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I feel that a certain newspaper is doing propaganda again by publishing that letter to strengthen an argument.
The phrase "Chinese language lesson" could very easily be substituted with "Physics" or "Maths" or any other subjects which a child is struggling and which he find to be torturous.
Almost everyone during their schooldays would have a favourite subject, and a least liked subject.
Almost everyone also would have a memory of a favourite teacher, and a least liked teacher.
Nothing speacial or extraordinary about it.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Whether people want to learn or is not interested to learn is their own farking business and no cursed despot with a zombie wife has the right to tell people how to live their lives and to make their lives miserable.
Thats right....the only way a nation is strong when its people get to choose or do what their strength or interest lies....not being told by some old man or being in a social engineering project.....
Why are we being a mice in a lap? we were there once in the 70s why do we subject ourselves in the 2---- all over again????
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Originally posted by sbst275:
very sad for tat article
no doubt the system then was too rigid, but your're a Chinese but you can't speak or write Chinese. Something isn't right
Do you honestly think that Chinese in PRC know how to speak and write Mandarin???
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That;s why people migrate fed up liao no need to talk so much english educated or chinese educated all under matirx lah
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Lets put it this way... We are all online and sharing views in English right? It would have been hard to have to share views amongst many different languages if we all type in our own languages. ie, Chinese, Melayu, Hindi/Tamil, and whatever the 'others' languages are.
And if we all didn't read English, people would only be able to read blogs from rather organized parties that do translations. But what about 'independents' like Gopalan Nair etc?
Being bilingual isn't a bad thing. Probably analogous to having both a bike and car license. The problem was how they tried to get people to learn Chinese. The system sucked to the core and I can attest to it. I absolutely hated learning Chinese when I was in primary n secondary school. The system of learning was just lousy, and the teachers largely didn't care to feedback how bad it was maybe cos they were afraid their CEPs would drop.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Do you honestly think that Chinese in PRC know how to speak and write Mandarin???
we cannot compare tis matter w/ PRC. In some sense, we're more connected to the world incl e WestSo it's more impt for us to juggle English & our mother tongue seriously
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Originally posted by angel3070:
That is due to Lee Kuan Yew.
learning English is bo bian, it's our only way to survive else how are we going to communicate at workplace w/ those attached in MNC staff should they invest here? -
Originally posted by sbst275:
learning English is bo bian, it's our only way to survive else how are we going to communicate at workplace w/ those attached in MNC staff should they invest here?I think that is PAP propaganda.
Look at Taiwan, look at korea, look at japan.
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Originally posted by 4sg:
Back to the topic. Mrs Tan wasn't talking about the system's giving or not giving a person an easy way out. She had a point.
The Chinese is a very diversed group of people. Besides, Singapore had been under British ruled for 150 years. While many Chinese claim to be third or foruth generation Singaporeans, there are Chinese people out here who had been here generations, maybe more than fourht generation. Chinese language and culture is remote to this group of people."Still, she felt that the teaching style could have been less harsh, and the bilingual policy more flexible, to suit various types of students. ‘We definitely wouldn’t have migrated if the situation had been different,"
She nailed the problem on the head. Drilling, memory work, rote learning just to understand our ancient culture (not even modern culture here). AT WHAT PRICE?In other words, once again, the education system in our country is proven to be made of fail.
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Originally posted by 4sg:
He was a destroyer and builder, playing god.
He once scorned Mao by saying "Mao's work on China is like painting on mosaic. When the rain comes, it washes the paint away."
I can't help smiling in agreement with him.Hmmm...LKY scorned Mao's doing in China was a prove that he was intelligent back then.But now,he keep cork-sucking communist China,even when they do wrong things.
I cant help smiling at his stupidity.Anti-communist then,pro communist now?Haha...LKY has no firm belief,thats make him a failure n make Singaporeans deserted him n his country!!!
And also,4sg,u should say LKY is a builder n destroyer.Builder back then,destroyer now.
And yes,LKY likes playing as god.This attention seeking w-hore do enjoy doing such meaningless thing,LOL!!!!
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Originally posted by Howlheje:
Builder back then,destroyer now.
He was a massive destroyer back then also.
Destroyed trade unions, destroyed chinese schools, destroyed free press, destroyed left wing movement, destroyed civil society, destroyed kampong communities, destroyed local culture etc.
Basically destroyed the entire soul and life of Singapore.
He is the greatest devil and bastard figure in Singapore history.
The bastard of bastards, destroyer of destroyers.