LKY’s speech in US draws flak online in China
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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/i...nline-in-china
LKY’s speech in US draws flak online in China
BEIJING, Nov 3 — Singapore’s Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew’s comments that the United States should remain engaged in East Asia have drawn criticism on the website of a state-owned newspaper in China.
The Chinese-language Global Times, a sister publication of the flagship People’s Daily noted for its international coverage, said it reported on Sunday a speech Lee made in Washington last week, and within hours, it claimed to have received more than 500 comments online.
In his keynote address delivered at the US-Asean Business Council’s 25th anniversary gala dinner last Thursday in Washington, Lee said the US should remain engaged in Asia. “The size of China makes it impossible for the rest of Asia, including Japan and India, to match it in weight and capacity in about 20 to 30 years. So we need America to strike a balance.”
He also warned Washington that it risked losing its global leadership if it did not remain engaged in Asia.
Lee was conferred a lifetime achievement award for helping to foster US-Asean relations at the dinner last week.
Many of those who responded were upset and said that Lee had treated the Chinese as outsiders although they had treated Singaporeans as “among their own”.
“Lee Kuan Yew spoke for the feeling of those in the West who fear China’s rise would harm their vested interests,” said one netizen.
Another described Lee as “a political animal”, saying that while he “relies on China to develop his country’s economy, he is ushering wolves here to deal with China”.
A third posting said: “Just because he has achieved some success in Singapore, he dares to play the guiding light that shows US the way. If he has the stuff, he should go to Africa and offer tips on how to shake off poverty and achieve wealth.”
Another posting brushed off his comments as insignificant as Singapore was a small country.
“Lee Kuan Yew had made such comments likely because Singapore is a small country that needs an interplay of balances in the international arena,” said the netizen.
“However, what significance do his words carry when the reality is that for a voice to be heard and the views realised, one needs to be truly powerful,” the netizen asked.- singapore news alternative -
This is classic, in the past his son went over to Taiwan and made some comments which infuriated the PRCs; subsequently he made another visit to China and made another comment which infuriated the Taiwanese.
Don't these people with their multi-million dollar salaries know anything about diplomacy? And this is the person which Henry Kissinger claimed he learnt alot from? Don't tell me he is learning from their idiocy? Maybe father and son should read Henry Kissinger's book on Diplomacy.
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Either of them gaining dominance is bad for us. We can only profit when there's a balance between China and US in the region.
I won't call their actions idiotic, but rather more of desperate.
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Yes.....we need to balance the power between China and Taiwan too, either one gaining dominance is bad for us.
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The true elitist talent of a parochial leader can only be seen when it exercise its talent on the World Stage.
LKY has failed by a far measure as he had never been known to be diplomatic even in the early days in politics during the 1960s - as seen when he refused to step down from his plane after it landed in Kenya.
Basking in the shower of accolades when receiving the "Life-time award" - MM LKY must have gotten soft in the head and called for US continued engagement in East Asia even as it is in a theatre outside his own turf.
It would have sounded more neutral and more becoming of MM LKY to seek US engagement in Asia - and not only East Asia - which would have been appropriate response to the the US claim of seeing the power of LKY's intellect that "led millions in Asia to prosperity".
Did MM LKY "lead millions in Asia to prosperity" as stated in the various testimonies from past US politial realities ?
It seems that only those in Asia knows more about the truth then the Americans who pass judgment so quicky on first impressions.
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If we look at the history of Lee Kuan Yew, he has always served the interests of the west.
He is basically a dog of the west.
Actually he was trained from young to be an anglo dog.
This is completely true. He studied in english school when young and he was brainwashed from there to serve the british empire. His father worked for the british and was pro-british.
Lee Kuan Yew or Harry Lee is not chinese but peranakan.
He is not chinese.
Of course later when Harry joined politics he had to pretend to be anti-british otherwise the people won't follow him.
But after he secured power he showed his real face - that he was a british dog.
He suppressed the culture of the dialect chinese which he feared and imposed english and tried to westernise Singapore society so that he could secure his power.
Some naive people still harbour illusions about this old dog of the british.
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Serving British interests
"Now, from all the already released records in London as well as other historical researches, it is clear that in launching Operation Cold Store, Lee Kuan Yew was serving the then strategic interests of Britain which wanted Singapore to continue to provide a forward military base in Southeast Asia," said Lim.
"It is also now an undeniable fact that Lee worked earlier for the Japanese military during the Occupation making Britain's English materials available in Japanese-language for the occupiers," he added.
Lim was a graduate of Singapore's prestigious Raffles College and a medical doctor trained in University of Malaya, which was then located in Singapore.
"I was also a founder of University of Malaya's Socialist Club which became the cradle for many politicians and intellectuals in both Malaysia and Singapore who fought for independence," he recalled with a sense of pride.
"In those days, anti-colonialism was a very powerful and popular sentiment even in Singapore … I helped found the People's Action Party (PAP) to fight for the freedom of Singapore from British rule and to reunite it with Peninsula to form an united, non-communal and progressive Malaya but when Lee turned right wing and started serving British interests, the party split and I left to join the Socialist Front," he explained.
"We certainly opposed to Singapore being maintained as a military base for Britain and that was why Lee had to crush the Left in Singapore at all cost … The Left in Singapore also opposed to the 1963 merger because we thought it was an opportunistic adventure on the part of Lee who wanted to exploit Tunku Abdul Rahman's anti-communism to suppress the Left in Singapore … we wanted merger but not in the 1963 version which proved to be an utter failure just two years later in 1965.
"I was completely English-educated," stressed Lim, which was obviously a sarcastic and subtle rebuttal to the now stereotyped and widespread notion that the Left in Singapore in the 1950s and 1960s was a "Chinese-educated" phenomenon.http://singabloodypore.rsfblog.org/archive/2007/07/11/lim-hock-siew-to-pen-memoirs.html
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So, in the history of Singapore, the dialect chinese has always had this anglo bastard Harry Lee to oppose and stifle them.
That is the reason why the younger generation dialect culture has been weakened.
It is all due to Lee Kuan Yew.
Some naive chinese people still go and support this bastard. Some even think that he is chinese and serve chinese interests.
Ludicrous.
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We also study in english schoo also !!
but we use singlish.....
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such is the great far sightedness of this man who is able to see far ahead as in 10, 20 years from now in a macro analytic way.
never a person to shy away from criticism, he prefers to address the nascent problems in the bud before they spiral out of control. It takes real guts to bring them out into the open but in the process drawing flaks from many...but only to be proven right time and time again....
such is the wisdom of this man, in the name of progress for his people, for the world and for peace.
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He is after all, just a cursed despot with a zombie wife....
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Originally posted by Bentsb05:
such is the great far sightedness of this man who is able to see far ahead as in 10, 20 years from now in a macro analytic way.
He is good in losing billions in investments. That is an example of his farsightedness.
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How far sighted is a man who indoctrinated us with "Two is Enough" 20-30 years ago only to recant his policy now?
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Originally posted by Bentsb05:
such is the great far sightedness of this man who is able to see far ahead as in 10, 20 years from now in a macro analytic way.
never a person to shy away from criticism, he prefers to address the nascent problems in the bud before they spiral out of control. It takes real guts to bring them out into the open but in the process drawing flaks from many...but only to be proven right time and time again....
such is the wisdom of this man, in the name of progress for his people, for the world and for peace.
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Here is another good example of Lee Kuan Yew's farsightedness at work:
MM Lee says Singapore at centre of world’s highest growth region
February 12, 2008
Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew believed Asia will not go into recession, citing not only strong growth in China and India, but also the strength of commodity prices boosting growth in Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia.
Speaking to some 1,200 people at the Tanjong Pagar Lunar New Year dinner on Monday night, Mr Lee said Singapore is at the centre of the world’s highest growth region, and is in a period of steady growth.
Mr Lee is also positive that Singapore can maximise its chances to reach a higher quality of development in the coming five to ten years.
“This is quite remarkable, for it will be the first time that when the American economy slows down and reduce imports from Asia, Asia will not go into recession. The reason is the dynamics of the domestic growth momentum in China and in India – two very huge countries. Furthermore, our neighbours are doing well. Singapore is in the centre of the world’s highest growth region,” he said.
While some may be lamenting the financial crisis, Mr Lee said he sees a blessing as property prices have cooled down for the time being.
He added that Singapore’s Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (GIC) and Temasek have also been able to increase the value of their assets, especially during such downturns.
The two companies recently invested some S$22 billion into UBS, Citigroup and Merrill-Lynch.
“When the share prices of these banks recover (the) S$22 billion investments, it will be worth S$50 to S$70 billion. But never believe that assets will always go up. There will be downturns. And so we must have these reserves to see us through these troughs. Singapore has got to this level through hard work and thrift. We must continue in this mode,” Mr Lee pointed out.
On the home front, Mr Lee said higher food and energy prices, and a widening income gap are cause for concern and must be addressed.
He also said that while there are massive investments, such as the Marina Barrage, to develop Singapore into a global city, those living in the heartland housing estates will not be left behind.
All estates will be upgraded and beautified to ensure all Singaporeans can benefit from the growth, Mr Lee added. – CNA/ac
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Lee Kuan Yew Feb 2008:
On the home front, Mr Lee said higher food and energy prices, and a widening income gap are cause for concern and must be addressed.
He also said that while there are massive investments, such as the Marina Barrage, to develop Singapore into a global city, those living in the heartland housing estates will not be left behind.
All estates will be upgraded and beautified to ensure all Singaporeans can benefit from the growth, Mr Lee added. – CNA/ac
Lee Kuan Yew Oct 2009:
In response to a question by a SMU student on what Singapore could do to help its bottom 20 per cent, MM Lee answered that Singapore’s approach has been to create as many jobs as possible, while leaving the market to decide the right type of pay.
“Never mind your Gini coefficient. If you don’t have a job you get zero against those with jobs. So our first priority is jobs for everybody,” he said.
The Gini coefficient measures the income distribution across a country and is often used as gauge of the income gap.
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/10/21/mm-lee-never-mind-the-gini-coefficient/comment-page-4/
You see, when it comes to Lee Kuan Yew, only fools will go and believe him.
Bentsb05, I trust that you are not a fool.
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I think lky has valid point there.
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Originally posted by Bentsb05:
such is the great far sightedness of this man who is able to see far ahead as in 10, 20 years from now in a macro analytic way.
never a person to shy away from criticism, he prefers to address the nascent problems in the bud before they spiral out of control. It takes real guts to bring them out into the open but in the process drawing flaks from many...but only to be proven right time and time again....
such is the wisdom of this man, in the name of progress for his people, for the world and for peace.
If he had given sufficient consideration to those who knew better than himself - the Malayan politics of the 1950s and 60s - he would not have gone out of his way to fix a Referendum to fulfill his own vain ambitions of merging Singapore with Malaysia.If he had the vision "to see far ahead as in 10, 20 years from now in a macro analytic way" as claimed - would Singapore have been straddled by a Family Planning Program desparately implemented in the 1970s - that caused the present deficiency in population growth, and need to depend on massive inflow of foreigners ?
If he had the vision to see far ahead - why will he allow Singapore to be continuously dependent on MNCs that need low wage work force - even as they require a stable political and secure business environment ?
If he had the vision to see the need to have firm roots in our culture, why will he so hurriedly destroy the languages and cultures of the unique Chinese dialect groups, and immerse the diverse Chinese into a mindlessly uniform Mandarin language to conform with China ?
If he had the vision to see further ahead - why will he insist on monopolising the political scene and prevent even his own vision of a flourishing society - "where men can preach ideas - novel, unorthodox, heresies, to established churches and established governments - where there is a constant contest for men's hearts and minds on the basis of what is right, of what is just, of what is in the national interests"
Unfortunately, he succumbed to his own ambitious vanity and fulfilled his own fears in the question that he had asked in 1964 in the Malaysian Parliament - " or is it a closed society where the mass media - the newspapaers, the journals, publications, TV, radio - either bound by sound or by sight, or both sound and sight, men's minds are fed with a constant drone of sycophantic support for a particular orthodox political philosophy ? "
After 42 years of the monolithic orthodox rule under LKY and his PAP, Singapore has arrived into the 21st Century with a political scion that is bankrupt of ideas despite the acclaimed elitist bloodline, needing to continuously fix the Alternative Political Parties in the methods employed in Third World politics, and fulfill his own idiocy with gaffs that include "mee siam mai hum" and insisting that it is not the responsibility of the Singapore Government to look for jobs for Singaporeans.
We can certainly depend on LKY's long term vision to see an unstable legacy for Singapore political theatre when HIS Army will step in to interfere in the political process when the National Reserves in used.
Is the National Reserves of Singaporeans' Money the exclusive turf for him to jealously guard that will supercede the mandate of a NEW Government elected by Singapore citizens ?
Which Army is MM LKY depending to interfere in the political process ?
Is he leaving a legacy behind that will involve his preferred Gurkhas to interfere in the politcal process - when the Gurkhas are maintained by taxes collected from the citizens of Singapore, and he will have the Gurkhas prevent Singaporeans from voting an Alternative Political Party to form a New Government ?
It is amazing that some can be so simple minded to be blinded by the seeming over inflated aura of an individual.
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Jobs for everybody?
Unemployment at 5% amongst the residents.
This is not much different from Australia's 5.7%, but then again Australians are paid 3-5 times more than Singaporeans and Singapore has a GDP per Capita higher than Australia equivalent to Japan.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
This is classic, in the past his son went over to Taiwan and made some comments which infuriated the PRCs; subsequently he made another visit to China and made another comment which infuriated the Taiwanese.
Don't these people with their multi-million dollar salaries know anything about diplomacy? And this is the person which Henry Kissinger claimed he learnt alot from? Don't tell me he is learning from their idiocy? Maybe father and son should read Henry Kissinger's book on Diplomacy.
Henry Kissinger do learn a lot from him, not to make mistakes like him.
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Kissinger praised Lee Kuan Yew in the past in talks with China.
Prime Minister Chou: It is the conservative nature of those Chinese.
And when the Australian Prime Minister came, he discussed with
me the Southeast Asian countries and their establishing relations with
China. We discussed if it would be possible to establish relations with
Singapore. I wonder if a communiqué or public declaration that none
of those Singapore citizens would maintain dual citizenship might set
him at ease.Secretary Kissinger: Would you like me to discuss this with Lee
Kuan Yew? I think he takes me more seriously than he does Whitlam.Prime Minister Chou: That is, we would be willing to establish relations
in a pattern which would set other countries at ease because a
large percentage of the Singapore population is Chinese.Secretary Kissinger: I will talk to him.
Prime Minister Chou: And Singapore being a free port, we think
it would be better for them to maintain a neutral problem. The Soviet
Union is casting a covetous eye on them.Secretary Kissinger: Lee Kuan Yew is primarily worried about the
organization of Communist groups.Prime Minister Chou: To my knowledge there is none there. There
are perhaps some leftists but to my knowledge there are no Communist
parties in Singapore.Secretary Kissinger: But he is not against the People’s Republic.
He is afraid you will engage in subversive activities there.Prime Minister Chou: We are not going to subvert them. We
haven’t even subverted Hongkong. Why would we go there. Why give
up Hongkong at our door step to go so far. Hongkong has 4 million
while Singapore has slightly over one and a half million.Secretary Kissinger: I will send a letter to Lee Kuan Yew.
Prime Minister Chou: He has not been so bad to us. There is a
branch of the bank of China there.Secretary Kissinger: He is not against you. I know him very well.
He is one of the few leaders with whom it is worth talking. Aside from
his having power, he has a great understanding of England.Prime Minister Chou: He is a very eloquent speaker. I believe he
was trained by McDonald.*Secretary Kissinger: He was at the London School of Economics.
Prime Minister Chou: Because McDonald had been Governor General
of Singapore.Secretary Kissinger: He always comes to Harvard once every two
years.Prime Minister Chou: You mean the son of Ramsey McDonald?
Secretary Kissinger: Lee Kuan Yew comes to Harvard and shocks
my liberal colleagues by calling them fools. They are not used to Socialists
calling them that.* Malcolm McDonald, son of british PM Ramsey McDonald
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_MacDonald
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Chou En-lai: The Soviet Union has also directly approached Burma
about that. Slightly before General Ne Win paid a non-official visit to
Hungary the Soviet Union approached him.
Dr. Kissinger: I didn’t know that.
Chou En-lai: He rejected it. That is why he did not go to the Soviet
Union. He was planning to go both to Hungary and the Soviet
Union, and because of this he rejected the visit to the Soviet Union.
And they also probably approached Razak of Malaysia too, when he
was visiting Moscow. They probably also approached Lee Kuan Yew
who also went to Moscow.
Dr. Kissinger: I will see Lee Kuan Yew very soon. He is very intelligent.
Singapore is too small for his talents.
Chou En-lai: It is the problem created by Chinese blood. [Laughter]
It is because the percentage of those of Chinese blood in Singapore
are too numerous that makes Malaysia and Razak fear him.Dr. Kissinger: That is why they rejected him.
Chou En-lai: Then they built Malaysia over him and around himand isolated him in the center.
Dr. Kissinger: But still he has the most dynamic state in the area.
Chou En-lai: But his production cannot support him. Their domestic
production cannot support them. They rely on trade going
through their country. They rely on transit trade and now they can only
just lease some of their small islands around them to other countries.
We have heard that the Soviet Union . . .Dr. Kissinger: The Soviet Union wanted to establish a naval facility
there.Chou En-lai: Yes, because a barren island can be used to first build
a factory, an oil refinery, and then used to build a dock and then used
to repair boats and so on gradually developing into a naval facility.Dr. Kissinger: Our information was they wanted to use some of
the existing facilities. They wanted to lease some of the dry dock facilities.
On a regular basis.Chou En-lai: That would be the first step.
Dr. Kissinger: We prevented that.
Chou En-lai: They have already done that in Hong Kong. Hong
Kong has agreed to their repairing ordinary boats but not naval vessels.
But it takes them three months to repair one boat, so they maintain
all around the year at least one or two naval vessels there that have
their intelligence facilities on those boats. Well, now every day they can
stroll around in the streets of Hong Kong. And they can also invite
guests onto their ships. And they use those methods to serve their intelligence
work. These are new activities on the seas which were recently
invented since the Second World War.Dr. Kissinger: Yes.
Chou En-lai: They also use these opportunities, use the fact that
Hong Kong is a free port, to buy a lot of daily necessities, especially
food, and take it back with them. And they would like to take Singapore
the same and make it play a greater role than Hong Kong and
gradually project it into a naval base. Britain would probably know
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I wonder how many of those who criticised his speech had actually read the speech.
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and no wiser.
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I think basically, in this agenda, LKY spoke for the Asean, not on Singapore alone. Most of the asean countries and even japan or korean would had supported his views, China govt also understood that if they want to succeed, they need American market , the america consumers and capital investment in China in order to succeed. In another words, China also want to see a vibrant America economy. Otherwise, both will go down the drain together. And that is why, China agreed to buy America bonds.
As for news and comments, there will alway be such incident in China, afterall only 500 out of 1.3billions people commented, that is nothing.
For empty talk, in fact, if china hated us, more better, less PRC coming.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
I think basically, in this agenda, LKY spoke for the Asean, not on Singapore alone. Most of the asean countries and even japan or korean would had supported his views, China govt also understood that if they want to succeed, they need American market , the america consumers and capital investment in China in order to succeed. In another words, China also want to see a vibrant America economy. Otherwise, both will go down the drain together. And that is why, China agreed to buy America bonds.
As for news and comments, there will alway be such incident in China, afterall only 500 out of 1.3billions people commented, that is nothing.
For empty talk, in fact, if china hated us, more better, less PRC coming.
america needed china more than china does. and no no pls dun stop prcs from coming. like that we dun have cheap bonks anymore if demand outrise supply =D nd my god LKY must be really sad to read this thread that nobody in singapore stood up for him against those criticisms.