Chee Soon Juan's youtube message to Barack Obama
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I'm not sure if this has been posted before but here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNhfIexncdc
So what do you guys think?
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That...America is only interested in whether we're American aligned and don't really care what our government is?
Frankly we could turn into an Islamic Fundamentalist state tomorrow but if we are still American aligned they won't really give a shit.
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True and CSJ is just a self-serving politician.
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This is a shot in the foot for himself.
Once you appeal to a foreign power, I dont see how you can defend yourself from accusation of being a traitor or a lackey / stooge.
Not a smart move.
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Lee Kuan Yew was also seen as a british dog when he came to power.
In my view, Lee Kuan Yew is a western dog.
He suppresses local culture and tries to westernise Singapore society while serving anglo-american interests.
He is a dog.
Even the british says that he is political coward.
Last time also worked for Japanese occupiers, while they kill chinese in Singapore.
A coward dog to the end this Lee Kuan Yew.
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When the cursed despot with a zombie wife meets with Barrack Obama (MM Lee to meet US President Obama next week Channel News Asia), it only highlights how dishonorable he is and how cursed he is. Barrack Obama should ask the despot about Dr Chee and Dr Francis Seow.
Why would a cursed despot that cannot win elections honorably and so greedy for public money want to disgrace himself by meeting with Obama?
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Originally posted by Veggie Bao:
This is a shot in the foot for himself.
Once you appeal to a foreign power, I dont see how you can defend yourself from accusation of being a traitor or a lackey / stooge.
Not a smart move.
I'm actually worried he really thinks the US would help him for nothing but to spread freedom and democracy.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
That...America is only interested in whether we're American aligned and don't really care what our government is?
Frankly we could turn into an Islamic Fundamentalist state tomorrow but if we are still American aligned they won't really give a shit.
There's no such thing as Islamic fundamentalism.
It's either Islam or Democracy. They are not compatible to each other, therefore they cannot co-exist.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
There's no such thing as Islamic fundamentalism.
It's either Islam or Democracy. They are not compatible to each other, therefore they cannot co-exist.
Then obviously you haven't really understood the meaning of fundamentalism.
I'm assuming your Church has not updated itself on Turkey ?
Meh, talk about a major thread hijack.
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US and the ruling party enjoy mutual benefits, doubt Obama will care
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
When the cursed despot with a zombie wife meets with Barrack Obama (MM Lee to meet US President Obama next week Channel News Asia), it only highlights how dishonorable he is and how cursed he is. Barrack Obama should ask the despot about Dr Chee and Dr Francis Seow.
Why would a cursed despot that cannot win elections honorably and so greedy for public money want to disgrace himself by meeting with Obama?
Look, curse anyone you hate for all you like. But please leave their family out of it. Has his wife offended you in any way to deserve her being called "zombie" by you? She's not even involved in the bloody political arena. All she is, is someone's wife. Goodness sake. -
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
That...America is only interested in whether we're American aligned and don't really care what our government is?
Frankly we could turn into an Islamic Fundamentalist state tomorrow but if we are still American aligned they won't really give a shit.
The danger with sweeping statements is that it covers too much with one broad stroke and with so little consideration as to what is being swept over.If one looks through the last sixty over years of history, one will see the changes to the US foreign and defense policies with the various countries that were previously allies to the USA for various strategic or treaty reasons; and you may wish to have a second look at your statement made in such a casual manner.
Since Chiang Kai Shek lost its fight with Mao and took refuge in Taiwan, for more then forty years, the USA stood by Taiwan and supplied high tech weapons for its defense.
The situation changed, when Mainland China presented a new face with new open door policies encouraged by Deng Xiao Peng; and about twenty years after China open its doors, a prosperous China was being economically engaged by the global community at the expense of Taiwan.
Taiwan was relegated to second tier status even as the USA had treaty obligations to defend Taiwan, and the reason for this change was the new political economic reality that developed since the fall of Communism in the Soviet Union and the Eastern Communist Bloc.
With more then twenty years of political boycott and economic sanctions that had no positive results in changing the attitude of the military junta in Myanmar, the USA has now embarked on a new course of diplomatic engagement.
This is also pursued with North Korea, as well as with Iran - both of which were once dubbed as Axis of Evil with Syria being the third party in the Axis.
Those who are Allies today, may well be seens as adversary.
Indonesia was once considered a strategic partner to block the Communist influence from spreading across Southeast Asia.
Now that Communism is defeated - Islamic Fundamentalism is the new threat and challenge to global stability.
Islamic Fundamentalism is to create a new Islamic Caliphate that stretch from the Western Coast of Africa, across the Middle-East, and the entire Southeast Asia.
If Singapore turned into an Islamic Fundamentalist State, are you certain that the USA will not be concerned and continue to support Singapore ?
If the USA can find a more stable and less problemsome government in Malaysia or even in Indonesia, and sacrifice Singapore for the sake of better relations with the two larger neighbors - (similar to the manner in which Taiwan was sacrificed for better relations with Mainland China) - do you seriously think that Singapore has any value in any new US strategic thinking that should arise with new developments ?
Singapore had achieved premier status in the relationship with the USA as the PAP government was able to package Singapore as a strategic location for the interest of the USA.
Our success is due partly to the inability of the political leadership in the neighboring countries to take a more strategic position even as they engage in petty politics to squeeze Singapore.
With Malaysia moving forward in opening up its politics towards more liberalism and public participation, and a 1Malaysia political ideology - it will not be too long before Malaysia will be where Singapore had been 20 years ago, and perhaps succeed more then what MM LKY had falsely pledged to "aspire" for what Singapore is to be.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:I'm actually worried he really thinks the US would help him for nothing but to spread freedom and democracy.
The retired West German Chancellor Willie Brandt was asked to help win the release of Chia Thye Poh, and he did so without any favors in return.
Unlike all other political detainees - such as the accused Marxist Conspirators from the Singapore Catholic Church in Siglap - Chia Thye Poh was released without him even being asked to sign any undertaking.
Why should you worry for CSJ if he thinks that the USA will help him for nothing but to spread freedom and democracy ?
Or are you worried for yourself that the USA will spread freedom and democracy at a price that the PAP will not want Singapore to pay ?
Is the lost of US weapon systems for the SAF too high a price to be paid for us to have political freedom and democracy ?
If this price is not worth paying for our political freedom and democracy - can we believe that you will pay the ultimate price for Singapore when Singapore's political freedom and existence is actually threatened ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
The situation changed, when Mainland China presented a new face with new open door policies encouraged by Deng Xiao Peng; and with a prosperous China being economically engaged at the expense of Taiwan.
Don't think your history is accurate.
The policy of USA and PRC being tacit allies was taken in 1971. The main reason was to deal with the common Soviet threat.
See:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/xvii/index.htm
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/xviii/index.htm
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Originally posted by angel3070:
Don't think your history is accurate.
The policy of USA and PRC being tacit allies was taken in 1971. The main reason was to deal with the common Soviet threat.
See:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/xvii/index.htm
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/xviii/index.htm
In 1971, the relationship between the USA and PRC had taken a positive turn with the Nixon visit to China, and they collaborated to contain the Russians.Did USA and PRC become formal allies against the Communist Russia ?
This did not change the USA support for the defense of Taiwan from PRC military threats in invading Taiwan.
This US policy continued until 2004, when ‘systematic change in Taiwan's political landscape saw Chen Shui Bien more aggressive stance that will ignite the extreme fragile cross-straits PRC-Taiwan situation’ (*1) and caused the USA to become more cautious towards Chen Shui Bien's Taiwan.
Although the USA is committed on paper to defend Taiwan, the USA also has her own political, military and economic priorities over that of Taiwan's.
As records have it, as early as in 2001 - George Bush Jr had rejected ‘Taiwan's military requests for high-tech weapons - which were met with lower key equipment such as the Berkeley Class of Destroyers instead of the Aegis Class’ (*2)
What do you think could be the reason for such a drastic change to a US Ally since the Second World War ?
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Originally posted by superlibra:
Look, curse anyone you hate for all you like. But please leave their family out of it. Has his wife offended you in any way to deserve her being called "zombie" by you? She's not even involved in the bloody political arena. All she is, is someone's wife. Goodness sake.Where were you when the cursed despot with a zombie wife was "fixing" Tang Liang Hong's wife?
"Singapore: Tang's wife loses appeal
MADAM Teo Siew Har, the wife of opposition politician Tang Liang Hong, has lost her appeal against a High Court decision on the sale of her family bungalow ...www.singapore-window.org/sw99/90605st1.htm - Cached - Similar"
"IN THE HIGH COURT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE
1. TANG LIANG HONG (NRIC No. S1096110F) 2. TEO SIEW HAR (NRIC No. S0531156Z) ...2. TEO SIEW HAR (NRIC No. S0531156Z) ...Defendant/s ...www.tangtalk.com/laikewchai.html - Similar"
Always constantly forever remind the cursed despot that even as he was "fixing" other people's wife, the stage was set for his own wife to become a zombie.
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...or when the cursed despot with a mongoloid first grandson was "fixing" Dr Chee's children by arresting him?
"Justice for Dr Chee Soon Juan, Singapore's prisoner of conscience
Because he is going to be unavailable from time to time, I think it makes more sense for ....After hugging his children, Dr. Chee gave a brief press interview. ... At 1000 hr sharp, Queenstown Remand Prison released Dr. Chee Soon Juan, ...cheesoonjuan.blogspot.com/ - Cached - Similar"
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Assslicking and sh!t tasting running dogs should be careful the curses on the despot and his family do not rub off on them...
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Where were you when the cursed despot with a zombie wife was "fixing" Tang Liang Hong's wife?
"Singapore: Tang's wife loses appeal
MADAM Teo Siew Har, the wife of opposition politician Tang Liang Hong, has lost her appeal against a High Court decision on the sale of her family bungalow ...www.singapore-window.org/sw99/90605st1.htm - Cached - Similar"
"IN THE HIGH COURT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE
1. TANG LIANG HONG (NRIC No. S1096110F) 2. TEO SIEW HAR (NRIC No. S0531156Z) ...2. TEO SIEW HAR (NRIC No. S0531156Z) ...Defendant/s ...www.tangtalk.com/laikewchai.html - Similar"
Always constantly forever remind the cursed despot that even as he was "fixing" other people's wife, the stage was set for his own wife to become a zombie.
Ok fine, so he messes with other people's family.. And you think that it's ok (by your own moral standards and judgement) to curse other people's family?In case your last statement was trying to refer to me as an ass licking èµ°ç‹—, all i am doing, is trying to ask you where was your moral compass pointing towards when you started to curse the "despot's" wife, a women who wasn't involved in politics and was just being a wife.
If you're gonna pull the "despot" into your next reasoning/reply again, then i don't see the point in talking to you about this again. Coz i'm asking you about your own moral compass when you start cursing other people's wife, not whether the "despot" and his family deserves it or not.
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Originally posted by superlibra:
Ok fine, so he messes with other people's family.. And you think that it's ok (by your own moral standards and judgement) to curse other people's family?In case your last statement was trying to refer to me as an ass licking èµ°ç‹—, all i am doing, is trying to ask you where was your moral compass pointing towards when you started to curse the "despot's" wife, a women who wasn't involved in politics and was just being a wife.
If you're gonna pull the "despot" into your next reasoning/reply again, then i don't see the point in talking to you about this again. Coz i'm asking you about your own moral compass when you start cursing other people's wife, not whether the "despot" and his family deserves it or not.
"a women who wasn't involved in politics and was just being a wife." ?
LKY had once said that he consults her on all issues before decisions are arrived at, especially on issues of law.
Some of LKY's decisions had affected innocent lives and destroyed families - one of which is the decision to incarcerate Chia Thye Poh for 32 years under the ISA, and kept 32 years in solitary confinement, taunted with release by being brought on a regular tour of Singapore, and finally released without even a written or verbal confession, nor was any undertaking not to return to the supposedly Communist revolutionary ways that he was originally accused of being a participant.
Another of LKY's accusation that destroyed families were the plot that the British ISD refused to be a participant to arrest LKY's political opponents, while LKY continue to act as their advocate, and which LKY persuaded Tunku Abdul Rahman to push the British to implement Operation Cold Store.
The falsely accused Marxist Conspirators in the Catholic Church had caused 22 young Singapore social activists to be subjected to the pogroms of imprisonment, physical and mental torture, and forced confessions. When released, some of them made an open statement that informed the public of their innocence and retracted their forced confessions. They were immediately re-arrested, and subjected again to more punitive retribution by the ISD agents, and at the second forced confession they were subjected to doing it on live TV.
The family of the Secretary-General of Alpha-ONE were ejected from Singapore, when all he had done was representing the position of the Singapore Airlines Pilots, had represented their interest to the best of his honest ability, and put up a strong argument with the retired MM LKY chairing the meeting.
Did LKY consult his wife, and sought her views on the legality of his actions - before taking actions on all these issues ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
In 1971, the relationship between the USA and PRC had taken a positive turn with the Nixon visit to China, and they collaborated to contain the Russians.
Actually Kissinger visited China in 1971. Nixon visited China in 1972.
As records have it, as early as in 2001 - George Bush Jr had rejected ‘Taiwan's military requests for high-tech weapons - which were met with lower key equipment such as the Berkeley Class of Destroyers instead of the Aegis Class’ (*2)
Bush still sold arms to Taiwan in 2008.
China Opposes U.S. Arms Sale To Taiwan
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/04/world/main4501450.shtml
What do you think could be the reason for such a drastic change to a US Ally since the Second World War ?
Can't piss off China too much. They stop financing USA's debt how?
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Originally posted by superlibra:
Ok fine, so he messes with other people's family.. And you think that it's ok (by your own moral standards and judgement) to curse other people's family?In case your last statement was trying to refer to me as an ass licking èµ°ç‹—, all i am doing, is trying to ask you where was your moral compass pointing towards when you started to curse the "despot's" wife, a women who wasn't involved in politics and was just being a wife.
If you're gonna pull the "despot" into your next reasoning/reply again, then i don't see the point in talking to you about this again. Coz i'm asking you about your own moral compass when you start cursing other people's wife, not whether the "despot" and his family deserves it or not.
Do I need to curse the "cursed despot" or his zombie wife? You do not think that they are already cursed enough?
If you are not "an ass licking èµ°ç‹—, " why are you so concerned about people telling the truth about his dishonorable character?
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CSJ has been doing this since forever man. Obama has much much much bigger fish to fry.
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superlibra, Japanese killed chinese in WWII, but Lee Kuan Yew worked for Japanese during WWII, after WWII he fled to london to study law.
What's your view on that?
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Do I need to curse the "cursed despot" or his zombie wife? You do not think that they are already cursed enough?
If you are not "an ass licking èµ°ç‹—, " why are you so concerned about people telling the truth about his dishonorable character?
Ok, so they're already cursed enough. I'm not concerned about people telling truths about his dishonourable character.I'm concerned because I feel alarmed that you're able to name names ("zombie") about a women who looks 慈祥 and has never been involved politically. It's her husband who's in the political arena, it's her sons who are involved. So direct your anger towards all the other family members who are involved politically, not the ones who are not..
At the end of the day, i only pray and hope that people will uphold their decency and refer to their moral compass when making their point and saying anything else. And that goes out to you too, AndrewPKYap. That's all.
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Originally posted by angel3070:
superlibra, Japanese killed chinese in WWII, but Lee Kuan Yew worked for Japanese during WWII, after WWII he fled to london to study law.
What's your view on that?
Well, he's an ass. But that's his problem. He'll get his retributions somehow.