Is the current opposition capable to form a govt if it wins
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Originally posted by complain or not:
No, so we're screwed either way. At least you know what you're getting with the PAP, so the shock won't be that bad
Well if that is the case than you deserve to pay and Pay.
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Originally posted by complain or not:
No, so we're screwed either way. At least you know what you're getting with the PAP, so the shock won't be that bad
It is people like you that we are still stuck with Pay and Pay.I wish you continue to enjoy pay until you drop dead, ahahahahhah
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actually what got us into this predicament of strong hands is not so much of having opposition to take over the parliment as "Good Governance" but we allowed 1 political party to dominate the parliment for the last 40 yrs and they have organically evolved....and now the single political party is comfortable enough to tell its people that dual parties system is not workerable solution or best interest for Singapore.
U guys see the different? we are not going into Good Governance dicussion again.
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How did LKY form the government when he won in the 1960s?
Did he read up on Government 101 just before the elections?
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there're 4.8 million people in singapore. minus 1.5 million foreigners, the children, the uninterested, and those who're not already in PAP. who's left?
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
How did LKY form the government when he won in the 1960s?
Did he read up on Government 101 just before the elections?
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Originally posted by the Bear:
actually, if we vote the bloody opposition in, i'm willing to bet life continues as normal..
because basically politicians are more like leeches than anything.. it's the people that make the country...
if we have the determination and discipline to do what we are doing, the idiot politicians would be out of a job..
and the idiots like andyboy and a-to-z would be at a loss as they'd have no one's balls to carry or bark against
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
actually what got us into this predicament of strong hands is not so much of having opposition to take over the parliment as "Good Governance" but we allowed 1 political party to dominate the parliment for the last 40 yrs and they have organically evolved....and now the single political party is comfortable enough to tell its people that dual parties system is not workerable solution or best interest for Singapore.
U guys see the different? we are not going into Good Governance dicussion again.
And the opposition parties allow themselves to degenerate into a bunch of idiots. -
next election i support opposition liao
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
How did LKY form the government when he won in the 1960s?
Did he read up on Government 101 just before the elections?
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Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
there're 4.8 million people in singapore. minus 1.5 million foreigners, the children, the uninterested, and those who're not already in PAP. who's left?
Given the balance citizen do you think that justified the ministers million dollar salary? -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Originally posted by the Bear:
actually, if we vote the bloody opposition in, i'm willing to bet life continues as normal..
because basically politicians are more like leeches than anything.. it's the people that make the country...
if we have the determination and discipline to do what we are doing, the idiot politicians would be out of a job..
and the idiots like andyboy and a-to-z would be at a loss as they'd have no one's balls to carry or bark against
How true.Indeed how true - that it takes the imbecilic intelligence of a "zwei-siao-hog" to agree with the drama of a circus Bear.
If politicians are leeches, will there be any roles left for the "zwei-siao-imbeciles" and "Drama Queens" ?
Surely, the "zwei-siao-imbecile" and the "Drama Queen" are not pretending to remain as contnuously neutral when there are no more leeches around ?
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
And the opposition parties allow themselves to degenerate into a bunch of idiots.
Only the "zwei-siao-imbecile" will gulp the venom of the MIW to allow any remaining "zwei-siao" intelligence to be blurred, and see the opposition parties "degenerate into a bunch of idiots".Have any Singaporeans - who do not see themselves as ‘offsprings from "foreigners" nor see the ethnic Malays as being the son of the Singapore soil’ (*1) - believe in any of the "zwei-siao" venomous crap produced by the MIW ?
The Singaporeans in the two Hougang and Potong Pasir constituencies cannot be as bad as the resident "zwei-siao-imbecile" in this Speaker's Corner - for giving their ballot to two leaders of a "bunch of idiots" that had formed their respective opposition parties to challenge the MIW ?
Either the Singaporeans in Hougang and Potong Pasir constituencies are fools, or the resident "zwei-siao-imbecile" must be the biggest idiot in Singapore.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
And the opposition parties allow themselves to degenerate into a bunch of idiots.
I think people like you really like to pay and pay.Maybe you are one of the PAP politicians here that's why you always go against the majority of forumers here.
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Originally posted by dare82:
I think people like you really like to pay and pay.Maybe you are one of the PAP politicians here that's why you always go against the majority of forumers here.
If I dare to speak the truth, the whole bunch of SDP supporters will rush in to support their beloved idol.In real truth, the opposition parties did degenerate into a bunch of idiots who worked at cross purposes.
No party,opposition or mainstream, dare to rally to the cause of the people for close to 40 years since indepedence of Singapore.
dare82, you just dare to suck Dheir penis.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
If I dare to speak the truth, the whole bunch of SDP supporters will rush in to support their beloved idol.In real truth, the opposition parties did degenerate into a bunch of idiots who worked at cross purposes.
No party,opposition or mainstream, dare to rally to the cause of the people for close to 40 years since indepedence of Singapore.
dare82, you just dare to suck Dheir penis.
Have you ever question why no people dare to rally against the PAP ?
Even until now international event held in Singapore. It is still against the LAW to held public protest....to express on certain universal opinon on labor law, human rights groups, and the impact on globalization against Less Developed countries....
Our ministry and our politician has no balls to open to public protest....
So it is not about supporting SDP in this forum. Nor ego stroke....there is nothing wrong about questioning....if you don't question than it is a waste for your brain to exist.
A waste for you to access to internet where information are available for you to read and learned.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Have you ever question why no people dare to rally against the PAP ?
Even until now international event held in Singapore. It is still against the LAW to held public protest....to express on certain universal opinon on labor law, human rights groups, and the impact on globalization against Less Developed countries....
Our ministry and our politician has no balls to open to public protest....
So it is not about supporting SDP in this forum. Nor ego stroke....there is nothing wrong about questioning....if you don't question than it is a waste for your brain to exist.
A waste for you to access to internet where information are available for you to read and learned.
Note that Singaporeans are unable maintain a facade of stability while holding a protest. If you can remember the race riots of yester years, it's because the people want to organise a protest against what they deem as unfair treatment but it became unstable and degenerate in a riot. This is what Singaporeans do not want, not just to the Singapore government. Even if you want to protest, please do some research on the subject to present as a viable evidence in a court of law. Thus even brought to a court of law, it can be refuted that the appopriate ministry is not doing its job.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
If I dare to speak the truth, the whole bunch of SDP supporters will rush in to support their beloved idol.In real truth, the opposition parties did degenerate into a bunch of idiots who worked at cross purposes.
No party,opposition or mainstream, dare to rally to the cause of the people for close to 40 years since indepedence of Singapore.
dare82, you just dare to suck Dheir penis.
SDP is not capable, I agree.
But if you let PAP continue down the road, and not giving chance to WP or RP, I think you are an idiot.
Who is asking for much? The citizens of Singapore or the PAP? I think it's the PAP man!
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Originally posted by dare82:
SDP is not capable, I agree.
But if you let PAP continue down the road, and not giving chance to WP or RP, I think you are an idiot.
Who is asking for much? The citizens of Singapore or the PAP? I think it's the PAP man!
Does anyone have any news on Kenneth Jeyaretnam, son of JB
Jeyaretnam who has taken over the leadership of the new reform party ?He is academically and professionally brilliant.
Can anyone update us on the activities of the new reform party ?
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Originally posted by dare82:
SDP is not capable, I agree.
But if you let PAP continue down the road, and not giving chance to WP or RP, I think you are an idiot.
Who is asking for much? The citizens of Singapore or the PAP? I think it's the PAP man!
Since when did I agree to let PAP bring Singapore down the road to destruction?WP has a better public platform than RP but I have yet to see the future plans that RP has for Singapore.
But in the present, I do see politicians who act in a self-serving manner.
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The question is pretty much self answered.
Is the opposition prepared to win? If they aren't, then they probably have not considered what they'd do after they win.
We can speculate and imagine all we want, but truth is, oppositions are far from winning and hence they probably have not considered what they'd do if they do form the government.
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Is it any surprise that everyone remains confused and unfamiliar about the plans from the Alternative Political Parties if they should succeed ?
Sadly, this situation is largely due to the fact that none of the present Alternative Political Parties in Singapore have published their views on how to correct the errors of the PAP - EXCEPT for Chee Soon Juan in several of his books :
Amongst the six books written, his title "Dare to Change: An Alternative Vision for Singapore" - published in 1994, had detailed the short-comings of the PAP policies since 1966 and had proposed clear solutions for change - and some of his ideas were quietly seen in the changes that the PAP made in the economic reviews after the economic downturn in 2002.
It was the ability of CSJ to be so clear in his thinking that he was viewed by LKY and the PAP as the most potent threat over the long term that required CSJ to be "fixed" - as now known in PAP parlance.
LKY had to deal with CSJ - as CSJ's political success will affect the plans for LHL to be given a smooth ride into the PM's chair, and to have an unchallenged term in office so as not to aggravate LHL's cancer that was in remission.
Is it any surprise that the full weight of the government was brought to bear by LKY - with the print and broadcast machinery, the judiciary, grassroots organisation - to tarnish the image of CSJ and prevent him from becoming a popular political figure ?
CSJ is the only politician now left to fight the political battles not according to the unequal terms and conditions set by LKY and the PAP, and is doing his best to reset the political terrain - as in the same manner that so many other political figures in other countries have fought for their political freedom from oppressive rulers.
As matters stand, while CSJ may have been disqualified from the electoral process by the schemes that were designed to "fix" him - he remain useful as a political activist in the political scene in Singapore.
While he may not be involved as a relevant participant in the political process, he will be in a better position to support other candidates recruited by the SDP, as well as to aid the other Political Parties in speaking on issues that has the OB markers that block any open discussions to protect the PAP's image.
The SPP under Chiam See Tong will flounder without Chiam grooming any clear nor capable successor - let alone to have credible political associates within his SPP.
The WP has yet to make any further impact while barely retaining its Parliamentary seat for the Hougang Constituency, and have yet to make their views known in solving the PAP policy errors - nor making clear their ambitions as a government in waiting.
The Reform Party under Kenneth Jeyaretnam - with his triple stars in economics - has the best potential to best the WP in providing Singaporeans with solutions to the PAP policy errors. He will need to quickly put his views known to Singaporeans, and begin to garner political points for his political party.
However, if all these Alternative Political Parties intend to battle the PAP based on the terms and ground rules set by the LKY, they will have to find a key to break open the "political rubik cube" that LKY had designed in favor of his PAP.
There remains the middle ground for all the political parties to work together to find the key to break open and reset LKY's political rubik cube. They will need the support from Singaporeans who have the interests to regain control of our future and that of the successive generations..
The PAP is not infallible, and do not necessarily have all the solutions to the problems that are continuously added even as old problems are growing larger - as there is no incentive for the PAP to change the status quo.
This was seen in LHL's comments to the recommendation and reports from his Economic Review Committees set up after the 1987, 1997 and 2002 downturns - when he stated that even as he said that he "will leave no stone unturn, it is better to have turnover those stones, taken a look at it, and place the stones to their original positions as it is best to keep them that way".
Singaporeans will have to support the Alternative Political Parties in one form or another, so as to recover the politcal space that LKY had taken away from us so as to allow his PAP to dominate over everyone of us.
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Yes. Support the alternative butt sitting cluleless opposition parties IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER - get yourself placed in jail for rioting, sued for defamation, charged in court and get your future destroyed, worse still end up in body bags. And for what?
For the asshole who sits on his butt, writing books filled with irrational drivel, expecting the commoners to go against our rule of law society, sacrifice their lives so that he can be king, get his hands on our treasury funds, enrich himself and his family/cronies, people whom he will and can only trust when he won?
I personally have more respect for Workers Party, the SPP and yet to know the RP better, for at least they took the trouble to work within our society's laws, going out to meet the people and solving their daily issues, being and doing what a political party that seeks to change minds and hearts should do.
But what had Dr Chee done? Outlawlery, inciting naive others to perform civil obedience, selling his bare arse on youtube appealing to President Obama for help! Is our society persecuting him in any way rather than his anti republican and democratic antics shamed and posed dangers not only to ourselves, but to his naive followers as well?
Dr Chee has still alot to learn, just like A Turd here. Either that or he already knew he had lost, so his last gamble to become a ruler is by undemocratic means - by force and upturning every law of the land we cherish and agreed to abide upon, by becoming above the law, an outlaw, spewing hate, disillusionment, twisting words, rumours, lies with half truths, etc.
Sadly, activities such as his and A Turd here only reveal their true agenda, and because of them, they destroy whatever hope for serious genuine opposition political parties to grow, with the disappointed young instead turning to the ruling party to seek for change within a more stable and evolving political plateform.
I, an insignificant nobody, speaks without prejudice but only true facts as perceived and revealed, nor am I from any political party. I speak only as my birthright as a citizen of my homeland, the land of our forefathers who sacrificed much for us so that we may live all in peace and prosperity, and face any crisis together and not be divided as they once were.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Yes. Support the alternative butt sitting cluleless opposition parties IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER - get yourself placed in jail for rioting, sued for defamation, charged in court and get your future destroyed, worse still end up in body bags. And for what?
For the asshole who sits on his butt, writing books filled with irrational drivel, expecting the commoners to go against our rule of law society, sacrifice their lives so that he can be king, get his hands on our treasury funds, enrich himself and his family/cronies, people whom he will and can only trust when he won?
I personally have more respect for Workers Party, the SPP and yet to know the RP better, for at least they took the trouble to work within our society's laws, going out to meet the people and solving their daily issues, being and doing what a political party that seeks to change minds and hearts should do.
But what had Dr Chee done? Outlawlery, inciting naive others to perform civil obedience, selling his bare arse on youtube appealing to President Obama for help! Is our society persecuting him in any way rather than his anti republican and democratic antics shamed and posed dangers not only to ourselves, but to his naive followers as well?
Dr Chee has still alot to learn, just like A Turd here. Either that or he already knew he had lost, so his last gamble to become a ruler is by undemocratic means - by force and upturning every law of the land we cherish and agreed to abide upon, by becoming above the law, an outlaw, spewing hate, disillusionment, twisting words, rumours, lies with half truths, etc.
Sadly, activities such as his and A Turd here only reveal their true agenda, and because of them, they destroy whatever hope for serious genuine opposition political parties to grow, with the disappointed young instead turning to the ruling party to seek for change within a more stable and evolving political plateform.
I, an insignificant nobody, speaks without prejudice but only true facts as perceived and revealed, nor am I from any political party. I speak only as my birthright as a citizen of my homeland, the land of our forefathers who sacrificed much for us so that we may live all in peace and prosperity, and face any crisis together and not be divided as they once were.