Is the current opposition capable to form a govt if it wins
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Is the current opposition capable to form a govt if it wins ?
Who can be the PM, cabinet ministers ?
Will they be able to gain recognition from the investors, foreign governments ?
What will happen ?
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Worry about it only when they win.
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If you vote for the incumbent party, it is almost confirmed that you will be screwed later on after the election - increase GST, increase ERP, lower wages (be cheaper!), higher cost of living, higher cost of flats, higher minister salaries etc.
Might as well try to vote in more opposition - at least there is a chance they can help reduce some of the screwing.
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i dunno.. afterwards they change the lock and they start fighting in the streets how?
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No, so we're screwed either way. At least you know what you're getting with the PAP, so the shock won't be that bad
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Feel like when they first said about PAP in the 50s.
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actually, if we vote the bloody opposition in, i'm willing to bet life continues as normal..
because basically politicians are more like leeches than anything.. it's the people that make the country...
if we have the determination and discipline to do what we are doing, the idiot politicians would be out of a job..
and the idiots like andyboy and a-to-z would be at a loss as they'd have no one's balls to carry or bark against
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Initially they will favour the voters, so change is always good for the voters.
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The likelihood of opposition winning the next election is very low. If they can gain more seats say 15-20, then they stand a better chance of being able to persuade more and better people to join them. I am sure more people will come into the ring when the chances of success is higher. By the election after next, they might have the candidates to form an alternative cabinet! Japan new ruling party was set up only 7 years ago. It took them only 2 elections to gain power! Hope springs eternal.
As for the foreign investors / govt, so long as our opposition candidates show themselves to be responsible politicians, I believe they are far more receptive towards changes of government than singaporeans.
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in Japan, the people were supremely pissed off by a totally inept and embarrasingly useless gabrament which shamed their nation when their late FM slurred his intoxicated way into the memories of the world...
it was more an election lost by the incumbent.. the opposition could put cardboard cut-outs and they'd win..
singaporeans are pissed off.. but not that pissed off yet with the MIW
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Oops! Sorry, factual error, DPJ was set up in 1998, not 7 yrs ago.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
in Japan, the people were supremely pissed off by a totally inept and embarrasingly useless gabrament which shamed their nation when their late FM slurred his intoxicated way into the memories of the world...
it was more an election lost by the incumbent.. the opposition could put cardboard cut-outs and they'd win..
singaporeans are pissed off.. but not that pissed off yet with the MIW
Hmm, I have come across similar comments on certain forums, about voting for dogs standing against the PAP. : )
I guess we won't know, will we, until elections. This time, I will be waiting up for the results.
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Originally posted by Hazel Poa:
Hmm, I have come across similar comments on certain forums, about voting for dogs standing against the PAP. : )
I guess we won't know, will we, until elections. This time, I will be waiting up for the results.
yeah..but really, i don't think people are that pissed off.. yet...
but they're really pushing their luck
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Originally posted by charlize:
If you vote for the incumbent party, it is almost confirmed that you will be screwed later on after the election - increase GST, increase ERP, lower wages (be cheaper!), higher cost of living, higher cost of flats, higher minister salaries etc.
Might as well try to vote in more opposition - at least there is a chance they can help reduce some of the screwing.
It's either take the first step to reforming the system or be perpetually stuck in a screwed up system.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
It's either take the first step to reforming the system or be perpetually stuck in a screwed up system.
I concur
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Originally posted by Hazel Poa:
The likelihood of opposition winning the next election is very low. If they can gain more seats say 15-20, then they stand a better chance of being able to persuade more and better people to join them. I am sure more people will come into the ring when the chances of success is higher. By the election after next, they might have the candidates to form an alternative cabinet! Japan new ruling party was set up only 7 years ago. It took them only 2 elections to gain power! Hope springs eternal.
As for the foreign investors / govt, so long as our opposition candidates show themselves to be responsible politicians, I believe they are far more receptive towards changes of government than singaporeans.
with a GRC or a few more seats in the parliament would be considered a win for the opposition. Rome is not built in one day. and I don't believe the opposition would turn the parliament up side down with a few more seats, but that will be a start to encourage more people to come into politics, that is a win.
If the opposition follow the step of Chiam, Low and Sylvia, meaning responsible, upright, then we will see more get elected, and more opposition leaders will emerge.
and if the ruling party do not take steps to address the concerns of the majority, then this will gradually lead to an opposition, may be a coalition that will really be a challenge to the PAP, more new opposition leaders will emerge.
Don't think the investors would take drastic action to withdraw from Singapore.
I think Singapore electorate is more diversified than the japs, we have the different races, even among the chinese there are those who are less westernized and would still be more concerned about stability, the upper middle and the rich who would not want to see stock market tumble because of a political change.
How vulnerable is Singapore? the first test is probably when the old lee kick the bucket.
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Current opposition leaders are not capable to form an effective government even if it wins the election. They are only aiming to win 1 or 2 GRCs and more single seats.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
with a GRC or a few more seats in the parliament would be considered a win for the opposition. Rome is not built in one day. and I don't believe the opposition would turn the parliament up side down with a few more seats, but that will be a start to encourage more people to come into politics, that is a win.
If the opposition follow the step of Chiam, Low and Sylvia, meaning responsible, upright, then we will see more get elected, and more opposition leaders will emerge.
and if the ruling party do not take steps to address the concerns of the majority, then this will gradually lead to an opposition, may be a coalition that will really be a challenge to the PAP, more new opposition leaders will emerge.
Don't think the investors would take drastic action to withdraw from Singapore.
I think Singapore electorate is more diversified than the japs, we have the different races, even among the chinese there are those who are less westernized and would still be more concerned about stability, the upper middle and the rich who would not want to see stock market tumble because of a political change.
How vulnerable is Singapore? the first test is probably when the old lee kick the bucket.
actually, i think if a few more responsible opposition fellas got in and we got a credible opposition movement going, the investors will like it even more..it would show that the Republic is more mature and is growing... which results in a more stable country...
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Originally posted by the Bear:
actually, i think if a few more responsible opposition fellas got in and we got a credible opposition movement going, the investors will like it even more..it would show that the Republic is more mature and is growing... which results in a more stable country...
hear! hear! -
the key words are "responsible" and "credible"
a lot of the opposition idiots are clowns, charlatans or thugs..
it is up to we, the people, to weed them out..
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Originally posted by complain or not:
No, so we're screwed either way. At least you know what you're getting with the PAP, so the shock won't be that bad
You got screwed by the PAP, and you will know how to prepare yourself for the next bigger screw that comes from the PAP - surely this should prepare you sufficiently with a higher threshold for any kind of pain from the Opposition - if it should come ?At least, if the nail is used in place of screws, the nail will be hammered home with short and sharp pain, unlike the screws that are turned into your meat.
What more shock can you expect ?
Are you not already sufficiently conditioned to any further shocks ?
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Originally posted by the Bear:
the key words are "responsible" and "credible"
a lot of the opposition idiots are clowns, charlatans or thugs..
it is up to we, the people, to weed them out..
well, there are two ways to look at this. since we cannot expect the opposition to be able to form a govt now, it would be good if the current govt can start listening to the people. how can we get that message across apart from voting opposition? i have tried their feedback units, wrote to ST forum, not getting anywhere. and i believe i am not the only one facing this frustration. Surely, if even "not-so-good" opposition candidates get elected they will start to take it more seriously?
Standing as an opposition candidate is not something that singaporeans take lightly, especially if you are having a comfortable life. So, as it is now, I feel any talk about weeding out opposition candidates is premature and counter productive.
While I also feel that there are some opposition members that I cannot agree with, to claim that "a lot of the opposition idiots are clowns, charlatans or thugs.." is unfair to many opposition members. Perhaps you have had the misfortune of meeting only those extreme examples, but please do not believe that most opposition members are idiots or clowns.
To put my views in context, I would like to declare that though I am not currently an opposition party member , i have friends / relatives who are, and from the way things are going, i will probably get pulled in as well sooner or later.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
i dunno.. afterwards they change the lock and they start fighting in the streets how?
Surely the resident ‘Drama Queen’ will know how to script the next scene ?
Originally posted by the Bear:in Japan, the people were supremely pissed off by a totally inept and embarrasingly useless gabrament which shamed their nation when their late FM slurred his intoxicated way into the memories of the world...
it was more an election lost by the incumbent.. the opposition could put cardboard cut-outs and they'd win..
singaporeans are pissed off.. but not that pissed off yet with the MIW
It is amazing to note your characteristic dramatic inclination never fails in your contemptuous psychopathic distastes towards the Singapore Opposition, that now seems to be a deep seated psychopathic contempt towards any Opposition from anywhere on this globe.Can the significant success of Yukio Hatoyama - with the historic upset in Japan's political dominance by the incumbent - be so easily dismissed by your contemptuous remarks to compare them with cardboard figures ?
Are you insulting the intelligence of the Japanese, who had overwhelmingly given their votes to PM-elect Yukio Hatoyama ?
Clearly by now, your true colors as an independent fence sitter is dubious, and is no better then a 'Fifth Columnist' sneaking into community to be a socio-politico saboteur to sabotage any building up of enthusiasm for the Opposition.
Originally posted by the Bear:
yeah..but really, i don't think people are that pissed off.. yet...
but they're really pushing their luck
"Singaporeans pushing their luck" ?
Said in defence of the PAP's political interests even supposedly as a political fence sitter ?
Originally posted by the Bear:
actually, i think if a few more responsible opposition fellas got in and we got a credible opposition movement going, the investors will like it even more..it would show that the Republic is more mature and is growing... which results in a more stable country...
With irresponsible political "fence sitters" pretending to be political commentators, is there any thinking ability to even know what makes the opposition to be "responsible" enough to satisfy its contemptuous psychopathic values about politics ?
What possibly can the word "credible" mean to a psychopath who reacts with such negativism to the words "Opposition" - even when it does not concern Singaporean politicians ?
Can the Republic be any more mature and growing when we have stunted and immature political commentators that are hung up with dramas ?
Can Singapore be stable when pretentious "fence sitting" political commentator is hung up as ‘Drama Queen’ to provide morale support to an insecure incumbent Ruling Party by consistently deriding the Alternative Parties ?
Originally posted by the Bear:the key words are "responsible" and "credible"
a lot of the opposition idiots are clowns, charlatans or thugs..
it is up to we, the people, to weed them out..
Can the Singapore or International Opposition Parties compare to the "irresponsible and incredible" performance of the resident ‘Drama Queen’ in this Speaker's Corner that pretend to be a "fence sitter" in politics ?
Nothing can compare to the resident clown acting as a ‘Drama Queen’ - strutting her stuff in a circus with a tyrant for a Ring Master, and getting it to act in its charlatan role as a "fence sitting" political commentator, while the thugs are waiting to conduct mid-night raids to incarcerate anyone under false charges.
Yes, we certainly need to weed out and expose the psychopaths who bear unusual personal deep seated contempt even towards Opposition figures from as far away as Japan, and will deride historic events with such contemptuous derisive manner.
Can a ‘Drama Queen’ do credibly better with her role in the Singapore Political Circus, or does it need the Ring Master's whip to guide her with her next act ?
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If the Oppositions really win the General Election, it is the decision of the Singaporeans and we will have to bear all circumstances. I hope the Oppositions can win a GRC first, run it and prove their capablilities.
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Originally posted by ahtansh:
If the Oppositions really win the General Election, it is the decision of the Singaporeans and we will have to bear all circumstances. I hope the Oppositions can win a GRC first, run it and prove their capablilities.
Good suggestion. I second that.