Originally posted by xtreyier:*SNIPS ALL THE RUBBISH FROM A COWARD*
The coward who does not even have the BASIC GUTS to admit his lack of knowledge, should admit his error before continuing on making stupid and non-credible remarks.
No one listens to you, because you are a pathetic self-delusion jackass. *lol*
This is a gentle reminder to the dumbass that he has not replied to the questions. If he doesn't reply, it further shows his lack of graciousness and blind ego
You still haven't answered the questions arising from your own self-limited knowledge (stupidity).
To date, it really says a lot about you. Continue humouring all of us with your monkey antics :D
I repeat a few of them here again just in case you feign dementia
Did you or did you not say the Thai Canal is a pipe dream when in fact, it's a real risk? Yes or No.
Did you or did you not say that Statistics is NOT a Science, when in fact, it's part of Mathematics which in turn is part of Science? Yes or No.
I gave you 2 SIMPLE questions to answer. Make it SO simple that even a fool can answer. If you STILL cannot acknowledge your errors, it speaks volumes about your graciousness and your blind ego. :D
Originally posted by soul_rage:Interesting views, though I would appreciate you make your posting more readable, such as limiting each paragraph to not more than 8 lines.
2 points, I wish to disagree, its all in relation to the white collar market
In my view, I can split the white collar market into 3 categories. The basic grads (avg), the above avg grads (doing better than the avg), and those grads that excel.
The basic grads ARE affected by the open door policy. PRC Nationals, and Indian Nationals, equipped with their local degree, come to Singapore and can easily push out any basic graduate (by virtue of cheaper labour). I can't comment for all industries, but I see Singaporeans in IT who are in the system development, and many other technical positions affected by this influx of foreigners
The above avg grads usually do well, because their skillset are still not replaceable by the cheaper grads from the other countries. Of course, the word is STILL. Those foreigners are fast catching up, given more and more exposure to the global market.
From what I see, for grads that excel in their field, some will probably stay in Singapore (esp those with a scholarship), or leave Singapore to find better paying positions. The wages in Singapore are suppressed to an extent, such that top grads who are not govt scholars are disgruntled that their counterparts in the govt are earning much more, and will move out of Singapore to find better paying positions.
So I disagree with you that white collar workers are not affected. On the contrary, white collar are getting affected more and more as the time goes by.
And of course, there are those who are above 40 years old. Singapore practises AGE discrimination, such that if you are over 40, you are considered too expensive (or as the govt encourages us to think, become stupid), and have to accept lower pay.
This is something I WILL NOT accept, and hence, I am out of Singapore before I hit that age and find myself getting discriminated in the jobs market.
haha, you sounded like a school teacher.
i agree with your >40y/o view. that said, i am not sure if this is unique to singapore. i have acquaintances over40 down under who relate to me that altho' one is not obliged to put age in his/her resume, they still have a higher risk of getting cut in the interview process in favor of younger ones; for different reasons.
to an extent, i also agree with the views of the influx of overseas degree holders into singapore and the relative ease in which they land jobs. this is another area that irks me as it has a potentially disastrous side effect. the net result of this is, singapore is not getting what they have bargained for, i.e. contributing residents.
case in point, an aquaintance here from mainland china now residing in melbourne have told me the relative ease of degree holders landing a job in sgp. both the husband and wife, after deciding to leave china a few years ago, landed jobs in singapore with relative ease. in fact, the hubby got a cushy lecturing job at ntu. and the singapore government too is pretty easy in school placement for their kids in top schools. the elder of the 2 was in a top institution in bishan (i supposed if your dad is a uni lecturer and you are from china, you must be smart). in truth, they openly admitted that singapore is never their top destination. with the relative wealth they amassed in singapore and obviously more polished english, they made their move to australia 2 years ago. i harbour no ill will against them. i would do the same if my circumstance were like theirs. what's interesting is many of these chinese nationals have the same line of thought. i believe the indians too.it's a known fact that singapore is a stepping stone. and a kind one at that.
the kiasi and kiasu mentality of the singapore government mentality, which old lee admitted to, that it's better to admit lots and hopefully singapore will still get remnants of these` foreign talents' calling singapore home than not do so; would be singapore's undoing, imo. could it be that singapore tacitly admit that it did not have the necessary quality and conditions to attract the best to its shore; hence the need to `cast the net wide'?
the impact of these free-flowing inbound immigrants have cast wide aspersions amongst singaporeans. whether this is something that the government either overlooked or did not anticipate; it's shortcoming is for all to see.
Originally posted by redDUST:i think the wage debate needs to be discussed in perspective. the discussion so far is in general terms.
for a large proportion of blue collar jobs, the singapore government did not see it as beneficial `to pay more'. in fact, it doesn't make sense to try to retain this on the island. that's why a lot of contract manufacturing work has moved elsewhere. why, even malaysia finds it hard to compete with the likes of china and vietnam. especially in the unskilled sector, this is the most brutal of the lot. as these jobs are highly replaceable, and rightly the generally educated singaporean would shun these jobs. why would an `o' level singaporean sweep the floor? or at least that's what most singaporeans would think. arguably, if one pays the o level singapore acceptable wage, he/she may want to do it. but it will also push up the overall salaries scale of other job. hence, the foreigners in the neighbouring countries fill this gap. the salaries here unfortunately are depressed to near subsistence level by singapore standard. to a certain extent, this has a ripple effect on the skilled blue collar sector, where i believe the majority of singaporeans are affected. in the skilled blue collared sector, skills and technical knowledge upgrading are still paramount to maintain singapore's competitiveness in the market place. for instance, in the shipping or electronics industry, it is critical singapore maintain a competitive edge in efficiency and productivity. that said, the opening of the floodgate by singapore in the last few years attracted many of these skilled workers from neighbouring countries over. whereas in the past, predominantly malaysians are favored by the singapore government to `fill these gaps', now, it is not unusual to see other english-speaking nationals like filipinos and indians coming over and compete for these jobs. and these workers will continue to come in droves for as long as the singapore government keeps an open door policy. the wages here gotten by these foreigners, though manageably low by singapore standards, still represents a quantum increase from where they came from. and there are not that many jobs available either in those countries. no wonder they flocked in and singapore welcomes them with open arms as these people fill a gap and yet maintain an acceptable wage structure for singapore to be competitive. singaporeans in these skilled blue collar sector, unfortunately, are caught between a rock and a hard place. that's why there are increasingly more disgruntled singaporeans. and as the immigration policy continues to be relaxed, the majority of singaporeans will continued to be sidelined.
in white collar jobs, wages are not exactly depressed. professionals with a few years of experience are still getting good wages. i think any singaporean with a degree worth his/her salt should be able to compete reasonably well and live the good life. unfortunately, singapore still see a need to maintain a facade that it is an international or regional centre in this part of the world by having many expartriates to keep up with the image. obviously, the high salary comes with the package.
i think the singapore government maintain a strategic view of wage/vocation in overall scheme of things.
blue collared unskilled/highly replaceable jobs - cheapest possible wage
blue collared skilled - managed wage strategy, higher than neighbouring countries but not outpriced in the market place
white collared - market rate
my grouse is that the government did not weigh in its moral and social accountability to the citizens more. to me, social cohesion is equally important in maintaining providing a good balance in the overall health of the country. i know it is a fine line between appeasing its citizens and doing the right thing for the long term survival of the country. in this case, i think singapore erred.
There are some points in your post that seem a bit unclear and contestable.
Firstly, the white collared ( I'm not sure if I like that term or not) market rate notion contradicts the Cheaper, Better, Faster strategy of competing. After all, Singapore does not compete in the "unskilled" sectors. Hence, being CBF in the unskilled sectors may have little impact.
Secondly, the white collar jobs which are significantly more high paying, there is also more retention. Experience and qualifications in these areas are harder to come by, and hence companies benefit from retraining and upgrading these professionals. The skilled blue collars on the other hand, as you mentioned, suffer from more hire and fire policies.
Maybe more clarification and punctuations would help! =D
Originally posted by Shotgun:There are some points in your post that seem a bit unclear and contestable.
Firstly, the white collared ( I'm not sure if I like that term or not) market rate notion contradicts the Cheaper, Better, Faster strategy of competing. After all, Singapore does not compete in the "unskilled" sectors. Hence, being CBF in the unskilled sectors may have little impact.
Secondly, the white collar jobs which are significantly more high paying, there is also more retention. Experience and qualifications in these areas are harder to come by, and hence companies benefit from retraining and upgrading these professionals. The skilled blue collars on the other hand, as you mentioned, suffer from more hire and fire policies.
Maybe more clarification and punctuations would help! =D
you ought to know by now that what swee say said is not an all encompassing statement. otherwise, he will be shooting himself in the foot.
the unskilled sector is more of a neccessary evil. singapore doesn't `compete' per se. who else will keep the hdb corridors clean and clear your rubbish chute?
Again there are misintrepretation of Swee Say "Cheap", It does not mean cheap labour or lowering of salary, please bear that in mind, perhaps, the next i meet up with Swee Say, i will tell him to refrain from using this word. Not a popular at all. And when you look at it, it also resemble CPF in short term which is also an arguemental issue, Cheap, Better and Fast////.......CBF.
Cheap alway gives people a vision of being low, i suggest word like Conserve, Save, or even Mean could had been better.
Originally posted by redDUST:you ought to know by now that what swee say said is not an all encompassing statement. otherwise, he will be shooting himself in the foot.
the unskilled sector is more of a neccessary evil. singapore doesn't `compete' per se. who else will keep the hdb corridors clean and clear your rubbish chute?
U r absolutely right,
Foreign immigration fall under the same catergory as our class diffferentiation, the lower class, where most are workpermit holders, the sandwich group, where most are PRs living in HDB, and the RIch Class with E or S employement pass.
The problem facing local are basically focusing on the Middle class, ie the PRs, the question now is, are they really needed in singapore, as for the lower class, no question about it, they are needed and only a merely 10% make it to PR status. As for the Rich class, they are travellers who just want to make money at every opportunities, currently our property market surge have attracted many of them, but they are not permannent.
In breakdown immigrants, we are in better position to focus on the excessive group, and that is the PRs, the question now are, do we need so many PRs? Is the purpose giving PR status able to truly help our economy. Or is that PRs is for the sole purpose of adding population.
Originally posted by angel7030:Again there are misintrepretation of Swee Say "Cheap", It does not mean cheap labour or lowering of salary, please bear that in mind, perhaps, the next i meet up with Swee Say, i will tell him to refrain from using this word. Not a popular at all. And when you look at it, it also resemble CPF in short term which is also an arguemental issue, Cheap, Better and Fast////.......CBF.
Cheap alway gives people a vision of being low, i suggest word like Conserve, Save, or even Mean could had been better.
That is a fair argument since he did elaborate on the cost-effectiveness of the workforce and economy. Hence you are right that "Cheap" is a pretty bad choice of words.
"Cheap" coming from the labor chief comment on labor has a bad connotation of "cheap labor." If that means driving down wages, then I think he's got the strategy wrong.
But as it appears, he does "say" that the emphasis will be on cost effectiveness, and would push towards more retraining. This is a positive effort towards upgrading the skills of the work force.
There is two polar ways of achieving cost effectiveness, and a spectrum in between. On one end is in reducing the costs. That would mean labor costs will have to go down. On the other end is increasing productivity. Either way, it is the ratio that is of interest.
However, lowering labor costs or wage cuts would be absolutely horrible when standards and costs of living are rising. Hence, the only alternative is to lean towards increasing productivity by upgrading the workforce and industries. In other words, LSS 's speech would be agreeable if his interpretation of "Cheap" was to increase cost effectiveness without wage cuts.
Originally posted by redDUST:haha, you sounded like a school teacher.
i agree with your >40y/o view. that said, i am not sure if this is unique to singapore. i have acquaintances over40 down under who relate to me that altho' one is not obliged to put age in his/her resume, they still have a higher risk of getting cut in the interview process in favor of younger ones; for different reasons.
to an extent, i also agree with the views of the influx of overseas degree holders into singapore and the relative ease in which they land jobs. this is another area that irks me as it has a potentially disastrous side effect. the net result of this is, singapore is not getting what they have bargained for, i.e. contributing residents.
case in point, an aquaintance here from mainland china now residing in melbourne have told me the relative ease of degree holders landing a job in sgp. both the husband and wife, after deciding to leave china a few years ago, landed jobs in singapore with relative ease. in fact, the hubby got a cushy lecturing job at ntu. and the singapore government too is pretty easy in school placement for their kids in top schools. the elder of the 2 was in a top institution in bishan (i supposed if your dad is a uni lecturer and you are from china, you must be smart). in truth, they openly admitted that singapore is never their top destination. with the relative wealth they amassed in singapore and obviously more polished english, they made their move to australia 2 years ago. i harbour no ill will against them. i would do the same if my circumstance were like theirs. what's interesting is many of these chinese nationals have the same line of thought. i believe the indians too.it's a known fact that singapore is a stepping stone. and a kind one at that.
the kiasi and kiasu mentality of the singapore government mentality, which old lee admitted to, that it's better to admit lots and hopefully singapore will still get remnants of these` foreign talents' calling singapore home than not do so; would be singapore's undoing, imo. could it be that singapore tacitly admit that it did not have the necessary quality and conditions to attract the best to its shore; hence the need to `cast the net wide'?
the impact of these free-flowing inbound immigrants have cast wide aspersions amongst singaporeans. whether this is something that the government either overlooked or did not anticipate; it's shortcoming is for all to see.
Din mean to be a teacher, just that you have good views, but need to put it in a more readable mode so that others don't miss it :) Otherwise it would be a great waste.
The Govt either overlooked, did not anticipate, or chose to ignore the problems of free-flow of inbound immigrants. I cannot say this is a fact, but somehow I feel that they are using foreigners as a leverage against the locals. By converting a foreigner into a citizen, usually these folks have a higher probability of voting for the PAP during election time. Therefore, I view this as essentially a tactic to dilute the local's voting power.
In addition, I feel that the age discrimination here is worse than overseas. It is true that you may be discriminated against during an interview, but AT LEAST you have the opportunity to impress the interviewers. In Singapore, there is a high probability that once you hit over 40s, you don't even have the opportunity to attend the interview, coz they would have discriminated against you right from the start.
Coming back to the foreign talent policy, I had a friend who has immigrated to down under, who has a Korean wife. During his time working in Singapore, his Korean wife, after marrying him, also came to Singapore to work. Initially she was worried that as a foreigner, it would be more difficult to find a job (like in Korea), but the headhunter assured her that PRECISELY BECOZ she is a foreigner, she would stand a better chance of getting a job than the locals. This is how the situation is in Singapore. This friend is so peeved with the Govt, that he is now in Australia, coz he is protesting at how Singapore has turned against its own population.
As a citizen, I feel we are becoming 2nd-class. This influx of foreigners does not hurt me, coz the job I am doing is not something the Chinese or Indians can do in the next decade or so. However, I am very concerned with how I see our fellow Singaporeans losing their jobs to the foreigners at all levels.
It's no joke that the resident population's unemployment rate is higher than the foreigners in Singapore.
Originally posted by Shotgun:That is a fair argument since he did elaborate on the cost-effectiveness of the workforce and economy. Hence you are right that "Cheap" is a pretty bad choice of words.
"Cheap" coming from the labor chief comment on labor has a bad connotation of "cheap labor." If that means driving down wages, then I think he's got the strategy wrong.
But as it appears, he does "say" that the emphasis will be on cost effectiveness, and would push towards more retraining. This is a positive effort towards upgrading the skills of the work force.
There is two polar ways of achieving cost effectiveness, and a spectrum in between. On one end is in reducing the costs. That would mean labor costs will have to go down. On the other end is increasing productivity. Either way, it is the ratio that is of interest.
However, lowering labor costs or wage cuts would be absolutely horrible when standards and costs of living are rising. Hence, the only alternative is to lean towards increasing productivity by upgrading the workforce and industries. In other words, LSS 's speech would be agreeable if his interpretation of "Cheap" was to increase cost effectiveness without wage cuts.
There are 2 polar ways of achieving cost effectiveness. The easier one is the method of cutting costs. The other is much more difficult.
I see most firms being short-sighted (concerned with the NOW than the FUTURE), therefore, I think most firms would interprete our Union chief's words with "cutting costs".
Good luck to all of us.
Originally posted by soul_rage:There are 2 polar ways of achieving cost effectiveness. The easier one is the method of cutting costs. The other is much more difficult.
I see most firms being short-sighted (concerned with the NOW than the FUTURE), therefore, I think most firms would interprete our Union chief's words with "cutting costs".
Good luck to all of us.
Mass immigration is making Singapore feel like a foreign land even I have live here more than 70 years.
It's not a good sign. With pent up frustration, I fear to see another bloody event in this soil again.
Originally posted by Chew Bakar:Mass immigration is making Singapore feel like a foreign land even I have live here more than 70 years.
It's not a good sign. With pent up frustration, I fear to see another bloody event in this soil again.
Not to dispute your feelings, of which you do have a right to feel that I must respect, I find it hard to comprehend why would 30% of immigrants that now makes up our population would make you or anyone else feel as if you are living in a foreign land.
Furthermore, we are a tourist, education, economic hubs as well as building massive infrastructures on our land for couples starting out in new homes, as well as future employment in such structures, there will be a MASSIVE inflow of foreigners on island, today and in the future too.
In your past, the foreign elements were small, but so then was wages and a way of life. But we had progress beyond the 5 foot walkways, just as the world had progress beyond typewriters, so too must we adapt if we are to survive.
I am truly sorry you feel that way, of the good old peaceful kampong days where mostly were uneducated not because of choice but due to lack in money and opportunities, but not many would want to relieve those days ever again, of uncertainties, low wages, smelly drains, little public infracstrutures and amenities. Not even aircon or costly cathode ray tubed TVs, nostalgic though it may be. Even if we stopped immigration today, kick out foriegners, if we tried. No one.....sorry pops.
But if you can change your mindset, and adapt, life may still be rewarding for you as you will get to open up yourself and soak in the new cultures and progress you and our forefathers who had work so hard to achieve and bestowed upon us.
Originally posted by Chew Bakar:Mass immigration is making Singapore feel like a foreign land even I have live here more than 70 years.
It's not a good sign. With pent up frustration, I fear to see another bloody event in this soil again.
you over 70 yrs old liao meh?
Originally posted by xtreyier:
Not to dispute your feelings, of which you do have a right to feel that I must respect, I find it hard to comprehend why would 30% of immigrants that now makes up our population would make you or anyone else feel as if you are living in a foreign land.Furthermore, we are a tourist, education, economic hubs as well as building massive infrastructures on our land for couples starting out in new homes, as well as future employment in such structures, there will be a MASSIVE inflow of foreigners on island, today and in the future too.
In your past, the foreign elements were small, but so then was wages and a way of life. But we had progress beyond the 5 foot walkways, just as the world had progress beyond typewriters, so too must we adapt if we are to survive.
I am truly sorry you feel that way, of the good old peaceful kampong days where mostly were uneducated not because of choice but due to lack in money and opportunities, but not many would want to relieve those days ever again, of uncertainties, low wages, smelly drains, little public infracstrutures and amenities. Not even aircon or costly cathode ray tubed TVs, nostalgic though it may be. Even if we stopped immigration today, kick out foriegners, if we tried. No one.....sorry pops.
But if you can change your mindset, and adapt, life may still be rewarding for you as you will get to open up yourself and soak in the new cultures and progress you and our forefathers who had work so hard to achieve and bestowed upon us.
If I have not change my mindset, I won't be able to communicate with you on this forum.
You have seen the foaming of discontent even in this forum and this type of stored up frustration can be dangerous.
I'll reiterate that I just did wish to see bloodshed. That's my concern.
I have stated my view as an old man on this change.
Thanks for your concern.
Originally posted by soul_rage:
Coming back to the foreign talent policy, I had a friend who has immigrated to down under, who has a Korean wife. During his time working in Singapore, his Korean wife, after marrying him, also came to Singapore to work. Initially she was worried that as a foreigner, it would be more difficult to find a job (like in Korea), but the headhunter assured her that PRECISELY BECOZ she is a foreigner, she would stand a better chance of getting a job than the locals. This is how the situation is in Singapore. This friend is so peeved with the Govt, that he is now in Australia, coz he is protesting at how Singapore has turned against its own population.
true case...
i have a (close) malay female friend from the uni who's got a great entrepreneurial mind. in fact, she was featured prominantly once in the berita harian as a young malay woman businessperson to watch.
she started a consultancy business after a few years in the work force. one of her target segments is in education, whereas she counts the moe, private institutions as potential customers.
in the first 8 months, she struggles to get pass moe's door, despite her credentials and good ideas. however, all that change soon after.
what gives?
she hires a finnish lady business associate as a front to her business. suddenly, people like moe wanted to talk to the consultancy.
when she recounted her experience to me, she may have said it with a wry smile, but the bitterness in her expression is obvious.
the pinkerton syndrome starts at the top. and the situation is hopeless.
Originally posted by redDUST:true case...
i have a (close) malay female friend from the uni who's got a great entrepreneurial mind. in fact, she was featured prominantly once in the berita harian as a young malay woman businessperson to watch.
she started a consultancy business after a few years in the work force. one of her target segments is in education, whereas she counts the moe, private institutions as potential customers.
in the first 8 months, she struggles to get pass moe's door, despite her credentials and good ideas. however, all that change soon after.
what gives?
she hires a finnish lady business associate as a front to her business. suddenly, people like moe wanted to talk to the consultancy.
when she recounted her experience to me, she may have said it with a wry smile, but the bitterness in her expression is obvious.
the pinkerton syndrome starts at the top. and the situation is hopeless.
I'm not really surprised, SE and East Asia practiced what we understand as reversed racism where locals are looked upon as imcompetent and any Westerner are look upon as generally superior and creative.
I have heard of some Hong Kong companies hiring Westerners just to give briefings to China officials because if they used a local to give the presentation the officials tend to be more inquisitive and not trust the local presenter as much. I won't be surprised if it's practiced here as well.
We may not be a British Colony anymore but we sure as hell behave like one.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I'm not really surprised, SE and East Asia practiced what we understand as reversed racism where locals are looked upon as imcompetent and any Westerner are look upon as generally superior and creative.I have heard of some Hong Kong companies hiring Westerners just to give briefings to China officials because if they used a local to give the presentation the officials tend to be more inquisitive and not trust the local presenter as much. I won't be surprised if it's practiced here as well.
We may not be a British Colony anymore but we sure as hell behave like one.
The worst thing is, this is not just restricted to foreigners from the West
Just bring in a Korean, Japanese, Hong Kong-er, and our local talent will be discriminated against.
And even worse, this is by our own govt.
How is it that citizens come first? I don't get it. I don't feel any sense of belonging coz we are second-class (as citizens ironically) in our own country.
Some people asked me why i prefer to work overseas and get discriminated against since I am a foreigner? I never did tell them that discrimination begins at home. Therefore working overseas make more sense. At least I am an expat here, and I am proudly representing Singapore in this intl org.
Back home, there is no pride to being a Singaporean.
I remember back in the school days, during project work, I could produce the ideas within a team, brought it to life in words and actions, organise the presentation simply so that all or at least, most can understand.
Unfortunately, when the time came to appear on stage to make my presentation, I frozed, and stammered my way through. Lecturers and collegues were disappointed. They studied and followed through my concepts and know it was right and good. But during the presentation, the most critical aspect before a larger audience, I failed.
It took me many times before I found out and corrected my flaws, and subsequently made good in my career for my work and my articulation in the presence of others, regardless of whoever they old - the common man or the chief executive.
I blamed no one for my initial flaws. If we fail to critically correct our own flaws, we will forever be doom and ostracized by other, laughed at, more so by our own peers and people, for we may be able fool foriegners, but we cant fool our own.
Originally posted by xtreyier:I remember back in the school days, during project work, I could produce the ideas within a team, brought it to life in words and actions, organise the presentation simply so that all or at least, most can understand.
Unfortunately, when the time came to appear on stage to make my presentation, I frozed, and stammered my way through. Lecturers and collegues were disappointed. They studied and followed through my concepts and know it was right and good. But during the presentation, the most critical aspect before a larger audience, I failed.
It took me many times before I found out and corrected my flaws, and subsequently made good in my career for my work and my articulation in the presence of others, regardless of whoever they old - the common man or the chief executive.
I blamed no one for my initial flaws. If we fail to critically correct our own flaws, we will forever be doom and ostracized by other, laughed at, more so by our own peers and people, for we may be able fool foriegners, but we cant fool our own.
Lots of rubbish coming from a coward who refuse to admit his lack of knowledge (stupidity)
For one who don't even have the guts to admit his ignorance, It's a marvel you actually found out about your flaws.
*lol*
"Statistics is NOT Science' - xtreyier
The X-rated pseudo-intellectual fraud never fail to amuse it wished for audience by providing unsolicited entertainment to delude itself of its role as a government spokesperson addressing its dream audience.
Is this message not another one of its bankrupt messages that is nothing more then hot gas produced from its intimate knowledge of its piece of plagiarized turd - which some idle bankrupt mind had let its creativity go astray, and only to be picked up by a X-rated pseudo-intellect ?
Originally posted by xtreyier:
For simpler understandings using simple words.
1. There is no way our govt would be concerned with only grads, and then leave the non-grads on their own with low wages or die out, simply because we are a democracy. Such concepts are more likely in dictatorships such as China or Mynmar, where the rich are encouraged to get richer, and the poor kept in poverty under control thru the use of the bullet.
What democracy is the X-rated pseudo-mouthpiece of the PAP intend to blow hot gas into its wished for audience ?
Does democracy exist in the manner that more advance democracies know it to be, or is the "democracy a'la LKY style ' existing in Singapore not another institution that has been bastaridised into a miscreant that only a X-rated pseudo-intellect will boast with its pathetic ignorance ?
" Repression, Sir is a habit that grows. I am told it is like making love-it is always easier the second time! The first time there may be pangs of conscience, a sense of guilt. But once embarked on this course with constant repetition you get more and more brazen in the attack. All you have to do is to dissolve organizations and societies and banish and detain the key political workers in these societies. Then miraculously everything is tranquil on the surface. Then an intimidated press and the government-controlled radio together can regularly sing your praises, and slowly and steadily the people are made to forget the evil things that have already been done, or if these things are referred to again they're conveniently distorted and distorted with impunity, because there will be no opposition to contradict." - Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition PAP member during 1956 speaking to David Marshall
Is it not ironical that this should be said by MM LKY in his more youthful days as an Opposition, only to have his personal views accomplished to the letter when he became the Prime Minister ?
Surely, we can believe the words of a X-rated fraud acting on behalf of the PAP to claim that Singapore is a Democracy.
Any democratic govt that follow such concepts will find themselves booted out long, and would not have survived for 50+years in our free election State.
Do we need a X-rated pseudo-intellect to white-wash all the political gerrymandering of the PAP at each election conducted since the 1960s, and taking more extreme forms as through each election for the last 40 over years ?
Only a X-rated pseudo-intellect that prefer to imbibe on its opium of delusionary PAP propaganda will believe that there is free and fair election conducted in Singapore - when the print and broadcast media is controlled by the incumbent political party, with its tentacle controls spread across the entire government machinery that lay the political ground work for its own election success before any elections, by hampering the activities of all Singapore Alternative Political Parties to have equal access to reach out to Singaporeans.
2. The manufacturing process and its viability depends on many factors, not just wide opened area alone. Russia attempted to build industrial zones, even in Siberia, which is a joke and will only waste investors money as the final product will be costly due to high transportation costs.
Only the foolishness of a X-rated pseudo-intellect will create a joke with the foolish comparison of comparing Russia's attempts to build industrial zone in Siberia with Singapore's industrialization.
Are they comparable - considering that the artic cold presents a totally different environment, or is this not another "hot gassed" attempt to make an irrelevant and inappropriate comparison to buffer a hollow argument that a bankrupt mind cannot defend without the use of its characteristic "hot gas" ?
Russia's attempt to open up Siberia is similar to Singapore's attempt to open up the swamp and recover land from the sea to build Singapore's Jurong Industrial Estate, can the opening up of Siberia cost more than the cost of landfill in Singapore ?
What is the measure of success that a X-rated pseudo-intellect can have in mind to compare Russia's Siberia with Singapore - when it has obvious zilch knowledge in the differences in the political, social, and industrial goals that Russia has intended for Siberia with those that Singapore has for Jurong ?
While the X-rated pseudo-intellect will uselessly spout worthless self-deluding false information - ‘private Malaysian capital is cashing into the artic regions that Russia is determined to open up’ (*1); and ‘which also saw then PM M. Mahathir visiting Russia to review Malaysian businesses in Siberia and the Far East’ (*2); and these are followed by South Korea, Japanese and Hong Kong private funding in the businesses of tapping the vast Siberian natural resources in minerals, oil and gas.
In Singapore, we had realized that competition will be stiff in comming years way back in the 80s. We are still in the best geographical location to make the best of profits in terms of manufacturing to end user, provided we go for high value products with our intelligent workforce and leave the labour intensive productions to our neighbours.
Obviously, the X-rated plagiarizing expert took a leaf from the references in the last response made by yours truly, but without the circumspect nor ability to develop the knowledge into something of more substance, originality and appropriateness.
What higher value products has the X-rated pseudo-intellect have in mind when the Government - and its controlled NTUC puppet - will want "our intelligent workforce" to work in an insecure 3 to 5 year work contract arrangements to acheive the deluded slogan of "cheaper, better and faster" services and attain "higher productivity" ?
Is Singapore's geographical location of any relevance when land and operating costs is high, and where the latest ‘Mercer’s 2009 Global Survey of Cost of Living’ (*3) has shown Singapore ranked as the 10 most expensive city in the World - while previously expensive cities has become more competitive as seen in new lower cost of living ranking : Los Angeles ranked 23rd, and San Francisco ranked 34th, Sydney ranked 66th
The Chinamen, are like us genetically. They are currently a force to be reckon with in terms of economic output in any product, either now or within years.
In order to survvie, we may not be able to compete on the small landsize we own, but we are stacking the factories high, creating more space for industrialists to set up shop here, filling the low skill jobs with cheap foriegn labour and increasing the pool of employment for our own citizens in mid management positions that we would never had if we had not 'stack em high'.
What relevance does the X-rated pseudo-intellect intend by claiming genetic relations with the Chinamen in any hoped for genetical similarity ?
With the bulk of Singaporeans coming from the southern provinces of Guangzhou and Fukien - which genetical similarity does the X-rated pseudo-intellect hope to have when the large and varied genetic make-up of the 100 Billion Chinese is made up of peoples from several provinces - that stretched from the Western Asiatic types, to the northern Mongolians, and those North-Eastern Chinamen ?
Will the X-rated pseudo-intellect challenge MM LKY's views of the development of the human kind ?
"I started off believing all men were equal. I now know that's the most unlikely thing ever to have been, because millions of years have passed over evolution, people have scattered across the face of this earth, been isolated from each other, developed independently, had different intermixtures between races, peoples, climates, soils... I didn't start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I've come to." - Lee Kuan Yew, The Man & His Ideas, 1997
Can stacking up the factories in Singapore provide any cheaper manufacturing space per square meter ?
If it has been so eloquently imitated in the previous paragraph that Singapore should change to "higher value products with our intelligent workforce" - should factories be stacked-up to be used in "filling the low skill jobs with cheap foriegn labour" ?
At the same time, we had been the forefront of seeking technological improvements, being one of the best research centres in asia, with talents that discoveries will become a spinoff for market production quickly within our shores.
For one that demand substantative references in one's responses, none seems to be offered by the X-rated pseudo-intellect that can only spout 'hot gassed' propaganda without any ability to discern the details.
"Let us not deceive ourselves: our talent profile is nowhere near that of, say, the Jews or the Japanese in America. The exceptional number of Nobel Prize winners who are Jews is no accident. It is also no accident that a high percentage, sometimes 50%, of faculty members in the top American universities on both the east and west coasts are Jews. And the number of high calibre Japanese academics, professionals, and business executives is out of all proportion to the percentage of Japanese in the total American population." - Lee Kuan Yew, 1982
3. Manufacturing is but only one of our assets. There are other assets, such as our service sectors that other countries will find it hard to compete, not that competition do not exists.
We are at the crossroad of asia, a shipping entreport with all kinds of goods avaliable, various amenities for any traveller on short or long term biz stays. It contributes to our economy as well as provide jobs for our fellow citizens, both grads and non grads.
Do we have to compete with other countries, or do we have to compete with foreign expatriates who are given easy access under the disguise of "foreign talents" ?
No matter what bullshit had been said about foreigners taking over such positions, the FACT remains that a qouta system is in place for these competitors, and within the electorate control come election time. The foreigners that exists in this sector are only to make up for the shortfall of places our citizens may be shunning for one reason or the other, not just the wage itself and should be studied and remedied.
So far, our polices had been successful in attracting travellers to our shores, and will continue to be the way.
Can the X-rated faud substantiate what it claims to be 'FACT' that there is a "quota system" in place to prevent "foreigners taking over such positions" ?
Obviously the X-rated ignoramus is unaware of statements that even a Singapore Expat relocation specialist is more knowledgeable with and will state that:-
"Some suitable career opportunities in the financial sector includes treasury and risk management, funds management, general debt issuance, investment analysis, corporate financial, venture capital, cross- border electronic banking, insurance, investment banking and tax planning. Other service industries include transport, logistics, media and advertising, F&B, wholesale and retail, healthcare, education, social/ community services."
4.So it is not all doom and gloom for the grad and non-grad citizen, or the need to be demoralized. The self admitted piece of Turd here, a turncoat and a commie bastard asshole wiper, will attempt to spread her commie whitewashing here as proven by her previous posts.
To believe her will only lead one to killing himself and others, that it is game over. She herself have no courage to face the future, to be adaptable and believes that no changes should be made. This will be her doom. But not a necessary belief we should suscribe to, nor something our elected officials believe so.
Can the pathetic cry of a desparate X-rated pseudo-intellect be of any use when it has been repeatedly trounced as a fraud, who can only retaliate with irreverent burst of frustrated insults - with words that reflect its own intimate knowledge of turd that can only come from its infatuation with a word which it cannot create but must plagiarize from one who is as impotent as the X-rated fraud ?
It is pathetic that a dumb, gullible and undiscerning X-rate pseudo-intellect will claim that others "believes that no change should be made" - when it is the X-rated fraud who will defend the PAP and insist that change is unnecessary but to maintain the political status quo that has led Singapore to the present and continued future low wage environment.
The X-rated pseudo-intellect that has been repeatedly proven to be a fraud, and will now attempt to deflect from the fact that it is afraid to change the political status quo when the PAP had scrapped the ‘Singapore’s Economic Development Plan for the Eighties’ – Parliamentary Report No 5, Session No 1, Vol 40, Sitting No 6 – 1981-03-06 (*6) that had recommended - "high wages from higher value added products and services for a secure future".
This plan was scrapped by then DPM LHL in his 1998 report to Parliament - when he had stated that - ‘High wage increases during the boom years of the early 1980s had been built into fixed wages. Workers expected these to be permanent and had planned on that basis. The increases could not be cut back when conditions changed and companies could no longer afford to pay as generously. As a result we suffered a sharper recession than we needed to.’ (*7)
This had resulted in the Flexi-Wage Plan that saw Singaporean Workers wages and CPF contributions cut up into fixxed and flexible components; and subsequently this was tweaked into Flexible Work Contracts of 3 to 5 years - all designed to benefit Employers.
Without any clue as to how to bring Singapore into the future while insisting to continue with the politics of suppressing wages and encouraging the idiocy in the distraction with a slogan to be "cheaper, better and faster" - change is not to be expected even from the PAP.
It is surprising that a separate 2006 report titled - ‘Lessons from “Benchmark” Countries: Korea & Ireland’ – Shandre M Thangavelu and Hu Guangzhou, Singapore Centre for Applied and Policy Economics, Department of Economics, National University of Singapore (*8) - had stated that "the open economies of Ireland and Korea, and reported their success in tackling the skills shortage problems faced by their economies and have adjusted their industrial structures to produce higher value-added activities."
Can the X-rated Fraud substantiate its desparate claims and redeem any credibility to its characteristic outlandish statements that it will not even dare to qualify ?
The X-rated Fraud can only be an outlaw to its own hypocritical pseudo-high values.
5. I ask not that you believe my words, but to take a look at the reality around you and ascertain the facts yourself. This is a crisis now or at least at its tail end. We had made many sacrifices and pulled through. We must stay nimble and adaptable for survival.
Can the words of a X-rated pseudo-intellect be trusted, when it has been consistently proven to be a fraud for its consitent inability to substantiate its hollow statements and wild claims, and its deafening silence to issues that have been rebutted ?
For one who will ask not to believe in its words, it is hypocritical that it will accept others to listen to its condescending call for anyone to "stay nimble and adaptable for survival" - as if it is the only intelligent one that exist.
No one knows the future, but no one will be or had been left behind in our society as we do battle. We have the best brains in govt and the civil service. CBF, unmisinterpretated, is the only way to go now till a clearer picture emerges from the ashes of our current world financial crisis.
It is only obvious that while the X-rated Fraud indulges with grandstanding to its wished for wider audience with its grand speeches filled with hot gas, it will forget that MM LKY knows the future for Singapore - and has predicted that there will be 3 per cent growth by mid-2010.
If CBF is the only way to go, it is surprising that no other Ministers is tagging on to the idiotic slogan created by a miscreant that is idolised by the foolish gullible mind of an entusiastic X-rated Fraud that is ever willing to plagiarize another line from the PAP.
The choice to be demoralized or give our best shot without rolling over and say die is within your hands. No one will be left behind unless they want to be left behind.
Has no one been left behind in Singapore Society as the Singapore Ministers over pay themselves while expecting Singaporeans to work "cheaper, better and faster" - even as they ignore the High Cost of Living in Singapore that make us the 10th most expensive City in the World to live in ?
Only a hypocritical fool in the X-rated Fraudulent Rat will expect Singaporeans to roll over and say "Cheaper, Better and Faster" - while the PAP and LKY will want to continuously interfere in our Lives, our Savings, and OUR FUTURE.
Originally posted by xtreyier:
Not to dispute your feelings, of which you do have a right to feel that I must respect, I find it hard to comprehend why would 30% of immigrants that now makes up our population would make you or anyone else feel as if you are living in a foreign land.Furthermore, we are a tourist, education, economic hubs as well as building massive infrastructures on our land for couples starting out in new homes, as well as future employment in such structures, there will be a MASSIVE inflow of foreigners on island, today and in the future too.
In your past, the foreign elements were small, but so then was wages and a way of life. But we had progress beyond the 5 foot walkways, just as the world had progress beyond typewriters, so too must we adapt if we are to survive.
I am truly sorry you feel that way, of the good old peaceful kampong days where mostly were uneducated not because of choice but due to lack in money and opportunities, but not many would want to relieve those days ever again, of uncertainties, low wages, smelly drains, little public infracstrutures and amenities. Not even aircon or costly cathode ray tubed TVs, nostalgic though it may be. Even if we stopped immigration today, kick out foriegners, if we tried. No one.....sorry pops.
But if you can change your mindset, and adapt, life may still be rewarding for you as you will get to open up yourself and soak in the new cultures and progress you and our forefathers who had work so hard to achieve and bestowed upon us.
Is this not another faudulent statement from the resident X-rated Fraudulent Rat to claim that there are only 30% of immigrants in Singapore ?
In the earlier thread - ‘Citizens constitute only 63% of Singapore’s population’ (*1) - the following was offered in my post on 14 October '09. 8:41AM on Page 9 of the thread:-
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If based on the 2009 statistics, it is confirmed that Singapore Citizens make-up only 63.3% of the entire population, what if the baseline is moved back to 1970 or 1989 ?
Using the ‘Statistics Timeline of Population Census’ (*1) - the rate of increase in the number of citizens to the total population ratios during 1989, 1999 and 2009 - will reveal a more shocking trend.
From 1970 to 1989, the increase in citizens to the total population had reflected closely to the natural birth rate, showing the slow growth - (low birth rate and tight immigration rules) - of only 634,000 over a period of 19 years.
From the data reviewed, one will notice that the percentage of citizens to the Total Population is declining through the years.
1970 - Total Population Nos: 2.074.5 - * - No of Citizens: 2,013.6 - * - 97.064%
1989 - Total Population Nos: 2,930.9 - * - No. of Citizens: 2,647.6 - * - 90.334%
1999 - Total Population Nos: 3,958.7 - * - No of Citizens: 3,229.7 - * - 81.585%
2009 - Total Population Nos: 4,987.6 - * - No of Citizens: 3,733.9 - * - 74.863%
From 1989 to 2009, the increase in new citizens showed a steep growth that can only be from a liberalised entry of foreigners - amounting to a total of 1,086.3 million, which form about 41% of the number of citizens in census year 1989.
If 1970 is used as a baseline, the increase in citizens between 1979 to 2009 will amount to 1,720.3 million of new citizens arriving since 1971 onwards.
This new citizens will number 85.43% on the total number of Citizens in 1979.
If population arrival is used to influence the Elections Results, coupled with the total grip on government machineries to block the legitimate political activities of all Singaporeans, plus the total control of print and broadcast media, and further boosted by the political gerrymeandering prior to and during Elections - do we need to wonder how the Ruling Political Party managed to keep itself in power for 52 years ?
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Originally posted by xtreyier:I remember back in the school days, during project work, I could produce the ideas within a team, brought it to life in words and actions, organise the presentation simply so that all or at least, most can understand.
Unfortunately, when the time came to appear on stage to make my presentation, I frozed, and stammered my way through. Lecturers and collegues were disappointed. They studied and followed through my concepts and know it was right and good. But during the presentation, the most critical aspect before a larger audience, I failed.
It took me many times before I found out and corrected my flaws, and subsequently made good in my career for my work and my articulation in the presence of others, regardless of whoever they old - the common man or the chief executive.
I blamed no one for my initial flaws. If we fail to critically correct our own flaws, we will forever be doom and ostracized by other, laughed at, more so by our own peers and people, for we may be able fool foriegners, but we cant fool our own.
Is there a wider audience out there to appreciate a deluded X-rated pseudo-intellect giving its special time to humiliate itself in public ?
It is not surprising for the immodesty of the X-rated pseudo-intellect to state its vast talent and vision, does anyone give a damn to send it an invitation to any tea party ?
Originally posted by xtreyier:I remember back in the school days, during project work, I could produce the ideas within a team, brought it to life in words and actions, organise the presentation simply so that all or at least, most can understand.
Unfortunately, when the time came to appear on stage to make my presentation, I frozed, and stammered my way through. Lecturers and collegues were disappointed. They studied and followed through my concepts and know it was right and good. But during the presentation, the most critical aspect before a larger audience, I failed.
It took me many times before I found out and corrected my flaws, and subsequently made good in my career for my work and my articulation in the presence of others, regardless of whoever they old - the common man or the chief executive.
I blamed no one for my initial flaws. If we fail to critically correct our own flaws, we will forever be doom and ostracized by other, laughed at, more so by our own peers and people, for we may be able fool foriegners, but we cant fool our own.
That's you.
And also, there's no link to the topic of discrimination. Seems like you just could not correct this flaw.
Another wall of shit fromt the self-admitted piece of Turd. I wondered why the long text, but realised, hey...she's trying now to whitewash her sell out of Singapore to the commie bastards upon being found out she had been wiping their asses of the shit they had spilt during our budding years as a nation!
Too bad. Your own words dug a grave for you, turd, no matter how long you want to post to hide reference to your asswiping of the 60s commie bastards.
Singapore had always been an immigrant society. Statistic baselines can always be shifted anywhere to support any hypothesis, even at the time of independence, and it will still prove one fact - we had always people joining us as citizens.
The difference between immigrants/migrant workers, and new citizens are vast. The immigrant is NOT our kind, at least no yet. But new citizens whom had pledge allegience to us, becomes our own, to partake in our woes as well as our joys as one united people under our constitution, our pledge and our flag, regardless if they joined back in 1965 or just yesterday.
I trust in others to comprehend the facts better:-
According to the 2009 Population Trends report, Singapore’s total population at end-June was 4.99 million with 3.73 million Singapore residents and 1.25 million non-residents.
Though the number of PRs and citizens are not revealed, the National Population Secretariat puts the figures for the number of PRs at 0.48 million and citizens at 3.16 million:
Originally posted by xtreyier:Another wall of shit fromt the self-admitted piece of Turd. I wondered why the long text, but realised, hey...she's trying now to whitewash her sell out of Singapore to the commie bastards upon being found out she had been wiping their asses of the shit they had spilt during our budding years as a nation!
Too bad. Your own words dug a grave for you, turd, no matter how long you want to post to hide reference to your asswiping of the 60s commie bastards.
Singapore had always been an immigrant society. Statistic baselines can always be shifted anywhere to support any hypothesis, even at the time of independence, and it will still prove one fact - we had always people joining us as citizens.
The difference between immigrants/migrant workers, and new citizens are vast. The immigrant is NOT our kind, at least no yet. But new citizens whom had pledge allegience to us, becomes our own, to partake in our woes as well as our joys as one united people under our constitution, our pledge and our flag, regardless if they joined back in 1965 or just yesterday.
I trust in others to comprehend the facts better:-
According to the 2009 Population Trends report, Singapore’s total population at end-June was 4.99 million with 3.73 million Singapore residents and 1.25 million non-residents.
Though the number of PRs and citizens are not revealed, the National Population Secretariat puts the figures for the number of PRs at 0.48 million and citizens at 3.16 million:
We can certainly trust the intelligence of a X-rated Fraud to avoid addressing the controversies that it has so creatively organised but has been exposed again for the fallacies that have been filled with the hot gas from the piece of plagiarized turd that it is infatuated with.
Can anyone of the wished for audience trust the ability of the X-rated Fraud to even begin to understand or regurgitate what it can understand to be its own facts ?
Obviously, the X-rated pseudo-intellect - proven repeated as a Fraud - will not have any abilities to make any inference nor reference to statistics - when it can brilliantly claim that Statistics is NOT a Science.
If we use the ‘Statistics Timeline of Population Census’ (*1) - and change the time line to the 1989 census which had Singapore Citizens at 2,647.6 million out of a total population of 2930.9; and comparing this to the 2009 census with citizens at 3,733.9 million from a population of 4,987.6 million - it is obvious that the number of citiznship given is: 1,086.3 million.
This makes new immigrants at 41.029 per cent from the 1989 citizenship total.
We can certainly trust the X-rated Fraud to skew the interpretation of data based on its unique "outlawrely" understanding that Statistics is NOT a Science.
Afterall, to the X-rated pseudo-intellect it possess the fraudulent belief that "civil obedience" is "outlawrely" against the Law.