Why they hate Singapore
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Originally posted by Gensis:
A bit dumb of you right?
What for offer solutions when it is not something you will be able to work on?
Or something that the govt will listen to you direct to work on, especially when there are floods of long posts by people like you with too much free time on their hands?What's the point of having so much talk but zero action, on supposed solutions that you can't even control?
Be not too hasty to condemn that which your petty and feeble mind fails to comprehend.
Condemn not others who can prioritise their time to do that which they think is right and necessary, if you yourself are your own pathetic failure in time management.
Seek not for exclusivity in solutions above others, for others too have a mind of their own for the peaceful contributions to society, with the best being made policy after consensual agreement in our democratic parliamentary style nation.
I am only a simple man, using simple words, and if you yet fail to comprehend, like other self admitted clowns such as Gendankan here, then I can only help those who can understand, for I have no control over your limited mental capacity or want to.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Be not too hasty to condemn that which your petty and feeble mind fails to comprehend.
For one who will advise others not to be "too hasty to condemn", it is hypocritically characteristic that the X-rat will contradict itself by condemning others in one single breathe that it takes to do both in one sentence.
Condemn not others who can prioritise their time to do that which they think is right and necessary, if you yourself are your own pathetic failure in time management.
It is simply a pathetic show of the bankrupt mind already proven for its inability to create, will also show its stupendous inability to absorb what has been written, and will go at a complete tangent to the subject contents to which it intend to respond.
Was it about time management, or about using your time in more productive activities then plagiarizing ideas that even your PAPa will not take note of your efforts ?
Seek not for exclusivity in solutions above others, for others too have a mind of their own for the peaceful contributions to society, with the best being made policy after consensual agreement in our democratic parliamentary style nation.
For one who plagiarizes Shakespearan's prose to make a hollow claim to "seek not for exclusivity in solutions above others, for others too have a mind of their own for the peaceful contributions to society" - have you not so easily and quickly dismiss the honest efforts of others to be heard ?
Have you not dishonestly protect the interests of your old PAPa to claim exclusivity in political rights to themselves, and prevent the print and broadcast media from giving any publicity to the Alternative Political Parties ?
It is shameless dishonesty for a X-rat to propagate that the "best being made policy after consensual agreement in our democratic parliamentary style nation".
This dishonesty is clearly designed to ravished the common sense and put into normalcy what has been brazenly done to usurp and ravished the democratic process every step of the way - from the procedures in Election to the Parliamentary politics.
Has the People's voices been heard through their Elected Representatives, when the Party Whip ensures that all honest voice of conscience are forced to be silent in the interest of Party Politics first ?
Can the People's voices be heard when its Representatives have an easy walk-over ride into Parliament, in an election process designed to burden the Alternative Parties with an overbloated Parliament ?
Only in the bankrupt mind of a X-rat will the present politics of the PAP be seen as Democratic.
I am only a simple man, using simple words, and if you yet fail to comprehend, like other self admitted clowns such as Gendankan here, then I can only help those who can understand, for I have no control over your limited mental capacity or want to.
Can a X-rat be a simple man when it plagiarize devious ideas to be dumbed down to his level of simple words - to simply pretend these ideas to be its own ?
How pathetic the democratic process is for the dumb-down mental process of a X-rat that it will believe that those who cannot reach its dumbed down level must be some "self-admitted clowns" ?
How should we see the pathetic abilities of the X-rat in comprehending larger issues ?
Making the X-rat a clown will surely belittle the profession of those who entertain kids with more intelligence then this X-rat.
Perhaps, we will leave the X-mark on its intelligence as it is for now.
We should not be in a hurry to condemn the X-rat so as to leave room for the X-rat to show its true potential in marking the X spot for its limited abilities before passing judgment.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Spot on, but don't count on xtreyier to possess the common sense to recognise something that glaringly obvious - his inflated ego blinds him to the truth.
Am suprised that you don't know xtreyier do not have common sense
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Originally posted by fireng:
Am suprised that you don't know xtreyier do not have common sense
Hey, you know it and I know it - I'm just trying to save Gensis the futile effort of educating xtreyier.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Be not too hasty to condemn that which your petty and feeble mind fails to comprehend.
Condemn not others who can prioritise their time to do that which they think is right and necessary, if you yourself are your own pathetic failure in time management.
Seek not for exclusivity in solutions above others, for others too have a mind of their own for the peaceful contributions to society, with the best being made policy after consensual agreement in our democratic parliamentary style nation.
I am only a simple man, using simple words, and if you yet fail to comprehend, like other self admitted clowns such as Gendankan here, then I can only help those who can understand, for I have no control over your limited mental capacity or want to.
Oh, cry me a river, puh-leeze!
I put it to you again - what good are your "solutions" here going to have in the real world? What can you actually achieve?
Nothing. Zip. Nada. Bupkus. Zilch.
As such, all of your puffery and pontification is nothing more than an impotent, narcissistic wankfest. For all of your jibber-jabber you achieve nothing, and yet you try to flog off your tripe as some laughabe notion of nobility and some pitiful appeal to societal contribution.
Wake up and smell the coffee, sunshine. For all of your time spent aggrandising yourself here, you've done absolutely nothing to make Singapore a better place, so it's not so much a case of you being a simple man as being a simpleton.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh, cry me a river, puh-leeze!
I put it to you again - what good are your "solutions" here going to have in the real world? What can you actually achieve?
Nothing. Zip. Nada. Bupkus. Zilch.
As such, all of your puffery and pontification is nothing more than an impotent, narcissistic wankfest. For all of your jibber-jabber you achieve nothing, and yet you try to flog off your tripe as some laughabe notion of nobility and some pitiful appeal to societal contribution.
Wake up and smell the coffee, sunshine. For all of your time spent aggrandising yourself here, you've done absolutely nothing to make Singapore a better place, so it's not so much a case of you being a simple man as being a simpleton.
You asked me a question. Do I owe you a reply, least of all to a self professed clown such as you?
Any response from me will be at my pleasure, at my choosing and the level of pity i would feel for you at the moment, although I have and saved more compassion for my fellow citizens, whoever they are, for even the lowest worker in our society is of a value far beyond that which you can ever be.
Whatever your perceptions of me or whoever, whatever I do or dont do, as you wrote out here, is purely your own and one which i have no control over, or want to have control over.
I stand by my words, what had been written by me alone, and let others judge, if they so wish.
No point in being dragged into a mudslinging battle of words, least of all with a foreigner whose only talent is being not serious, of no value to my society, but purely clownish, and a fifth rate one I must add.
Perhaps the aussie kids may be amused by your antics, as you must have fallen from their adult's grace to come here instead, seeking pity, of which sadly i have none for you.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Be not too hasty to condemn that which your petty and feeble mind fails to comprehend.
Condemn not others who can prioritise their time to do that which they think is right and necessary, if you yourself are your own pathetic failure in time management.
Seek not for exclusivity in solutions above others, for others too have a mind of their own for the peaceful contributions to society, with the best being made policy after consensual agreement in our democratic parliamentary style nation.
I am only a simple man, using simple words, and if you yet fail to comprehend, like other self admitted clowns such as Gendankan here, then I can only help those who can understand, for I have no control over your limited mental capacity or want to.
Shall let you continue your rant on my mental capacity and time management skills. I don't give a hoot.Afterall, in your own words, you are a simple man; you are likely a failure in the real world who could only derive simple pleasures in this manner online.
No need to thank me. Just treat it as charity.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Hey, you know it and I know it - I'm just trying to save Gensis the futile effort of educating xtreyier.
He is a condemned case. No amount of education can save him
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
You asked me a question. Do I owe you a reply, least of all to a self professed clown such as you?
Any response from me will be at my pleasure, at my choosing and the level of pity i would feel for you at the moment, although I have and saved more compassion for my fellow citizens, whoever they are, for even the lowest worker in our society is of a value far beyond that which you can ever be.
Oh, you poor, poor fool - don't you even recognise a blatant rhetorical question when you see one? Are you so blinded by your vanity that you actually believed that any lame excuse for your ptitful strutting would be appreciated?
Dear God, you really are that stupid, aren't you?
Originally posted by xtreyier:I stand by my words, what had been written by me alone, and let others judge, if they so wish.
And what significance should that have, pray tell? Your words are useless ramblings on a frivolous and inconsequential stage, and you'd probably be saying more if you stated that you were standing next to a dog turd.
Originally posted by xtreyier:No point in being dragged into a mudslinging battle of words, least of all with a foreigner whose only talent is being not serious, of no value to my society, but purely clownish, and a fifth rate one I must add.And once again you show how thick you are. Do you think it means anything if you callme fifth-rate or first-rate? I've explained ad nauseum that none of this means anything to me, and your utter and complete stupidity in not being able to grasp such a simple point is side-splittingly hilarious. If I believed it at all possible that you were doing this on purpose, I'd take my hat off to you as a comic genius.
Originally posted by xtreyier:as you must have fallen from their adult's grace to come here insteadNo, no,no - that would be you and your pet monkey, what with your "solutions" and his "discourse". It's plain unbelievable how you could delude yourself into thinking that whatever you write here is worth anything more than a snide chuckle. You really are a sad, sad, little individual.
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Originally posted by fireng:
He is a condemned case. No amount of education can save him
I'd never want to save him. He's much more amusing the way he is.
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Why is there such a big hoo ha and so much vulgarity about this article?
The article clearly acknowledges that "both China and Singapore are authoritarian states. The freedoms ...come with more caveats in these two places." and it even quotes that "repression is highly selective. It is confined to those who take a conscious decision openly to challenge the authorities."
May be you are having problem with the statement: "free market plus the rule of law, and stable macro-economic policies, can lead to progress and success, but without Western-style 'liberal' democracy." flame me if you like, but I agree with this statement.
or may be you do not believe that those who are willing to sacrifice some freedom for prosperity and security can be highly-educated and well-travelled people; or you are damn sure that the Singaporean doctors, financiers and lawyers, who have studied in London, Oxford, Harvard and Sydney, must be brainwashed to be contented with staying in Singapore.
Whatever your believe, there are facts you have to acknowledge: Singapore and China are examples of countries which are taking a different route to development; Singapore, built on a swamp has flourished economically; rich and powerful ones too, like Russia and the Gulf states - are looking to the Singaporean way of doing things to pick up a tip or two.
But I think it is hard for many to swallow the clear indication that: the sun is setting in the west !
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Why is there such a big hoo ha and so much vulgarity about this article?
The article clearly acknowledges that "both China and Singapore are authoritarian states. The freedoms ...come with more caveats in these two places." and it even quotes that "repression is highly selective. It is confined to those who take a conscious decision openly to challenge the authorities."
May be you are having problem with the statement: "free market plus the rule of law, and stable macro-economic policies, can lead to progress and success, but without Western-style 'liberal' democracy." flame me if you like, but I agree with this statement.
or may be you do not believe that those who are willing to sacrifice some freedom for prosperity and security can be highly-educated and well-travelled people; or you are damn sure that the Singaporean doctors, financiers and lawyers, who have studied in London, Oxford, Harvard and Sydney, must be brainwashed to be contented with staying in Singapore.
Whatever your believe, there are facts you have to acknowledge: Singapore and China are examples of countries which are taking a different route to development; Singapore, built on a swamp has flourished economically; rich and powerful ones too, like Russia and the Gulf states - are looking to the Singaporean way of doing things to pick up a tip or two.
But I think it is hard for many to swallow the clear indication that: the sun is setting in the west !
free market plus the rule of law, and stable macro-economic policies, can lead to progress and success, but without Western-style 'liberal' democracy
What a bunch of Balony
I think you have ignore 1 basic historical fact in our recent History.....the tools that fight against communist was against poverty. That's why one of the reason ASEAN was established. And liberal trade policies and surplus capital from western state was introduce into SEA thru Foreign Direct Investment as a form for introducing mass income distribution thru private interest.
We also saw the introduction of Capital financing thru Asian Dollar Market established by BOA to facilitate investment distribution within Asia.
The success of foreign investment saw the rise of the 4 dragon in the 80s . Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. Success without Western democracy? You think UNDP alone would be able to bring you to Singapore? Whose Economics advise did Singapore LKY listen to on FDI? ...from Mao hand book?
Look at the characteristics of these 4 states....
Taiwan and Korea has longer and closer ties with US. While HKG is a colonial city. 3 out of 4 were against the influence of communist regime in the 60s and 70s. Not to forget that Singapore wanted to be part of a Federation State.
The only reason why Singapore can continue to be an authoritarin because of its smallness. and continue rise in income for the later part of the 1900.
So Singapore and China were able to prosper because of liberal western Trade policies and Trading system of comparative advantage thru private interest. Socially it benefit people around the globe. And in contrast we saw the inefficent of state planning distribution within the soviet block.
So lets not stick gold to govt....and certainly if you think authoritarian is the reason you would not move south to Singapore.
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Cheap labour, Arapahoe, to put in bluntly. Western powers aint as noble as you assume them to be. Our forefathers slogged like hell for them, to give them profits and cheap goods in their giant supermarts, in exchange for a little cash from them to grow and learn their tricks. They werent even paying top dollar.
The only few countries they tried to impose politics of democracy was Vietnam and we knew how it ended up. Philippines was another, but I am sure you are no Marcos fan.
Taiwan was rich but was no democracy till the authoritarian Marshal Chiang stepped down in the late century. Korean democracy was marred by strikes regularly, that these western companies withdrew, resulting in their mafia called the Chaebols ruled. Hong kong was a free wheeling island, payed no taxes, owed no loyalty to anyone saved themselves.
So what western democratic 'values' or 'assistance' are you referring to that enabled the 4 tigers to developed themselves? Freedom to be freely exploited by the west?
The only thing that helped the 4 tigers were its hardworking people, pursuing a better life for their next generations while working in sweatshops for the West. I would grant you that if the West had not been such decadent consumerists, trade would not have happen and there would be no money to evolve our own poliltical standards.
And evolution of politics had always been our country's strength. Democracy cannot happen overnight as USSR had proven. It takes patience and time. We are no longer an authoritarian state of the 60s but a full fledged democracy as proven by achieving FDI approval status, if that matters to you.
So too will China evolve in time from its present state. But if you presume authoritarian states would give a care for FDI status from the west to give up their ways, just look at North Korea and Burma. They wouldnt give a damn, They have India and China for their trade needs, so they will not play to the western carrot dangling outside their eyes.
The British parliament grew from trade guilds, the americans fought the brits for trade rights and the russians grew sick of lining up for loafs of bread, not because of communist tirades.
It is trade, that evolves the politics of nations. With earnings that can be spread to the population, a strong middle class will grow, whom will demand and set the pace for a greater say in their lives and eventually freedom.
Democracy or communism, both are only lofty ideals. If flawed men ruled in either system, that society will still fail.
It is Capitalism, in its basic form, that provides trade, the lifeblood of our world, regardless of authoritarian, corrupt or enlightened rule. It was Trade from the decadent west, and not benevolent lofty politics, that evolved us.
Not benevolent because Trade had always been a 2 way street. Nothing is free. Best we make that clear and wise up to facts.
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A "Wall of Text" is offered when one has much details to offer on a subject that has been researched for the benefit of discussion by any interested parties.
In this piece offered by the X-rat, what details can possibly come from the bankrupt mind that is better known for its accomplished Art of Plagiarism ?
Originally posted by xtreyier:Cheap labour, Arapahoe, to put in bluntly. Western powers aint as noble as you assume them to be. Our forefathers slogged like hell for them, to give them profits and cheap goods in their giant supermarts, in exchange for a little cash from them to grow and learn their tricks. They werent even paying top dollar.
Does this not sound familiar to the PAP wage policies for Singapore, when the interests of foreign investors take precedence over Singaporean wages ?
Has the PAP not succumb to the demands for "Cheap labor" - when - "to put in bluntly. Western powers aint as noble as you assuem them to be" ?
How did the X-rat discover that there were giant supermarts during the time of our forefathers ?
Which period did the forefathers of the X-rat live in ?
Were there "giant supermarts" in the 1950's, or '60s, or '70s ?
How old is or was the forefather of an X-rat for the "giant supermart" to exist then ?
If our forefathers were slogging like hell for the "Western powers 'who' aint as noble... to give them profits and cheap goods" - does the X-rat think that Singapore workers today are working with better wages at the factories, shipyards, and laboratories, when there are no minimum wages, and Singaporeans have to compete with cheap foreign workers for the same jobs ?
The only few countries they tried to impose politics of democracy was Vietnam and we knew how it ended up. Philippines was another, but I am sure you are no Marcos fan.
Was democracy ever introduced into Vietnam - which remained Communist since Dien Bien Phu got the French out of Indochina, and since Communist roll over into the South in 1974 ?
Or is the X-rat alluding to the Western powers holding the line to prevent Communism to roll through Southeast Asia at the end of WW-2 and the Korean War ?
Obviously, the X-rat failed in history to note that LKY was an ardent supporter of the USA's effort to keep Communism out of Southeast Asia, and had allowed a R+R Center for the wild parties that the US GI's were seeking as an escape from the war.
By holding the line to prevent Communism from creating a domino effect in rolling over Southeast Asia - are the Western Powers not already being benevolent in the sacrifice of men's lives, the resources of their countries in finance and material to fight those wars ?
If one is not a Marcos fan, what could possibly be the X-rat's ambivalent wishy-washy opinion about democracy in the Philippines ?
Taiwan was rich but was no democracy till the authoritarian Marshal Chiang stepped down in the late century. Korean democracy was marred by strikes regularly, that these western companies withdrew, resulting in their mafia called the Chaebols ruled. Hong kong was a free wheeling island, payed no taxes, owed no loyalty to anyone saved themselves.
Was Taiwan rich under Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek, or were the Taiwanese richer after Chiang and his son died without anymore scions to extend their lineage ?
Is the X-rat attempting to change facts in Taiwans political and economic history with its own skewed knowledge ?
How did the X-rat come to a stupendous conclusion that the Korean Chaebols are "mafia organisations" ?
Did the X-rat confused these Korean family conglomerates that were equivalent to the Japanese family owned Zaibatu - some of which were taken over by the Japanese 'mafia' known as the Yakuza ?
The idiocy in the X-rat background seems to have elevated to a tertiary status with the outrageous claim that Hong Kong free-wheeling economy require no taxes to be paid, and no loyalty to anyone saved themselves ?
Only the foolish and empty mind of a X-rat that is flooded with the PAPa propaganda will tarnish the history of every neighboring country so as to make the PAPa's works look better.
So what western democratic 'values' or 'assistance' are you referring to that enabled the 4 tigers to developed themselves? Freedom to be freely exploited by the west?
The X-rat should show more gratitude on behalf of his old PAPa towards Harold Wilson for the aid that was given, or the Tunku would have thrown his old PAPa into jail, and Singapore would still remain as a minority State in Malaysia.
The X-rat should pray a 1000 times a day for the souls of 250,000 young American lives, who were conscripted to fight foreign wars across the Pacific during WW2, during the Korean War, and during the Vietnam War - that allowed Southeast Asians to recover our independence, and to be free from oppressive rules of the Colonials, the Japanese, and subsequently from Communism.
The X-rat should study more from his Old PAPa to understand the need for the Western Powers to continue to invest in Singapore with no minimum wages, and for the need to support the US war efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan, to support the Western Powers fight against the Somali Pirates, so that Singapore will remain to be a good place to be exploited by the Western Powers.
All these done in exchange for the taxes earned to purchase high-tech weapons made available for the SAF to protect old PAPa and ensure no freak election will happen to PAPa's political system.
The only thing that helped the 4 tigers were its hardworking people, pursuing a better life for their next generations while working in sweatshops for the West. I would grant you that if the West had not been such decadent consumerists, trade would not have happen and there would be no money to evolve our own poliltical standards.
Only the hot air from a X-rat will make it believe that old PAPa has made everything possible for Singapore, and that Singaporeans are incapable for the success - even as it believe that "hardworking people makes the miracle of the 4 tigers possible working in sweat shops for the West".
What "political standards" does the X-rat have in its tiny mind, when commenting on the success of the economies of the 4 Tigers - which have economic success that are as divergent today as is their political system ?
Is this not another flop attempt of a X-rat attempting to spout hot air in some political thinking that barely deal with reality, but based on its own wild speculation based on some flight of fancy thinking ?
And evolution of politics had always been our country's strength. Democracy cannot happen overnight as USSR had proven. It takes patience and time. We are no longer an authoritarian state of the 60s but a full fledged democracy as proven by achieving FDI approval status, if that matters to you.
Russia failed in its democratic reforms as it tried to pushed for Glasnotz and Perestroika in less then ONE year.
Singapore has had Self-government in a guided Parliamentary Democracy under the British Colonial Rule since 1953 till 1963 - when Singapore was merged into Malaysia, and continuing with the Parliamentary Democratic form of Government.
From 1965 until this date, Singapore form of government has all the superficial forms of a Parliamentary Democracy, that would have given Singapore a total of more then half-a-century of experience in democracy.
Is that not sufficient time for Singapore compared to the failed democracy of Russia ?
Is there any relevance in the comparison of the Russian experience with Singapore's own circumstances ?
If at all, the democratic practices of the 1950s is now a sham, and hidden under the thin veneer of Parliamentary Democracy lies a Communist style government that controls every aspect of Political Life, a Beijing style of sanctioned political representation of a cross-section of society, a Fascist state that is intolerant of any other public voices, a tightly controlled print and broadcast medias.
It is not a surprise that the Ruling Political Party has been entrenched in Government for such a long time that it has turned into a monolithic entity.
It had involved itself in the lives of every citizen as a major employer, as a provider of all essential services that include housing, food, utilities, transport, education, and as investor into strategic industries, manufacturing of industrial and consumer goods, and into financial and banking services.
The X-rat must be deluded to believe that Singapore is NOT an Authoritarian State.
So too will China evolve in time from its present state. But if you presume authoritarian states would give a care for FDI status from the west to give up their ways, just look at North Korea and Burma. They wouldnt give a damn, They have India and China for their trade needs, so they will not play to the western carrot dangling outside their eyes.
Will the X-rat dare to adopt similar arrogant attitude for Singapore to defend our dignitty under the same circumstances as faced by the governments of North Korea and Myanmar ?
Or does the X-rat believe that old PAPa will not succumb to eat the humble pie, when pressure is placed on old PAPa to change its ways of abusive politics towards the brave Singaporeans, who dare to exercise their Citizen's responsiblity for the political future of Singapore ?
The British parliament grew from trade guilds, the americans fought the brits for trade rights and the russians grew sick of lining up for loafs of bread, not because of communist tirades.
Is this the convenient interpretation of history of the X-rat by making brief forays into the historical past ?
How did the bankrupt mind of the X-rat reinterprete Britain's History when it was clearly due to the abuses of the King of England that resulted in the Parliamentary system being introduced, which removed the sovereign powers to directly rule the entire country ?
Did the "American fight the Brits for trade rights", or was the fight for independence due to the unfair taxes imposed by the British Crown - that began with the Boston Tea Party ?
Did "the russian grew sick of lining up for loafs of bread" and QUIETLY broke free from the shackles of Communist Rule, or was there daily noisy demonstrations against the bankrupt ideas of authoritarian Communist oligarchs ?
Was it not a fact that the Russian grew tired of the Communist tirades to work harder even as the "bread line" got longer, and decided that there MUST BE CHANGE ?
It is trade, that evolves the politics of nations. With earnings that can be spread to the population, a strong middle class will grow, whom will demand and set the pace for a greater say in their lives and eventually freedom.
Only a bankrupt mind of a X-rat will believe that nations evolve from trades, as if there do not exist the desires of politics for political unions to take place between different communities of people to merge for their mutual survival ?
The theme of the X-rat is to propagate the PAPa's thinking which it plagiarize again for its own way of dumbing down the message - by claiming that it is not in the interest of the Citizens to pay attention to Politics, but that Trade and Commerce is our only focus.
It is the old PAPa's philosophy created by Goh Chok Tong that "Politics should be for Politicians" - which this X-rat is dishonest not to clearly indicate but will deliberately dumb down the message by its X-rat intelligence.
Democracy or communism, both are only lofty ideals. If flawed men ruled in either system, that society will still fail.
Can any of the system fail under the rule of flawed men ?
Did the X-rat not claimed that "our forefathers worked in hell to give profits" and that "Tigers were made by the hardworking people" ?
How did "Hong Kong become a free wheeling place that owed loyalty to no one" when it had no political system of any kind and even became a Tiger economy ?
Was there a leader of any kind in Hong Kong ?
It is Capitalism, in its basic form, that provides trade, the lifeblood of our world, regardless of authoritarian, corrupt or enlightened rule. It was Trade from the decadent west, and not benevolent lofty politics, that evolved us.
Does the X-rat believe that Capitalism can exist without any leadership of any kind ?
The X-rat must have been a total failure in its "rat-race" world for its poor knowledge of the Capitalist ways.
Only a X-rat is capable of being blind the decadence of the East that allowed the decadent West to colonise the East and allow abusive domination to take hold.
Not benevolent because Trade had always been a 2 way street. Nothing is free. Best we make that clear and wise up to facts.
How did the X-rat conclude that Trade has to involve any degree of benevolence, or even has to result in a "2-way street" relationship ?
Was there a "2-way street" trade relationship between Japan and the USA during the 1960s through the 1980s - when Japan was registering surplus more then the US ?
Did China conduct an honest "2-way street" trade relationship with the USA in the 1990s till this date, which saw repeated annual surplus that boosted China's National Reserves and created a huge trade deficit that sorely highlighte the trade imbalance between China and the USA ?
Even the Europeans had complained against China.
What has the message been from the X-rat - after the "Wall of Text" has been carefully examined ?
The entire exercise was based on flawed thinking that had no focus in any single direction, featured contradictions and fantasies ideas.
The only clear message is seen in a plagiarized idea that was dumbed down by the stupendous intelligence that simply overwhelm the capacity of a tiny mind in the X-rat.
It is best that the ignorance of the X-rat is best kept to itself.
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Yet another infinite monkey theorum wall of gibberish from you, turd tobe, The propounders of this theory did say it needed infinite time, guess you simply just typed on the keyboard. There is no justification for your usual nonsense.
Tell you what. IF you wish to be taken seriously, then I suggest you study harder and learn critical thinking. Mere reading of books is not a sign of intelligence or its regugitation, and there lies your utter monkey stupidities.
After reading through your petty meandering and hate filled post filled with questions, it only makes one wonder on your abilities to comprehend even simple facts that you ask question instead of providing answers, rhetorics but a lame excuse to make up for you lack.
You are no longer a child in school, but a grown adult capable of independent thinking. Oops ..I forgot, you dont. And if any that exists, it is a twisted one used only to tarnish those who dont agree with you, using your own fantasies, lies and half truths.
But then, I doubt if you wish to be taken seriously, Your petty hate filled emotions is more telling and it consumes you, cloud your judgements seriously, impaired your critical thinking facillities, and will only continue to produce keyboard monkey wall of text.
And for what? Only to define freedom on your terms to install your beloved outlaw Dr.Chee on the throne to rule over us.
You never learn, do you? You think my fellow citizens are stupid, and ready meat to be used and expendable for your hideous attempts But then it will only be your own grave that you had dug, turd.
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AwwwShucks, the X-rat responded so promptly.
It must have been waiting all night, and anxiously click to vainly find out what is coming to its senseless creation.
Originally posted by xtreyier:Yet another infinite monkey theorum wall of gibberish from you, turd tobe, The propounders of this theory did say it needed infinite time, guess you simply just typed on the keyboard. There is no justification for your usual nonsense.
If gibberish is all that a X-rated mind can handle, it is obviously reflected in the mixed up gibberish in this X-rated paragraph created with such anxious emotion of one who must have been typing furiously any X-rated thoughts that rushed through the hollow space of the mind of a X-rat.
Tell you what. IF you wish to be taken seriously, then I suggest you study harder and learn critical thinking. Mere reading of books is not a sign of intelligence or its regugitation, and there lies your utter monkey stupidities.
Was this not a plagiarized advise given to you ?
Obviously your bankrupt mind is due to your cynical attitude towards books, and your plagiarizing efforts has been a hallmark of your thoughtless point of views.
Do we need to wonder why you have never been challenged to tackle any issues in the same manner that your "Wall of Text" has been dismantled, and your empty message revealed with all the sunlight showing up your hollow thoughts ?
The problem with your position is that a half-wit gave you a piece of his mind, and you desperately held on to it.
After reading through your petty meandering and hate filled post filled with questions, it only makes one wonder on your abilities to comprehend even simple facts that you ask question instead of providing answers, rhetorics but a lame excuse to make up for you lack. You are no longer a child in school, but a grown adult capable of independent thinking. Oops ..I forgot, you dont.
It seems that you have not been able to answer the questions that you have rated to be simple, and will depend your X-rated mind to be fed the "biskets" in the usual ways that your PAPa has bred you to be unquestioningly obedient.
How could you appreciate if an adult can think, when you have been shown repeatedly to have a bankrupt mind ?
Did you finally realise that no one is a child even as you are stuck in your X-rated fantasy world which you believed your PAPa had single handedly built ?
But then, I doubt if you wish to be taken seriously, Your petty hate filled emotions is more telling and it consumes you, cloud your judgements seriously, impaired your critical thinking facillities, and will only continue to produce keyboard monkey wall of text.
From this paragraph, one can only wonder if the vast empty space in your mind has not echoed the thoughts that expressed your own position - considering the choices of words that you have selected to express your own emotions.
From this paragraph alone, it has proven again my repeated statement that you can plagiarized Shakespearan's prose but you can never imitate the effective style of his delivery - as you do not have the wherewithall to even imitate his composure, his honesty, his integrity and most of all his confidence in himself.
Whatever happened to the pretentious sanctimonious calmness in your attempt to pontificate towards others ?
You never learn, do you? But then its ok. Its your own grave you dig and your choice.
Can a X-rated Kid with the attitude of a X-rat be in any position to teach anyone who is lightyears ahead of its pathetic position ?
With the stooopidity of a X-rat that run around in circles attempting to teach others, I will certainly help you dig a grave of your choice - will you dare to dig mine ?
It will be my pleasure to leave you with one small thought, but I am not sure if you have any place in the small X-spot to put it.
Sadly, someone forgot to innoculate you against stoooopidity when you were born.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
free market plus the rule of law, and stable macro-economic policies, can lead to progress and success, but without Western-style 'liberal' democracy
What a bunch of Balony
I think you have ignore 1 basic historical fact in our recent History.....the tools that fight against communist was against poverty. That's why one of the reason ASEAN was established. And liberal trade policies and surplus capital from western state was introduce into SEA thru Foreign Direct Investment as a form for introducing mass income distribution thru private interest.
We also saw the introduction of Capital financing thru Asian Dollar Market established by BOA to facilitate investment distribution within Asia.
The success of foreign investment saw the rise of the 4 dragon in the 80s . Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. Success without Western democracy? You think UNDP alone would be able to bring you to Singapore? Whose Economics advise did Singapore LKY listen to on FDI? ...from Mao hand book?
Look at the characteristics of these 4 states....
Taiwan and Korea has longer and closer ties with US. While HKG is a colonial city. 3 out of 4 were against the influence of communist regime in the 60s and 70s. Not to forget that Singapore wanted to be part of a Federation State.
The only reason why Singapore can continue to be an authoritarin because of its smallness. and continue rise in income for the later part of the 1900.
So Singapore and China were able to prosper because of liberal western Trade policies and Trading system of comparative advantage thru private interest. Socially it benefit people around the globe. And in contrast we saw the inefficent of state planning distribution within the soviet block.
So lets not stick gold to govt....and certainly if you think authoritarian is the reason you would not move south to Singapore.
you talked a lot about reforming Singapore education to improve english, start by spelling "baloney" correctly.
The fact that China prospers today but remains a communist state already prove your theory wrong, but of course communism in China is longer the same as what Mao or Carl Marx were thinking.
don't stick gold to the western state, They invested to capitalise on cheap labor, slack local environmental control (remember Bhopal), cheap industrial resources (land and raw materials) in Asia. investment from these states were never meant to introduce mass income distribution, like in HK, they took the mass income first, then the rest distribute.
The fact you conveniently ignore is that the Philippines and Indonesia were anti communist, they got rid of the dictator, but they remains poor today. The fact that they are the most democratic countries in ASEAN, by western standard, has not brought their people what they need. Philippino remains dependant on the export of their cheap labour, Indonesian maids continue to be abused by the Malaysian.
The korean would laugh at you when you say they succeeded with western democracy in the 80's. Until 87 South Korea was ruled by general Chun Doo Hwan, came to power by a coup de'tat. Until today, we still get news of their former head of state involved in scandal, corruption....blah blah blah. But along the way, these head of states implemented economic strategies that capitalise on cheap labour and aim at export, the same way the Asian tigers achieved economic miracles.
Ask the Taiwanese, it was Chiang Jin Guo, the son of dictator Chiang Kai Shek, who laid the foundation for taiwan economic miracle, then later came the direct election when Lee Teng Hui was elected president. Ah Bian has not ensured continuing economic prosperity for the Taiwanese people.
Philippines and india were both anti communist, speak english nation wide, embrace western democracy, but where were they when Asian economy prosper in the beginning of the 80's?
If Singapore is an authoritarin because of its smallness, why is the big China also authoritarian? I wonder why is a small authoritarian state able to "continue rise in income for the later part of the 1900"
The Asians tigers, china, and other Asian countries prosper for many reasons unique to the region (emphasis on education, savings, hardwork...), and in a globalized environment, but never because of western democracy. Dont' stick Gold where it doesn't belong, trying too hard to link economic sucess to democracy will only dilute what democracy can really do for the people.