Why do tiny Singapore needs 2 SM, 2 DPM, 1 MM and 3 Minister

• Georgetan884

  6 Oct 09, 16:18

  Why do tiny Singapore needs 2 SM, 2 DPM, 1 MM and 3 Minister in PMO?

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  http://wayangparty.com/?p=7016
  
  By Eugene Yeo
  
  When I heard from a friend working in the civil service that there might be a change in the cabinet this week, I was quietly hoping that Prime Lee Hsien Loong will make use of the opportunity to trim the cabinet by removing the dead wood to reduce government expenditure during this economic downturn.
  
  I was bitterly disappointed and flabbergasted that save for one departure - Dr Lee Boon Yang, there will be one new Senior Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister in Prime Minister’s Office in addition to the present incumbents.
  
  According to the Straits Times (read article here), Mr Teo Chee Hean will be appointed as Deputy Prime Minister; Professor S Jayakumar will relinquish his appointment as Deputy Prime Minister and be appointed as Senior Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office while Ms Lim Hwee Hua will become the third Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office.
  
  Why does our honorable Mr Lee Hsien Loong, who is the highest paid Prime Minister in the world need 2 Senior Ministers, 2 Deputy Prime Ministers, 1 Minister Mentor and 3 Ministers in his office to help him govern a small nation of only 4.5 million people? Will he be handicapped in any way by having less ministers to assist him?
  
  Mr Lee should have sacked the underperforming ministers such as his father MM Lee for GIC’s disastrous performance, DPM Wong for the Home Ministry’s failure to find Mas Selamat and the two Ministers in his office for..well doing nothing. This will save the government a tidy sum of a few million dollars a year which can be channeled to the help the poor and needy in our society.
  
  The new appointment holders - 1 SM and 1 Minister in PMO (Jayakumar relinquish his DPM post to Teo Chee Hean and this was not taken into consideration) will cost taxpayers almost S$5 million dollars a year.
  
  Malaysia, which is much larger than us, has only 1 DPM and no SMs or MMs. In this era where countries all over the world from the United States to China are trying to reduce the size of their governments, our cabinet continues to grow and expand at an alarming rate.
  
  At the end of the day, it is taxpayers who are footing the bill and it makes financial sense for the Prime Minister to exercise more prudence and caution in government expenditure to reduce the budget deficit.
  
  A few million dollars may be short change to a government flushed with cash, but it means a lot to the common folks out there in the streets who are struggling to make ends meet.
  
  Such wanton spending is not justified in the midst of a worsening recession. Having lived on taxpayers’ money for so many years, I believe MM Lee, Prof Jayakumar, SM Goh and DPM Wong would have accumulated enough savings in their bank accounts to last several generations.
  
  Singaporeans will surely welcome their desire to continue serving the nation and I believe they will win more respect and affection from the people if they are willing to serve out their remaining tenure for free.

  
  
• qpicanto

  6 Oct 09, 21:06

  The errie sense of deja vu of cabinet of bygone years if take a close look at pmo.

• reyes

  7 Oct 09, 17:01

  2 reason i can think of:

  the PAP is running out of talents now. they try to retain the services of the old folks as long as possible.

   

  the old generation politicians cannot survive on their own, need govt money to pay for their lavish lifestyle.

   

   

• Jianye

  7 Oct 09, 17:03

   

  This is what you call a circle within a circle of brotherhood...

• angel3070

  7 Oct 09, 17:08

  Why do tiny Singapore needs 2 SM, 2 DPM, 1 MM and 3 Minister in PMO?

  Eat more money lor.

  One minister one year salary in millions leh.

• the Bear

  7 Oct 09, 17:14

  let's take this one another step..

  they're so inept that they need a LOT of mini-stars to do the work of one..

  which begs the question: why the hell do they pay themselves so much, yet need so much "help" in the form of 2nd ministers, ministers of state, and whatnots? 

  they're not competitive.. which means they're not competent enough to handle the job without so much help right? 

• Malestone7469

  7 Oct 09, 17:43

  The reason they have this top heavy governance is similar to what I have seen when I was in NSF.

  My unit had:

  One MAJ
  Two 2LT
  2 Warrant Officers
  3 Staff Sergeants
  2 Sergeant
  8 Corporals
  11 Lance Corporals
  1 Private
  1 Recruit

  At Division Level, they had:

  1 Colonel
  4 Lt Colonels
  8 Majors
  6 Captains
  4 Lts
  6 2Lts
  2 Senior Warrants
  2 Warrants
  6 Staff Sergeants
  11 Sergeants
  28 Corporals
  11 Lance Corporals
  8 Privates
  2 Recruits

  As you can see its top heavy. This ensures redundancy in making decisions. Lots of pay. Those at the bootom know that they will become seniors, there is no competition.

  We had some friends come over from Brunei once, and they had been Privates for 15-years and no way to become Lance Corporal anytime soon.

  SO our government having...

  1 PM
  1 MM
  2 SM

  etc, are no different than what I had in the old days.

  BIG DEAL!

• Medicated Oil

  7 Oct 09, 17:53

  Simple Reason.

  One old man want to travel around the world and paid by the people.

  I dun think Ah Goh want to stay around cos he can go to england to enjoy his life with his family and his peanut wife.

  As for the existing team, the whole lot of them can be fired cos they cannot handle a limping terrorist, a ping pong team in a mess, huge loss of reserves without any one responsible and huge increase in pigeon hole price but huge decrease in building quality.

  As for the dragon son, I guess he is the reluctant person in power.

   

• the Bear

  7 Oct 09, 18:08

  Originally posted by Medicated Oil:

  Simple Reason.

  One old man want to travel around the world and paid by the people.

  I dun think Ah Goh want to stay around cos he can go to england to enjoy his life with his family and his peanut wife.

  As for the existing team, the whole lot of them can be fired cos they cannot handle a limping terrorist, a ping pong team in a mess, huge loss of reserves without any one responsible and huge increase in pigeon hole price but huge decrease in building quality.

  As for the dragon son, I guess he is the reluctant person in power.

   

  
  maybe the dragon son is reluctant..

  goodness knows he's pretty useless.. knn, old man forced him to marry an ugly man and he did!! 

• Chew Bakar

  7 Oct 09, 18:36

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  
  maybe the dragon son is reluctant..

  goodness knows he's pretty useless.. knn, old man forced him to marry an ugly man and he did!! 

  

• deepak.c

  7 Oct 09, 22:23

  Originally posted by Malestone7469:

  The reason they have this top heavy governance is similar to what I have seen when I was in NSF.

  My unit had:

  One MAJ
  Two 2LT
  2 Warrant Officers
  3 Staff Sergeants
  2 Sergeant
  8 Corporals
  11 Lance Corporals
  1 Private
  1 Recruit

  At Division Level, they had:

  1 Colonel
  4 Lt Colonels
  8 Majors
  6 Captains
  4 Lts
  6 2Lts
  2 Senior Warrants
  2 Warrants
  6 Staff Sergeants
  11 Sergeants
  28 Corporals
  11 Lance Corporals
  8 Privates
  2 Recruits

  As you can see its top heavy. This ensures redundancy in making decisions. Lots of pay. Those at the bootom know that they will become seniors, there is no competition.

  We had some friends come over from Brunei once, and they had been Privates for 15-years and no way to become Lance Corporal anytime soon.

  SO our government having...

  1 PM
  1 MM
  2 SM

  etc, are no different than what I had in the old days.

  BIG DEAL!

   

  Ermmm......

   

  Isn't that the same for most if not all military hierarchy?

   

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_organization

   

  But you have never heard of supreme field marshall, mentor field marshall and senior field marshall have you?

   

   

• I-like-flings(m)

  7 Oct 09, 22:36

  need some many position so they can officially pay them what.. if not how?

• deepak.c

  7 Oct 09, 22:38

  Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

  need some many position so they can officially pay them what.. if not how?

   

  Yah.

   

  It's all friends and family members.

   

   

• Medicated Oil

  7 Oct 09, 22:46

  Another simple reason.

  Just ask Ah Bian in taiwan prison.

  Study what he did to cover his ass when he is in power for 8 years.

  Ah Bian also travel around the world.

  Old man also travel around the world.

  Mmmmm.....

• Jianye

  8 Oct 09, 00:22

  Originally posted by Medicated Oil:

  Another simple reason.

  Just ask Ah Bian in taiwan prison.

  Study what he did to cover his ass when he is in power for 8 years.

  Ah Bian also travel around the world.

  Old man also travel around the world.

  Mmmmm.....

   Just shoot down the plane he is on lar!!!!!

  Problem solved

• Itedino

  8 Oct 09, 00:36

  Earn money ma. If not you not fast as them

• qpicanto

  9 Oct 09, 12:16

  Of course even nonagenarians can contribute to the society in  many ways but definitely not in the highest office of the government.

  Hence the underlying issue is not ageism per se but the indefiniteness  of the political tenure at the highest level is a cause for concern.

   

   

• angel3070

  9 Oct 09, 12:25

  Originally posted by qpicanto:

   

  As an ordinary citizen one would be taken aback by how MM fumbled on the date of US Constitution, in parliament, the correct date September 17, 1787, has become 1976 or 1977. How could US independence be  in the ninety -seventies? It is the logic not merely forgetting the numbers.

  The old man is 86 years old. He is senile. Watch him on TV, watch the way he speaks. He has trouble speaking and thinking.

  It begs the question: why is an 86 year old senile freak in charge of GIC making billions of losses yearly?

  This is Singapore for you, all fucking rubbish.

• Georgetan884

  9 Oct 09, 13:44

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  �总�记者会 庞大政府部门 �能需超过一�部长

  March 31, 2009 by admin  
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• Georgetan884

  9 Oct 09, 13:46

  æ�Žèµ„政的“官僚化”系统是新加å�¡å¤šå…šæ”¿æ²»çš„真正障ç¢�

  March 28, 2009 by admin  
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  Translated by Tan Lee Chong, Chinese Correspondent
  (Original article by Fang Zhi Yuan HERE)

   

  昨晚(2009å¹´3月20æ—¥)在新加å�¡å›½ç«‹å¤§å­¦(NUS)æ ¡å�‹ä¸­å¿ƒå¼€å¹•ç¤¼æ—¶ï¼Œæ�Žå…‰è€€èµ„政说他ä¸�相信我国的少人å�£å�¯ä»¥æ‰¿å�—得起一个两党的政治系统，因为PAPå·²ç»�‘èµ°é��了全国å�‘掘出我们现有的人æ‰�’。(这里读全文)

   

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  �先生的声明从两方�看是有内在缺陷的：

   

  1.无论是一党制或两党制的国家，国家人�和政治系统之间是没有交互作用的 (no correlation)。丹麦�芬兰�新西兰和�森堡是�与新加�相比的少人�国家，但这些例��国拥有两个或多个政党在他们的议会中。

   

  2.为什么PAP“必须走é��全国”å�‘掘人æ‰�æ�¥ä»Žäº‹å…¬è�Œå‘¢ï¼Ÿåœ¨ä¸€ä¸ªçœŸæ­£æ°‘主国家，抱有æœ�务人民的激情的公民将会挺身而出作为ä¸�å�Œæ”¿å…šæ——下的候选人去å�‚加竞选。

   

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  新加�人一般是战战惊惊的和对政治有�惧感的。�慧的年轻男女��花费时间�展他们的事业和积蓄财富，比起在政界弄�他们的�手更佳。所以�对派和PAP在最近�现越�越难�收具有资格的人民�他们的党员，虽然新加�的识字率是世界上最高之一。

  虽然我们人�少，但我们50%的公民拥有大学学�或文凭。他们为什么无兴趣加入政界呢？

   

  多党的政治和活跃å�‚与的全体公民在新加å�¡æˆ�é•¿å’Œå�‘展的主è¦�绊脚石，是在于æ�Žèµ„政所鼓å�¹å’Œé•¿æœŸæŽ¨è¡Œçš„“官僚化”(mandarinate)系统。

   

  在中国å°�建清æœ�çš„“官僚化”系统之下，皇å¸�(Emperor)有最终的æ�ƒåŠ›ï¼Œè€Œä»–è¿�用æœ�廷行政人员或官僚去统治他的百姓。

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  在一个实践民主的真正政党之内，所有干部将有机会竞争党最高岗�。PAP没有缺��胜任的领导人选。但在当�50年以�，为什么PAP的党最高岗��然由一个特殊家庭的�员所控制呢？

   

  新加�充满有天份的人�从事�行�业，例如：法律�医学�工程或者财务。有�愿�在�加了一个政党以�，�是盲目跟�党上级的命令，而没有自由和机会去充分地显示自己的能力和实施自己的想法和主动性呢？

   

  我们无需看得太远æ�¥ä¸ºæˆ‘们的困境寻找答案。å�ªéœ€ç»†å¿ƒå¯Ÿè§†åœ¨è®®ä¼šä¸­82个PAP议员的表现便å�¯æ‰¾åˆ°ç­”案。他们是å�¦æ–°åŠ å�¡å¿…é¡»æ��供的真正“优质人æ‰�”正如æ�Žèµ„政那么骄傲地宣告大众呢？

   

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  �资政�从采�以下措施去解决他现在的困境：

   

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