Singapore ranks 23rd on HDI
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I think a better yardstick is using Discretionary Income after deducting all necessities. Singapore's CPI has risen 9 points or so since 2005. And OZ as a country average edge close to 10, not much difference but in different cities, you see the difference with Sydney much better off than us but cities like Darwin, Brisbane has CPI increase pushing close to 11 or 12. This means their necessities spending like FOOD has increase much more than Singapore and which only means that their extra income would go more to spending on necessities.
If the absolute amount is the best way to measure disposable income, then Malaysians or even Indonesians would be so happy. Every month, my colleagues in Indonesia would have MILLIONS of disposable income.
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There is no poiny just to compare the absoute after tax income
or GDP PPP per capita.
There are many many ,mates,Life is not so simple.
For example,
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this HDI report very hard to use.
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Infant mortality rate:---ranking 224 --SG is the LOWEST in the WORLD!!
(deaths/1,000 live births)
SG--2.31...2009 est.
Australia--4.75 ...2009 est.
wat the hell.Oz rate is double of SG.Thats mean if your kid born in Oz,the chance is 100 % MORE!!OMG!!U call the second best country in the world.I salute your ignorance!!
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All I can say is choose your poison.
Singapore is both an expensive and a cheap place to live in. Australia is also both an expensive and a cheap place to live in.
Singapore is bloody expensive when it comes to luxuries but necessities like food is by no means expensive.
Australia is so cheap when it comes to things like cars etc but food wise, its gonna cost you a fair bit.
What I am saying is, every country is different and what you have at the end of the day after deducting your taxes, what you decide to spend it on decides whether you would have enough.
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we have seen there are more homeless people in SG,
So do Oz!!
105,000 homeless in Oz.How many in SG?
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if u think public housing in oz must be landed houses.u are damn wrong...
Public housing in Flemington, Melbourne Photo: Craig Abraham
We rely too much on public housing
Sydney Morning Herald - - Sep 24, 2009Recently, the ABC's Four Corners program went behind the numbers to tell the very real story of four Australian families unable to obtain what most of us take for granted, a home. They are the new face of homelessness in this country.
Their stories are backed up by the numbers. In 2006, 7,483 families were homeless, an increase of 17% since 2001. Of the 105,000 Australians defined as homeless, 26% or 26,790 people were in families with children and 12% were under the age of 12, just like those kids we saw on the program.
It is necessary to take a bipartisan approach on this issue. The Federal housing minister, Tanya Plibersek, has combined her moral compassion with dedication to keep this issue before her government that I happily commend.
How can we eligible for Oz public housing?
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mkmm
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Thans God.One day if i cant afford a roof over my head in Vic,Oz,
i have a place to turn to...
The Flemington and Kensington Community Website
(click here to visit its website),
http://housing.vic.gov.au/living-in-housing
rent.
''Rent
Every person living in public housing must pay rent.
There are two types of rent, 'market rent' and 'rebated rent'. The rent you are required to pay is calculated using your total household income. This calculation ensures that you never pay more than 25 per cent of your household income on rent.
Your rent is fixed for a maximum of 26 weeks between May and November and remains fixed even if your household income goes up. If your income goes down durning this time you can apply to reduce your rental payments. However if your income changes you should always contact your local housing office immediately .'''
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to be fair to Vic gavaman,i must point out that they help u to rent private property!!
http://housing.vic.gov.au/private-renters-assistance
I am pity the tax payers of Vic..
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ya,mates.A place to be for lazy people.Not so good for
hard working tax payers..
A drug user licking the needle puncture site after injecting ...
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
OMFG! Did your mother finally choke on that dog's cock and die?
Wah wah wah .... Sinagpore number 1 ... wah wah wah ... Australia bad ... wah wah wah ...
Monotonous moron.
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above--A drug user licking the needle puncture site after injecting heroin, Melbourne, 2006 [picture] / Darren Clark
Tax payer pay for drug users to inject herion in air cond room!!
ANALYSIS OF KINGS CROSS INJECTING ROOM REPORT
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The funniest thing is that even a discussion about Singapore gets turned into a discussion about Australia by noisy pussy - this idiot must be licking some seriously deep wounds from being rejected if he's this obsessed. Mind you, I'm 1000% behind DMIA's decision to tell him to fuck off - we don't want dickheads.
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1. OVERDOSES MORE THAN 36 TIMES THE REST OF KINGS CROSS
On the injecting room’s own calculations there were 6,0001 heroin injections in the Kings Cross
area, of which only 652 heroin injections per day were in the injecting room. Over the 18 month evaluation period there were 3293 overdoses for less than a total of 35,0004 heroin injections in the injecting room. Yet out on the street , for the same period, there was a total of
8455 overdoses out of the report’s estimated 3,229,0306 heroin injections.do u know the serious drug problems in oz,mates?
mmm
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:Stupid scholars.
And if they were funded by Singapore they'd be fucking geniuses, right?
They're scholars, you're a fucking nobody. You better learn your place in the world and not question your betters, worm.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
tt
do u know the serious drug problems in oz,mates?
mmm
No more serious than the situation in Singapore. It's just that Australia doesn't have a policy of locking addicts out of public sight, screwing their eyes shut, sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming "LALALALALALALALA" to pretend that there's no problem, you dumb cocksucker.
You gotta come up with some new material, fool - this tired old shit's worn out. You used to be funny but now you're just fucking boring.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
The funniest thing is that even a discussion about Singapore gets turned into a discussion about Australia by noisy pussy - this idiot must be licking some seriously deep wounds from being rejected if he's this obsessed. Mind you, I'm 1000% behind DMIA's decision to tell him to fuck off - we don't want dickheads.
u need a comparsion to discuss.
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dunt just rely on figures.Look at the reality.
do u know there are some 150,000 immgriants to Oz a year.
But at the same time,there are abt 80,000 residents of oz leaving
Oz for good.Out of theose leaving,half of them were born in Oz!!
This ratio remain the same in the most recent years,here is the facts.
Leaving Australia: a new paradigm of international migration
Figure 1. Permanent departures of Australia-born and overseas-born persons from Australia, 1959/60 to 2002-03
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3412.0 - Migration, Australia, 2007-08
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if oz is damn so good,why do the 80,000 leaving a year?
Half of them were born in oz some more!!
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They let in 150,000 and they told you to get fucked. Jesus H Christ, no wonder you're crying into your Wheaties!
Man, anyone who was as much of a loser as you are would have killed himself long ago, but you just have no fucking shame, do you? -
Originally posted by angel3070:
Why you want to instigate flame war between PAP followers and anti-PAP?
I have to instigate to get one? Thats new, I thought that is a natural occurance regardless of what is posted here?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
gross salary and purchasing power is just one of the factors measuring
the life in a country.There is no better yard stick than the real lifes mates.
Real life.
Look at the real life Down Under.U will say This lion just quote very extreme case
which occure once in a decade in the 22 million Australia or Oz.
This is not fair if i quote the recent sands storm.
Health care services there always appear in newspaper.
I urge u guys have to prepare if u go there.
Pl tell me the examples i quote here is a norm or extreme cases.
Men & women share same ward in Oz NSW public hospitals
Expectant mothers protest hospital crisis - ABC News (Australian ...
7 Feb 2009 ... Protesters have formed a ring around a hospital in northern New South Wales, where four doctors quit this week
Hames rejects hospital crisis claims - ABC News (Australian ...
- [ 翻译æ¤é¡µ ]4 Aug 2009 ... Western Australia's Health Minister, Kim Hames
New Life In Christ Ministries - Forums - Australia- Hospital Crisis
- [ 翻译æ¤é¡µ ]6 Oct 2007 ... Please pray that there will be a positive resolution to the hospital crisi
and mates.kindly compare more,
crimes rates,drugs problems,gangsters control....
Wait a minute, just a couple of months ago you were harping on the idea that Singapore has a higher GDP per Capita than US, Australia, Switzerland and Japan, therefore a better standard of living. Now you are eating up your own words and telling me otherwise?
Do you want me to dig out your post? You know why Australian newspaper report news even if it looks the Australian government look bad?
Who controls the press in Singapore? Who controls the press in Australia?
I have real life experiences where an incompetent Singaporean polyclinic doctor diagnosed my reactive lymph node as thyroid disease. Was asked to go for a series of blood test. After the blood test, I was told by another doctor that the other doctor misdiagnosed me. While I was being treated by the first doctor, the pharmacy called up, asked her about the prescription for a certain drug given to a patient, apparently she had overdosed the patient 10 times, because 0.5 became a 5. She used to be from Marine Parade polyclinic, her name is M.Y. Ang.
Just recently this year, my friend's mom was diagnosed with high probability of shingles by a GP. When she was admitted to Tan Tock Seng Hospital A&E, the attending physician told my friend that his mom definitely 100% don't have shingles. It was after she was warded that a specialist diagnose her with shingles, it really pissed my friend off.
The reason why everybody thinks that our health system is very efficient is because there are no bad publications regarding them. I wonder why this is so. Would having absolute control of the media have anything to do with it.
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Originally posted by gasband:
Firstly, wow you have such a deep appreciation of economics that I would never be able to fathom.
But of cos, of cos you are right. You say a waiter earns 26K AUD per year after taxes in OZ.. And a Singapore waiter earns 11K SGDafter taxes. Therefore, the disposable income is greater for the waiter in OZ right? May I know, what are your basis for saying that? Enlighten me.
It's common sense really.
If country A gives you higher disposable income, cheaper cost of living compared to country B which gives you less than half the disposable income of country A. Which would you choose?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
using % in expenditure as a yard stick is redicuous.
For example,
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2009_EN_Complete.pdf
199 (210 of 229) Table N,
search Table N,
SG health is just 6 %,while the No.1 to 22 nd countries using 10 to abt
20 % .Are u sure the 22 nd cooutries can give better health services
than SG?I think u can find some citoizens from these 22 countries coming to SG
to seek treatment.Pl note many of them who come to SG
just a middle class,not necessiarly billionaire.
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Using % in income for family or expenditure for gavaman as yard stick
cannot reflect the reality.For example, the lowest 5% income family in SG who spend say 20 % on foods.Their counter part in a third world country
spend 40%.Do u think the latter get better nutrition than SG?
You post the link again to emphasize that Australia is ranked No.2 and Singapore is ranked No.23 by the UN in terms of the Human Development Index?
You discredit the UN's system of assessment and consider your own assessment to be of higher standing than the UN's?
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Originally posted by gasband:
I think a better yardstick is using Discretionary Income after deducting all necessities. Singapore's CPI has risen 9 points or so since 2005. And OZ as a country average edge close to 10, not much difference but in different cities, you see the difference with Sydney much better off than us but cities like Darwin, Brisbane has CPI increase pushing close to 11 or 12. This means their necessities spending like FOOD has increase much more than Singapore and which only means that their extra income would go more to spending on necessities.
If the absolute amount is the best way to measure disposable income, then Malaysians or even Indonesians would be so happy. Every month, my colleagues in Indonesia would have MILLIONS of disposable income.
Inflation goes up, but salaries in Australia also goes up.
Inflation goes up in Singapore, but salaries go down due to excess competition from cheap PRC labour.
I think you totally have no concept of disposable income and purchasing power. I suppose that the Australian dollar is like the Indonesian rupiah.
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Originally posted by gasband:
I think a better yardstick is using Discretionary Income after deducting all necessities. Singapore's CPI has risen 9 points or so since 2005. And OZ as a country average edge close to 10, not much difference but in different cities, you see the difference with Sydney much better off than us but cities like Darwin, Brisbane has CPI increase pushing close to 11 or 12. This means their necessities spending like FOOD has increase much more than Singapore and which only means that their extra income would go more to spending on necessities.
If the absolute amount is the best way to measure disposable income, then Malaysians or even Indonesians would be so happy. Every month, my colleagues in Indonesia would have MILLIONS of disposable income.
This was done by the author sometime back. Do you know that there are no GST for basic food items, prescribed medication and books in Australia? Do you know that there are no property taxes in Australia if the house is occupied by the owner?If a person starts buying a house in Singapore when he is 28 and lives to 78. He would have paid SG$15,000 x 4% x 50 years = SG$30,000 in property taxes.
Say this average Singaporean making SG$11,160 (p.a. after taxes) uses all his income to pay for his housing 2 bedroom HDB of SG$183,000. At mortgage rate of 5.20% (fixed rate), he would need some 37.78 years to pay off his HDB flat. On top of this loan repayment, this Singaporean would still need to pay some SG$600 (Property Tax) + SG$110 (TV Licence) = SG$710 every year.
DBS Home Loan Packages
I am not sure if you do present value of an annuity, it would be easier, else you have to manually plug the numbers into a spreadsheet.
Yr1: SG$183,000 (loan) + SG$9,516 (interest) - SG$11,160 (repayment)
Yr2: SG$181,356 (loan) + SG$9,430 (interest) - SG$11,160 (repayment)
Yr3: SG$179,626....................................
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Yr38:......................
Say if an Australian making AU$26,865 (p.a. after taxes) uses all his income on an equivalent 2 bedroom condominium in Perth for AU$163,000. At a mortgage rate of 8.29% (fixed rate), he would need some 8.78 years to pay off his condominium.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Infant mortality rate:---ranking 224 --SG is the LOWEST in the WORLD!!
(deaths/1,000 live births)
SG--2.31...2009 est.
Australia--4.75 ...2009 est.
wat the hell.Oz rate is double of SG.Thats mean if your kid born in Oz,the chance is 100 % MORE!!OMG!!U call the second best country in the world.I salute your ignorance!!Are you telling us that Australia's infant mortality is a result of the poor healthcare system?
What do you know about infant mortality?
Do you know that race and genetics is a major factor in infant mortality?
Being born the way you are is also a result of genetics, your intelligence, the diseases you are likely to have in your lifetime, your height, your weight, etc.
You can fault a country's infant mortality because of genetic inheritance, likewise I can't fault you for your level of intelligence and bigotry.
From Britannica Encyclopedia, it states:
Futhermore, genetic defects are the major known cause of pregnancy loss in developed nations, and almost half of all spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) involve a chromosomally abnormal fetus. About 30 percent of all postnatal infant mortality in developed countries is due to genetic disease.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/228874/human-genetic-disease#ref=ref846010
The bar chart below shows the rate of racial infant mortality under the same healthcare system. It shows that Asians (doesn't just relate to Chinese, but I would think that the Chinese have better survival rate than the other Asians, notwithstanding Japanese) have a lower infant mortality rate compared to the Whites and maybe Aborigines in Australia.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/mch/fhop/fhop01/individuals01/FHOP01_79.pdf
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Originally posted by gasband:
All I can say is choose your poison.
Singapore is both an expensive and a cheap place to live in. Australia is also both an expensive and a cheap place to live in.
Singapore is bloody expensive when it comes to luxuries but necessities like food is by no means expensive.
Australia is so cheap when it comes to things like cars etc but food wise, its gonna cost you a fair bit.
What I am saying is, every country is different and what you have at the end of the day after deducting your taxes, what you decide to spend it on decides whether you would have enough.
Food is expensive if your compare the level of disposable income.
Australians earn much more but their food products are similar, if not cheaper than Singapore.
This comparison was done by the author in Jan 2008, not sure if the prices still hold. I know for a fact that Australian calrose rice in Cold Storage is at least SG$15 per 5kg. Milk products and meat is definitely cheaper in Australia than Singapore.
Woolworths Supermarket (Australia)
Sunrice Sunwhite Calrose Rice 5kg: AU$ 9.53
Australian Pork Roast Shoulder Boned & Rolled Min 1.5kg = AU$8.99
Cold Storage Supermarket (Singapore)
Calrose Australian Calrose Rice 5kg = SG$9.50 (Enter: Start Shopping, Grocery + Rice)
Rolled Pork Loin Rind On 1kg = SG$26.90 (Enter: Start Shopping, Meat + Pork)