SG Prez..7-digit annual SALARY simply untenable.
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Originally posted by Georgetan884:
don't forget lky & his age, health and salary ******* high
over 40 yrs - labelled as mature worker must lower expectation (lower/reduce) salary
what about over 80 yrs - zombie is it
how can their salary this high - funny hor
He and team can continue to draw high salary but ordinary folks are expected to accept exploitation.
LKY kicks the bucket
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I will never earn 3.9 million in my lifetime!!!!
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saved another problem unless kena toto
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Originally posted by OHSheet:
wait wait.. 6 digit or 7 digit?
6 digit will be 3.9 mil
7 digit will be 39 mil
from wiki
The Parliament of Singapore is required to provide a civil list for the maintenance of the President,[21] and it does so by way of the Civil List and Pension Act.[22] For the fiscal year 2009, the sum under Class I of the list, which includes the President's personal pay ($3,137,700, known by the British term the "privy purse"), an entertainment allowance ($69,000) and an allowance for an Acting President ($3,600), is $3,210,300.[23][24] This reduction of $822,800 from the 2008 fiscal year's approved expenditure is due to a decrease in the privy purse and a reclassification of expenses for ceremonies and celebrations hosted by the President from Class I to Class III expenses. The salaries for the President's personal staff (Class II) amount to $3,823,400, a reduction of $216,000 attributable to lower bonuses being paid in view of an expected economic slowdown. Class III expenses increased by $601,300 to $2,015,300. In addition to being used for ceremonies and celebrations, these expenses are used to cover the maintenance of the Istana, vehicles, utilities and other supplies. Class IV expenses for "special services" were increased from $89,000 to $598,400, to provide for the replacement of two state cars and the installation of a new document repository.[23] -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
The PAP said must pay high to prevent corruption. President Obama is not paid as high a salary as President Nathan, so does it mean that President Obama will corrupt?
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Originally posted by fireng:
1 day when PAP is no longer in power than we will charge them with corruption and send them to jail, just like the outcome of Chen Shui Bing
thats y they r so afriad of losing power. by the time if they did actually lost in their votes, LKY would alrdy be reincarnated at some other places liao
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Originally posted by OHSheet:
it only takes a gahmen about 4 years+ to get into some scandal or corruption. (if you'd see in most other countries).
now, PAP 50 years. im sure got alot of skeletons in their closet.
Nobody has yet open up the closet.
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Hope the next candidate dun accept the 7-digit annual salary because by doing so, he or she is unwittingly supporting the PAP out-of-this world salaries and also insist that the Prez. Election be held. Should be someone not older than seventy at the end of the term.
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Originally posted by qpicanto:
Hope the next candidate dun accept the 7-digit annual salary because by doing so, he or she is unwittingly supporting the PAP out-of-this world salaries and also insist that the Prez. Election be held. Should be someone not older than seventy at the end of the term.
Decision for appointing of President and salary issue still lie in the hands of old senile oppressor and PAP -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Decision for appointing of President and salary issue still lie in the hands of old senile oppressor and PAP
Is it the People Aged Party
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in corporate world - high salary = must bring money to coy - like banker bring f****** rich to let them invest
but what did our minister do - to deserve such high pay
scholars is like their asst only
funny hor
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Ladies and gentlemen,
It's obvious, such a reltively high salary is good.....
I think you are barking up the wrong tree.
Please, if you dare to ask for salary reduction, please also ask for the salary of teachers and policemen to be reduced as well.
I believe one of the reasons why Singapore is relatively efficiently run by its bureaucracy, and has low corruption, is due to its ability to attract and retain talent.
Once you destroy this main tenet, what happens is that only rejects and B-grade people will go into civil service and government.
I hope you understand.
So no, attacking their salary is not the answer.
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does singapore president need to work?
i tot he only need to attend prize presentation cermony, oversea tours, attend diners. he dont even dare to voice out for ppl of singapore against the ruling party. why? coz he is one of them!!
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Originally posted by Veggie Bao:
Ladies and gentlemen,
It's obvious, such a reltively high salary is good.....
I think you are barking up the wrong tree.
Please, if you dare to ask for salary reduction, please also ask for the salary of teachers and policemen to be reduced as well.
I believe one of the reasons why Singapore is relatively efficiently run by its bureaucracy, and has low corruption, is due to its ability to attract and retain talent.
Once you destroy this main tenet, what happens is that only rejects and B-grade people will go into civil service and government.
I hope you understand.
So no, attacking their salary is not the answer.
Quite frankly, i'm rather in favour of giving high salaries to the ministers because i believe it would be unavoidable for anyone to not be corrupted when placed in such a high position of power.
One can argue that if we have a proper election system and oppositions we can keep changing them until we get a honest one, which i do not really favour since it is the position itself that is corrupting not the person. We can keep changing the person and achieve nothing more than paralysing the system.
However, i can only accept this higher salary if an equivalent expectation of responsibility is attached to it. Sure we would give you a high salary, but the moment something under your administration fucks up you are expected to take total and immediate responsibility for it. If it was the fault of someone under you, you are still to blame for allowing that someone to mess up this badly.
As we can see from the escape of Mas Selamat, the government has no intention of allowing its ministers for shouldering the blame. It has became a privileged club of untouchables much like the bank and corporations CEOs that cause the Financial Meltdown where huge bonuses are still handed out despite huge losses and near bankruptcy.
Do i have to mention Ho Ching's recent record ? And the fact she still got to be CEO of Temasek in the end?
The carrot has to be used together with the stick in order for the system to be healthy.
Spare the rod, Spoil the Child. I have no reason to believe it's not applicable to adults as well.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Quite frankly, i'm rather in favour of giving high salaries to the ministers because i believe it would be unavoidable for anyone to not be corrupted when placed in such a high position of power.
That appears to be false premise.
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Originally posted by angel3070:
That appears to be false premise.
I'd probably regret continuing this with you but what would be your argument?
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corruption - then cpib is for what purpose
can check asset and bank a/c
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Originally posted by Georgetan884:
corruption - then cpib is for what purpose
can check asset and bank a/c
CPIB is only the instrument to detect and effect punishment.It doesn't remove it.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I'd probably regret continuing this with you but what would be your argument?
Argument for what?
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Seriously, they need the high salary so Singaporeans will have one more person to put the blame on if anything fails. High salary, sure. Who's face will people be pointing fingers at when things go wrong? For sure, it's going to be those highly salaried but ironically incompetent people. It may be easy money for one, but it's also highly risky money only those with guts will take. You take the money AND the responsibility. Ha!
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Stevenson101
i would like to ask you these qs - since lky said he care for singaporean want singapore to propser, why his annual salary is million can donate to charity what
why he still take the money
since he is so affluent already, his annual salary can help many needy singaporean
who don't liked money, i also liked money.
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wiki :"Main article: Privy Purse
Parliament meets much of the sovereign's official expenditure from public funds, known as the Civil List and the Grants-in-Aid. An annual Property Services Grant-in-Aid pays for the upkeep of the royal residences, and an annual Royal Travel Grant-in-Aid pays for travel. The Civil List covers most expenses, including those for staffing, state visits, public engagements, and official entertainment. Its size is fixed by Parliament every 10 years; any money saved may be carried forward to the next 10-year period.[94]"
The above is for British Monarch see its same same in syle in sg.
wiki :
"In 1959, following revisions to the Constitution, which granted Singapore internal self-government, the ceremonial post of Yang di-Pertuan Negara replaced the British colonial Governor. Under a transitional arrangement, the last British Governor, Sir William Allmond Codrington Goode, served as Yang di-Pertuan Negara from June 3 to December 3, 1959. He was succeeded by Yusof bin Ishak, who was sworn into office on the same day as the country's national flag, coat of arms, and national anthem were adopted."
Isnt SG Prez the legacy of the British Empire ?
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I would argue that high salaries in this case actually "unmotivates" the person.
After all, if I can get so much money without doing much work (thereby reducing the chances of screwups, notwithstanding the fact that screwups are always not your fault anyways), why bother working so hard?
This is similar to the backward bending supply curve of labour in economics - salary is so high that you are not motivated to work harder but instead choose to take more hours of leisure.
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of cos need to pay high high to shut his mouth up what
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Originally posted by Georgetan884:
Stevenson101
i would like to ask you these qs - since lky said he care for singaporean want singapore to propser, why his annual salary is million can donate to charity what
why he still take the money
since he is so affluent already, his annual salary can help many needy singaporean
who don't liked money, i also liked money.
i think you missed his point completely...that the system and the power distribution is centralized to a few is already created a state of limbo and cannot be objectives. and money is secondary if the designation are performing their job.