Citizens constitute only 63% of Singapore’s population
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Originally posted by LordoftheLamers:
Singapore does not have much of an identity to speak of, it's only 45 years old. or is it 44?
It is a nation of immigrants anyway.
44 i think.
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This is what happens when you have despots in power. They make policies good for themselves, their party, their cronies and their asslicking running dogs.
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So are we fucked yet?
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Originally posted by angel3070:
Seem to be missing entire point of article in first post.
So you PAP supporter?
I noticed you like to defend PAP rubbish policies.
so wat is ur point? Dun just cut and paste what other wrote.... we had express our view and u have yet to contributed anything useful so far....
people dun support PAP doesnt mean they have to bash them and blame everything that gone wrong on them.
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the 'citizens' includes converted foreigners.
so, there might be less made-in-singapore singaporeans than stated in the consensus.
we are fast becoming a minority in our own country, becoming strangers in our own land.
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Maybe opposition can get those newly converted PRC citizens to run as MP for the GRCs.
Beat them at their own game.
Hopefully those PRCs will vote in their kind.
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Originally posted by Man!x:
So are we fucked yet?
soon yes. you'll know when. Its when senile lee gets a heart attack.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Maybe opposition can get those newly converted PRC citizens to run as MP for the GRCs.
Beat them at their own game.
Hopefully those PRCs will vote in their kind.
good idea leh. might just work.
i think ill let SDP know on this, or you want to oso can.
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Originally posted by OHSheet:
good idea leh. might just work.
i think ill let SDP know on this, or you want to oso can.
Only those district with large proportion of PRC citizens.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Only those district with large proportion of PRC citizens.
i think PRC overflowing liao. their population like 1.2 billion!!!
so i wont be surprised if next time sg MP got from PRC,
or lagi best, future PM of sg from PRC. waa
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they have successfully invaded sg. hahaha
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Originally posted by EarlNeo:
people dun support PAP doesnt mean they have to bash them and blame everything that gone wrong on them.
I bash you because of your rubbish ideas. Talk nonsense about what's wrong with singaporeans turning to minority.
If I see someone talking rubbish, spreading nonsense, I will bash him.
I have to correct his rubbish ideas, otherwise he won't learn, some more influence others with rubbish ideas.
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Originally posted by OHSheet:
good idea leh. might just work.
i think ill let SDP know on this, or you want to oso can.
May be PRCs don't give a damn. Ghost stated that he saw PRCs hang 2 PRC flags outside the unit. PRC National Day is 1 October. -
May be Lhl should consider to groom PRC to be potential PM in future.
hahahah
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Originally posted by angel3070:
I bash you because of your rubbish ideas. Talk nonsense about what's wrong with singaporeans turning to minority.
If I see someone talking rubbish, spreading nonsense, I will bash him.
I have to correct his rubbish ideas, otherwise he won't learn, some more influence others with rubbish ideas.
if u so call bashing is just calling name and not answering people question or enlightening anyone.....
that is just being bitchy....
all one need it to look at ur past reply. Nothing but cursing & swearing... ie beside those c&p from others ppls blog or bits of news u found online....
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
You are in the bashing game again.YOu are enjoying it.
haha.....
more like a walk over....
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Originally posted by EarlNeo:
haha.....
more like a walk over....
Are you contesting for the next election? If you are, let us know which party you represent.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Maybe opposition can get those newly converted PRC citizens to run as MP for the GRCs.
Beat them at their own game.
Hopefully those PRCs will vote in their kind.
The political landscape next time might see special interest parties being formed due to the high influx of new citizens from certain countries.
Ironic that this will be the catalyst that weakens the incumbent party's hold in local politics.
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Since govt getting in so many foreigners, think it is high time PAP also look for FT minister to contest in the next election. Get from China or India, cheap cheap!
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I am an Australian citizen with Singapore PR. My wife is Singaporean, I have two Singaporean children and am planning for a third. I am neither an Australian, nor a Singaporean patriot and have served neither military.
This debate rages anywhere where nationalism flourishes. Why then do governments encourage nationalism? Because without it, nations would founder and collapse. It is therefore a necessary evil.
If your intent, angel3070, was to rally support for your agenda against the PAP immigration policy, then I am afraid it has failed, and furthermore you have no one but yourself to blame. It was not the eloquence of your contemporaries that struck you from your pill box, but rather your own lack of cogency and wit. Please, for the benefit of future issues you would like to champion, invest some earnest time, effort and thought before spilling your half formed sentiments. Subsequent readers may find the resultant dialogue enlightening, or at least entertaining. It is a simple correlation, the more research you can afford, the more effort others must expend to dismiss you.
Low skilled foreign workers do not drive up the cost of anything, in fact, they lower costs. The use of low skilled foreign workers in Singapore amounts to modern slavery, and is definitely in the interest, and to the benefit of the citizens of Singapore. They fulfil roles you would not spit upon, for remuneration you would cry over.
As for highly skilled workers, what are you really complaining about? The best players get picked first primarily because everyone wants their team to win. Do you or do you not want skilled players on your team?
Now comes the grey area, the importation of the merely skilled. Foreigners who compete against locals for jobs that the locals can do at any rate. I can only argue that there are other reasons for inviting other nationalities into your country than immediate monetary gain that have more to do with networking and globalization than anything else.
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Originally posted by Sunwukonga:
I am an Australian citizen with Singapore PR. My wife is Singaporean, I have two Singaporean children and am planning for a third. I am neither an Australian, nor a Singaporean patriot and have served neither military.
I'm confused.
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Originally posted by charlize:
The political landscape next time might see special interest parties being formed due to the high influx of new citizens from certain countries.
Ironic that this will be the catalyst that weakens the incumbent party's hold in local politics.
Change is inevitable, it's only a matter of time.
Nothing last forever - Sidney Sheldon.
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Originally posted by Sunwukonga:
I am an Australian citizen with Singapore PR. My wife is Singaporean, I have two Singaporean children and am planning for a third. I am neither an Australian, nor a Singaporean patriot and have served neither military.
This debate rages anywhere where nationalism flourishes. Why then do governments encourage nationalism? Because without it, nations would founder and collapse. It is therefore a necessary evil.
If your intent, angel3070, was to rally support for your agenda against the PAP immigration policy, then I am afraid it has failed, and furthermore you have no one but yourself to blame. It was not the eloquence of your contemporaries that struck you from your pill box, but rather your own lack of cogency and wit. Please, for the benefit of future issues you would like to champion, invest some earnest time, effort and thought before spilling your half formed sentiments. Subsequent readers may find the resultant dialogue enlightening, or at least entertaining. It is a simple correlation, the more research you can afford, the more effort others must expend to dismiss you.
Low skilled foreign workers do not drive up the cost of anything, in fact, they lower costs. The use of low skilled foreign workers in Singapore amounts to modern slavery, and is definitely in the interest, and to the benefit of the citizens of Singapore. They fulfil roles you would not spit upon, for remuneration you would cry over.
As for highly skilled workers, what are you really complaining about? The best players get picked first primarily because everyone wants their team to win. Do you or do you not want skilled players on your team?
Now comes the grey area, the importation of the merely skilled. Foreigners who compete against locals for jobs that the locals can do at any rate. I can only argue that there are other reasons for inviting other nationalities into your country than immediate monetary gain that have more to do with networking and globalization than anything else.
Since when does cheap foreign labour lower the cost for products and services in Singapore? These cheap foreign labour have a lower cost base in their home country. If they remit SG$200 back to China, it becomes RMB1,000, which is more than sufficient to sustain his parents.These cheap foreign labour drive down the salary of the Singapore market, having less salary while the cost of products and services have gone up. Doesn't this equate to a decrease in real wages (decrease in purchasing power) and an increase in the cost of products and services? Since 2004, have there been any decreases in anything (apart from electronic obsolescence)? My plate of chicken rice was SG$3 in 2004, it has gone through 4 increases and is currently selling at $3.80.
Networking and Globalisation from the merely skilled? You believe that an MNC would use the networks of a merely skilled individual? Ask any boss, for the reason for employing foreigners, they will tell you it's either no Singaporean wants to do it (in other labour markets, wages would increase to raise the labour supply, but in Singapore, they chose to import PRCs for the job), or it's because the foreigners are cheaper (due to their lower cost base back home). But then again we don't have proper labour union to fight for workers' rights, that's why the workers get trampled on by powerful corporations.
Ask yourself this question also.
Do we really live in a truly globalized world where there are no borders?
Can a Singaporean move unrestricted to a Nordic country and make his home there?
If the Nordic countries welcome foreigners to be citizens like Singapore, I think I would have moved over long ago.
Globalisation is just a lame excuse for all the aggrieved labour policies that they have committed.
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Singapore is hardly a nation suffering under the cruel aegis of the development of underdevelopment. Globalization in the context of Singapore means the exploitation of other nations in favour of Singapore, not vice versa.
Singapore has profited from globalization like no other nation on earth.
As for the cost of living in Singapore, I must respectfully beg to differ. Take for instance a country like Australia, a nation whom, thanks to a functioning democracy, does not employ slave labour. You can expect your chicken rice to cost a neat AUD$12.50 (SIN$15.50).
Singapore needs strong networks, in fact, Singapore cannot survive without them. It a testament to how lucky Singaporeans are that they have leadership, elected or not, that realizes Singapore's unique set of strength and weaknesses. That leadership has realized that Singapore may need to liaise very closely with the emerging economic super power that will be China in the near future. It is no mistake that Singapore seems biased toward the immigration of Chinese nationals. What is wrong with importing and nationalizing a set of persons immediately ready to fulfil Singapore's need?
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Originally posted by Sunwukonga:
I am an Australian citizen with Singapore PR. My wife is Singaporean, I have two Singaporean children and am planning for a third. I am neither an Australian, nor a Singaporean patriot and have served neither military.
This debate rages anywhere where nationalism flourishes. Why then do governments encourage nationalism? Because without it, nations would founder and collapse. It is therefore a necessary evil.
If your intent, angel3070, was to rally support for your agenda against the PAP immigration policy, then I am afraid it has failed, and furthermore you have no one but yourself to blame. It was not the eloquence of your contemporaries that struck you from your pill box, but rather your own lack of cogency and wit. Please, for the benefit of future issues you would like to champion, invest some earnest time, effort and thought before spilling your half formed sentiments. Subsequent readers may find the resultant dialogue enlightening, or at least entertaining. It is a simple correlation, the more research you can afford, the more effort others must expend to dismiss you.
Low skilled foreign workers do not drive up the cost of anything, in fact, they lower costs. The use of low skilled foreign workers in Singapore amounts to modern slavery, and is definitely in the interest, and to the benefit of the citizens of Singapore. They fulfil roles you would not spit upon, for remuneration you would cry over.
As for highly skilled workers, what are you really complaining about? The best players get picked first primarily because everyone wants their team to win. Do you or do you not want skilled players on your team?
Now comes the grey area, the importation of the merely skilled. Foreigners who compete against locals for jobs that the locals can do at any rate. I can only argue that there are other reasons for inviting other nationalities into your country than immediate monetary gain that have more to do with networking and globalization than anything else.
Perhaps you wanna be a local, born and bred here, having no or little education, struggling to stay employed or seeking for employment to understand the less privilege Singaporeans.
Zi shang dan bing! cnn