To the spammer known as knnb*cb** part III

• Jason

  28 Sep 09, 23:12

  Originally posted by knnbpcb65:

  Jason, before you venture to advise me on how to solve my problems, i think that you have to answer a few questions:

   

  1) Since the mods do not get  paid, why are they so enthusiastic about performing their duties?

   

  2) I am not the only person who posted the so called nonsenses on SG forum, so why are the mods 'training their guns' on me? Is it because what i am doing hurts the vested interests of some individuals severely?

   

  3)It is with regards to your mod greengoblin. during his debate with parn, he claims that he follows the instructions of you and fireice, but unfortunately, his conduct is in no way suggesting that he is following instructions. Instead, he seems to be following his own initiatives!

   

  As for the possible reasons, i don't wish to speculate, so it is up to you to explain publicly in SG forum as why this is the case!

   

  I sincerely hope that you will address these questions in a straightforward manner in SG forum before you venture to advise me on how to solve my problems!

  part I: http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/376563

  part II: http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/376724

   

  I shall humour you and your questions, let's see if this stops the spamming:

  1) Since the mods do not get  paid, why are they so enthusiastic about performing their duties?

  A: Money is not everything to them.
  

   

  2) I am not the only person who posted the so called nonsenses on SG forum, so why are the mods 'training their guns' on me? Is it because what i am doing hurts the vested interests of some individuals severely?

  A: You will be banned continuously as long as your actions continue to prevent others' enjoyment and use of the forums.
  

   

  3)It is with regards to your mod greengoblin. during his debate with parn, he claims that he follows the instructions of you and fireice, but unfortunately, his conduct is in no way suggesting that he is following instructions. Instead, he seems to be following his own initiatives!

  A: All mods are volunteers whose role is to maintain a positive environment in the forums.

  
  

  Be advised, you are no longer dealing with any mods, I have been personally involved since part I of this fiasco. Despite this, you have still continued with your spamming. I believe your behaviour is illegal, and maybe even criminal in nature. I do not want to escalate this further, but will have no choice if you do not stop.
  
• eagle

  29 Sep 09, 11:24

  Jason, I would suggest a few things for you to improve this forum. Some of my ideas were from since long ago. Let me gather my thoughts and pm you.

• Herzog_Zwei

  29 Sep 09, 11:39

  As i had posted before, orders came down from somewhere very high in the government to have knnbccb assasinated.

• fireng

  29 Sep 09, 12:19

  how are you going to escalate this further

• Pentaxdude90

  29 Sep 09, 13:00

  The mods are just clutching at straws la. You don't expect them to have CIA technology to actually trace knnbpccb?

• deepak.c

  29 Sep 09, 13:14

   

  I didn't know spamming is a criminal offence now.

   

   

• the Bear

  29 Sep 09, 13:29

  Originally posted by deepak.c:

   

  I didn't know spamming is a criminal offence now.

   

   

  
  the content of the spam is

• fireng

  29 Sep 09, 13:33

  Originally posted by deepak.c:

   

  I didn't know spamming is a criminal offence now.

   

   

  Have to say its a criminal offence to scare him to stop spamming mah

• deepak.c

  29 Sep 09, 13:46

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  
  the content of the spam is

   

  Don't think the contents are criminal in nature that is prosecutable by public law.

   

  This is Singapore not US, I think US have some laws against spamming.

  But then again, I don't think it covers posting non-commercial spams.

  http://www.ftc.gov/spam/

  http://www.spamlaws.com/spam-laws.html

   

  Singapore's CMA certainly doesn't cover spamming.

   

   

• fireng

  29 Sep 09, 13:57

  Originally posted by deepak.c:

   

  Don't think the contents are criminal in nature that is prosecutable by public law.

   

  This is Singapore not US, I think US have some laws against spamming.

  But then again, I don't think it covers posting non-commercial spams.

  http://www.ftc.gov/spam/

  http://www.spamlaws.com/spam-laws.html

   

  Singapore's CMA certainly doesn't cover spamming.

   

   

  anti pap contents are considered as criminal in singapore

• Rock^Star

  29 Sep 09, 14:18

  put dicks like knnbccb in jail and see whether he still wana spam not.

• ^Acid^ aka s|aO^eH~

  29 Sep 09, 14:57

  He post forum too? I only know he's a nuisance in the shoutbox... But most of us ignored him so still ok....

  but well yeah, �大 hath spoken...

  /me grabs my popcorns...

   

• Midlusionz

  29 Sep 09, 15:30

  Got conclusion boh? Lol, too busy working no time to follow up

• Fantagf

  29 Sep 09, 15:34

  OMG, this is part III thread.  I thought the part II is the latest.   wow, knnb is given such great attention.    Knnb, ni cheng gong le, hahaha

• gd4u

  29 Sep 09, 15:51

  Now we know clone of the year is who liao ...

• Jason

  29 Sep 09, 15:54

  Was surfing internet this afternoon and guess what I clicked onto, Singapore's Computer Misuse Act

  From: http://agcvldb4.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_getdata.pl?actno=2007-REVED-50A&doctitle=COMPUTER%20MISUSE%20ACT%0A&date=latest&method=part&sl=1&segid=1185935059-000173#1185935059-000176

   

  PART II

  OFFENCES

  Unauthorised access to computer material
  3. —(1) Subject to subsection (2), any person who knowingly causes a computer to perform any function for the purpose of securing access without authority to any program or data held in any computer shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (2) If any damage is caused as a result of an offence under this section, a person convicted of the offence shall be liable to a fine not exceeding $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (3) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial that the act in question is not directed at —

  (a) any particular program or data;

  (b) a program or data of any kind; or

  (c) a program or data held in any particular computer.

  [UK CMA 1990, s. 1]

  Access with intent to commit or facilitate commission of offence
  4. —(1) Any person who causes a computer to perform any function for the purpose of securing access to any program or data held in any computer with intent to commit an offence to which this section applies shall be guilty of an offence.

  [21/98]

  (2) This section shall apply to an offence involving property, fraud, dishonesty or which causes bodily harm and which is punishable on conviction with imprisonment for a term of not less than 2 years.

  [21/98]

  (3) Any person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (4) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial whether —

  (a) the access referred to in subsection (1) is authorised or unauthorised;

  (b) the offence to which this section applies is committed at the same time when the access is secured or at any other time.

  [21/98]

  [UK CMA 1990, s. 2]

  Unauthorised modification of computer material
  5. —(1) Subject to subsection (2), any person who does any act which he knows will cause an unauthorised modification of the contents of any computer shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (2) If any damage is caused as a result of an offence under this section, a person convicted of the offence shall be liable to a fine not exceeding $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (3) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial that the act in question is not directed at —

  (a) any particular program or data;

  (b) a program or data of any kind; or

  (c) a program or data held in any particular computer.

  (4) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial whether an unauthorised modification is, or is intended to be, permanent or merely temporary. [UK CMA 1990, s. 3]

  Unauthorised use or interception of computer service
  6. —(1) Subject to subsection (2), any person who knowingly —

  (a) secures access without authority to any computer for the purpose of obtaining, directly or indirectly, any computer service;

  (b) intercepts or causes to be intercepted without authority, directly or indirectly, any function of a computer by means of an electro-magnetic, acoustic, mechanical or other device; or

  (c) uses or causes to be used, directly or indirectly, the computer or any other device for the purpose of committing an offence under paragraph (a) or (b),

  shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (2) If any damage is caused as a result of an offence under this section, a person convicted of the offence shall be liable to a fine not exceeding $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (3) For the purposes of this section, it is immaterial that the unauthorised access or interception is not directed at —

  (a) any particular program or data;

  (b) a program or data of any kind; or

  (c) a program or data held in any particular computer.

  [Canada CLAA 1985, s. 301.2 (1)]

  Unauthorised obstruction of use of computer
  7. —(1) Any person who, knowingly and without authority or lawful excuse —

  (a) interferes with, or interrupts or obstructs the lawful use of, a computer; or

  (b) impedes or prevents access to, or impairs the usefulness or effectiveness of, any program or data stored in a computer,

  shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (2) If any damage is caused as a result of an offence under this section, a person convicted of the offence shall be liable to a fine not exceeding $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  Unauthorised disclosure of access code
  8. —(1) Any person who, knowingly and without authority, discloses any password, access code or any other means of gaining access to any program or data held in any computer shall be guilty of an offence if he did so —

  (a) for any wrongful gain;

  (b) for any unlawful purpose; or

  (c) knowing that it is likely to cause wrongful loss to any person.

  [21/98]

  (2) Any person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  Enhanced punishment for offences involving protected computers
  9. —(1) Where access to any protected computer is obtained in the course of the commission of an offence under section 3, 5, 6 or 7, the person convicted of such an offence shall, in lieu of the punishment prescribed in those sections, be liable to a fine not exceeding $100,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 20 years or to both.

  [21/98]

  (2) For the purposes of subsection (1), a computer shall be treated as a “protected computer” if the person committing the offence knew, or ought reasonably to have known, that the computer or program or data is used directly in connection with or necessary for —

  (a) the security, defence or international relations of Singapore;

  (b) the existence or identity of a confidential source of information relating to the enforcement of a criminal law;

  (c) the provision of services directly related to communications infrastructure, banking and financial services, public utilities, public transportation or public key infrastructure; or

  (d) the protection of public safety including systems related to essential emergency services such as police, civil defence and medical services.

  [21/98]

  (3) For the purposes of any prosecution under this section, it shall be presumed, until the contrary is proved, that the accused has the requisite knowledge referred to in subsection (2) if there is, in respect of the computer, program or data, an electronic or other warning exhibited to the accused stating that unauthorised access to that computer, program or data attracts an enhanced penalty under this section.

  [21/98]

  Abetments and attempts punishable as offences
  10. —(1) Any person who abets the commission of or who attempts to commit or does any act preparatory to or in furtherance of the commission of any offence under this Act shall be guilty of that offence and shall be liable on conviction to the punishment provided for the offence. (2) For an offence to be committed under this section, it is immaterial where the act in question took place.

  
  

• Jason

  29 Sep 09, 16:00

  Remember this guy who got jailed for 3 months for using his neighbour's wifi? (http://digital.asiaone.com/Digital/News/Story/A1Story20070523-8351.html)

  According to the article, he pleaded guilty to nine charges under the computer misuse act! This is interesting as the statutes list only eight types of offences. Of course, he could be charged for the same offence several times.

• Shao Wei

  29 Sep 09, 16:06

  the King has spoken

• charlize

  29 Sep 09, 16:09

  This forum is hosted overseas?

   

  Does Sg law still apply?

   

  If so, who decides (police?) that any computer misuse is deemed worthy of legal action?

   

  Perhaps anybody who has some legal background can comment.

• deepak.c

  29 Sep 09, 16:09

   

  His spamming doesn't fall into any of these catergories.

   

  The other guy was jailed because of unauthorized use of computer service.

   

  Anyway, are you using his Zhuge Liang's ç©ºåŸŽè®¡ against him?

   

  You learn fast.

   

  You have to wait and see if your ruse works against him.

   

   

• deepak.c

  29 Sep 09, 16:11

   

  Anyway I am enjoying the show.

   

   

• fireng

  29 Sep 09, 16:11

  Originally posted by deepak.c:

   

  His spamming doesn't fall into any of these catergories.

   

  The other guy was jailed because of unauthorized use of computer service.

   

  Anyway, are you using his Zhuge Liang's ç©ºåŸŽè®¡ against him?

   

  You learn fast.

   

  You have to wait and see if your ruse works against him.

   

   

  Zhuge Liang's ç©ºåŸŽè®¡ is not real. It is only a story in the romance of the 3 kingdom but did not happen in real life

• charlize

  29 Sep 09, 16:11

  Originally posted by deepak.c:

   

  His spamming doesn't fall into any of these catergories.

   

  The other guy was jailed because of unauthorized use of computer service.

   

  Anyway, are you using his Zhuge Liang's ç©ºåŸŽè®¡ against him?

   

  You learn fast.

   

  You have to wait and see if your ruse works against him.

   

   

  Everything is here for him to read.

   

  Any plans, further actions (real or otherwise) against him, he will know.

• fireng

  29 Sep 09, 16:12

  Originally posted by charlize:

  Everything is here for him to read.

   

  Any plans, further actions (real or otherwise) against him, he will know.

  there is a possibility that he will be scare and stop it. but because he is so famous there might be other knnbccb wannabe might continue impersonating him and continue spamming using his nick

• Fantagf

  29 Sep 09, 16:13

  Originally posted by charlize:

  This forum is hosted overseas?

   

  Does Sg law still apply?

   

  If so, who decides (police?) that any computer misuse is deemed worthy of legal action?

   

  Perhaps anybody who has some legal background can comment.

  
  Police can do nothing , really.