If you are leaving Singapore, where will you go?!
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Originally posted by Boomslang4829:
Woah, why would anyone in their right mind want to buy a Chrylser???
And similarly, I personally won't buy a car in SG for the reason you mention, dumping a good car after only 10 years. But the public transport system is pretty good in SG for old ppl, with buses, MRT, and taxis. Come over here to the US, and you see all the 80+ year old drivers who are SO dangerous weaving here and there. You're not supposed to be drinving when you're so old...but they don't have a choice since the public transportation system sucks here.
The standard of living in SG is WAY cheap compared to developed countries, especially if you take out te cost of cars. HDB flats are still cheap. Look at the food and groceries prices, way lower than other developed countries like Japan, US, Europe. And that's a fact. Surveys are always manipulated, but I've shopped in many developed countries before, and everyday necessities are so much more expensive than in SG.
please be aware that the SOL is also a measure of the buying power of the people. You would find that the items on shelves in sg is much cheaper than those in the US, or european countries, as sg workers are receiving a low wage.
By comparing the wage vs buying power, sg ranks among the lowest in buying power, and hence, also reflecting the SOL.
Lower wages= cheaper goods
higher wages= higher goods.
the only way to measure it is in terms of the buying power.
well. you need'nt get a chrysler 300c. Im just using that car model to emphasise the point that you can purchase a luxury car under the price of 10k
Well. you might also consider a ford which can be bought from dealers for 2k. that'll save you 8k. And im sure it'll be a more worthwhile choice to do so, rather than patronising the public transport in sg.
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Originally posted by SpeedStar:
I like how lionoasis point out...and I have to agree some of the things he point out. I am also one of the guys who prefer to stay in sg. But I do not see ppl who migrate as quitters. Its all about free will, and I have to say u can make a choice if u dont like it here...do it while u are single :)
Cheers
Thanks. While we are not all that happy, there is a difference between comaplaining and then complain again again; and complaint and do something about it.I hope we have more of the latter...
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article is here :: http://www.transitioning.org/2009/08/26/ubs-study-singaporeans-not-better-off-than-those-in-third-world-countries/
Ill just give a brief extract from the article::
Low wages
Singapore has a GDP (PPP) per capita higher than Switzerland, but our wages are way below the Swiss.
The UBS study found that employees in Copenhagen, Zurich, Geneva and New York have the highest gross earnings. With its extremely high gross wages and comparatively low tax rates, Switzerland is a very employee-friendly country.
The net wages used have been deducted for taxes and social security.
Zurich and Geneva have wage indices (gross) of 119.8 and 107.5 respectively. In contrast, Singapore has a wage index of only 31.3, comparable with Moscow (30.9), Tallinn (28.7) and Johannesburg (26.7).
In the Asia-Pacific region, it is exceeded by Tokyo (83.0), Sydney (74.1), Auckland (44.1), Hong Kong (42.3), Taipei (35.5) and Seoul (32.3)Low domestic purchasing power
Where does an average income buy the most products and services? Wages alone do not determine the standard of living in a particular city or country.
A better way to measure prosperity is to divide the average annual salary by the total price of a selected basket of goods and services (as used in the UBS study). This tells us how much purchasing power local wages.
Again, Zurich (106.9), Sydney (95.9) and Luxembourg (95.4) topped the list – its citizens have the highest domestic purchasing power.
Singaporeans have a low purchasing power of only 39.9, comparable to Kuala Lumpur (39.5), Warsaw (34.0) and Bogota (33.7).
Other countries in the Asia-Pacific region which are ahead of us are Tokyo (82.2), Auckland (68.9), Taipei (58.9), Hong Kong (58.1) and Seoul (57.4).
In other words, though the cost of living is higher in Tokyo, the average Japanese has a domestic purchasing power more than twice that of an average Singaporean.
Though Malaysia is still a developing country and has a GDP (PPP) per capita of only $14,215, less than 3 times of ours, the ordinary Malaysian citizen has about the same domestic purchasing power as the Singaporean.Low relative purchasing power of wages
This is calculated in the UBS study by using a specific, highly uniform product that is available everywhere in the same quality, and then calculate how long an employee has to work to afford it in each city.
For the purpose of this article, the iPod nano (with 8 GB of storage) is used.
An average wage earner is Zurich and New York can buy a nano from an Apple store after nine hours of work. A Singapore worker will have to work three times longer after 27.5 hours.
The figures for selected Asia-Pacific cities are as follows: Sydney (9.5hrs), Tokyo (12hrs), Auckland (16hrs), Hong Kong (19hrs), Seoul (22hrs) and Taipei (23.5hrs). Again we came in last among the 4 Asian Tigers.
Long working hoursPeople work an average of 1,902 hours per year in the surveyed cities, but they work much longer in Asian and Middle Eastern cities, averaging 2,119 and 2,063 per year respectively.
European cities had the lowest working hours per year. A global comparison showed the people in Lyon and Paris spend the least amount of time at work: 1,582 and 1,594 hours respectively.
Singaporeans spent on average 2,088 hours at work per year with 11 days of vacation.
This is less than Hong Kong (2,295) and Seoul (2,312), but more than Tokyo (1,997), Taipei (2,074), Sydney (1,747) and Auckland (1,884).
Singaporeans also took the least number of holidays after Hong Kongers (10 days/year).
High cost of livingSingapore was ranked the second most expensive place to live in after Tokyo, surpassing Hong Kong for the first time.
Let us compare the food prices in Singapore and other developed countries since food is a basic necessity.
In the UBS study, a basket of 39 food items is put together and weighted mainly according to Western European consumption habits. The average worldwide cost of the basket is USD385.
In Asia, Tokyo topped the list with an index of 124.7, followed by Hong Kong (96.5), Singapore (89.4), Seoul (89.0), Taipei (67.9) and Sydney (66.3) -
i hope that answers your question Boomslang4829. Thanks.
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those who remain as Singapore citizens for more than three generations would eventually be rewarded with much higher priority when the country achieved a buffer interest / dividend income of 1.5 to 2 times.
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after many many generations,,,,,,,,,i would only be rewarded with a a medal embedded on my grave at most and a bottle of newwater.i have lost hope with spore pap...lky//lhl...the whole werks.
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Originally posted by Daddy!!:
those who remain as Singapore citizens for more than three generations would eventually be rewarded with much higher priority when the country achieved a buffer interest / dividend income of 1.5 to 2 times.
Hi,
Where did you get that info.? And with the inflation and other provisions (like spread out withdrawals, taxes...), the impact will probably be minimized, speaking from experience.
Look at the GST rebate, do we really benefit that much? No, just tip money to get people to keep quiet for a while, and they will earn it back anyway.
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in the future, you will see this
In Singapore, the interest / dividend income from reserves will sustain a welfare state, only to citizens. Citizenship is classed into 2 types, sustained one with more than two or three generations who lived and work in Singapore and a recent one less than one generation. The "higher" type will have a "higher" claim.
In the west, welfare system will be withdrawn as their reserves cannot sustain the withdrawals.
The sun has set in the west and will rise in the east.
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Originally posted by Daddy!!:
in the future, you will see this
In Singapore, the interest / dividend income from reserves will sustain a welfare state, only to citizens. Citizenship is classed into 2 types, sustained one with more than two or three generations who lived and work in Singapore and a recent one less than one generation. The "higher" type will have a "higher" claim.
In the west, welfare system will be withdrawn as their reserves cannot sustain the withdrawals.
The sun has set in the west and will rise in the east.
Hi, how do you know, of you dun mind my asking? -
Originally posted by OHSheet:
i hope that answers your question Boomslang4829. Thanks.
Oh yeah, I forgot to initially mention that I was hypothertically considering retiring in SG after working in the US, so that's probably the discrepancy over why I find SG affordable... -
wait.oz.....
why did so few suggest oz?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
wait.oz.....
why did so few suggest oz?
i think racism is the key issue -
Hey people,
Seems there is no better choice than where we are huh...?
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Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
i think racism is the key issueWith the amount of bad mouthing by the noisy pussy towards Oz, can it be racism ?
It will be comforting for those who have already entered Oz, to know that the noisy pussy will be kept out by the strict rules concerning noisy pussies.
Anyway, if only the noisylion will just admit itself to be a real "pussy" - and a noisy one, perhaps it maybe considered to be less of a threat and more compatible with the native animals such kangaroos and wallabies in Oz.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
With the amount of bad mouthing by the noisy pussy towards Oz, can it be racism ?
It will be comforting for those who have already entered Oz, to know that the noisy pussy will be kept out by the strict rules concerning noisy pussies.
Anyway, if only the noisylion will just admit itself to be a real "pussy" - and a noisy one, perhaps it maybe considered to be less of a threat and more compatible with the native animals such kangaroos and wallabies in Oz.
And you, who have nothing constructive to add to the thread, will continue to badmouth someone who is excercising his freedom of speech -Lionnoisy, with intentions to smear and hurt? What would that amount to and makes you?
I know of dictators and the way they do things, and your ways are similarly tyrannical. Dangerous for someone like you to dabble in politics, i would say.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
And you, who have nothing constructive to add to the thread, will continue to badmouth someone who is excercising his freedom of speech -Lionnoisy, with intentions to smear and hurt? What would that amount to and makes you?
I know of dictators and the way they do things, and your ways are similarly tyrannical. Dangerous for someone like you to dabble in politics, i would say.
Has the X-rated kid a plagiarized axe to grind as well ?Must have been the "wall of text" that was too honest for you to respond to, and will selectively choose your the right thread to show your plagiarized works ?
Are you certain that you can cope with more "Wall of honest to goodness Text" ?
It is best that you say "cheerio" early before you get embarrassed by another "Wall of Text" that pull your pants down and expose the truth of your X-rated short-coming ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Has the X-rated kid a plagiarized axe to grind as well ?Must have been the "wall of text" that was too honest for you to respond to, and will selectively choose your the right thread to show your plagiarized works ?
Are you certain that you can cope with more "Wall of honest to goodness Text" ?
It is best that you say "cheerio" early before you get embarrassed by another "Wall of Text" that pull your pants down and expose the truth of your X-rated short-coming ?
Go on tubby, I am enjoying this,. to let others see who they had been listening to and wasted their precious time for consideration. Each post reveal more of you and your despotic tyrannical agenda.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Go on tubby, I am enjoying this,. to let others see who they had been listening to and wasted their precious time for consideration. Each post reveal more of you and your despotic tyrannical agenda.
Are you enjoying this ?You must be gritting your teeth in masochistic anger as seen in the idiocy of the smiley that you picked.
Tyrannical agenda ?
Now who have you plagiarized this clever phrase from ?
Try harder to hold your pants up, or the X-rated shorty will be exposed soon.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Are you enjoying this ?You must be gritting your teeth in masochistic anger as seen in the idiocy of the smiley that you picked.
Tyrannical agenda ?
Now who have you plagiarized this clever phrase from ?
Try harder to hold your pants up, or the X-rated shorty will be exposed soon.
Running out of originality and need to copy my words and repeating your own words for your rhetoric. C'mon, this is only the beginning..
Can I expect anything better from you? I hope so, for I eagerly await...
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Running out of originality and need to copy my words and repeating your own words for your rhetoric. C'mon, this is only the beginning..
Can I expect anything better from you? I hope so, for I eagerly await...
Obviously, you cannot differentiate between plagiarizing and "play-giarizing".
How can we expect a X-rated kiddo to understand anything, when half the time he is worried of getting his oversized pants pulled down so easily ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Obviously, you cannot differentiate between plagiarizing and "play-giarizing".
How can we expect a X-rated kiddo to understand anything, when half the time he is worried of getting his oversized pants pulled down so easily ?
Nah, it would be you who seems more concerned about my pants. Perhaps that is all that you are capable of - below the belt issues.
C'mon, this aint Bar Corner forum. This is the Speaker's corner, I remind you, but then when you have to resort to insults and repetitions of it, I guess you have run out of things to add.
Thus will your reputation and your words remain. Have fun!
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Nah, it would be you who seems more concerned about my pants. Perhaps that is all that you are capable of - below the belt issues.
C'mon, this aint Bar Corner forum. This is the Speaker's corner, I remind you, but then when you have to resort to insults and repetitions of it, I guess you have run out of things to add.
Thus will your reputation and your words remain. Have fun!
With your expertise in entertaining us with your X-rated views, you certainly belong to the corner at the Bar forum.There are always alot to add with the likes of you providing all the fun.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
With your expertise in entertaining us with your X-rated views, you certainly belong to the corner at the Bar forum.There are always alot to add with the likes of you providing all the fun.
Thats all you can come up with?
So much for 'language above us all' nonsensical presumptions. Cut the bullshit about use of language already. Facts are facts, no matter how one beautifies or embellishes it, or use another nick to praise it.
It is the same to a roadsweeper or to a genome scientist, with only more patience to explain to some if one indeed truly believes in one's message and the real hope it can bring.
No need to be ambigious or hide responsibilities for one's veiw, or change will never come. Only insufferable con artists do that.
Speaking of fun, hey, you are providing the afternoon tea break fun here! How does it feel now, when the dish is returned, that which you always enjoy and take maschoistic pleasure in?
Not that fun now eh, tubby, to be played around like merry go round?
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Thats all you can come up with?
So much for 'language above us all' nonsensical presumptions. Cut the bullshit about use of language already. Facts are facts, no matter how one beautifies or embellishes it, or use another nick to praise it.
It is the same to a roadsweeper or to a genome scientist, with only more patience to explain to some if one indeed truly believes in one's message and the real hope it can bring.
No need to be ambigious or hide responsibilities for one's veiw, or change will never come. Only insufferable con artists do that.
Speaking of fun, hey, you are providing the afternoon tea break fun here! How does it feel now, when the dish is returned, that which you always enjoy and take maschoistic pleasure in?
Not that fun now eh, tubby, to be played around like merry go round?
As had been expected of a X-rated kid - do we expect you to go beyond the "merry go round " ?Only a pathetic kid like you will think that you are leading in a "merry go round" when you are at the center of being played.
Have you been returning the dish ?
It looked pretty well cleaned, after the leftovers was intended for your consumption; and regrettably, the dish that you returned was poorly cleaned as some stains still remain as testimony to your shoddiness.
Can you handle facts ?
It seems that you have walked away more then a few times, when your presumptious positions have been consistently cut up and each parts addressed in detail with honest facts that overwhelmed you with the "Wall of Honest Text" that you simply cope and prefer to walk away with a hurried "cheerio" of a X-rated kid.
Your hot air is becoming too familiar, and it has been fun pouring cold water to turn it into steam.
Keep it boiling, we may make some good use from the steam that we get from you.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
As had been expected of a X-rated kid - do we expect you to go beyond the "merry go round " ?Only a pathetic kid like you will think that you are leading in a "merry go round" when you are at the center of being played.
Have you been returning the dish ?
It looked pretty well cleaned, after the leftovers was intended for your consumption; and regrettably, the dish that you returned was poorly cleaned as some stains still remain as testimony to your shoddiness.
Can you handle facts ?
It seems that you have walked away more then a few times, when your presumptious positions have been consistently cut up and each parts addressed in detail with honest facts that overwhelmed you with the "Wall of Honest Text" that you simply cope and prefer to walk away with a hurried "cheerio" of a X-rated kid.
Your hot air is becoming too familiar, and it has been fun pouring cold water to turn it into steam.
Keep it boiling, we may make some good use from the steam that we get from you.
You ARE an obedient child!!!!!!!
Newer insults now, but still not good enough. It seems done in the same tone, mixed with repetitions. You will need to be more creative. There may be hope yet, but i dare not bank on it.
But hey, I do think it would be a good idea to take a break now. You know why, cos you have nothing serious or constructive to add the thread. It's hogging it and detrimental to others.
You dont care about others, as you tyrannically often do, but i do care.
Till we meet again, cheerios! ( that is if you obediently listen to me once again, but if not, hmm...I may not await, for the sake of others, and will meet you in another time another thread!!!!
)So go ahead and justify yourself with another wall of text, 'language above all' that means only more bullshit! !