IAEA urges Israel to allow nuclear inspection
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Other than the fallout and fear factor, conventional weapons can cause as much or more destruction as a nuclear weapon.
I would think considering how densely packed we are, a few barrages from an artillery battalion would rack up quite a decent bodycount.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
huh! Uncle Chia is angel3070!!! omg, u old guys are going back to childish behavior...
It is safer for an ignorant "hum" to remain in the "nutshell" - can you look after yourself flopping across the road without your "nutshell" over your "hum" ? -
Originally posted by Atobe:
It is safer for an ignorant "hum" to remain in the "nutshell" - can you look after yourself flopping across the road without your "nutshell" over your "hum" ?
aiya, Uncle, morning morning, talk about hum and bees...no wonder you very no luck..Good Morning Uncle!!! wha lau!!! again roti n kaya for breakfast...maid cheat money again...give $10 buy roti and kaya..shit!! -
Originally posted by googoomuck:
It does not matter what you support. The reestablishment of a homeland for the jewish people is a success.
Even the land seems to favour Jews. Israel flourished.
The jewish are able to survive there because the Arabs are not united, surprisely, given their brotherhood muslim status, Arabs states are very individualistic, and such non corporation is make worst by the western intervention. The West has an agenda of not making the Arab states United, if the Arabs get united, gone is the jewish state, and in my opinon, Jews are not good either, their brother are NewYork con- bankers who channelled your money invested into Israel military use. There is alots of dirty conspiracy going on...and the current sufferers are the Palestine peoples. If the Arabs are co-operatives, they should take care of their brothers and sisters there, but instead of doing it, these Arab kings, generals and Fahats are happily enjoying rich life with big asses farting all the way to America. -
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I do not know the answer to your first question, and i'm betting neither do you.
In your earlier post, you did make the following statement (in blue italics), which was a feature in my response (shown in green) - should I not know the answer ?
There is a difference between being able to see where their logic is coming from and believing and agreeing with it.
You seemed to think it must be the same.
As observers "without any interest in the Middle-east politics" - you and I can see the obvious difference.
Can those with direct interest see the differences ?
I am sure that those with calm and sound minds, and able to think for the long term will be able to see where the logic is coming from, and depending on which sides of the fence one is standing in the battle lines - the concerned parties may believe and agree with what they see; while others may believe in the causes but not necessarily agree with the methods or course taken.
I think you're thinking only of Muslim fundamentalists/terrorists when you ask this question. Certainly there's cause to consider that, but i'm willing to consider that the current Israeli government, or at least people who have influence on the government too have a vested interest in keeping things this way.
In politics, there are always vested interests involved, and it depends on the basis of those vested interests - which in the Israeli case, coming from the difficult history that they have as a people across the ages, I would hope and expect that their interest is a morally acceptable one.
I certainly have no objection to the second part of your statements.
Some of them no doubt have a desire to establish this caliphate. But how does telling these countries that they cannot have nuclear weapons because they may use it on Israel when Israel could use it on them with no fear of retaliation supposed to make them feel?
India has develop nuclear capabilities, and so too has Pakistan.
Are the levels of concern as high with these two countries compared to what has been shown towards the Iranians - and considering that Pakistan is an Islamic State ?
It is the Iranian track record of irresponsible statements made and which have been bolstered by actual acts of irresponsiblity of the State of Iran that aroused valid alarm amongst the global community.
If Indonesia starts developing nuclear weapons but Malaysia and Singapore are told by the US, China and the UN that we cannot have it wouldn't you feel that it's injustice as well?
We're not even at odds with Indonesia, but we would still protest at this idea. What about the countries who saw what happened to Iraq and feared everyday that it would happen to them as well?
If Indonesia is a real threat to Malaysia and Singapore, do you think that both will not covertly begin some illicit program too ?
Despite all the pressures applied onto India and Pakistan, both had developed their nuclear option.
In any case, it has always been China's policy not to interfere in national affairs.
Would Israel have less incentive to bully the Palestinians if the US no longer support it with no questions asked.Would it then have more cause to try to reconcile differences with its neighbours when it doesn't feel so invulnerable?
I'm not asking for Israel to go totally passive and just tolerate bullying from its neighbours either. But what's happening now is the other extreme, that Israel need not fear any retaliation for its actions no matter how questionable.
You want the Middle East to acknowledge Israel, but that won't happen if Israel doesn't feel that it needs their acknowledgement.
With or without US support, the track record has been the Israelis will protect themselves against all agressions from any direction.
If the US was to cut off economic or financial support to the Israelis, one may see a less intransigent Israel in the negotiations and conduct with the Palestinians.
The present situation has the Iranians bent on its declared destruction of Israel, and delivering financial and logistic support for the rocket attacks from Hamas in Gaza, and by the Hezbollah from southern Lebanon.
Israel has never backed down from direct challenges to its existence, and will employ even tougher methods that can be seen as bullying from those outside the theatre.
Despite serving a propaganda coup to the Iranian agenda, the Israeli has little concern for this loss as long as they are able to achieve security for their people.
Do you seriously believe that Israel do not need the Middle-East acknowledge to their existence and will prefer to live in a war-like seige environment, with the bulk of their national budget spent on defense ?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
aiya, Uncle, morning morning, talk about hum and bees...no wonder you very no luck..Good Morning Uncle!!! wha lau!!! again roti n kaya for breakfast...maid cheat money again...give $10 buy roti and kaya..shit!!
Only an ignorant "hum" will spend $10 on shit.Can the useless "hum" from Taiwan hope to be a Singaporean by simply eating roti and kaya for breakfast ?
You should swallow your "hum" with a glass of Guiness to make yourself more useful.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
This is a topic about Israel and i prefer not to get drawn in to a discussion about the PAP and LKY with you because i know from the history of this forum how it would end up.
But i do find it rather disgusting that you would compare us with the current state of the Palestinians. The majority of the population have never experienced constant blackouts and water cuts. Medicine, clean water and stable supply of food are still available to us.
You view our state as somehow comparable is because you cannot imagine the insecure feeling of not knowing when another country is just going to drive in with tanks and attack helicopters and bomb us with impundity.
Do i think our current state of affairs are satisfactory? No.
But i would never imagine comparing what we have to what the Palestinians are going through.
I have no interest in responding to the rest of your post because it reflects my point, we can't go about waving our sticks because we can't support such an endeavour. But that doesn't neccessary weaken our position either.
Obviously you are not aware of the paranoia in the Singapore Leadership.Are you certain with your belief that we "cannot imagine the insecure feeling of not knowing when another country is just going to drive in with tanks and attack helicopters and bomb us with impundity" ?
Have you forgotten the high expense on Defense that amount to 6 percent of our GDP to build and keep a strong SAF on a sharp edge ?
It is the same fears that have driven the PAP Government to this state of mind that is similar to the Israelis, and with the PAP Government afraid of external attacks, as much as it is afraid of internal threats to its political relevance.
I am surprised that you will believe that the "status of a Paper Tiger" does not weaken our position in negotiation with our neighbors.
The present impasse with the various bilateral negotiations - between ourselves with the Indonesian and Malaysian Governments respectively - have been due largely to the fact that the other sides will push Singapore as close to the wall as they dare to, and there will be no retaliation.
Malaysian Patrol Boats have scraped hulls with Singapore Coast Guards in their high stakes game of "who blinks first", while Indonesian Parliamentarians simply tear up and renegade on agreements that their Government have negotiated - knowing that the result will be only diplomatic protest notes.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Obviously you are not aware of the paranoia in the Singapore Leadership.Are you certain with your belief that we "cannot imagine the insecure feeling of not knowing when another country is just going to drive in with tanks and attack helicopters and bomb us with impundity" ?
Have you forgotten the high expense on Defense that amount to 6 percent of our GDP to build and keep a strong SAF on a sharp edge ?
It is the same fears that have driven the PAP Government to this state of mind that is similar to the Israelis, and with the PAP Government afraid of external attacks, as much as it is afraid of internal threats to its political relevance.
I am surprised that you will believe that the "status of a Paper Tiger" does not weaken our position in negotiation with our neighbors.
The present impasse with the various bilateral negotiations - between ourselves with the Indonesian and Malaysian Governments respectively - have been due largely to the fact that the other sides will push Singapore as close to the wall as they dare to, and there will be no retaliation.
Malaysian Patrol Boats have scraped hulls with Singapore Coast Guards in their high stakes game of "who blinks first", while Indonesian Parliamentarians simply tear up and renegade on agreements that their Government have negotiated - knowing that the result will be only diplomatic protest notes.
Woei, old uncle, u forget what is Indonesia Konfrontasi already ar??? me not born also read about it, no doubt that we have been spending 1/3 of GDP on military, but it give us peaceful situation, do not think that Indonesia and Malaysia won't attack you, you have taken your independency for granted, any crazy guys/generals goes on top in these country and you can kiss Singapore goodbye. Even as a gal, i appreciated what our military had done, our modern aircraft , tech warfare and men of Singapore dun come cheap, you got to spend, it is the only way to deter any offensive. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
Woei, old uncle, u forget what is Indonesia Konfrontasi already ar??? me not born also read about it, no doubt that we have been spending 1/3 of GDP on military, but it give us peaceful situation, do not think that Indonesia and Malaysia won't attack you, you have taken your independency for granted, any crazy guys/generals goes on top in these country and you can kiss Singapore goodbye. Even as a gal, i appreciated what our military had done, our modern aircraft , tech warfare and men of Singapore dun come cheap, you got to spend, it is the only way to deter any offensive.
With your ability as an ignorant "hum" - do we need generals to protect us when we need to spend "1/3 of GDP on military" ?With the generals spending 1/3 of the GDP on the Taiwanese "hum" - no wonder konfrontasi had stopped and peace prevailed.
Certainly you will appreciate what Singapore military had done with your "hum" after spending 1/3 of GDP allocated to the military.
One thing the Singapore Military could not prevent is the insufferable offensive idiocy from an ignorant "hum" from Taiwan.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
With your ability as an ignorant "hum" - do we need generals to protect us when we need to spend "1/3 of GDP on military" ?With the generals spending 1/3 of the GDP on the Taiwanese "hum" - no wonder konfrontasi had stopped and peace prevailed.
Certainly you will appreciate what Singapore military had done with your "hum" after spending 1/3 of GDP allocated to the military.
One thing the Singapore Military could not prevent is the insufferable offensive idiocy from an ignorant "hum" from Taiwan.
Look Uncle, all these expenditure cannot be save, as a country so fragile and vulunerable, we are proud that our airforce is much better than others, our strategy is total defence, we cannot even do an offensive. Just last week, i visited the SAF open house at Tuas, the colonel already brief me that even with our sophiscated equipment, good men and spending, we can only last 2 weeks of defensive. That is the time to allow the USA 7 fleets to arrive and Australia army to help us. I was wondering, OMG!! all these only can last for 2 weeks, then the handsome Brig General told me, can last for 2 weeks, very good already, then i questioned them how about civilians, the Gen told me, all civilian will be at underground MRT tunnels, he shown pictures of MRT tunnels at City hall, i was surprise to see that the walls can be remove and inside got medical tables, cans food, water and beds...omg! didn't know they are so well prepared.Then they preach to me about the important of NSmen and employers should help and appreciate their employees who is serving NSmen...damn, last time, my Singaporean employees went for NS, i hv to do their work ok...so who pity me?? Nevertheless, i left the camp so happy, happy not becos i get to know more of SAF, but to hv met the handsome general, who also give me 2 unique general caps..(not french caps hor) and a nos to call.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
The jewish are able to survive there because the Arabs are not united, surprisely, given their brotherhood muslim status, Arabs states are very individualistic, and such non corporation is make worst by the western intervention. The West has an agenda of not making the Arab states United, if the Arabs get united, gone is the jewish state, and in my opinon, Jews are not good either, their brother are NewYork con- bankers who channelled your money invested into Israel military use. There is alots of dirty conspiracy going on...and the current sufferers are the Palestine peoples. If the Arabs are co-operatives, they should take care of their brothers and sisters there, but instead of doing it, these Arab kings, generals and Fahats are happily enjoying rich life with big asses farting all the way to America.Excuses!Excuses! Excuses!
First blamed the Arab ally, the Soviets for giving them false information ... then blamed the west for it's intevention.
It's about motivation! The land doesn't belong to the Arabs, so there's no motivation to fight hard for it.
The Arabs thought that their superiority in numbers and military hardware could give them victory without a fight.
Now blame the Arabs themselves for fraternising with the Americans.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Look Uncle, all these expenditure cannot be save, as a country so fragile and vulunerable, we are proud that our airforce is much better than others, our strategy is total defence, we cannot even do an offensive. Just last week, i visited the SAF open house at Tuas, the colonel already brief me that even with our sophiscated equipment, good men and spending, we can only last 2 weeks of defensive. That is the time to allow the USA 7 fleets to arrive and Australia army to help us. I was wondering, OMG!! all these only can last for 2 weeks, then the handsome Brig General told me, can last for 2 weeks, very good already, then i questioned them how about civilians, the Gen told me, all civilian will be at underground MRT tunnels, he shown pictures of MRT tunnels at City hall, i was surprise to see that the walls can be remove and inside got medical tables, cans food, water and beds...omg! didn't know they are so well prepared.Did Taiwan throw out your useless "hum" with its brain from its border ?
With your colonel going out of the camp during office hours to attend to his grandmother, can we trust your colonel to be at his post when there is a sudden emergency ?
Only a "hum" will last two weeks without help.
Can we believe that a useless colonel will talk to a "hum", or is the "hum" hearing a new voice from a colonel, after hearing conversations with a married couple consulting the "hum" about their problems, and a vicious American Prisoner talking to the "hum" of the crimes committed ?
The "hum" must be living in a bigger "nutshell" then I thought to hear all the echo of voices; which I am surprised that the "nutshell" still cannot accomodate the "hum" brain that must be left outside of the shell.
The "hum" must be bigger too that the "nutshell" also cannot take in the "hum" brain.
Then they preach to me about the important of NSmen and employers should help and appreciate their employees who is serving NSmen...damn, last time, my Singaporean employees went for NS, i hv to do their work ok...so who pity me?? Nevertheless, i left the camp so happy, happy not becos i get to know more of SAF, but to hv met the handsome general, who also give me 2 unique general caps..(not french caps hor) and a nos to call.
Your Taiwanese "hum" brain must think all Singaporeans are gullible like you to believe the crap that have been fed to you.
Can you afford to employ any Singaporean that have to serve NS ?
Do you think that Singapore Generals come by the dozens like "hum" from Taiwan ?
The Taiwanese "hum" must be feeling desperately worthless that it has to find ways to elevate its self-worth to imagine that SAF Generals will give away personal phone numbers
Keep the dreams of your "hum" alive, you may need it to live beyond a year.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Excuses!Excuses! Excuses!
First blamed the Arab ally, the Soviets for giving them false information ... then blamed the west for it's intevention.
It's about motivation! The land doesn't belong to the Arabs, so there's no motivation to fight hard for it.
The Arabs thought that their superiority in numbers and military hardware could give them victory without a fight.
Now blame the Arabs themselves for fraternising with the Americans.
Well, some said the Americans are best bastard in this world, they can be both policemen and thieves. Remember the watergate issue, and that Lt Col north on Iran...aren't Americans playing triple heads monster here,..too bad the Arabs are mostly lazy bums, dun bother to dig and refine their petrol and also do the marketing, so the American and the west do it for them, in the end, the Arabs have to depend on them, they just go on eat fat muttons and shake legs with juicy bimbos.
Yes, if you follow the book of western laws (bible), the land belong to the jews, but if you follow the real geopolitical situation, the Arabs had occupied the place for so long. God may have blessed Arabs with oil, but he certainly never instill brain and hardworking attitude in them....anyway, oil is stable
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Did Taiwan throw out your useless "hum" with its brain from its border ?
With your colonel going out of the camp during office hours to attend to his grandmother, can we trust your colonel to be at his post when there is a sudden emergency ?
Only a "hum" will last two weeks without help.
Can we believe that a useless colonel will talk to a "hum", or is the "hum" hearing a new voice from a colonel, after hearing conversations with a married couple consulting the "hum" about their problems, and a vicious American Prisoner talking to the "hum" of the crimes committed ?
The "hum" must be living in a bigger "nutshell" then I thought to hear all the echo of voices; which I am surprised that the "nutshell" still cannot accomodate the "hum" brain that must be left outside of the shell.
The "hum" must be bigger too that the "nutshell" also cannot take in the "hum" brain.
Your Taiwanese "hum" brain must think all Singaporeans are gullible like you to believe the crap that have been fed to you.
Can you afford to employ any Singaporean that have to serve NS ?
Do you think that Singapore Generals come by the dozens like "hum" from Taiwan ?
The Taiwanese "hum" must be feeling desperately worthless that it has to find ways to elevate its self-worth to imagine that SAF Generals will give away personal phone numbers
Keep the dreams of your "hum" alive, you may need it to live beyond a year.
well, i just ask in a dialogue about how do we, as employers defer an NSmen, he said you can alway call this nos and look for me if you have any problem of deferment for my employees. My bartenders, bouncers, DJ and one assist manager are singaporean ok
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Originally posted by angel7030:
well, i just ask in a dialogue about how do we, as employers defer an NSmen, he said you can alway call this nos and look for me if you have any problem of deferment for my employees. My bartenders, bouncers, DJ and one assist manager are singaporean ok
The boastful lies of a "hum" has never failed to impress.It takes only a few thrusts, and the "hum" will expose the real facts of the events that have been desperately slanted to elevate its useless image.
Call his number to look for you - the resident "hum" ?
The swollen size of your "hum" seems to know no limit.
Perhaps a bigger than F1 size insert will soon be needed to plug the "hum".