Chee fined $10000 for speaking in public in 2006 elections
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I for one does not really condone the acts of Dr Chee for he resorts to overdoing in order to voice his political protests.
But I do appreciate his courage for doing so.
And I really do want a change of government in Singapore as well. Dr Chee would not be a good choice though. Why not Mr Low?
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How chee over did it?
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Originally posted by angel3070:
How chee over did it?
Always speaking in public without a permit.
I guess he could have done it in a more discreet manner.
Not by the infamous slanders in 2001 also of course.
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Originally posted by dare82:
Always speaking in public without a permit.
Will police grant him permit?
Not by the infamous slanders in 2001 also of course.
That was a propaganda coup by PAP, mistake by chee.
PAP talk cock, state media won't feature.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Ignoring the blatant insults,
I remembered once when I attended the final interview for RSAF pilot trainning. The interviewer asked:-
From records, you have many relatives living up north, espacially in Malacca. Are you prepared to drop the bomb there if a need is required in an outright declaration of war?
My answer:- Bombing missions will mean specifically selected targets such as ammo dumps, military production centres. Should my relatives be there, they will be considered 'collateral damage' in an official war zone.
I will not hesitate for even one second to activate the release trigger to drop my bombs, for it would mean saving million of other lives and stopping the war.
Does my answer makes me less a human, an outlaw, a murderer, in self denial of realities that millions of lives are at stake?
From the US point of view, the pilots who dropped the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not criminals, neither did the survivors who lived through the horrors of the atomic catastrophies who were too shocked to even feel any animosity towards the US.
From the Vietnamese point of view, the US pilots that bombed the bridges of Hanoi and the port of Haiphong, and were captured when their planes were downed - they were not merely prisoners of war, but criminals and outlaws.
Singapore Government hung the two captured Indonesian saboteurs who bombed MacDonald House, despite the fact that they were simple soldiers sent on a mission to demoralize Singaporeans and shorten the Konfrontasi - and the two were hung two years after Konfrontasi was declared officially over and despite the call from Suharto for the Singapore Government to show clemency.
Criminals or outlaws or not - depend on which side of the fence you are on.
The fact remains that acts against lawlessness cannot be illegal, when the laws itself are illegal and immoral.
Should it not be time for you to be awaken to the fact that your Rights enshrined in the Singapore Constitution have been raped, while the spirit and intent of the Singapore Constitution has been bastardised by the many PAP addendums passed in the self-interest of the PAP - to perpetuate their own domination in Singapore politics ?
Atobe, human perfection does not exist. There are difficult choices one has to make, at times even daily, for the sake of others. We put the ends and weigh the means to look at the results. The one who made the decision will have to suffer the consequences, not any of us.
Are you certain that the decisions made by LKY has no consequences suffered by any of us ?
You may wish to check with your grand-parents, and have their opinions corroborated with other grand-parents.
I am not saying we should be onlookers and let others do the dirty work. Rather, we must act on more critical areas to elevate lives, and not be used as tools for other's political ambitions.
Are you not already considered a digit in LKY's scheme of things, and to achieve his own political ambitions ?
Are you in control of your own future - when annual intakes to various tertiary faculties are modulated by the Ministry of Education to suit the projected needs of the Ministry of Trade and Industry and that of the Economic Development Board ?
Time for you to grow up and stop being politically naive.
Seating on the throne may help solve society's woes, but it is also a double edge sword in that the one who seats there may turn out far worse than we can imagine, more so when the signs are already clear to see now at the extend he would go for his own self glory.
But that's only my, as you allude and claim, my low intelligence perceptions. The question remains -
You are obviously an intelligent person, and by that meaning you can read and write, why make an irrational exception to support an obvious outlaw like Dr.Chee, who only fight for his political survival and not for our society's survival, such as increasing our wealth, job creation and improving on social needs and necessities?
One should contribute to society in any way to give of oneself to the best of our ability.
Is Dr Chee an outlaw who has done any damage to Singapore ?
Or is the outlaw not already in office in the willful ways that have been described that have repeated hurt Singapore for the last 52 years - or are you selectively blind ?
Is support for Dr Chee irrational, or are you playing politics safely by standing with the crowd that prefer to play it dishonest safe and wait for the crumbs to fall off the from the main table ?
Are you deliberately ignorant, or are you to amateurish to clearly expose your real purpose with your slanted propaganda to undermine the efforts of Dr Chee's clear agenda that has been well publicised ?
It is obvious that you are in a willfull denial mode to the economic, educational, social and political reforms that Dr Chee had clearly written in all his books since 1992.
It is not surprising that you will prefer to indulge in propagating your ignorance by taking the center stage by pretending to be a bystander - when you are nothing more then a PAP wolf pretending to be a disinterested citizen.
At least the resident Drama Queen in this Speaker's Corner is more honest with his fence squatting posture.
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Originally posted by Dejomel:
Well. After reading the walls of text that I usually like posting, I think you both are intelligent people.Basically, each of you have your own points of view (both of which are actually valid imho), and I am honestly a little too young and know too little about politics right now to comment on both of your arguments.
But may I please interject a thought.
Many of my seniors have great respect for Mr J B Jeyaretnam, but not all of them think the same of Mr Chee. Do both of you understand why?
Many have shown great respects when it is too late to mean anything when one had already passed on from the present.
The time was there to make a difference, but many became mere onlookers.
When events overwhelmed them, and Singaporeans succumbed to the ruthless methods employed by LKY towards those who openly supported J.B. Jeyaretnam - many Singaporeans preferred to sell their souls to the devil for the few material benefits given in return to upgrade neighborhoods - in exchange for the political rights forgone.
The residents of Potong Pasir and Hougang should be commended for telling the PAP to go fly a kite - in the face of threats to put their Constituencies at the rear end of the Neighborhood Upgrading Program.
It is not odd that in 2002, DPM LHL said that - Jeyaretnam is a true blue Singaporean - in rare tribute (*1) - that was in contrast to what was said over the last two decades.
Has JBJ changed in any remarkable ways when just only 5 years earlier, LKY was strident and as libellous in his derogatory speech about JBJ ?
"Put it this way. As long as Jeyaretnam [Workers' Party leader] stands for what he stands for -- athoroughly destructive force -- we will knock him. There are two ways of playing this.
One, a you attack the policies; two, you attack the system. Jeyaretnam was attacking the system, he brought the Chief Justice into it.
If I want to fix you, do I need the Chief Justice to fix you?
Everybody knows that in my bag I have a hatchet, and a very sharp one.
You take me on, I take my hatchet, we meet in the cul-de-sac.
That's the way I had to survive in the past.
That's the way the communists tackled me.
He brought the Chief Justice into the political arena."
- SM Lee Kuan Yew, The Man & His Ideas, 1997
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Originally posted by Atobe:
From the US point of view, the pilots who dropped the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not criminals, neither did the survivors who lived through the horrors of the atomic catastrophies who were too shocked to even feel any animosity towards the US.
From the Vietnamese point of view, the US pilots that bombed the bridges of Hanoi and the port of Haiphong, and were captured when their planes were downed - they were not merely prisoners of war, but criminals and outlaws.
Singapore Government hung the two captured Indonesian saboteurs who bombed MacDonald House, despite the fact that they were simple soldiers sent on a mission to demoralize Singaporeans and shorten the Konfrontasi - and the two were hung two years after Konfrontasi was declared officially over and despite the call from Suharto for the Singapore Government to show clemency.
Criminals or outlaws or not - depend on which side of the fence you are on.
The fact remains that acts against lawlessness cannot be illegal, when the laws itself are illegal and immoral.
Should it not be time for you to be awaken to the fact that your Rights enshrined in the Singapore Constitution have been raped, while the spirit and intent of the Singapore Constitution has been bastardised by the many PAP addendums passed in the self-interest of the PAP - to perpetuate their own domination in Singapore politics ?
Are you certain that the decisions made by LKY has no consequences suffered by any of us ?
You may wish to check with your grand-parents, and have their opinions corroborated with other grand-parents.
Are you not already considered a digit in LKY's scheme of things, and to achieve his own political ambitions ?
Are you in control of your own future - when annual intakes to various tertiary faculties are modulated by the Ministry of Education to suit the projected needs of the Ministry of Trade and Industry and that of the Economic Development Board ?
Time for you to grow up and stop being politically naive.
One should contribute to society in any way to give of oneself to the best of our ability.
Is Dr Chee an outlaw who has done any damage to Singapore ?
Or is the outlaw not already in office in the willful ways that have been described that have repeated hurt Singapore for the last 52 years - or are you selectively blind ?
Is support for Dr Chee irrational, or are you playing politics safely by standing with the crowd that prefer to play it dishonest safe and wait for the crumbs to fall off the from the main table ?
Are you deliberately ignorant, or are you to amateurish to clearly expose your real purpose with your slanted propaganda to undermine the efforts of Dr Chee's clear agenda that has been well publicised ?
It is obvious that you are in a willfull denial mode to the economic, educational, social and political reforms that Dr Chee had clearly written in all his books since 1992.
It is not surprising that you will prefer to indulge in propagating your ignorance by taking the center stage by pretending to be a bystander - when you are nothing more then a PAP wolf pretending to be a disinterested citizen.
At least the resident Drama Queen in this Speaker's Corner is more honest with his fence squatting posture.
Another wall of text, rant and further insults?
And for what?
And what are your points?
Addeums by our freely elected representatives in a free election, of our own choice, are illegal?
Dr Chee, by his blatant and consistant assualt on our constitution to be treated ABOVE THE LAW, thumbing his middle fingers figuritively at our judiciary and elected representatives, by his actions, is doing our society good and elevating it, on economic and social terms?
Who's doing the 'raping' of our constitution now?
Dr. Chee's simple book, untested and untried, is the bible to economic prosperity for Singapore?
What I do or how I think is not important.Regardless if I am a fence sitter or not, is not vital to anyone here, for I am only a post of text.
Rather, it is your unwavering support for an outlaw that is more critical to the further developement of our nation.
We do not need or want circus acts to elevate our lives. We need real people of substance, who dares to face challenges intelligently, and not clowns attempting to unseat the throne for his own personal glory.
Ignoramus, self denial, naivety or whatever crap are only words from your foul mouth, Others, I trust, will be more discerning in reading up posts, to know the difference.
All these many posts could have been avoided, if only Dr.Chee applied for a permit, and engage public security men provided free by our society, to ensure safety, That alone shows clearly his irresponsibility.
None is perfect, allowances can be made, but he is a class act on his own with his consistant repeated attempts for self glory, absolutely nothing to do with our own liberty, freedom and adherence to the rule of law as is our responsibility in our multi-ethnic society.
This is the outlaw you attempt to glorify and seek followers?
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PS: Atobe, if you really hate the ruling party so much and so deeply, for the choices they had to make for the safety and survival of our society, an intelligent personl like you that you will support an outlaw or other outlaws, above the law types such as him, then it is fully within your rights which I shall not encroach upon or deny you of it.
At the end of the day, I am only 1 vote against an ocean of votes. If he or his kind ever gets elected, I will respect the choice made by my fellow citizens. But I intend to make my sacred vote count, and hope my fellow citizens, such as you, make the right choice, for the sake of our survival in this global economy and our next generation.
Even if you and I can go hungry without food and live on philosophies of freedom, our next generation needs to be fed.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Another wall of text, rant and further insults?
And for what?
And what are your points?
Addeums by our freely elected representatives in a free election, of our own choice, are illegal?
Freely elected representative of our own choice ?
In the 2006 Elections, the Registered List of Electorates had numbered '2,147,840 citizens, with only 1,123,000 valid votes accepted from a Total Participating Electorate of 1,222,884’ (*1)
This number of valid votes received is pathetic considering that Singapore has a ‘Total Population of 4,401,400 Singaporeans – from 0 to 65 years and over (July 2006 est)’ (*2)
To make it simple for you to grasp the significance of the Election 2006, by any international election standards the following conclusions from the results prove that Singapore's Election is a sham -
- when only 27 percent of the Total Population had actually participated in the Election.
- when the PAP's win of 748,130 votes had amounted to only 34.83 per cent of the Total Registered List of Electorates at 2,147,840 Singaporeans - even as the PAP dishonestly celebrate the hoopla in their false claims of overwhelming victory with a skewed election that left almost half of Singaporeans sitting at home.
The Elections in Singapore are similar to the skewed ‘Merger Referendum of 1962’ (*3) - which had been conducted with the three false choices - that were misleading and had the final result of the only determined choice of ONE to push for merger of Singapore with Malaysia as intended by LKY.
Dr Chee, by his blatant and consistant assualt on our constitution to be treated ABOVE THE LAW, thumbing his middle fingers figuritively at our judiciary and elected representatives, by his actions, is doing our society good and elevating it, on economic and social terms?
Who's doing the 'raping' of our constitution now?
When the Constitution had already been bastardised and made into a useless piece of paper - that is validated by a falsely elected majority in Parliament going out of its authority to pass legislations that will subjugate the Executive, the Legislative and Judiciary bodies of civil society to be under the PAP's rule - is there any more Rule of Law ?
Even when the legislation had clearly stated that no politician should be within 200 meters of any polling station. In the 1996 Election, the Opposition Parties had protested that the PAP Goh Chok Tong and Tony Tan were found loitering inside the polling stations.
Is the common sense of Singaporeans not being raped ?
Should we be surprised that the PAP will act with such arrogance - when their supreme leader holds such low opinions of subjugated Singaporeans ?
- "If you don't include your women graduates in your breeding pool and leave them on the shelf, you would end up a more stupid society...So what happens? There will be less bright people to support dumb people in the next generation. That's a problem." - Lee Kuan Yew in 1983 National Day Rally
Almost twenty years now, it is obvious that Lee Kuan Yew see the completion of his prediction of a more stupid society and dumb people existing in his society.
Should we not be surprised with opinions like yours being a fulfillment of LKY's expectations made twenty years ago ?
Dr. Chee's simple book, untested and untried, is the bible to economic prosperity for Singapore?
If you compare what Dr Chee had written in his books since 1992, and compared his ideas with the PAP changes made to the education policies and some economic directions taken in Year 2002 and 2003 - you will perhaps be more discerning with your views.
More then eight years had passed, and at least two generation of Singaporeans had to endure the consequences of failed policies that stubbornly lasted through two recession in 1987 and 1992.
Without much fanfare, the changes were made - and CSJ's vindication was ignored and obviously not acknowledged - least of all by the PAP leadership and their lackeys
What I do or how I think is not important.Regardless if I am a fence sitter or not, is not vital to anyone here, for I am only a post of text.
Rather, it is your unwavering support for an outlaw that is more critical to the further developement of our nation.
Should your ignorance and hypocrisy be recognised in your ability to slant new ways to view the reality ?
Obviously, you cannot be vital to the future of Singapore, when your opinion is clearly supporting the legalised outlaw activities of those currently in office, whose actions are designed to rape common sense, and legitimately steal from the Citizens.
If Dr Chee is made to be an outlaw, it is designed by the outlaws who hold the keys to the legislature by deceit and guile.
Was Chia Thye Poh a Communist like those ‘‘Catholic Activists who were accused by LKY to be Marxist Conspirators in the Siglap Catholic Church’’ (*5) ?
Those Catholics succumbed to the abusive bullying and threats from ISD controlled by LKY, and were released only after they signed false statements admitting to the accusation that were made without any evidence.
Why was Chia Thye Poh released without giving any undertaking - whether verbal or written in the same manner as the Catholic Activists ?
Was it not a fact that Chia was accused to be a Communist, and locked up for 32 years on the statement of one Man ?
Is your opinion that Dr Chee is an Outlaw valid in any way ?
The skewed politics practised by LKY and his PAP is designed only for the purpose of perpetuating themselves in monopolising politics, and supporting opinions like yours - dishonestly disguised as mere onlookers - is simply disingenious.
We do not need or want circus acts to elevate our lives. We need real people of substance, who dares to face challenges intelligently, and not clowns attempting to unseat the throne for his own personal glory.
The circus is already here, and you are already part of the act with LKY as the Circus Ring Master.
If he tell you to jump through the hoop, will you not jump for the success of his circus ?
It is only your limited intelligence and inability to be discerning that prevent you from distinguishing between the various shades of White - when your eyesight has been blinded over 52 years bathed in a constant white glow that distort your vision with an unclear appreciation of visual depths.
Do you think that LKY will work for the glory of Singaporeans - whom he claimed to be dumb based on his eugenics beliefs ?
Ignoramus, self denial, naivety or whatever crap are only words from your foul mouth, Others, I trust, will be more discerning in reading up posts, to know the difference.
All these many posts could have been avoided, if only Dr.Chee applied for a permit, and engage public security men provided free by our society, to ensure safety, That alone shows clearly his irresponsibility.
Can you match your reading abilities with those who are more discerning in their interpretations of what they read, or do you depend on the interpretation of what others have read to know the difference ?
If you beleive that the Police under the control of Wong Kang Seng will be allowed to assist Dr Chee to get his permits speedily, why do you not assist Dr Chee in applying permits on his or SDP behalf ?
That will save all your heartburn to accuse Dr Chee to be an outlaw.
Or are you only talking from a naivete virginal point of view - like an eager recruit at BMT expert at "singing cock and talking song" ?
None is perfect, allowances can be made, but he is a class act on his own with his consistant repeated attempts for self glory, absolutely nothing to do with our own liberty, freedom and adherence to the rule of law as is our responsibility in our multi-ethnic society.
This is the outlaw you attempt to glorify and seek followers?
When you fail in your attempts to achieve your goals to correct some wrongs - are you not more determined to pursue the course, or are you the type who will give up in the face of the challenge in going it alone ?
If Singapore had you in the 1950s, will we have class acts of heroism with names like Lim Bo Seng, Elizabeth Choy, Tan Kar Kee and the other early pioneers ?
Even JBJ was derided with the worst name calling efforts by an insecure LKY - if we follow your naive ignorance in accepting the Bible truth of LKY's opinions - should we not slap you back to conciousness, when suddenly LHL praised JBJ for being a true Singaporean for his determined efforts ?
Outlaw today when it is convenient, and a Hero tomorrow when it suits your agenda ?
Labels cannot hide the truth of the political agenda.
Read the agenda of the SDP and see how much efforts have been made by their members to move in the direction of the stated agenda.
Did PM LHL renegade on his own words in his first speech after being sworn in as PM ?
Dr Chee would have less problems in getting the Police to give him the permits - if Wong Kang Seng has listened to PM LHL's speech.
Or perhaps, PM LHL was also "singing cock and talking song" ?
Both of you would have made a good combination at some Karaoke outfit - perhaps you guys were bunkmates at BMT ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Freely elected representative of our own choice ?
In the 2006 Elections, the Registered List of Electorates had numbered '2,147,840 citizens, with only 1,123,000 valid votes accepted from a Total Participating Electorate of 1,222,884’ (*1)
This number of valid votes received is pathetic considering that Singapore has a ‘Total Population of 4,401,400 Singaporeans – from 0 to 65 years and over (July 2006 est)’ (*2)
To make it simple for you to grasp the significance of the Election 2006, by any international election standards the following conclusions from the results prove that Singapore's Election is a sham -
- when only 27 percent of the Total Population had actually participated in the Election.
- when the PAP's win of 748,130 votes had amounted to only 34.83 per cent of the Total Registered List of Electorates at 2,147,840 Singaporeans - even as the PAP dishonestly celebrate the hoopla in their false claims of overwhelming victory with a skewed election that left almost half of Singaporeans sitting at home.
The Elections in Singapore are similar to the skewed ‘Merger Referendum of 1962’ (*3) - which had been conducted with the three false choices - that were misleading and had the final result of the only determined choice of ONE to push for merger of Singapore with Malaysia as intended by LKY.
When the Constitution had already been bastardised and made into a useless piece of paper - that is validated by a falsely elected majority in Parliament going out of its authority to pass legislations that will subjugate the Executive, the Legislative and Judiciary bodies of civil society to be under the PAP's rule - is there any more Rule of Law ?
Even when the legislation had clearly stated that no politician should be within 200 meters of any polling station. In the 1996 Election, the Opposition Parties had protested that the PAP Goh Chok Tong and Tony Tan were found loitering inside the polling stations.
Is the common sense of Singaporeans not being raped ?
Should we be surprised that the PAP will act with such arrogance - when their supreme leader holds such low opinions of subjugated Singaporeans ?
- "If you don't include your women graduates in your breeding pool and leave them on the shelf, you would end up a more stupid society...So what happens? There will be less bright people to support dumb people in the next generation. That's a problem." - Lee Kuan Yew in 1983 National Day Rally
Almost twenty years now, it is obvious that Lee Kuan Yew see the completion of his prediction of a more stupid society and dumb people existing in his society.
Should we not be surprised with opinions like yours being a fulfillment of LKY's expectations made twenty years ago ?
If you compare what Dr Chee had written in his books since 1992, and compared his ideas with the PAP changes made to the education policies and some economic directions taken in Year 2002 and 2003 - you will perhaps be more discerning with your views.
More then eight years had passed, and at least two generation of Singaporeans had to endure the consequences of failed policies that stubbornly lasted through two recession in 1987 and 1992.
Without much fanfare, the changes were made - and CSJ's vindication was ignored and obviously not acknowledged - least of all by the PAP leadership and their lackeys
Should your ignorance and hypocrisy be recognised in your ability to slant new ways to view the reality ?
Obviously, you cannot be vital to the future of Singapore, when your opinion is clearly supporting the legalised outlaw activities of those currently in office, whose actions are designed to rape common sense, and legitimately steal from the Citizens.
If Dr Chee is made to be an outlaw, it is designed by the outlaws who hold the keys to the legislature by deceit and guile.
Was Chia Thye Poh a Communist like those 22 Catholic Activists who were accused by LKY to be "Marxist Conspirators" ?
Those 22 Catholics succumbed to the bullying and blackmail from ISD controlled by LKY, and were released after they signed false statements admitting to the accusation that were made without any evidence.
Why was Chia Thye Poh released without giving any undertaking - whether verbal or written in the same manner as the Catholic Activists ?
Was Chia a Communist and locked up for 32 years on the statement of one Man ?
Is your opinion that Dr Chee is an Outlaw valid ?
The skewed politics practised by LKY and his PAP is designed only for the purpose of perpetuating themselves in monopolising politics, and supporting opinions like yours - dishonestly disguised as mere onlookers is simply disingenious.
The circus is already here, and you are already part of the act with LKY as the Circus Master. If he tell you to jump through the hoop, will you not jump ?
It is only your limited intelligence and inability to be discerning that prevent you from distinguishing between the various shades of White - when your eyesight has been blinded for 52 years bathed in a constant white glow that distort your vision of depths.
Do you think that LKY will work for the glory of dumb Singaporeans ?
Can you match your reading abilities with those who are more discerning in their interpretations of what they read, or do you depend on the interpretation of what others have read to know the difference ?
If you beleive that the Police under the control of Wong Kang Seng will be allowed to assist Dr Chee to get his permits speedily, why do you not assist Dr Chee in applying permits on his or SDP behalf ?
That will save the need for anyone to be an outlaw.
Or are you only talking from a naivete virginal point of view - like an eager recruit at BMT expert at "singing cock and talking song" ?
When you fail in your achieving your goals to correct some wrongs - are you not determined to pursue the course, or are you the type who will give up in the face of the challenge in going it alone ?
If Singapore had you in the 1950s, will we have class acts of heroism with names like Lim Bo Seng, Elizabeth Choy, Tan Kar Kee ?
Even JBJ was derided with the worst name calling efforts by an insecure LKY - if we follow your naive ignorance in accepting the Bible truth of LKY's opinions - should we not slap you back to conciousness, when suddenly LHL praised JBJ for being a true Singaporean for his determined efforts ?
Outlaw today when it is convenient, and a Hero tomorrow when it suits your agenda ?
Labels cannot hide the truth of the political agenda.
Read the agenda of the SDP and see how much efforts have been made by their members to move in the direction of the stated agenda.
Did PM LHL renegade on his own words in his first speech after being sworn in as PM ?
Sigh...
Another wall of text.
What are your points?
Blame the citizens for the failure of political parties to have the courage to stand for elections in walkover electorial sites?
Make excuses for Dr.Chee and his political party flaws, methods and high handedness?
Further insult and compare me, a nobody, to the class of heroism of the past prior to 40s, a time of cowardly dastard colonial brits and brutual japs, Singaporeans of whom none can match today, not even your beloved Dr.Chee?
Condemn and deride the gentlemenly behaviour of the ruling party over a dead and ineffective political opponent?
Further justify your hatred of the ruling party for the difficult decisions they have to make daily?
In the end, the question remains - why do you wish to continue to support outlaws, just because of your deeply rooted hatred for the ruling party, whom had to do what needs to be done for the safety and survival of our nation, ranting your hatred, hurts and denouncement of their remarkable efforts so far, at the harmonious and peaceful expense of our society?
Is there any way to heal that hatred in you,so that I, even though a nobody whom will try my best, to help you seek for a better and more constructive way to elevate the lives of our People today and for tomorrow?
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
PS: Atobe, if you really hate the ruling party so much and so deeply, for the choices they had to make for the safety and survival of our society, an intelligent personl like you that you will support an outlaw or other outlaws, above the law types such as him, then it is fully within your rights which I shall not encroach upon or deny you of it.
Between two sets of outlaws - are you capable of discerning which set you can choose, considering the deteriorating state of confidence that you have displayed in your own ability and validity ?
The choice is between two outlaws -
one group of outlaws has got into power by guile and deceit, and stayed for for 52 years, and had begun to milk the treasury, and displaying total indifference and arrogance to the point of being no longer duty bound to be accountable to the electorates, and will begin to scheme to change the voting arrangements by giving two ballot papers to the older generation, and toying with the idea of calling in the "Army" - (not the SAF who was not named) - to intercede in the event of a freak election results;
the other one was made an outlaw by the outlaws in office, still it has a declared agenda to firstly reform the present skewed institutions by returning to the original Constitution that was drafted with the interests of the electorate; with the basis put in place the Singapore political structures have to be reformed to give confidence for stable and secure growth to the economic, social and political environments; with education reforms that will provide creative minds and develop enterprising spirit that will challenge the status quo; to disenfranchise the government monopolies in stifling private businesses, and liberalise the economy from monopolistic government involvement; to allow an environment that MNCs positively contribute to the social and economic progress for Singapore and not expect Singapore to be a source of cheap labor to meet their profit goals..
Do you have enough maturity and experience to know what to choose for yourself and future generations ?
At the end of the day, I am only 1 vote against an ocean of votes. If he or his kind ever gets elected, I will respect the choice made by my fellow citizens. But I intend to make my sacred vote count, and hope my fellow citizens, such as you, make the right choice, for the sake of our survival in this global economy and our next generation.
If an election is held with the full participation of every Singaporean registered in the electoral roll, without any gerrymeandering by the PAP, and with the full independence of the Judiciary, Attorney-General's Department and the Police in enforcing the Law equitably without fear or recrimination - any election outcome will be acceptable on such a basis to any fair minded Singaporean.
Unfortunately, this has been a long forgone conclusion that LKY will never accede to be subjected to the vagaries of such democratic system
Even if you and I can go hungry without food and live on philosophies of freedom, our next generation needs to be fed.
If the same beliefs had come from the minds of our forefathers, unable to accept the challenges of facing the unknown with an untested leader in LKY, would we have been here today ?
We are at the edge of the beginning of the 21st Century, and the PAP's worn out ways are beginning to show - with LKY not even clear that his tenous position in 1959, was saved by the single vote of confidence from Dr Toh Chin Chye, that allowed LKY to become the Prime Minister, when the votes were tied equally with his rival Ong Eng Guan - new challenges are to be faced, can Singapore afford not to allow more voices to be heard as so eloquently said by LHL in his first speech after being sworn in as PM ?
Can the PAP have the monopoly of ideas only ?
Is this all about philosophy of freedom ?
Or is it not about the freedom to recover control from the PAP over the opportunity to be responsible for our own futures, and not to be subjugated to the guilles and cunning political manipulations that legitimised the PAP monopoly in all aspect of Singapore Life ?
It is quite obvious that you are unable to tolerate differences in ideas and new challenges to the status quo; and despite your guille in adopting a disinterest and being modestly insignificant, your approach is to prevent any alternative views that question the status quo.
It is Singaporeans like you who will be detrimental to the progress of our new generation.
Without any ideas of your own for the future - can the future generation have anything to eat when the PAP run itself flat ?
Are you so confident that the PAP will always have a monopoly of talent ?
How valid should we position your views - when you have dismissed yourself as being disinterested, and claim yourself to be insignificant in the entire political equation ?
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Read Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes. I bet somebody in the PAP did. =)
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Sigh...
Another wall of text.
What are your points?
Blame the citizens for the failure of political parties to have the courage to stand for elections in walkover electorial sites?
You have certainly proven your inability to read and depend on others for their interpretations.
Were the citizens being blamed, or was it not the guile of LKY in designing an enlarged Parliament for a small Little Red Dot - that has a Parliament of 82 seats to govern a city of over three million citizens, and another million plus of transient workers and visitors at any given point in time ?
Even New York City with a population larger than Singapore has only ONE mayor, while Singapore needs more then ONE.
With laws that are deliberately designed to impoverish the Alternative Pollitical Parties, and a country that is deliberately ruled by fear that prevent citizens from giving active financial or personal support to the Alternative Parties, and creating an enlarged contest of constituencies with increased election deposits - should we blame the citizens or the alternative parties for leaving out half the electorate from participating in any elections ?
Make excuses for Dr.Chee and his political party flaws, methods and high handedness?
With a weak and bankrupt mind that is made worst with a myopic political vision - can we count on your opinion with any value ?
Afterall, you did disqualify yourself for being insignificant.
Further insult and compare me, a nobody, to the class of heroism of the past prior to 40s, a time of cowardly dastard colonial brits and brutual japs, Singaporeans of whom none can match today, not even your beloved Dr.Chee?
Are you qualified to be anywhere near the heroic fragrance of those past ?
For the benefit of educating your narrow mind, the events were not prior to the 40's but were in the peak of the war in 1943 to 1945, and these heroes co-operated with the Brits - (whom you claimed to be dastard colonials) to fight with the Japs, when your ring master and his circus assistant were co-operating with the dastard Japs as an translator and as a Kempetai enforcer.
In his time, JBJ was insulted and driven to the ground by LKY - and it was conscience or for LHL's own karma that JBJ good name was redeemed before his passing.
CSJ has similarly been derided by LKY for the same determination as JBJ had shown, and with at least more focus then JBJ, which has caused LKY and the PAP to redouble their efforts to protect LHL time in office.
Do you qualify to be measured even with the shadows of all these determined persons in the face of their being persecuted through that volatile period ?
Condemn and deride the gentlemenly behaviour of the ruling party over a dead and ineffective political opponent?
Gentlemenly behavior of the ruling party ?
Whose shoes have you been licking into a polished mirror surface ?
If the political opponent is dead and ineffective - as you have claimed, will it not be a surprise that LKY had to redouble his efforts to deal with CSJ ?
Further justify your hatred of the ruling party for the difficult decisions they have to make daily?
Is it so difficult to make decisions to increase the price of electricity, ERP, GST, COE, while also increasing their salaries by 30 per cent in 2007, and reduced it by 10 per cent in 2008 ?
Is it so difficult to decide not to give a clear and transparent report as to how the US$100 Billion was lost by the GIC and Temasek ?
Obviously, you will be keen to ensure that such decisions are seen to be difficult, afterall the job had no other possible taker given the dishonest strategies employed by the PAP.
In the end, the question remains - why do you wish to continue to support outlaws, just because of your deeply rooted hatred for the ruling party, whom had to do what needs to be done for the safety and survival of our nation, ranting your hatred, hurts and denouncement of their remarkable efforts so far, at the harmonious and peaceful expense of our society?
Was all that to be done for the safety and survival of our nation ?
Or was it not a fact that all that done was for the safety and survival of LKY and the PAP - to prevent any Alternative Political Parties from succeeding at the Polls, in fear of the discovery of 52 years of accumulated skeletons hidden in the closet ?
Obviously you have been lulled to deep sleep and oblivious to the high costs that Singaporeans have endured for a failed Swiss Standard of Living experiment, which had resulted in Singaporeans being straddled with a Swiss Cost of Living.
Harmony exist only amongst the ministers collecting their annual million dollar wages, while the Singaporean suicide rate increases with the jobless numbers - that will continue through the end of 2009 and into 2010.
Is there any way to heal that hatred in you,so that I, even though a nobody whom will try my best, to help you seek for a better and more constructive way to elevate the lives of our People today and for tomorrow?
Is there hatred, or is there pity for hypocrites who will deny the truth, but will attempt to propagate the untruth to enjoy gains that are privy only to you and your benefactors ?
Should we indulge with your deceitful ways since you are a nobody ?
What can you do as a Nobody ?
If only you are the Wonder Girls from Korea - perhaps we can negotiate for the rights of a circus that will financially benefit every political party equally without any weighted advantage.
Then again, you are an unintelligent and insignificant Nobody.
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The cursed despot with a zombie wife, mongoloid granson and his anus cancer "fix the opposition" son are just bringing more curses on themselves and family.
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Another wall of text
This time doubled, resorting to insults despite my overtures to reach out to you, rebuff with venom.
For what?
What are your points?
To justify your support for an outlaw, which you now in black and white clearly state?
New ideas of what? Freedom to make use of others to become a ruler through anarchy?
Freedom, in the comfort and peace of your air con room today, to disparage against others whom live in difficult times, of a time where supposedly protectors fled, leaving untrained for warfare citizens to the mercy of the mighty conquerors, never knowing if they may be alive one day to the next?
Freedom to criticize the ruling party for rising costs, when the realities to provide for a nation in social spending such as ours is never easy?
Freedom to insult and abuse others, claiming fresh and untried outlaw bullshit is good for our society?
Freedom to praise a politically romantic dead but ineffectual politician wannabe, and lamblast others for saying kind words in obituary of his passing?
I can go on, but in the end, the more you try to justify your hatred and support for an outlaw, the more ridiculous you become, suspending logic and reason, more so when you need to insult, step over other's heads to be heard, following the example of your beloved outlaw.
My hand is still reached out, for you are my fellow citizen. Be an opposition party member as is your right and choice. Elevate your party by smearing the present with half truths and lies as is your choice.
But do be aware that many others will needlessly suffer, not because of 'new and untried' methods to deal with challenges, but rather, made to suffer for the ambitions of outlaw knaves attempting to be rulers, believing themselves above the law, just as you are suffering now by being dishonest to yourself and insulting your own intelligence with your pathetic justifications.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
The cursed despot with a zombie wife, mongoloid granson and his anus cancer "fix the opposition" son are just bringing more curses on themselves and family.
take yr medicines hor. -
Originally posted by xtreyier:
Another wall of text
This time doubled, resorting to insults despite my overtures to reach out to you, rebuff with venom.
For what?
Your ability to see the wall of text clearly confirms the myopia that you possess in attempting to deflect the many controveries that you prefer to indulge in.
Have you no response to my reply, which had simply dissected your entire post for detailed response ?
What are your points?
To justify your support for an outlaw, which you now in black and white clearly state?
New ideas of what? Freedom to make use of others to become a ruler through anarchy?
Yes, brilliant reply considering that you avoided to address the various points given that debunked your myopic positions, and now taking a new tangent.
Who is creating anarchy ?
Is this a new idea ?
The call for the return of the Political Rights to Singapore has been ongoing for more then 52 years - when even LKY had called for this same Rights to be returned by the Colonial Government and from the Malaysian Federal Government.
Obviously, you prefer to be selectively myopic.
Was Dr Chee calling for riot to depose of the PAP, or was he challenging the unlawful acts of a PAP dominated Parliament to change the Constitution that disenfranchised Singaporeans while the PAP hold themselves unaccountable and non-transparent for their actions ?
Freedom, in the comfort and peace of your air con room today, to disparage against others whom live in difficult times, of a time where supposedly protectors fled, leaving untrained for warfare citizens to the mercy of the mighty conquerors, never knowing if they may be alive one day to the next?
Was it disparaging untruths, or are the truths spoken so disparagingly honest ?
Why should there be others living in difficult times if the PAP had taken measures to prevent such difficult times to fall on Singapore ?
Are they not supposed to be the elites with the talents and the merits that justify being paid the highest wages amongst all the world government presidents and ministers ?
Obviously, we will never know if we may not be alive one day or the next, when our CPF savings are continuously prevented from bailing us out in times of joblessness, recessions, and even as we arrived at our retirement age.
With the CPF withdrawal age continuously being manipulated now to 85 years, and with holding sums continuously increased - and new programs that deduct what little is left in the balance - can Singaporeans be sure that they will get back what they have contributed all their working lives ?
Under such conditions can we be certain if we can live through one day or the next ?
If you wish to take on the role of being the mouthpiece and brain for the PAP - perhaps you have all the answers for such concerns ?
Freedom to criticize the ruling party for rising costs, when the realities to provide for a nation in social spending such as ours is never easy?
Have you considered that Sweden has the highest social cost in the World that is coupled with the highest tax regimes that created the well publicised high costs - and yet they have a satisfied and happy citizens that have even boosted their birth rates in this 21st Century ?
Considering that Singaporeans are paying as much as the Swedes in terms of direct and indirect taxes, and a major portion of our wages is paid to the government for all the essential services that the government provide and charge at market rates despite the capital costs being funded from National Reserves - do Singaporeans get as much government support as the Swedes ?
Does the falling Singapore Birth Rate not tell something, or perhaps your myopia prevent the grey cells from understanding the bigger picture ?
Freedom to insult and abuse others, claiming fresh and untried outlaw bullshit is good for our society?
Are you not insulting and abusing others with your claim of others being an outlaw ?
Was J.B. Jeyeratnam not similarly debased by the likes of you, who are encouraged to imitate the vile vitrol from LKY's colorful ability to insult his opponents whom he feel insecure when challenged vigorously ?
Was LKY not a fresh and untried "outlaw" when he first stepped into politics during the Colonial Days associating himself with the leftwing and watched with concern by the British Special Branch ?
Freedom to praise a politically romantic dead but ineffectual politician wannabe, and lamblast others for saying kind words in obituary of his passing?
What are you alluding to with this new bald lie to create some new controversies ?
Are you suggesting that Dr Chee had lambasted J.B.Jeyeratnam prior to his death and subsequently saying kind words on his passing ?
Did the PAP say anything kind to JBJ on his passing, other then the belated and minimalist ritualistic words of condolence to the family members of JBJ ?
If anything humane that came from the PAP to the Jeyeratnam family, it had come only from Goh Chok Tong's personal intervention in writing a letter to both JBJ's son - to be used in their job applicatin to any prospective employers that they should be considered on their own qualification and merit, when most employers had shunned them for the high public profile taken by their controvesial father.
This focus the degrading level of politics in Singapore as projected by LKY and the PAP in which they operate the pervasive fear element that filter down to the social and commercial world.
Is Singapore not already being managed by Outlaws who abuse their political powers that will strangle the possibility of anyone making a living for deciding to enter politics and challenge the position of the PAP ?
Obviously, as a myopic and dull witted supporter of the PAP, you can hardly discern nor will admit to such a Third World Political environment, despite all the glitter of a false image of a First World environment.
I can go on, but in the end, the more you try to justify your hatred and support for an outlaw, the more ridiculous you become, suspending logic and reason, more so when you need to insult, step over other's heads to be heard, following the example of your beloved outlaw.
Is it not surprising that your line of thought imitates the Outlaws in power, in similar ways when they are threatened by the truth and facts of the abuses employed by Third World politicians pretending to be in a First World Singapore ?
Does anyone need to justify any hatred, when the reasons for the pitiable conditions that Singapore has been brought down by the Outlaws in power, when the standards of politics could have matched the glass and glitter of the First World environment ?
Perhaps the reason for such Third World Politics is due to the fact that the glass and glitter of the First World environment is all a sham that hides the Third World living conditions that continue to exist in the heartlands of Singapore ?
My hand is still reached out, for you are my fellow citizen. Be an opposition party member as is your right and choice. Elevate your party by smearing the present with half truths and lies as is your choice.
Which part of what has been said are the half-truths and lies as you have alluded ?
Are you too afraid to confront the issues as I have confronted your positions by dissecting the controversies in each paragraph of your response ?
Smearing and spreading half-truths and lies about the Opposition is a unique art that is practised by the PAP - which it is doubtful that you will admit even as you are imitating it.
But do be aware that many others will needlessly suffer, not because of 'new and untried' methods to deal with challenges, but rather, made to suffer for the ambitions of outlaw knaves attempting to be rulers, believing themselves above the law, just as you are suffering now by being dishonest to yourself and insulting your own intelligence with your pathetic justifications.
The problem with "fear" to the unknown is "fear" itself.
Has the evolution of the homo sapien not involved a continuous cycles of tackling the untried, and dealing with the new challenges with new and untried ways ?
With your unchallenged and confirmed myopic attitude, we can surely depend on your suggestions that we stay in the status quo when old methods no longer are effective - that has been the PAP's position since 1987.
Should we listen to foolish and unthinking knaves like yourself preferring to outlaw others who have the decency to make personal and family sacrifices for their personal beliefs that the present abuses to the basic tenets of Singapore are wrong.
It is strong personal convictions in the truth and honesty of one's actions that have made strong characters out of challenging circumstances.
The first generation of political leaders know of these circumstance.
Unfortunately LHL had a cushy upbringing, and even his NSF days were molly-coddled as a "Super White Horse" through special programmes that benefitted him and his fortunate batch; and with the training that did not give him any foundation as an officer leading men in tactical circumstance, but taking a helicopter perspective of training manouvres at BMT to OCS that had prepared him at these early stages for his destined role as a General.
If the Opposition Members have been made to be an Outlaw - to face the challenges designed by the Outlaws in Power, Singapore would be assured that such a politician has the experience from the challenges designed by the Master Outlaw himself.
Unfortunately, what can you know of your own abilities, when it has been your declared act of avoiding untried methods when faced with unknown challenges and preferring not to suffer ?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
take yr medicines hor.Is the "hum" feeling horny again and asking Andrew to take the blue pill to overcome the dysfunction at the sight of your "hum" ?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
maybe only hor...u got alot of maybe hor..hehehe..dream onSometimes it is wise to use 'Maybe' so wont kena sue for saying every single wrong thing.....maybe I think.
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so in public better dun open mouth, unless u have $10k
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Originally posted by t_a_s:
so in public better dun open mouth, unless u have $10k
old man lee likes it that way.
he wants people to fear him so that he feels shiok.
So now most people withdraw from political affairs.
then old fucker no choice import foreign aliens.
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Originally posted by angel3070:
old man lee needs people like you to blindly support him.
He will be very pleased.
Hahahaha! May be he will be the potential future PM lhl will be grooming. hahahahhaMost of the time I don't bother to read his crap, it is a waste of time reading his posts.
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I SUPPORT WORKERS' PARTY!