S'pore's Lee Kuan Yew: Party will win next 2 votes
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
In what ways FT will support oppositions?More FT will mean more piss off Singaporean. As it encroched the existing space of daily singaporean, work, lifestyle sensitive towards religion and race differences. The FT policy is going to back fire in the next election.
Todays FT are not immigrant of the 30's, 40s, 50s uneducated/ concern about home open to new ideas.
It would be childish to assume that FT who come to SG or newly citizened FT will fully be submissive to PAP. They come to SG with their own establish political idealogy, and establish economics expectation. But SG geopolitics and race dynamic isn;t going to change. How many of them understand particularly those from PRC?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
More FT will mean more piss off Singaporean. As it encroched the existing space of daily singaporean, work, lifestyle sensitive towards religion and race differences. The FT policy is going to back fire in the next election.
Todays FT are not immigrant of the 30's, 40s, 50s uneducated/ concern about home open to new ideas.
It would be childish to assume that FT who come to SG or newly citizened FT will fully be submissive to PAP. They come to SG with their own establish political idealogy, and establish economics expectation. But SG geopolitics and race dynamic isn;t going to change. How many of them understand particularly those from PRC?
Ok, i get what you mean. FW included then, FW (foreign workers). Some of those lowly educated people are competing jobs with the foreign workers. There are bosses who rather have foreign workers work for them than locals. The ruling party while allowing these foreigners to work in Singapore is not protecting the interest of the locals. Foreign workers are better taken care of. Just a couple of days ago, the govt opens a centre called Migrant Workers Centre to help the foreign workers.
It is sad that in Singapore, we have a ruling party all the way for foreigners.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Ok, i get what you mean. FW included then, FW (foreign workers). Some of those lowly educated people are competing jobs with the foreign workers. There are bosses who rather have foreign workers work for them than locals. The ruling party while allowing these foreigners to work in Singapore is not protecting the interest of the locals. Foreign workers are better taken care of. Just a couple of days ago, the govt opens a centre called Migrant Workers Centre to help the foreign workers.
It is sad that in Singapore, we have a ruling party all the way for foreigners.
Even the newly FT citizen they are not going to be submissive to PAP. They came from a more volatile society where freedom of expression are open and challenging authority. Vs the orderly singaporean.
Again these are new voters, and their voices eventually will need to be hear. Because we give them citizenship. They have the right to vote and be heard.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Even the newly FT citizen they are not going to be submissive to PAP. They came from a more volatile society where freedom of expression are open and challenging authority. Vs the orderly singaporean.
Again these are new voters, and their voices eventually will need to be hear. Because we give them citizenship. They have the right to vote and be heard.
We will get to see it in the next election.
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PAP can win the next election but let vote more talented opposition players in because singapore can live without PAP we have NSmen
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That is only half the news you all read please read from asiaone.com the full news.
MM on Singapore's system 
DURING a dialogue at the fifth anniversary dinner of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy on Sept 2, the Minister Mentor was asked by writer Catherine Lim: "Sir, in the event of a serious threat of a freak election, would you do the unthinkable, that is, send in the army?"
This is an edited extract from Mr Lee's reply: "You look at our record and the moves we've made. Let me put it simply like this. First, we maintain a system which gives any opposition the opportunity to displace us peacefully.
"If you can win an election, so be it. If at some point we are not able to find a team which can equal an opposition team, on that day we deserve to be out. If we become corrupt, inefficient, can't deliver, we're out.<A HREF="http://ads.asia1.com.sg/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=18805&AdID=22536&TargetID=3299&Segments=1,81,238,564,999,1779,1780,1784,2000,2061,2130,2174,2355,2410,2428,2439,2731,2809,2829,2866,2873,2875,2881,2887,2912,2915,2936&Targets=2065,1720,2838,3299,3446&Values=25,30,50,60,85,91,100,110,130,150,186,196,266,942,966,990,1480,2253,2762,2807,2865,2908,2920,4074,4086,4118,4119,4120,4335,4342,5640,5663,5915,5975,5977,5980&RawValues=DOCUMENTURI%2C/js.ng/site=tasiaonenews&sec=asiaonea1news&pagepos=1&size=300X250&Redirect=http:%2f%2fnewslink.asiaone.com" target="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://adimage.asia1.com.sg/2003/dot.gif" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=250 BORDER=0></A> "What if we have a freak election, as we may well have? So we've set in place a president with blocking powers. Any opposition that comes in will find that he cannot touch the reserves, otherwise you can promise the sky and spend the money.
Second, you cannot change the top officials without the president's consent. Any raiding of the funds must be approved by the president who has a council of presidential advisers to advise him yes or no.
"Now, why should we do all these if we expect to overturn an election? We expect that if we are voted out, to stay out, and hope that within one term, that new government, incompetent and unable to deliver, will be out. And there're enough core competencies and the funds to enable a fresh PAP government to revive the system.
"One of the first lessons I learnt in politics was from Harold Laski. He said if you don't have a system that allows fundamental change by consent, you will have a revolution by violence.
If we block all possibilities, we must expect violence.
In that violence, eventually the army won't shoot because you are in the wrong.
That's what happens in Africa, the army goes in and holds up the president and often shoots him.
"If we had not these thoughts at the back of our minds, why do we do these things? Just to bluff the people? Doesn't make sense.
An army commander, air force or police has to be approved by a committee and the president must agree.
Why? Because we will appoint the commanders?
No, because a stupid government will do the wrong things and when we return, we may find the whole machinery has collapsed, as often is the case. Simple."
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
"One of the first lessons I learnt in politics was from Harold Laski. He said if you don't have a system that allows fundamental change by consent, you will have a revolution by violence.
If we block all possibilities, we must expect violence.
Nice joke from old man Lee.
ISD to Lim Hock Siew: Confess to save LKY's face
C. My Stand on the Demand for support for Parliamentary System
I hold the view that to support the P.A.P. regime's so-called parliamentary system would mean giving the public and the masses a false impression that there exist today a genuine parliamentary democratic system in Singapore Island. It is an undeniable and unforgettable fact that comrade LEE TSE TONG who was elected by the people of Singapore in the 1963 General Elections, was arbitrarily arrested and detained without trial soon after he was elected. Subsequently, he was deprived of his citizenship and he is still under detention as a so-called "banishee" in prisoner's clothes in Queenstown prison. The arbitrary arrest and prolonged detention of Comrade Lee Tse Tong affords concrete proof that the so-called parliamentary democracy is a cruel mockery. It does not exist in Singapore Island. Giving support to such a sham parliamentary system means complete betrayal of the people. I will never betray the people of my country under any circumstance. Bitter sacrifice strengthens bold resolve.
Parliamentary democracy does not mean merely casting of votes once in 5 years during election time. Far more important than this is the freedom of thought, the freedom of expression, the freedom of association, the freedom of organisation everyday during the 5 years period and continuously thereafter. I was arrested when the Barisan Sosialis was actively participating in the parliamentary system. For such participation, the colonial government, the Lee Kuan Yew and Rahman regimes had rewarded me with over 9 years of imprisonment. This again amply indicates the utter shamness of the so-called parliamentary democratic system. After over 9 years of detention, I am now asked to give support to their so-called parliamentary system in order to secure my release. I firmly refuse to give my support for the sham and illusory democracy in Singapore Island.http://www.yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/2753-isd-to-lim-hock-siew-confess-to-save-lkys-face
Talk more cock up more, people laugh more, mock more.
Old people like that, won't shut fucking mouth.
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No, because a stupid government will do the wrong things and when we return, we may find the whole machinery has collapsed, as often is the case. Simple."
Nothing is absolute, so don't be so over confident. Arrogance is a disease.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
No, because a stupid government will do the wrong things and when we return, we may find the whole machinery has collapsed, as often is the case. Simple."
Nothing is absolute, so don't be so over confident. Arrogance is a disease.
"No, because a stupid government will do the wrong things and when we return, we may find the whole machinery has collapsed, as often is the case. Simple."
It is surprising that his arrogance should display his ignorance.
Taiwan has always been referred to as a model as to why Democracy cannot work for Asian, due to its unruly parliamentarians.
It is amazing that somehow the Taiwanese experience is conveniently now dropped.
Could it be that despite Taiwan seeing the success of the DPP taking over the government from the long time rule of the KMT - we are now witnessing that Taiwan's economy was left unbroken, even after the two terms with the failed politics of Ah Bien at the helm ?
The KMT has won the last election in a more open and democratic political system then when it had earlier lost to the DPP, and the Taiwanese economy was not in tatters even as Ah Bien was not paying attention to the economy and was busy with Lee Teng Hui's political agenda for an independent Taiwan.
If Singapore can be so fragile that the country cannot withstand any government that is formed by an Alternative Political Party - it will be largely due to the inherent weak structure that LKY and the PAP had deliberately designed that makes the entire structure to be in the PAP's continued control.
As matters stand, if the PAP should lose an election - it will create a situation where all the Government Structures and the sub-Structures of GLCs are now firmly in the control of PAP appointees.
The PAP dominated legislature has already passed laws that prevent the incoming new Government to change the political appointees that head the various government agencies unless the Elected President consent. We know that the Elected President has always been from the PAP.
This is the legacy of instability that LKY and the PAP has created for Singapore.
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Originally posted by automator:
its amazing how whores can imagine themself to be living in heaven
what whores? it is true, we are much better than others, so please, uncles and aunties, for the sake of peace, heaven and earth, dun destroy our social fabric of harmony and prosperity just because of your hatre of one man, LKY ya. Think of others too, dun be selfish -
"if the opposition took power by a "freak result,"- When the oppositions win is by a freak result but a win by PAP is acceptable.What sort of statement by a respected person?It's filled with kiasuism,arrogance,selfishness and downright disrespectful.
"I spent 15 years thinking up these safeguards."- So now we know he thinks that SG belong to him and his family that's why he spent 15 yrs planning and plugging loopholes along the planning by various tactics to stifle other parties from winning elections after elections,eradicting dissent,using power to stamp down would be strong and possible rivals.
He spent 15 yrs.What about the other parties who are so keen to run SG.Are u planning the future of SG? If U didn't start immediately or else don't even think about standing for elections anymore.If U do,good.Be patient,be persistent,be smart,be mentally prepared,most important stand up to evry challenge infront.Most important don't be stupid.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
what whores? it is true, we are much better than others, so please, uncles and aunties, for the sake of peace, heaven and earth, dun destroy our social fabric of harmony and prosperity just because of your hatre of one man, LKY ya. Think of others too, dun be selfish
Shut up. your agenda here is to always oppose to truth, views of people to draw attention to yourself to disrupt discussion. You belong to your brothel, this place is not suitable for you.Who is selfish??? You are saying that you are selfish - for you come here solely to draw attention to yourself - this is truly selfish.
If you don't like it here then get lost and stay put in your brothel, old lau sicko granny angel7030.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
"No, because a stupid government will do the wrong things and when we return, we may find the whole machinery has collapsed, as often is the case. Simple."
It is surprising that his arrogance should display his ignorance.
Taiwan has always been referred to as a model as to why Democracy cannot work for Asian, due to its unruly parliamentarians.
It is amazing that somehow the Taiwanese experience is conveniently now dropped.
Could it be that despite Taiwan seeing the success of the DPP taking over the government from the long time rule of the KMT - we are now witnessing that Taiwan's economy was left unbroken, even after the two terms with the failed politics of Ah Bien at the helm ?
The KMT has won the last election in a more open and democratic political system then when it had earlier lost to the DPP, and the Taiwanese economy was not in tatters even as Ah Bien was not paying attention to the economy and was busy with Lee Teng Hui's political agenda for an independent Taiwan.
If Singapore can be so fragile that the country cannot withstand any government that is formed by an Alternative Political Party - it will be largely due to the inherent weak structure that LKY and the PAP had deliberately designed that makes the entire structure to be in the PAP's continued control.
As matters stand, if the PAP should lose an election - it will create a situation where all the Government Structures and the sub-Structures of GLCs are now firmly in the control of PAP appointees.
The PAP dominated legislature has already passed laws that prevent the incoming new Government to change the political appointees that head the various government agencies unless the Elected President consent. We know that the Elected President has always been from the PAP.
This is the legacy of instability that LKY and the PAP has created for Singapore.
If Singapore can be so fragile that the country cannot withstand any government that is formed by an Alternative Political Party - it will be largely due to the inherent weak structure that LKY and the PAP had deliberately designed that makes the entire structure to be in the PAP's continued control.
As matters stand, if the PAP should lose an election - it will create a situation where all the Government Structures and the sub-Structures of GLCs are now firmly in the control of PAP appointees.
The PAP dominated legislature has already passed laws that prevent the incoming new Government to change the political appointees that head the various government agencies unless the Elected President consent. We know that the Elected President has always been from the PAP.
This is the legacy of instability that LKY and the PAP has created for Singapore.
These are in my thoughts, too. Knowing LKY!
It is pretty unfortunate for the tiny dot sg to have such a leader.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Shut up. your agenda here is to always oppose to truth, views of people to draw attention to yourself to disrupt discussion. You belong to your brothel, this place is not suitable for you.Who is selfish??? You are saying that you are selfish - for you come here solely to draw attention to yourself - this is truly selfish.
If you don't like it here then get lost and stay put in your brothel, old lau sicko granny angel7030.
u shut up lah...very cute..
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angel7030, you provide escort services?
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
If Singapore can be so fragile that the country cannot withstand any government that is formed by an Alternative Political Party - it will be largely due to the inherent weak structure that LKY and the PAP had deliberately designed that makes the entire structure to be in the PAP's continued control.
As matters stand, if the PAP should lose an election - it will create a situation where all the Government Structures and the sub-Structures of GLCs are now firmly in the control of PAP appointees.
The PAP dominated legislature has already passed laws that prevent the incoming new Government to change the political appointees that head the various government agencies unless the Elected President consent. We know that the Elected President has always been from the PAP.
This is the legacy of instability that LKY and the PAP has created for Singapore.
These are in my thoughts, too. Knowing LKY!
It is pretty unfortunate for the tiny dot sg to have such a leader.
ya,. i believe that singapore is so so fragile that any opposition who managed to win will find it hard to control and then blame it on the former PAP govt mismangement, so easy to blame other ya...but after a year or two, where they run out of blaming and accuses, i think speaker'c corner will be full of opposition PAP commenting and criticising the ruling party as what you all are doing it here.Not till you win, please talk less, dun hallucinate yourself and start dreaming. If you really want to win PAP, it is still a long way to go, start working smart and good.
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Originally posted by angel3070:
angel7030, you provide escort services?
i dun do this lor, but i really pity her, if it is true for her mother illness. Nevertheless, i think she is doing the wrong way.To my experiences, she is just giving an accuses, and also she looks like thai to me, me sg gal are much better in skin complex and look.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
ya,. i believe that singapore is so so fragile that any opposition who managed to win will find it hard to controlWhy Singapore hard to control and fragile? Temasek lose billions also alright wah. Ho Ching still there.
Lose billions and billions, flood island with foreign aliens, everything okay.
Where got fragile?
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Originally posted by angel3070:
Why Singapore hard to control and fragile? Temasek lose billions also alright wah. Ho Ching still there.
who knows, opposition may loose the whole lots and give away sentosa, that is why i said, it is so fragile and risky, if you dun hv the guts and skin of my Aunt Ho, you better forget it. -
damn, i am finding hard to click between 3070 and 7030...everytime clicked on my own post ...
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Originally posted by angel7030:
what whores? it is true, we are much better than others, so please, uncles and aunties, for the sake of peace, heaven and earth, dun destroy our social fabric of harmony and prosperity just because of your hatre of one man, LKY ya. Think of others too, dun be selfish
We hate LKY and the whore angel7030 too.Ya we are all better than the whore angel7030.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
damn, i am finding hard to click between 3070 and 7030...everytime clicked on my own post ...
Well done attention seeking whore -
automator, give me some face, stop attacking angel7030 as whore. Thank you.
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Originally posted by angel3070:
automator, give me some face, stop attacking angel7030 as whore. Thank you.
So u finally admit that angel7030 and angel3070 is the same person -
I think regarding the matter of Temasek losses, did they mentioned that they managed to make a profit? I wonder if the investment is a sound one, considering the fact that billion losses can really make a person sleepless almost every night. I finally knew the reason as to whyy my local fren askem me not to change my citizenship to a Spore citizenship. I also served full-time NS and read report about my local colleuage AWOL to other countries.