Cost of building HDB flats – finally an answer?
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Originally posted by angel3070:
Old man won't be happy. He doesn't like people to know that he is nothing but moronic bullshit. He prefers brainwashed public to vote for him.
Political leaders must be "found".
So are you a Lee or Li?
You obey the old man dictates?
Otherwise you won't be "found".
Political leaders are found?
That is pure bullshit!!!
Political leaders are tempered through political strife, you are not born to be the PM like some long forgotten monarchial system.
Did he made that statement to justify his son's position or has he gone totally senile?
This is the most basic and most often-asked question about leadership. To cut to the chase, the answer is: ‘mostly made.'
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/200903/leaders-born-or-made
Leaders are Always Made
Leadership can be learned by anyone with the basics. But an awful lot of leadership cannot be taught.
That's because leadership is an apprentice trade. Leaders learn about 80 percent of their craft on the job.
http://www.threestarleadership.com/articles/bornormade.htm
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Bimbo ah.Thats wat the government wan us to think!
Its because of ppl like u,thats y our society not progressing pass a certain point.
If u build ur nation on dreams of a better living by $$,how long u think that nation will last?
Dun Bimbo study history too?Maybe not right?
Then go brush up ur history and get some facts right.Stop comparing stupid statistic that we alrdy know.Its this kind of comparing that is degrading our nation!
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Why HDB flats so expensive if construction costs so little?
Why?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
To some peoples, what is so wrong about HDB being expensive, it is more affordable than HK, giving the land space we have here..and more over, you can gain from it after selling it and upgrade to a bigger house. In account term, this is an asset on an going concern, meaning you exchange your cash for an asset that is expanding, and you can also rent out yr asset to earn more money while the asset is expanding, there is simply no liability in purchasing a HDB, the only thing is the 99 years leasing, which in most cases, HDB would have enblocked it before 50 years.
any facts or statistics to back your statements that public housing is more expensive in HongKong? Do you work in HDB and know the future enbloc policy or is it written anywhere in the tenancy and lease agreement from HDB?
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Prices of public housing in Hong Kong compared to Singapore makes no sense if you don't compare the salaries.
Hong Kong
Bookkeeper / accounting clerk = HK$11,972 (SG$2,227)
General office clerk = HK$10,146 (SG$1,887)
Receptionist = HK$10,257 (SG$1,908)
Documentation / shipping clerk = HK$12,371 (SG$2,301)
Sales clerk / shop assistant = HK$9,591 (SG$1,784)
Waiter / Waitress = HK$8,139 (SG$1,514)
(HK$1 = SG$0.186)
How much are Singaporeans getting paid in these occupations?
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If SG pays above salaries, more people will take up the jobs.
By the way, HK got CPF?
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A Singapore jobstreet search shows waiters are paid between SG$1,000 to SG$1,200.
http://job-search.jobstreet.com.sg/singapore/job/vacancy/spez/food-beverage-restaurant-service-jobs
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Hong Kong has a similar CPF system, it's called MPF (Mandatory Provident Fund), the only difference is that it's not like the CPF which gives you a fixed 3% interest rate.
Members are given financial advice so they can better manage their retirement fund, it's not a cheap source of funds for the government like Singapore. The HK government also provides a guarantee to the funds invested in MPF.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
A Singapore jobstreet search shows waiters are paid between SG$1,000 to SG$1,200.
http://job-search.jobstreet.com.sg/singapore/job/vacancy/spez/food-beverage-restaurant-service-jobs
PAP would rather flood us with foreign cheap labour than come up with ways to increase wages of working class.
Minister pay of course they will for sure increase. That goes without saying.
Haiz, these fucking Singaporeans, low paying jobs not interested, have to keep on repeat and repeat to tell them to "change" mentality. Go for low paying jobs.
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Originally posted by angel3070:
PAP would rather flood us with foreign cheap labour than come up with ways to increase wages of working class.
Minister pay of course they will for sure increase. That goes without saying.
Haiz, these fucking Singaporeans, low paying jobs not interested, have to keep on repeat and repeat to tell them to "change" mentality. Go for low paying jobs.
That's their only solution to being competitive.
Drive down the wages of Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
That's their only solution to being competitive.
Drive down the wages of Singaporeans.
Our talented ministers and their super original plans.
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Originally posted by Calvin86:
any facts or statistics to back your statements that public housing is more expensive in HongKong? Do you work in HDB and know the future enbloc policy or is it written anywhere in the tenancy and lease agreement from HDB?
u been to HK or not, u know how squeeze and small their room is, most people only rent from the landlord, last time they also have to live in boats. Only their big rich stars live in bunglows on hill of Victoria, most hongkee house also dun have kitchen, that is why they like to eat outside, and that is also why HK foods is so nice, competition at it very best ya.I do not know the enbloc policy, but any bloc that is due to change it image or being bought over by private agent, you get good return, and if you see the image of singapore changing, it is so fast that if you go away 30 years, you hardly recognise the place except some cultural and historical places
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Originally posted by angel7030:
u been to HK or not, u know how squeeze and small their room is, most people only rent from the landlord, last time they also have to live in boats. Only their big rich stars live in bunglows on hill of Victoria, most hongkee house also dun have kitchen, that is why they like to eat outside, and that is also why HK foods is so nice, competition at it very best ya.If you are a Taiwan "hum" - what do you know about Hongkong ?
Do you even know what is Hong Kong about ?
And also about the
The only purpose for a "Taiwan Hum" in Hong Kong is for the "hum" to be eaten.
I do not know the enbloc policy, but any bloc that is due to change it image or being bought over by private agent, you get good return, and if you see the image of singapore changing, it is so fast that if you go away 30 years, you hardly recognise the place except some cultural and historical places
You should ask all your fellow "hums" if they will give up their shells and try to benefit in an en bloc sale.
A "hum" will always remain as a "hum" - can a change of the shell change anything ?
Only a "hum" takes 30 years to move anywhere, and still cannot recognise its origins.
Does your "hum" do all the talking and singing for you ?
It looks like you will depend on the shell to do all the thinking ?
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when calculating the cost of new HDB flat,do u think we need to include the cost
of turning kampung few decades ago to the current new town?
How much did gavaman spend on acquisition of land,
building infrastructures--roads,water/electricity pipes lines,schools etc?
what u guys talking about are direct costs.Shall we think abt the initial
and indiect cost of the whole new town?Wil u buy any HDB if it is situated
in the middle of a piece of land without the new town facilities nearby,
such as CC,market,schools,transports to work etc?
Tell me how many gavaman in the world can give u this kind of
public housing,without the control of serious crime gangsters?
Ya.PAP is still a democratic socialist party,though it life Socialist International
long time ago.
PEOPLES ACTION PARTY PAP SINGAPORE SOCIALISM www.pap.org.sg ...
2.Jobs,strong defense ,public order etc maintain the prices of HDB prices
Do u think HDB can sell the HDB new flats in this kind of prices if:
A.We have very high employment rate say 20%.Our trained teachers
,aritchitect and nurses etc have to work in overseas as maids ,construction
workers or supervisors.
B.SG can be ran over by any country in 24 hours,if there is no
strong SAF.
C.SG are controlled by gangsters.Some of them are sitting in parilment,
like Taiwan and India!!
Pl think more boardly.Life is not so simple.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
If you are a Taiwan "hum" - what do you know about Hongkong ?
Do you even know what is Hong Kong about ?
And also about the
The only purpose for a "Taiwan Hum" in Hong Kong is for the "hum" to be eaten.
You should ask all your fellow "hums" if they will give up their shells and try to benefit in an en bloc sale.
A "hum" will always remain as a "hum" - can a change of the shell change anything ?
Only a "hum" takes 30 years to move anywhere, and still cannot recognise its origins.
Does your "hum" do all the talking and singing for you ?
It looks like you will depend on the shell to do all the thinking ?
aiyo, humsup uncle, hongkong very near taiwan mah, for us is just like going to malaysia ya. One thing for sure is that Hongkong is still facing lots of uncertainties after 1997, the govt are only beijing lackeys, they will not even care so much, they are just adminstrator, not ruling, 40 years down the road, they dun even know if they still hold power or migrate out, given that sense, do you thing they are going to build houses and do more for the hongkees peoples??. Every rich hongkees at least got 3 to 4 property overseas, malaysia KL and singapore are one of the top spot for them to migrate if thing turn sour in their homeland. You cannot underestimate the commie ruler, they can change thing without going thru parliament ya.Therefore there is still alot of vague future about hongkee life, whereas in singapore, we are more at peace and we also know that we are full independent state, whether opposition or PAP takes over, we know that we are still singaporeans, and the ruling party can draft out a 10 years blue print for singapore and beyong, because it can be achieved given that we have no obligation to any other countries.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
when calculating the cost of new HDB flat,do u think we need to include the cost
of turning kampung few decades ago to the current new town?
How much did gavaman spend on acquisition of land,
building infrastructures--roads,water/electricity pipes lines,schools etc?
what u guys talking about are direct costs.Shall we think abt the initial
and indiect cost of the whole new town?Wil u buy any HDB if it is situated
in the middle of a piece of land without the new town facilities nearby,
such as CC,market,schools,transports to work etc?
Tell me how many gavaman in the world can give u this kind of
public housing,without the control of serious crime gangsters?
Ya.PAP is still a democratic socialist party,though it life Socialist International
long time ago.
PEOPLES ACTION PARTY PAP SINGAPORE SOCIALISM www.pap.org.sg ...
2.Jobs,strong defense ,public order etc maintain the prices of HDB prices
Do u think HDB can sell the HDB new flats in this kind of prices if:
A.We have very high employment rate say 20%.Our trained teachers
,aritchitect and nurses etc have to work in overseas as maids ,construction
workers or supervisors.
B.SG can be ran over by any country in 24 hours,if there is no
strong SAF.
C.SG are controlled by gangsters.Some of them are sitting in parilment,
like Taiwan and India!!
Pl think more boardly.Life is not so simple.
Aiyoyo...Lionoisy.. you ish beri the xiao suay Singaporeans leh.. are you beri sure you are Singaporean or not har ? Please double check your birthcert, can ?
The other taxes are for wat one har ?
Road Tax, Income tax, Goods and Service Tax, Property Tax, all kinds of licensing tax. And wat other tax can you think of ?
If I no remember wrongly hor.. last time got baby tax leh.
Are you implying those money gahmen collect already.. all go their own pocket har ? Wait later the ISD come catch you then you know !!!
And what is the use of having such high HDB prices when new families cannot even afford to lease one ????
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Whether HDB earns a profit from pigeon holes flats or MND's failure to control prices. It is the Government's responsibility to provide affordable public housing to all Singaporeans.
That is what we have voted them in for! To look after our interest not foreigners or PRs.
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Originally posted by ahtansh:
Whether HDB earns a profit from pigeon holes flats or MND's failure to control prices. It is the Government's responsibility to provide affordable public housing to all Singaporeans.
That is what we have voted them in for! To look after our interest not foreigners or PRs.
Then the next election, dun vote for them lah.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
aiyo, humsup uncle, hongkong very near taiwan mah, for us is just like going to malaysia ya. One thing for sure is that Hongkong is still facing lots of uncertainties after 1997, the govt are only beijing lackeys, they will not even care so much, they are just adminstrator, not ruling, 40 years down the road, they dun even know if they still hold power or migrate out, given that sense, do you thing they are going to build houses and do more for the hongkees peoples??. Every rich hongkees at least got 3 to 4 property overseas, malaysia KL and singapore are one of the top spot for them to migrate if thing turn sour in their homeland. You cannot underestimate the commie ruler, they can change thing without going thru parliament ya.Only a "hum" stuck in its shell will believe that "Hongkong is still facing lots of uncertainties after 1997 and libel that Hongkong government are only beijing lackeys"..
Obviously, the PAP lackey mind of the resident "hum" knows alot about lackeys.
The ignorance of the resident "Hum" is truly remarkable - if the Hongkies are preparing themselves with 3 or 4 homes in different countries, what are you doing outside of your Taiwan ?
Are you afraid that another Ah Bian will come along and rile China into attacking Taiwan ? So much for your hypocritical pride in being a Taiwanese.
Therefore there is still alot of vague future about hongkee life, whereas in singapore, we are more at peace and we also know that we are full independent state, whether opposition or PAP takes over, we know that we are still singaporeans, and the ruling party can draft out a 10 years blue print for singapore and beyong, because it can be achieved given that we have no obligation to any other countries.
The life of a "hum" should be more vague considering the useless nights stalking the streets of Singapore without any fullfillment from the men who gets into a state of dysfunction at the sight of your "hum".
The hypocrisy of your "hum" mentality reveals itself again, and again.
Can a Taiwanese be a loyal Singaporean ?
You have already declared that it is time to pack your bag and return to Taiwan.
Why will you - a Taiwanese - bother to be in Singapore when Taiwanese look at Singapore as nothing more that a piece "nose dirt" ?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
when calculating the cost of new HDB flat,do u think we need to include the cost
of turning kampung few decades ago to the current new town?
How much did gavaman spend on acquisition of land,
building infrastructures--roads,water/electricity pipes lines,schools etc?
what u guys talking about are direct costs.Shall we think abt the initial
and indiect cost of the whole new town?Wil u buy any HDB if it is situated
in the middle of a piece of land without the new town facilities nearby,
such as CC,market,schools,transports to work etc?
Tell me how many gavaman in the world can give u this kind of
public housing,without the control of serious crime gangsters?
Ya.PAP is still a democratic socialist party,though it life Socialist International
long time ago.
PEOPLES ACTION PARTY PAP SINGAPORE SOCIALISM www.pap.org.sg ...
2.Jobs,strong defense ,public order etc maintain the prices of HDB prices
Do u think HDB can sell the HDB new flats in this kind of prices if:
A.We have very high employment rate say 20%.Our trained teachers
,aritchitect and nurses etc have to work in overseas as maids ,construction
workers or supervisors.
B.SG can be ran over by any country in 24 hours,if there is no
strong SAF.
C.SG are controlled by gangsters.Some of them are sitting in parilment,
like Taiwan and India!!
Pl think more boardly.Life is not so simple.
Were the infrastrature and money for land acquisition not funded by the citizen's money, especially CPF which they were forced to save at 40-50% of their salary to build these infrastrature?
Is it right forcibly acquire these land when the owners refused to sell them? And if they are acquired at such cheap prices and infrastrature funded with the citizens CPF/funds, is it right to charge Singaporeans at such high prices?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
when calculating the cost of new HDB flat,do u think we need to include the cost
of turning kampung few decades ago to the current new town?
How much did gavaman spend on acquisition of land,
building infrastructures--roads,water/electricity pipes lines,schools etc?
what u guys talking about are direct costs.Shall we think abt the initial
and indiect cost of the whole new town?Wil u buy any HDB if it is situated
in the middle of a piece of land without the new town facilities nearby,
such as CC,market,schools,transports to work etc?
Tell me how many gavaman in the world can give u this kind of
public housing,without the control of serious crime gangsters?
Ya.PAP is still a democratic socialist party,though it life Socialist International
long time ago.
PEOPLES ACTION PARTY PAP SINGAPORE SOCIALISM www.pap.org.sg ...
2.Jobs,strong defense ,public order etc maintain the prices of HDB prices
Do u think HDB can sell the HDB new flats in this kind of prices if:
A.We have very high employment rate say 20%.Our trained teachers
,aritchitect and nurses etc have to work in overseas as maids ,construction
workers or supervisors.
B.SG can be ran over by any country in 24 hours,if there is no
strong SAF.
C.SG are controlled by gangsters.Some of them are sitting in parilment,
like Taiwan and India!!
Pl think more boardly.Life is not so simple.
Yes, how much did the Government spend on land compensation when they robbed property owners at below market rates, when previously they will use market rates to calculate Property Tax ?
What does a lion know about property when its home is a simple hole anywhere that it can find to fit itself into ?
Can there be any value with your hole ?
Others have even noted the unique Singapore situation that has resulted in - Insecurity of Tenure? Erosion of Fundamental Rights of Strata-Titled Property Owners in Singapore’ (*1)
Can you offer a better case to justify the high prices of HDB units that are built as part of Nation Building plan ?
If you have no expertise in Urban Planning as part of nation building, it is best that you stay out of the controversies in justifying the high HDB Public Housing with the capital costs of supporting infrastructures.
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Originally posted by ahtansh:
Whether HDB earns a profit from pigeon holes flats or MND's failure to control prices. It is the Government's responsibility to provide affordable public housing to all Singaporeans.
That is what we have voted them in for! To look after our interest not foreigners or PRs.
wait n wait lah, then it will come true!"affordable" is up to them to say.
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Haha! Yah. Let's wait...........................
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Most of the Woes experience in SG are all interconnected.
If they truly want to make Singapore Unique. Be Bold.....
SG govt should come up with Free HDB flat scheme to newly married couple for Free. A stress free start up. Solved population drain problems.
Minimum Wage for jobs to encourage Singaporean entered certain work force otherwise would be hired foreign workers.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Most of the Woes experience in SG are all interconnected.
If they truly want to make Singapore Unique. Be Bold.....
SG govt should come up with Free HDB flat scheme to newly married couple for Free. A stress free start up. Solved population drain problems.
Minimum Wage for jobs to encourage Singaporean entered certain work force otherwise would be hired foreign workers.
you brush teeth already or not?