Chee Soon Juan debates George Yeo on facebook
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George yeo cant even debate for nuts sake. I dont even know why he wants to open a fb account. In any debate whether its online or in public, Dr Chee will win hands down.
Its not even a debate. Its a massacre.
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Its so clear that you're one of those who read their propagandas papers and did not open up your mind to listen to what the other party has to say.
So you believe whatever was written in the papers by SPH?
I have a copy (text and audio) of Chee's trial with LKY. I bet you never read nor hear before.
Why dun u share here? -
Originally posted by Singmarine:
Why dun u share here?Ya, upload it to mediafire
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correct, doesn't want to debate, then for heaven sake don't open a fb account!
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Wat toking u?No lah, i mean they all NATO, as in No-Action-Talk-Only....
Yup, exactly.
What has NATO (noun) been doing anyway? =P
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In April 2007, Singapore’s Parliament debated the issue of ministerial salaries. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, in defending the proposed revision then, said, “We have decided to be open, upfront, transparent – what you see is what you get (Wysiwyg), or, in this case, what you see is what they get.”
PM Lee reiterated this position in March 2009, in an interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). “We go on a system which is open, honest, transparent,” he said in response to the interviewer’s question on his salary.
The issue of ministers’ salary is currently being debated between Foreign Affairs Minister, Mr George Yeo, and the secretary general of the Singapore Democratic Party, Dr Chee Soon Juan, on Facebook.
In the exchange, Mr Yeo seems to have contradicted what the Prime Minister said:
“The salary ranges include a discretionary component decided by the PM which is confidential,” said Mr Yeo in response to Dr Chee’s question on how much Mr Yeo himself is being paid.
Dr Chee replied: “First you say that ministers’ salaries are in the public domain. Then you say that there is a discretionary component that is confidential. However you put it, the bottom-line is that ministers’ salaries are secret. I don’t understand why you keep insisting that they are in the public domain.”
Dr Chee added that the “discretionary component decided by the PM is not small – it makes up nearly half of each minister’s salary.”
In December 2007, civil servants’ salary was revised upwards to 77 per cent of the benchmarks against the private sector. The Prime Minister has discretion on how much bonuses each minister receives. This includes a GDP Bonus which is tied to the performance of the economy, and a Performance Bonus, decided by the PM. Depending on the grade of the minister and the state of the economy, bonuses range from 0 months to 14 months.
“One third of the Ministers’ package is presently variable, after the revision, half is going to be variable,” the Prime Minister explained in Parliament in 2007, “and it depends on two things – the GDP, how well the economy is performing and his individual performance.” PM Lee added, “The Prime Minister decides how much the Minister will get, how he has performed in his portfolio.”
The Prime Minister’s salary is currently S$3.87 million, while that of his ministers range from $1.5 million to $3.4 million.
In response to the public’s letters to the Straits Times and on the Internet about civil servants salaries in 2007, the Public Service Division (PSD) said, “Ministers do not receive any perks. The salary is everything there is.”
While it may be true that the “salary is everything there is”, Mr George Yeo’s remarks that there is a “discretionary component” in the calculation may need to be further explained by the government. Was Mr Yeo referring to the bonus component of the salary?
At the moment, how much each minister receives in terms of bonuses is kept secret. Singaporeans do not know, for example, how much in terms of bonuses Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng received, in light of the escape of Singapore’s number one suspected terrorist, Mas Selamat Kastari, in 2007.
Since the PM and various ministers have insisted that remuneration is “transparent” and, according to Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, “completely above board”, Singaporeans deserve to know what this “confidential discretionary component” is.
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Originally posted by 4sg:
In April 2007, Singapore’s Parliament debated the issue of ministerial salaries. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, in defending the proposed revision then, said, “We have decided to be open, upfront, transparent – what you see is what you get (Wysiwyg), or, in this case, what you see is what they get.”
PM Lee reiterated this position in March 2009, in an interview with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). “We go on a system which is open, honest, transparent,” he said in response to the interviewer’s question on his salary.
The issue of ministers’ salary is currently being debated between Foreign Affairs Minister, Mr George Yeo, and the secretary general of the Singapore Democratic Party, Dr Chee Soon Juan, on Facebook.
In the exchange, Mr Yeo seems to have contradicted what the Prime Minister said:
“The salary ranges include a discretionary component decided by the PM which is confidential,” said Mr Yeo in response to Dr Chee’s question on how much Mr Yeo himself is being paid.
Dr Chee replied: “First you say that ministers’ salaries are in the public domain. Then you say that there is a discretionary component that is confidential. However you put it, the bottom-line is that ministers’ salaries are secret. I don’t understand why you keep insisting that they are in the public domain.”
Dr Chee added that the “discretionary component decided by the PM is not small – it makes up nearly half of each minister’s salary.”
In December 2007, civil servants’ salary was revised upwards to 77 per cent of the benchmarks against the private sector. The Prime Minister has discretion on how much bonuses each minister receives. This includes a GDP Bonus which is tied to the performance of the economy, and a Performance Bonus, decided by the PM. Depending on the grade of the minister and the state of the economy, bonuses range from 0 months to 14 months.
“One third of the Ministers’ package is presently variable, after the revision, half is going to be variable,” the Prime Minister explained in Parliament in 2007, “and it depends on two things – the GDP, how well the economy is performing and his individual performance.” PM Lee added, “The Prime Minister decides how much the Minister will get, how he has performed in his portfolio.”
The Prime Minister’s salary is currently S$3.87 million, while that of his ministers range from $1.5 million to $3.4 million.
In response to the public’s letters to the Straits Times and on the Internet about civil servants salaries in 2007, the Public Service Division (PSD) said, “Ministers do not receive any perks. The salary is everything there is.”
While it may be true that the “salary is everything there is”, Mr George Yeo’s remarks that there is a “discretionary component” in the calculation may need to be further explained by the government. Was Mr Yeo referring to the bonus component of the salary?
At the moment, how much each minister receives in terms of bonuses is kept secret. Singaporeans do not know, for example, how much in terms of bonuses Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng received, in light of the escape of Singapore’s number one suspected terrorist, Mas Selamat Kastari, in 2007.
Since the PM and various ministers have insisted that remuneration is “transparent” and, according to Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, “completely above board”, Singaporeans deserve to know what this “confidential discretionary component” is.
You mean they have a discretionary component that is not shown in public records?
What is on public record is the minimum amount they are getting?
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Originally posted by lotus999:
correct, doesn’t want to debate, then for heaven sake don’t open a fb account!
dun open open face book, no face mah. -
Originally posted by charlize:
You mean they have a discretionary component that is not shown in public records?
What is on public record is the minimum amount they are getting?
no, dun be a fool, the minimum said is only for public record, the so call transparent part. The true amount is purposely make not known so that it will be more fun. -
Originally posted by Singmarine:
Why dun u share here?Originally posted by dadeadman1337:Ya, upload it to mediafire
Singmarine & dadeadman1337, i've pm-ed u both the link for your reading. =) -
Originally posted by Stimulatedfib:
Yup, exactly.
What has NATO (noun) been doing anyway? =P
Haha... dun twist my word hor... =p
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Originally posted by charlize:
You mean they have a discretionary component that is not shown in public records?
What is on public record is the minimum amount they are getting?
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
I think they have more discretionary components which will never be revealed to us.
All paid are confidential, that was what i learnt during my HR course.U all dunno meh??? next time when u take a paycheck, read the cover before open ya.
Opening of colleagues or exposing of others paid is an offend and is liable to immediate dismissal ya.
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Haha... dun twist my word hor... =p
Don't worry, I very well-behaved here, as everyone knows. ^_^"
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Singmarine & dadeadman1337, i've pm-ed u both the link for your reading. =)After listening, you can't even get what kinda question chee is asking that has any relevance at all to the case, kena pwned at ard 7 minute
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Originally posted by Stimulatedfib:
Don't worry, I very well-behaved here, as everyone knows. ^_^"
ya, i know, cos we met and u sound nice and well behave,..by the way, you left your tail behind. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
ya, i know, cos we met and u sound nice and well behave,..by the way, you left your tail behind.Hope you didn't have fun pulling it off... =\
My, my... wonder what you're doing with it now... o.O
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Originally posted by dadeadman1337:
After listening, you can't even get what kinda question chee is asking that has any relevance at all to the case, kena pwned at ard 7 minute
You must follow up on the case.
The link is only the starting.
Pay attention to how LKY and LHL replies.
I do agree that Chee can shoot out any questions which you may think its irrelevant.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
All paid are confidential, that was what i learnt during my HR course.U all dunno meh??? next time when u take a paycheck, read the cover before open ya.
Opening of colleagues or exposing of others paid is an offend and is liable to immediate dismissal ya.
Wah... i never study HR wor... contract law consider?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
ya, i know, cos we met and u sound nice and well behave,..by the way, you left your tail behind.you still haven't had enough fun with his tail? LOL...
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Originally posted by Stimulatedfib:
Don't worry, I very well-behaved here, as everyone knows. ^_^"
perhaps Angel knows more.. =p -
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
you still haven't had enough fun with his tail? LOL...
i would had cooked a wonderful oxtail soup -
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Wah... i never study HR wor... contract law consider?
it is actually under rights infringement laws, you simply cannot read other letters, particular or payslip without proper consent. Same as copyrights and all right reserved laws. Understand!! -
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
perhaps Angel knows more.. =pHope not. =\
Well, at least not as much as lola zehzeh. XP
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If I may.A piece of advice to DR Chee and SDP-change your political style,attitudes and ways in tackling the political regime here.They are very cunning with their propagandas. The image that you are in now is not good.Names like "psycho dog"etc is not conducive to press ahead in politics especially in Singapore.The electorates here are educated and pragmatic. You'd already played into the hands of PAP and yet you still headbutting your way thru',this isn't gonna work. Initially, when you entered into the political arena I had high expectations of you but was very dissappoited. My wish is- you can review,refresh and make a conscientious resurgence to fight this regime machinery and make pples lives liveable here. Do it the smart way this time,alright?.