Aging population, low birth rate and the civil service
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Why PAP bent on creating society where you must pay for everything?
"We are moving in the direction of making people pay for everything."
Why must die die move in that direction PAP?
Isn't it clear to you that to them everything is money? Even before they give baby bonus, they ask to show them the money in the bank account first.PAP is more like a business organisation.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Isn't it clear to you that to them everything is money? Even before they give baby bonus, they ask to show them the money in the bank account first.PAP is more like a business organisation.
Maybe they dont want to waste that $$$ and give it someone poor who may deserve it. it ensure that the baby bonus serve its worth
Imagine a guy with a 2 storey bungalow and a BMW claiming baby bonus. Then he uses that $$$ to go and buy a new engine for his car...
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Civil??? No no, they have the worst politics. Worse than the private sector
Why not call themselves the politics service? Why call themselves the civil service when they are not so civil? -
Originally posted by flapdoodle:
Maybe they dont want to waste that $$$ and give it someone poor who may deserve it. Imagine a guy with a 2 storey bungalow and a BMW claiming baby bonus.
You don't get it. Before they give baby bonus, regardless of poor or rich, they wanna see money in bank account first.
To them everything is money.
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Originally posted by S.gal83:
Why not call themselves the politics service? Why call themselves the civil service when they are not so civil?
Politics service does not sound nice. They play dirty politics, much worse than private sector -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Civil??? No no, they have the worst politics. Worse than the private sector
Why not call themselves the politics service? Why call themselves the civil service when they are not so civil? -
Everything so HIGH yet still can see some HEROs dunno die how to write one earning 1K or even below having 4 to 5 childrens ( maybe even more IDK ).
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Imagine a guy with a 2 storey bungalow and a BMW claiming baby bonus. Then he uses that $$$ to go and buy a new engine for his car...
They so concerned?
I thought they lose billions of money like nobody's business.
100 billion also lose already what's with a few baby bonuses?
Singapore only got human resource as they say, that is drying out too.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
You don't get it. Before they give baby bonus, regardless of poor or rich, they wanna see money in bank account first.
To them everything is money.
Does the baby bonus say, that only a particular income group is eligible for it?
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
They so concerned?
I thought they lose billions of money like nobody's business.
100 billion also lose already what's with a few baby bonuses?
Singapore only got human resource as they say, that is drying out too.
the rich people cannot buy 2 room flat. same thing. they cannot have high progress package too
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Originally posted by flapdoodle:
Does the baby bonus say, that only a particular income group is eligible for it?
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so whats with the bank account thing. I am not familiar with the baby bonus becaos obviously i am not married.
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Originally posted by flapdoodle:
so whats with the bank account thing. I am not familiar with the baby bonus becaos obviously i am not married.
I am not married, too. Married friend told me about it. As long as there is birth of baby, govt will give baby bonus. -
Originally posted by flapdoodle:
so whats with the bank account thing. I am not familiar with the baby bonus becaos obviously i am not married.
u not married or no one want to marry you?
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Originally posted by angel7030:
u not married or no one want to marry you?the girl i like doesnt want to marry me but the girls i not interested in wants to.
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Originally posted by flapdoodle:
the girl i like doesnt want to marry me but the girls i not interested in wants to.
as usual the gals you like are beautiful, slim and big at the right place, the gals that like you but you dun like are fat fat, poker face and big mouth. -
Haiya, likely they will try to offer either cash or tax incentives to increase the birth rates. Whether it works or doesn't, that's another matter.
The real core issue here is time & money. Sometimes, when u hv the time, u don;t hv the money, when u hv the money, u don;t hv the time cause u're busy making more money. Something's gotta give, the citizens will hv to decide for themselves.
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Originally posted by Communique07:
Haiya, likely they will try to offer either cash or tax incentives to increase the birth rates. Whether it works or doesn't, that's another matter.
The real core issue here is time & money. Sometimes, when u hv the time, u don;t hv the money, when u hv the money, u don;t hv the time cause u're busy making more money. Something's gotta give, the citizens will hv to decide for themselves.
you are right on the real core issue. Many parents in 2 room flats can find the time to have babies because they don't have the money that require time to spend. So the incentives will help them to reduce their financial burden in having kids.
those who have lots of money, they take more time to make more money and actually many don't have time to spend, they leave their kids to the maids. no bonus will work for them.
but of course there are those who are even not married, some because nobody want them, so give them bonus also no use. there are also some couples, can't give birth no matter how they try, may be take too much contraceptives in the beginning.
and finally, many babies in this forum, they need to grow up first, find a girlfriend, then hope their wife can give birth, oh...they need also to find job to feed the wife first, otherwise there will only talk about baby bonus from what they hear from their friends.
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i think for most married guys, they rather displace their sperms on a plastic tube than on their wifeys womb. Having said that, it doesn't matter, most of sg guys sperms cannot make it, all get drowned, poor in swimming.
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the money all go to lee kuan yew and his son. his son's wife. TT durai, Mi Yi the fake monk.
so no more the the decent singaporean.
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The report by UN shows that Singapore will have one of the oldest median age by 2050. Our median age (average age) of Singapore is ~50, which is pretty old. With India, China, Bangladesh strong economical growth, lesser foreigners will come to work in Singapore, which results in a loss of growth for our population. It will drop to ~3.5million by 2100.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
i think for most married guys, they rather displace their sperms on a plastic tube than on their wifeys womb. Having said that, it doesn't matter, most of sg guys sperms cannot make it, all get drowned, poor in swimming.
Huh? SG men got so chia lat one? -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
you are right on the real core issue. Many parents in 2 room flats can find the time to have babies because they don't have the money that require time to spend. So the incentives will help them to reduce their financial burden in having kids.
those who have lots of money, they take more time to make more money and actually many don't have time to spend, they leave their kids to the maids. no bonus will work for them.
but of course there are those who are even not married, some because nobody want them, so give them bonus also no use. there are also some couples, can't give birth no matter how they try, may be take too much contraceptives in the beginning.
and finally, many babies in this forum, they need to grow up first, find a girlfriend, then hope their wife can give birth, oh...they need also to find job to feed the wife first, otherwise there will only talk about baby bonus from what they hear from their friends.
I think u're right. U've covered most if not all of the bases on our segments. My take on this is even when u give the baby bonus & extended maternity leave, for the lower income, its doesn't really much of a difference. And for the higher income, taxes & money are not the issue. So while the intentions may be good, i think the benefits may not click.
I think today,before anyone has a family, 1st thing they'll ask is, Can i afford it? Next, will i hv time for my kids? Sure u can take 2 -3 jobs, bt pretty soon the child is gonna call another person daddy or mommy, & as it is, our divorce rate sare on the rise.
I feel a more long term solutuon to this wld be, Entreprenership. Natrually, the devil is in the details,,,etc,,, currently all the schemes they hv under Spring, Seeds, etc...does not really cater for the mom & pop business. So if there're really serious abt this, they shld make credit more easily accessible for the Sporeans to be self-reliant, & hv more time for their families after the initial start-up period.
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Originally posted by Communique07:
I think u're right. U've covered most if not all of the bases on our segments. My take on this is even when u give the baby bonus & extended maternity leave, for the lower income, its doesn't really much of a difference. And for the higher income, taxes & money are not the issue. So while the intentions may be good, i think the benefits may not click.
I think today,before anyone has a family, 1st thing they'll ask is, Can i afford it? Next, will i hv time for my kids? Sure u can take 2 -3 jobs, bt pretty soon the child is gonna call another person daddy or mommy, & as it is, our divorce rate sare on the rise.
I feel a more long term solutuon to this wld be, Entreprenership. Natrually, the devil is in the details,,,etc,,, currently all the schemes they hv under Spring, Seeds, etc...does not really cater for the mom & pop business. So if there're really serious abt this, they shld make credit more easily accessible for the Sporeans to be self-reliant, & hv more time for their families after the initial start-up period.
And what business can run themselves? In modern economies, having time for families is a luxury.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
And what business can run themselves? In modern economies, having time for families is a luxury.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person on earth.