HK Condo(3 rm flat size)sold S$1 mil.Dumping grd,steel mills
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What kind of moron compares a bicycle with a Porsche?
It's lionnoisy, he thinks that F-18s can take off from ships meant for helicopters and that we should crash a $250,000 UAV to acomplish what a $25 grenade can do.
So it's no surprise he comes up with something like that.
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Also
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And also lionnoisy, what's the market rate for clones ah? How come until now you still so tiam tiam so quiet?
What happen
YOU DON'T DARE TO ANSWER?
MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?
A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY
a lion puppet
For those who wondered what happened.
Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.
Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.
This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.
A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]
In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]
The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.
To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.
When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.
The reader turned out to be right. ...
After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.
This is what happened:
29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "
Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:
Originally posted by makepeace:
Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King
bans TV drama serices & interviews
glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent
jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.
U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will
ban TV programmes .Right?
U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters
are so hot there.Right?
u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?
1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly
Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html
2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview
Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008
Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,
the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis
and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran
respectively,were interviewed.
Its damn interesting that this news was under
Entertainment section!!
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King
in www.yahoo.com.au
6.Questions
A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial
is still on?
B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?
C.Am i look like anti--Oz?
D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.
i dunt expect the there are so many details about
Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?
Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.
Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.
But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
I cant believe there are so many killings
in the above links !!!
More excited than Holloywood movies!!
Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.
Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.
But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Why did u check IP and English of forumers?
i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!
It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!
Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.
Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?
Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my
pigeon hole?
I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,
PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct
and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after
i click submit.How safe in this forum??
I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to
catch the criminal,
Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!
Another paethetic, and desperate reply from him when he was cornered:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
oh it is good.Then can help me saving time to see counsellors How to get rid of computers addicts!!bye
Those who want to see what happened can go here:
http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326
And some screencaps, so the evidence is preserved:
"mysterous" makepeace appears:
and of course his own excited and poorly acted "reply" to his own clone.
and his own desperate and feeble attempts to wriggle out of the situtation:
LOL, what a joker!
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Originally posted by novelltie:
but sorry friend, i do contribute significantly to Singapore... this i may have to contest you with; you do not know what i've did and am doing for the people of Singapore. i have no interest to elaborate or disclose either. i accept that Singapore isn't the best of countries to live in. i accept that we are not the best however, i am doing my part in trying to get things change in my own little way because i've accepted criticism and i want to make a difference.
Ok, I give respect to people who accept their mistakes. So yes, I have some respect for you now.
The jab from me on the above is not to make you disclose anything. It's to make you think.
Do not keep accepting the positive points of Singapore only, such as the Threadstarter here. People like him contribute nothing, just stepping on other countries to make our nation look good. But does it truly help us? NO.
That's my issue with our govt. LKY has been stepping on other countries' foot (by comparing us against them) just to justify why they are needed to be paid so much. But have they truly reflect on whether purely just economic progression = a good life for the citizens?
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Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
It's lionnoisy, he thinks that F-18s can take off from ships meant for helicopters and that we should crash a $250,000 UAV to acomplish what a $25 grenade can do.
So it's no surprise he comes up with something like that.
Hi ST
thanks for updating me on this sockpuppet thingy this jackass is doing. Been out of the forums for a while due to work overseas
What tends to make me wonder about this jackass is his seemingly obsessive hatred for Australia, that he continues even to this day to post rubbish (NOTE: Fish, cut and paste one-sided information and then declaring his stand is right is total bullcrap to me)
He doesn't stop, no one treats him seriously, and yet he continues to this day.
His English is poor, his arguments are far below the acceptable levels of the average person, I really wonder what sort of 'trauma' he has gone through to reach such depths
And now, sockpuppeting... sigh...
Anyway, my sense is that this guy tried to apply to run to Australia, failed miserably, and now kinda like having sour grapes, continuously trying to demean Australia.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Hi ST
thanks for updating me on this sockpuppet thingy this jackass is doing. Been out of the forums for a while due to work overseas
What tends to make me wonder about this jackass is his seemingly obsessive hatred for Australia, that he continues even to this day to post rubbish (NOTE: Fish, cut and paste one-sided information and then declaring his stand is right is total bullcrap to me)
He doesn't stop, no one treats him seriously, and yet he continues to this day.
His English is poor, his arguments are far below the acceptable levels of the average person, I really wonder what sort of 'trauma' he has gone through to reach such depths
And now, sockpuppeting... sigh...
Anyway, my sense is that this guy tried to apply to run to Australia, failed miserably, and now kinda like having sour grapes, continuously trying to demean Australia.
please hor, my lion is not an ass or jack, he is a lion, once an icon of MGM.There are lots of people in here that failed miserably in life, and here is the only place for them to release and let go their stress and misery, so please be kind enuf to let my lion be what he is, otherwise you may find a lion dead on tomollo newspaper frontpage.
So guys, bull off ya
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Jackasses like this person will always be selective about comparisons. This is called deluding others and deluding oneself. Jackasses like this person will only pick things that make Singapore look good, and try to convince others of his argument.
With < $1m, you can buy a landed property in the UK, US, Australia or any part of the world. With < $1m, you can buy an apartment in an Australian CBD area. With $1.5m, you can buy a Four Seasons Apartment in the prime district in Toronto, Canada.
If you want to compare, you should look across several countries.
With $1.5m, you can buy a Four Seasons Apartment in the prime district in Toronto, Canada.
you sure?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
With $1.5m, you can buy a Four Seasons Apartment in the prime district in Toronto, Canada.
you sure?
true, and with S$200,000 u can drive a sporty jaguar in oZ already.Land Space is the key ya.
Just like JB, just across the link only with $1.5, you can buy nearly 7 semi detach house,..freehold too.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
In summary,HK property price is much higher than SG,
making the higher salary in HK,if any,meaningless.
Yes,i am comparing HK private with SG HDB.
In HK,public resale is also not cheap!!
Another useless and foolish noise that the pussy never fail to make.If noisy pussy is comparing SG public housing HDB flats with HIK private flats, it confirms that Singapore's HDB flat is similarly overpriced when it should have been subsidized as claimed by the Singapore Government.
If the noisy pussy is clear headed enough to state that "higher salary in HK is meaningless, when HK property prices continue to go up" - is the Singapore situation not made worst when Singapore's HDB units have been continuously inflated even as the Singapore Dollar increase in value; and even when Singaporean wages are frozen, and employment contracts are deliberately made into short period of 3 to 5 years renewal terms ?
The noisy pussy should accept reality that it will always remain a pussy, and it is pure fantasy to dream of becoming a lion
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
With $1.5m, you can buy a Four Seasons Apartment in the prime district in Toronto, Canada.
you sure?
Yes.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Yes.
There is only one Four Seasons development in toronto besides Four Seasons Hotel.The Four Seasons development is Toronto, Yorksville, is a 50 over storey project, with the first 40 floors (if I am not wrong) used for hotel, and anything above are residential with 1, 2, and 3 rooms apartment. It is a far cry from the Four Seasons condo in Singapore. and if I am not wrong, the project is only due to complete next year or so.
is there another Four Seasons apartment in DOWNTOWN Toronto?
There are many places in the world that are cheaper than Singapore, but Toronto is a favourate place for europeans, so downtown toronto ain't cheap.
quote something you are sure next time.
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Chee soon juan have told us there are many poor in SG.
I agree.But there are many in HK who are not better than SG poor,
if not worse in housing.
They stay in partition room with poor ventilation and the temp is 34 to 37 degree!!
One unit at 8 th floor without life has been carved into 20 rooms!!
Rental for a room of 40 feet sq is HK $1200 pm or S$260 @ 4.50!!
33.9 degree
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70æ²çš„èšä¼¯ä¸€å®¶ä¸‰å�£ä½�在北河街一個約40å‘Žçš„æ�¿é–“房內，租金約1200å…ƒ
http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090723/4/dcho.html
fff
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
There is only one Four Seasons development in toronto besides Four Seasons Hotel.The Four Seasons development is Toronto, Yorksville, is a 50 over storey project, with the first 40 floors (if I am not wrong) used for hotel, and anything above are residential with 1, 2, and 3 rooms apartment. It is a far cry from the Four Seasons condo in Singapore. and if I am not wrong, the project is only due to complete next year or so.
is there another Four Seasons apartment in DOWNTOWN Toronto?
There are many places in the world that are cheaper than Singapore, but Toronto is a favourate place for europeans, so downtown toronto ain't cheap.
quote something you are sure next time.
So? What is the issue? Did I say that its cheap?
Toronto downtown is not cheap but you can get a better condo than if you get one in Singapore with the same amount. And yes, that is the condo, and it was sold a few years back in Singapore. You really don't know is it?
Respond more appropriately next time. Your comments above sure aren't helping this TS at all.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Chee soon juan have told us there are many poor in SG.
I agree.But there are many in HK who are not better than SG poor,
if not worse in housing.
They stay in partition room with poor ventilation and the temp is 34 to 37 degree!!
One unit at 8 th floor without life has been carved into 20 rooms!!
Rental for a room of 40 feet sq is HK $1200 pm or S$260 @ 4.50!!
33.9 degree
70æ²çš„èšä¼¯ä¸€å®¶ä¸‰å�£ä½�在北河街一個約40å‘Žçš„æ�¿é–“房內，租金約1200å…ƒ
http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090723/4/dcho.html
fff
This is another classic display in idiocy by the resident noisy pussy.Can the ONE-Room HDB Flat in Singapore provide any better ventilation than the same type of 1-Room Unit found in Hong Kong ?
With the architectural layout of the Singapore One-Room HDB flat requiring windows only on one side of the unit, and the doors facing a common corridor that run in the center of the block - can there be any cross-ventilation that makes the Singapore unit better than Hong Kong's ?
Is the noisy pussy comparing like for like - when the pussy deride the 40 square feet as the standard Hong Kong 1-Room Unit ?
This 40 square feet room will measure 8 feet x 5 feet that some Singapore landlord will illegally sub-divide a terrace house for rent.
Can the Hong Kong 1-Room unit - without toilet or kitchen - be comparable to the larger 1-Room HDB unit that is built in Singapore ?
Is the indoor temperature of 37 degrees Celcius so unusual in Hong Kong during summer that last for at least three months ?
What about Singapore when the hottest months can see outdoor temperatures rising to at least 35 degrees ?
Did anyone bother to listen to the complaints about the high temperatures of those living in the 1-Room HDB flat - who cannot even afford to operate an electric fan ?
Should Singaporeans then envy the HongKongers when they experience cooler months for the better part of 70 percent all the year that last from autumn, winter and spring ?
Is it not surprising that in a First World Country such as Singapore, there should be so many Singaporeans having to live in 1 and 2-Room flats ?
"There are 42,800 rental flats in Singapore, of which 19,700 are 1-Room and 23,100 2-Roomers. They range is size from 280 to 484 square feet each, with a monthly rent of $26 to $205 for 1-Room unit, and $44 to $275 for 2-Roomers."
Should Singaporeans be surprised that "Demand for rental flats far outstrips supply today. While 300 applicants join the queue each month, only about 150 people return flats in the same period. As of February this year, the average waiting time for a one-room flat was 19.5 months, almost five months longer than in December 2007. The wait for a two-room flat was 15 months, five months more than in 2007." (This is an abstract from a report that is dated 20 June 2009).
"To meet the growing demand, the government converted vacant three- and four-room flats in Woodlands and Boon Lay to one- and two-roomers last year. The HDB says the total number of rental flats will increase to 49,860 by the end of 2011. The next batch of 290 converted units in Redhill should also be ready by the end of this year. New HDB rental flats are also being built in Yishun, Sembawang and Choa Chu Kang. This will increase the stock of rental flats to 50,000 units by 2012, a 17 per cent increase from the 42,800 units now."
It seems that despite the supposed attaintment of becoming a First World Nation, there is an increasing number of Singaporeans falling into hardship and have to give up their homes, and to resort to rental.
Those who cannot afford to keep up to the rentals will be subjected to harsh eviction notices that arrive in pink.
Should we be surprised that after 44 years of independence, prosperity continue to be elusive amongst Singaporeans ?
While Singaporeans have been brain-washed to accept the idea that there is no iron rice bowl, that short-term employment contracts with low wages is a necessity, the elite leadership will insist on being paid their glorious wages for their supposed talents in leading Singapore forward.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
So? What is the issue? Did I say that its cheap?
Toronto downtown is not cheap but you can get a better condo than if you get one in Singapore with the same amount. And yes, that is the condo, and it was sold a few years back in Singapore. You really don't know is it?
Respond more appropriately next time. Your comments above sure aren't helping this TS at all.
no issue, just refer to your statement:
With $1.5m, you can buy a Four Seasons Apartment in the prime district in Toronto, Canada.
from a Four Seasons apartment to a condos, what are you talking about?
Many years back I can buy a condo in Singapore much cheaper than what it is right now.This I know and I am very sure. I don't know how to compare with an apartement in canada that doesn't exist.
I really don't know what you are talking about, do you?
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dear sgdiehard
you are an ass, aren't you?
In USA, Apartments also have swimming pools and gyms, much like what condos here have.
If you want to nitpick on such small little things, I think you are really just another person who doesn't want to understand things.
Then in which case, grow up, will you?
And please, mind your spelling, will you? Your spelling disgraces us Singaporeans
A brief extracted from wikipedia
"apartment is more generic and may also include luxury condominiums"
Gosh, I am educating you on English as well... sigh...
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
dear sgdiehard
you are an ass, aren't you?
In USA, Apartments also have swimming pools and gyms, much like what condos here have.
If you want to nitpick on such small little things, I think you are really just another person who doesn't want to understand things.
Then in which case, grow up, will you?
And please, mind your spelling, will you? Your spelling disgraces us Singaporeans
A brief extracted from wikipedia
"apartment is more generic and may also include luxury condominiums"
Gosh, I am educating you on English as well... sigh...
started name calling, don't know you can generate like that. and what's wrong with my spelling?
The question remains, is there a Four Seasons Apartment in the prime district in Toronto, Canada where you can buy with 1.5M?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
started name calling, don't know you can generate like that. and what's wrong with my spelling?
The question remains, is there a Four Seasons Apartment in the prime district in Toronto, Canada where you can buy with 1.5M?
Check ur spelling on "Apartement" please. Its horribly standing out in one of your posts.
Don't know why you keep asking the same question. I just answer you with a simple answer again. "Yes"
Let me test your understanding then. Do you understand what is prime district?
And I am not name calling you. You really are an ass.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Check ur spelling on "Apartement" please. Its horribly standing out in one of your posts.
Don't know why you keep asking the same question. I just answer you with a simple answer again. "Yes"
Let me test your understanding then. Do you understand what is prime district?
And I am not name calling you. You really are an ass.
"Check ur spelling on "Apartement" please." so does short form of 'your' spells ur or yr? talk about spelling, hahaha
in Singapore prime district is 9, 10,11 for residential, tell me which district is prime district in toronto Canada?
next time check your facts or just use very general and non specific info, then you won't invite question.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
"Check ur spelling on "Apartement" please." so does short form of 'your' spells ur or yr? talk about spelling, hahaha
in Singapore prime district is 9, 10,11 for residential, tell me which district is prime district in toronto Canada?
next time check your facts or just use very general and non specific info, then you won't invite question.
if you don't know about sms short-form, I can't help you. Definitely, Apartement is wrong. You must be an age-old ass hahaha
You tell us which is prime for toronto. You are the one who attempted to question me, so therefore it is appropriate you answer it about toronto. If you don't know, then it is pointless to continue with this discussion.
If you want to discuss properly, I think you should first put forth your arguments. Instead, you choose to indulge in one-liner questions and cynical responses.
Therefore, you are nothing but an ass.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
if you don't know about sms short-form, I can't help you. Definitely, Apartement is wrong. You must be an age-old ass hahaha
You tell us which is prime for toronto. You are the one who attempted to question me, so therefore it is appropriate you answer it about toronto. If you don't know, then it is pointless to continue with this discussion.
If you want to discuss properly, I think you should first put forth your arguments. Instead, you choose to indulge in one-liner questions and cynical responses.
Therefore, you are nothing but an ass.
Just asking if you have any info to substantiate what you say? about the 1.5m FourSeason Apartment in DownTown Toronto Canada.
I am not even entering any discussion with you.
I also won't engage in any names calling exchanges with you. I won't go so low.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Just asking if you have any info to substantiate what you say? about the 1.5m FourSeason Apartment in DownTown Toronto Canada.
I am not even entering any discussion with you.
I also won't engage in any names calling exchanges with you. I won't go so low.
There is nothing to discuss since you do not wish to enter a discussion. In that case, why would you even care about what I say is true or not?
All you care about is throwing one-liners and attempting to debunk what I say, without the necessary knowledge. If you have not gone to view the apartments when they were on sale here, then you don't have the necessary knowledge.
Go so low? I wonder who is going so low? A person who is sharing information, or a person who throws one-liners at others and does not make any contributing comment, and then attempting to look upright now?
Talk about hypocripsy.
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I stand true to what I quoted with regards to pricing of apartments in other countries. Basically, only people who are myopic, or who are ignorant and do not know of other markets, truly will believe the bullshit that this threadstarter has raised
SGD1m can only get you a place near to the dumps in Hong Kong? Only a stupid ass will pay SGD1m to stay near the dumps and become a negative exception for the papers to write.
If people in this thread choose to believe in such bullshit, sorry, no one can help you.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I stand true to what I quoted with regards to pricing of apartments in other countries. Basically, only people who are myopic, or who are ignorant and do not know of other markets, truly will believe the bullshit that this threadstarter has raised
SGD1m can only get you a place near to the dumps in Hong Kong? Only a stupid ass will pay SGD1m to stay near the dumps and become a negative exception for the papers to write.
If people in this thread choose to believe in such bullshit, sorry, no one can help you.
If you can't substantiate what you said, there is credibility to what you say. If you stand true to something you cannot substantiate, I have nothing to say.
no further comment.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I stand true to what I quoted with regards to pricing of apartments in other countries. Basically, only people who are myopic, or who are ignorant and do not know of other markets, truly will believe the bullshit that this threadstarter has raised
SGD1m can only get you a place near to the dumps in Hong Kong? Only a stupid ass will pay SGD1m to stay near the dumps and become a negative exception for the papers to write.
If people in this thread choose to believe in such bullshit, sorry, no one can help you.
Just for your information, in Toronto, there is a Four Seasons Hotel, a Four Seasons Center ( a theater or something for art) and a Four Seasons project, which comprises a hotel, shopping center, and some apartments, mainly 2 rooms type, in Yorksville.
There is no Four Seasons apartment in down town toronto where you can buy an equivalent of the Four Seasons apartment in Singapore. Of couse, you can pay 1.5m to buy a 2 bedroom apartment there, if you wish and have the money....hahaha...
