Originally posted by zenden9:I am against the word generalising... U seems to make a hill out of a mole.
How can u ensure there is no cases of money grabber wife in a divorce case?
How is good men protected against evil scheming wife in a divorce case?
I am not generalising.
Unless u tell me all divorce are men's fault and there is absolutely no money grabber wife in a divorce case.
Just becos majority faults lies in men doesn't meant u can sacriface the 15% minority of men who suffers, right?
And I don't know why u used an example in Korea as yr excuse?
>.> those examples are there to show that there is a need for the charter not as an excuse... the government would have considered lessons learnt from the world before creating such a law and most probably they extract it from British laws.
besides I did not say anything about sacrificing the minority good men who suffers. I said it has to be practical to the culture in SG today... which part of that u dont understand?
why not just wait for Novelltie to consult his lawyer on these issues..?
Originally posted by novelltie:if she have an affair and i file for divorce... don't expect me to pay for anything except maybe for the child... ask that "third party" to pay for the rest... i don't give a sh*t... she can f**k off.
Yah lah. But for a man to not have to pay alimony due to the wife having extra marital affair. The man has to admit to court that the wife cuckold him leh.
Will a man admit to a court that his wife gave him the green hat ?
How can a judge rule against alimony to the wife if the divorce paper is not filed under "wife adultery" ?
Are you expecting the adulterous party to file a divorce under adultery ? Who will do tat ?
Originally posted by novelltie:
I am against the word generalising... U seems to make a hill out of a mole.
How can u ensure there is no cases of money grabber wife in a divorce case?
Of course there are cases when women are indeed "money grabber" in a divorce case, that's why lawyers are "required" to fight in court. If all cases are dealt with the same judgement then no need lawyers liao... then again, if you married a "money grabber" then frankly, too bad. what can you do? this is life, this is fate.How is good men protected against evil scheming wife in a divorce case?
There is no 100% foolproof protection against evil scheming wife, evil scheming boss, evil scheming private school principal that give fake degress, evil scheming ex NKF boss and not so evil, not so scheming monk... that's why back to same answer, get a good lawyer.I am not generalising.
Unless u tell me all divorce are men's fault and there is absolutely no money grabber wife in a divorce case.
how can i lie to you about this? of course have evil money grabber lah...
Just becos majority faults lies in men doesn't meant u can sacriface the 15% minority of men who suffers, right?
there is no 100% justice in this world either.
And I don't know why u used an example in Korea as yr excuse?
good question
Asking Foolproof law?
Asking 100% justice?
If I put it in this way. There is no way to make it 0% percent crime free world. So we shall stop wasting tax payer money on police force.
Is that what u try to mean in injustice divorce cases happening on men?
So if women marry the wrong men, it's yr fate. U deserve it. Am I right?
Originally posted by zenden9:
Asking Foolproof law?
Asking 100% justice?
If I put it in this way. There is no way to make it 0% percent crime free world. So we shall stop wasting tax payer money on police force.
Is that what u try to mean in injustice divorce cases happening on men?
So if women marry the wrong men, it's yr fate. U deserve it. Am I right?
then you need to ask hor.. why need to get married leh ?
Is because our law says ah.. must get married then can qualify HDB mah.
I think it's this stupid requirement to "legalise" a union that needs to be abolish lah.
Yah lah. But for a man to not have to pay alimony due to the wife having extra marital affair. The man has to admit to court that the wife cuckold him leh.
i would admit... i don't think it's very "shameful" at this age and time to admit your wife is having an affair... put it this way, i will go through this ordeal so i won't have anything more to do with her... you expect me to give her $2,000 monthly after she betray me? wait long long. admitting it to the judge is easy.
Will a man admit to a court that his wife gave him the green hat ?
i will and if the other man is in court, i'll point him out.
How can a judge rule against alimony to the wife if the divorce paper is not filed under "wife adultery" ?
i will file it under "wife's adultery".
Are you expecting the adulterous party to file a divorce under adultery ? Who will do tat ?
she don't file, i file lor... indirectly; i'll shame her whole family too... not bad eh? i'll even ask her mother, "what kind of morals did you instill in your kids?"
Originally posted by novelltie:Yah lah. But for a man to not have to pay alimony due to the wife having extra marital affair. The man has to admit to court that the wife cuckold him leh.
i would admit... i don't think it's very "shameful" at this age and time to admit your wife is having an affair... put it this way, i will go through this ordeal so i won't have anything more to do with her... you expect me to give her $2,000 monthly after she betray me? wait long long. admitting it to the judge is easy.
Will a man admit to a court that his wife gave him the green hat ?
i will and if the other man is in court, i'll point him out.
How can a judge rule against alimony to the wife if the divorce paper is not filed under "wife adultery" ?
i will file it under "wife's adultery".
Are you expecting the adulterous party to file a divorce under adultery ? Who will do tat ?
she don't file, i file lor... indirectly; i'll shame her whole family too... not bad eh? i'll even ask her mother, "what kind of morals did you instill in your kids?"
you ish one in a million.
Originally posted by jojobeach:you ish one in a million.
count me in out of the million.
Make it 2 of a million. :)
Asking Foolproof law?
Asking 100% justice?
If I put it in this way. There is no way to make it 0% percent crime free world. So we shall stop wasting tax payer money on police force.
you want to be so "extreme", i also can't stop you. you don't want to be reasonable then what you want me to say? you say police force useless then useless lah... you don't want to pay tax then don't pay lah... who am i to stop you?
next time you meet robbers or thief or you witness a crime, don't call 999. you go settle it like Bruce Lee cos' Police is useless what. you said it, i didn't.
Is that what u try to mean in injustice divorce cases happening on men?
i'm not preaching about Fate and Destiny but if you are that "unlucky" to experience it then there are 2 options.
1) refuse to bow down to your fate and challenge it; get a lawyer and fight it out. if fail, try again, never give up!
2) accept that this is your life and get over it.
So if women marry the wrong men, it's yr fate. U deserve it. Am I right?
if you married the wrong man; there are also 2 options:
1) Divorce him and move along
2) Stick along and who knows? life might get better?
Originally posted by zenden9:
count me in out of the million.Make it 2 of a million. :)
brother! now you are talking!
what's so difficult to tell judge that wife betray you? then i'll yell and cry for all to see what immoral this woman be... i'll shame her in newspaper, tv or even the internet. post her pics around and announce to the world that this woman and the third party are worthless piece of sh*t... traitors and liars.
if possible, why not destroy their careers too. some job requires the employees to be "clean" and free from scandal... write to their bosses and let the whole world know... it's wrong for them to cross my path...
Originally posted by novelltie:Asking Foolproof law?
Asking 100% justice?
If I put it in this way. There is no way to make it 0% percent crime free world. So we shall stop wasting tax payer money on police force.
you want to be so "extreme", i also can't stop you. you don't want to be reasonable then what you want me to say? you say police force useless then useless lah... you don't want to pay tax then don't pay lah... who am i to stop you?
next time you meet robbers or thief or you witness a crime, don't call 999. you go settle it like Bruce Lee cos' Police is useless what. you said it, i didn't.
Is that what u try to mean in injustice divorce cases happening on men?
i'm not preaching about Fate and Destiny but if you are that "unlucky" to experience it then there are 2 options.
1) refuse to bow down to your fate and challenge it; get a lawyer and fight it out. if fail, try again, never give up!
2) accept that this is your life and get over it.
So if women marry the wrong men, it's yr fate. U deserve it. Am I right?
if you married the wrong man; there are also 2 options:1) Divorce him and move along
2) Stick along and who knows? life might get better?
U haven't answer my question....
Nobody ask for foolproof/100% justice law in divorce case but we are looking for improvement in a law. To make it a more suitable and updated procedure in reviewing divorce. Is present women's charter outdated and shall it be review?
It is u who put in my mouth looking for 100% justice law in divorce case.
Just like I asking u for 100% crime free world....
Originally posted by novelltie:
brother! now you are talking!what's so difficult to tell judge that wife betray you? then i'll yell and cry for all to see what immoral this woman be... i'll shame her in newspaper, tv or even the internet. post her pics around and announce to the world that this woman and the third party are worthless piece of sh*t... traitors and liars.
if possible, why not destroy their careers too. some job requires the employees to be "clean" and free from scandal... write to their bosses and let the whole world know... it's wrong for them to cross my path...
Jojo is outdated in her thinking... :)
i've always tell my wife...
i allow you to play, i allow you to go nuts, i allow you to buy whatever you wish as long as it's within the budget... i allow you to pinch my nipples and grope my groin in public all in the name of fun. i allow you to do anything you wish as long as it's legal. i allow you not to visit my parents if you don't feel like it (she don't really get along with my parents) i allow you to support Manchester United though i'm an Arsenal fan... i have a big ego but for you, i'll suppress it. i'll be humble to listen to your advices though i hate to admit it, i'm smarter than you...
all i ask in return is your undying loyalty and love. if in the event i found that you are unfaithful, don't expect me to be nice to you.
Originally posted by zenden9:
U haven't answer my question....Nobody ask for foolproof/100% justice law in divorce case but we are looking for improvement in a law. To make it a more suitable and updated procedure in reviewing divorce. Is present women's charter outdated and shall it be review?
It is u who put in my mouth looking for 100% justice law in divorce case.
Just like I asking u for 100% crime free world....
i do agree that the Women's Charter has to be reviewed frequently to suit today's situation. it must be updated accordingly but was it done so?
can we appeal for it to be reviewed?
Originally posted by novelltie:
brother! now you are talking!what's so difficult to tell judge that wife betray you? then i'll yell and cry for all to see what immoral this woman be... i'll shame her in newspaper, tv or even the internet. post her pics around and announce to the world that this woman and the third party are worthless piece of sh*t... traitors and liars.
if possible, why not destroy their careers too. some job requires the employees to be "clean" and free from scandal... write to their bosses and let the whole world know... it's wrong for them to cross my path...
Alamak.. women for decades have used this tactic to prevent their men from straying.
But it doesn't seem to work lah.
Adulterers are not afraid of doing shameless things.
You ish making yourself a laughing stock only lah.
If got no children.. sure lah . you go make big hoo haaah..
But when you have children.. and you go make a big scene.. your children will be victimised by your own action. You sure you want that to happen ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Alamak.. women for decades have used this tactic to prevent their men from straying.
But it doesn't seem to work lah.
Adulterers are not afraid of doing shameless things.
You ish making yourself a laughing stock only lah.
If got no children.. sure lah . you go make big hoo haaah..
But when you have children.. and you go make a big scene.. your children will be victimised by your own action. You sure you want that to happen ?
I believe if I am paying for such women sin. I will be the real laughing stock.
jojo, u sounds like a stubborn woman.
I challenge u to make a poll regarding this issue. See who is the real laughing stock?
Let see how many guys choose our decision or yrs ?
Originally posted by zenden9:
I believe if I am paying for such women sin. I will be the real laughing stock.jojo, u sounds like a stubborn woman.
I challenge u to make a poll regarding this issue. See who is the real laughing stock?
Let see how many guys choose our decision or yrs ?
You think I stubborn because I don't agree with you ? You must be kidding to expect a female to agree with your male propaganda.
Why don you go ask how many gals will choose your decision over mine ?
You got a mother correct ? You go ask her lor.
For her own interest she will want your father to pay.
For you the son's interest.. she will want your wife to pay.
Now where is the middle ground ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:You think I stubborn because I don't agree with you ? You must be kidding to expect a female to agree with your male propaganda.
Why don you go ask how many gals will choose your decision over mine ?
You got a mother correct ? You go ask her lor.
For her own interest she will want your father to pay.
For you the son's interest.. she will want your wife to pay.
Now where is the middle ground ?
Why don't u go ask yr daddy first? U got a father right?
This is regarding whether a guy will feel shameful for a admiting a wife wrongdoing and divorce her. Ask women for what?
It is proven in this age. Nobody will laugh at the guy who divorce the wife for adultery. It is the wife who shall be ashame of her wrong doing. The children will be educated its her/his mother fault to go out and fool with other guy.
Maybe in some places like India or backward country. But definitely not in sg, hongkong or taiwan...
I challenge for poll. U scared heh???
Originally posted by novelltie:yup, totally agree... distribute accordingly...
put it this way, if i have an affair and my wife files for divorce... i'll give her whatever she wants cos' i screw up the marriage... it's my fault and i deserve all crap...
if she have an affair and i file for divorce... don't expect me to pay for anything except maybe for the child... ask that "third party" to pay for the rest... i don't give a sh*t... she can f**k off.
a friend of one of my ex colleagues got into that situation, he suspected adultery and got a PI to investigate.
turns out there really was an affair, and he divorced his wife and had to pay alimony. he tried to fight against that and questioned the judge's judgment and stated that all fault is with his wife and he even have evidence to proof his wife was caught red handed in an affair.
but the judge's response was, although he fully agree with the guy's evidence he caught his wife red handed, logically speaking doing so would be like punishing the guy for the wife's affair. someone still have to pay for his wife living expenses until she finds a job.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:a friend of one of my ex colleagues got into that situation, he suspected adultery and got a PI to investigate.
turns out there really was an affair, and he divorced his wife and had to pay alimony. he tried to fight against that and questioned the judge's judgment and stated that all fault is with his wife and he even have evidence to proof his wife was caught red handed in an affair.
but the judge's response was, although he fully agree with the guy's evidence he caught his wife red handed, logically speaking doing so would be like punishing the guy for the wife's affair. someone still have to pay for his wife living expenses until she finds a job.
See....! There are many fine classic example of such cases. It is not untrue groundless accusation of my stand regarding women's charter...
Originally posted by zenden9:Why don't u go ask yr daddy first? U got a father right?
This is regarding whether a guy will feel shameful for a admiting a wife wrongdoing and divorce her. Ask women for what?
It is proven in this age. Nobody will laugh at the guy who divorce the wife for adultery. It is the wife who shall be ashame of her wrong doing. The children will be educated its her/his mother fault to go out and fool with other guy.
Maybe in some places like India or backward country. But definitely not in sg, hongkong or taiwan...
I challenge for poll. U scared heh???
Ofcors nobody will laugh at the guy for divorcing his wife due to her unfaithfulness lah.
My father never say woman's charter is unfair what. Infact he don't mind me marrying
Sg men because he knows I will have some protection under laws.
You set up your poll lor. Ask the men here , who will admit to court and file a divorce under "wifey adultery" ? I also want to know lah.
Originally posted by jojobeach:You think I stubborn because I don't agree with you ? You must be kidding to expect a female to agree with your male propaganda.
Why don you go ask how many gals will choose your decision over mine ?
You got a mother correct ? You go ask her lor.
For her own interest she will want your father to pay.
For you the son's interest.. she will want your wife to pay.
Now where is the middle ground ?
my friend recently asked her mother to divorce her father because she found out her dad was seeing another woman outside. she was fiddling through her dad's handphone when she stumbled upon some "disturbing" messages.
my lawyer friend just got divorced because the wife was seeing another man. he was not asked to pay a single cent for alimony. it was simple and fast; all assets divided by 2 and it was done very quickly. forgot to mention; the wife's also a lawyer.
what i'm putting here is an example is divorce is a very common topic among the younger generation. it is no longer a shameful event if either party commits adultery but rather a sad event. there isn't a "big difference" if it's the woman or man.
if my guy friend comes to me and say, "bro, my wife is seeing another man" i won't go and say how incompetent he is to hold his marriage. i'll say "b*tch! divorce her... call my lawyer and he will do the arrangements".
Originally posted by jojobeach:Ofcors nobody will laugh at the guy for divorcing his wife due to her unfaithfulness lah.
My father never say woman's charter is unfair what. Infact he don't mind me marrying
Sg men because he knows I will have some protection under laws.
You set up your poll lor. Ask the men here , who will admit to court and file a divorce under "wifey adultery" ? I also want to know lah.
Nobody ask for poll of guys to admit to their wife got adultery.
I ask for poll of what action will they take in such situation. Or maybe u try to act blur to divert away from my quesion?
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:a friend of one of my ex colleagues got into that situation, he suspected adultery and got a PI to investigate.
turns out there really was an affair, and he divorced his wife and had to pay alimony. he tried to fight against that and questioned the judge's judgment and stated that all fault is with his wife and he even have evidence to proof his wife was caught red handed in an affair.
but the judge's response was, although he fully agree with the guy's evidence he caught his wife red handed, logically speaking doing so would be like punishing the guy for the wife's affair. someone still have to pay for his wife living expenses until she finds a job.
until she finds a job? hmm... sounds reasonable... i'm okay for that; i'm not heartless but let's give a timeline... you can't expect me to pay for 12 years until she finds a job? i will say maximum 6 months...
that's why i agree with Zenden that the Women's Charter has to be reviewed and updated accordingly.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:a friend of one of my ex colleagues got into that situation, he suspected adultery and got a PI to investigate.
turns out there really was an affair, and he divorced his wife and had to pay alimony. he tried to fight against that and questioned the judge's judgment and stated that all fault is with his wife and he even have evidence to proof his wife was caught red handed in an affair.
but the judge's response was, although he fully agree with the guy's evidence he caught his wife red handed, logically speaking doing so would be like punishing the guy for the wife's affair. someone still have to pay for his wife living expenses until she finds a job.
Then marry a wife who is financially capable lah.
SG men wants to marry those socially and economically disadvantaged foreign brides who are not capable of supporting themselves.
Then they kao peh about women's charter protecting the dependent wife.
I mean seriously.. you can't have your cake and eat it too you know !!!
Originally posted by zenden9:
Nobody ask for poll of guys to admit to their wife got adultery.I ask for poll of what action will they take in such situation. Or maybe u try to act blur to divert away from my quesion?
Then go ahead and put up the poll lor.