Originally posted by zenden9:So PAP don't care abt Sg men's vote? I wonder is LHL or LKY are wearing skirt?
LHL and LKY not wearing skirt.
But they are men, and they know what men like to do lah.
Men like to sow their wild oats.
The woman's charter also serves as a deterrent to frivolous oat sowings.
Originally posted by jojobeach:So easy to cheat meh ? Which guy so easy to cheat ?
Women can spend up a gold mine only if you allow her to. Where got men so stupid one leh ?
if you only earn $X,000 amount every month and your wife is spending more than what you earn... bring her to a psychiatrist
Originally posted by novelltie:
frankly, think about it... the opposition goes around campaigning to the masses, "if you vote for me, i will abolish the Women's Charter!"
how many women will vote for the opposition?
No body wants to abolish Women's charter. We want amendment only.
Don't u agree, men's need some form of protection in marriage too?
Don't tell me 100% of the divorce case are men's fault and 100% no wife money grabber in divorce case?
Originally posted by novelltie:if you only earn $X,000 amount every month and your wife is spending more than what you earn... bring her to a psychiatrist
Bring her to psychiatrist ? LOL. Divorce her and cut your losses lor !!!
Originally posted by jojobeach:LHL and LKY not wearing skirt.
But they are men, and they know what men like to do lah.
Men like to sow their wild oats.
The woman's charter also serves as a deterrent to frivolous oat sowings.
i like your answer... so men will think twice before committing adultery
Originally posted by jojobeach:LHL and LKY not wearing skirt.
But they are men, and they know what men like to do lah.
Men like to sow their wild oats.
The woman's charter also serves as a deterrent to frivolous oat sowings.
So u are telling me Sg women and wife are saint and makes no mistake in a divorce?
All fault lies in Sg men in divorce???
Originally posted by zenden9:
No body wants to abolish Women's charter. We want amendment only.Don't u agree, men's need some form of protection in marriage too?
Don't tell me 100% of the divorce case are men's fault and 100% no wife money grabber in divorce case?
LOL.. ofcors men needs protection. But protection from what ?
The court cannot award what you do not have.
You earn $2000, he cannot ask you to pay $5000 to your wife.
Originally posted by novelltie:i like your answer... so men will think twice before committing adultery
This will make women easier to commit adultery.
Don't u agree?
if i'm not wrong... if a woman commits adultery and the man finds out... he files for divorce... he don't have to pay a single cent in terms of alimony... and i think he usually wins the custody of the child.
Originally posted by zenden9:
So u are telling me Sg women and wife are saint and makes no mistake in a divorce?All fault lies in Sg men in divorce???
It is not up to the woman to take what she wants.
The family court will look at the contributions of each party and decide a fair deal lah.
Originally posted by novelltie:if i'm not wrong... if a woman commits adultery and the man finds out... he files for divorce... he don't have to pay a single cent in terms of alimony... and i think he usually wins the custody of the child.
U are wrong. There are cases of women commited adultery and husband still needs to fork out compensation in divorce.
That is why there is such uproar over the women's charter.
Originally posted by zenden9:
This will make women easier to commit adultery.Don't u agree?
Only when there are enough xiao bai lian in Singapore lor !
Originally posted by zenden9:
U are wrong. There are cases of women commited adultery and husband still needs to fork out compensation in divorce.That is why there is such uproar over the women's charter.
as you said, there are cases... not all cases.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Only when there are enough xiao bai lian in Singapore lor !
Still that is not a good reason for such biased law in sg marriage law.
Whoever is wrong, shall bear his/her action. Right?
Originally posted by novelltie:
as you said, there are cases... not all cases.
So why?
While all Sg men adultery in marriage ended up with Sg men making the compensation.
Originally posted by zenden9:
U are wrong. There are cases of women commited adultery and husband still needs to fork out compensation in divorce.That is why there is such uproar over the women's charter.
Compensation as in alimony or asset division or child support ? Must be specific lah.
Most of the time, when women commit adultery, the husband will not file divorce under adultery lah. It's a matter of the man's pride lah. Which man will admit he got cuckold ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Compensation as in alimony or asset division or child support ? Must be specific lah.
Most of the time, when women commit adultery, the husband will not file divorce under adultery lah. It's a matter of the man's pride lah. Which man will admit he got cuckold ?
I agree women who suffer in failed marriage for husband adultery shall receive their deserve share and compensation.
We are not asking for unreasonable things like no money /ailmony given to the divorce wife with childrens needed to taken care,right? Why so defensive?
Originally posted by zenden9:
I agree women who suffer in failed marriage for husband adultery shall receive their deserve share and compensation.We are not asking for unreasonable things like no money /ailmony given to the divorce wife with childrens needed to taken care,right? Why so defensive?
Alamak. This is a discussion forum, no ? Giving another point of view is defensive meh ?
Yah lah.. SG men cannot tahan women who has their own brain lah.
Sg men wants women who only says " Yes dear.. you are absolutely right dear".
Originally posted by zenden9:
So why?While all Sg men adultery in marriage ended up with Sg men making the compensation.
this i'm not very convinced. i do not believe that all men has to make the compensation in the event the wife was caught having adultery.
i shall consult a lawyer tomorrow and i will give you guys an answer on the facts and rumours of divorce in Singapore.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Alamak. This is a discussion forum, no ? Giving another point of view is defensive meh ?
Giving unreasonable point of view is not defensive meh?
Why can't u accept women charter is indeed against towards men?
I don't believe some amendment in women's charter will result in divorce case of husband in fault receiving all the goodies while the victim wife suffer financial loses...
Those women who resist such changes usually are those money grabber. Don't u think so?
the women charter might be unfair but generalising that women are out to cheat their husbands of assets is being narrow minded..
there are both good men and women around. dont throw all e eggs just bcos one in ten goes bad. that's assumption.. assume = making an ass out of me and you..
generally this world is dominated by men in many societies.. thus it is good to have a women charter for their protection. other than those rape cases in some countries which accused the victim instead, women are also exploited in many ways since centuries ago..
examples within this century:
1) women not allowed to study or leave their homes during the early part of the century.. (applies to certain countries nw)
2) women are prohibit from making important decisions in country's leadership or commercial work place (can still be seen in alot of countries)
3) women are made to serve men at home while husbands sit and relax.. eg in s korea a woman in a higher appointment in work enviornment can be made to prepare coffee or clear rubbish for her lower ranking male collegue..
4) more often than not in SG, family abuse has got to do with the men's fault (physically, mentally & psycologically) news reported this before.. the disparity between % / ratio of females being abused to males being abuse is shockingly far.. could be 85% : 15% cant remember..
there are other instances of inequality that we may not be aware of.. whatever it is the charter has to be practical in terms of SG culture today.
Originally posted by EtherealLife:the women charter might be unfair but generalising that women are out to cheat their husbands of assets is being narrow minded..
there are both good men and women around. dont throw all e eggs just bcos one in ten goes bad. that's assumption.. assume = making an ass out of me and you..
generally this world is dominated by men in many societies.. thus it is good to have a women charter for their protection. other than those rape cases in some countries which accused the victim instead, women are also exploited in many ways since centuries ago..
examples within this century:
1) women not allowed to study or leave their homes during the early part of the century.. (applies to certain countries nw)
2) women are prohibit from making important decisions in country's leadership or commercial work place (can still be seen in alot of countries)
3) women are made to serve men at home while husbands sit and relax.. eg in s korea a woman in a higher appointment in work enviornment can be made to prepare coffee or clear rubbish for her lower ranking male collegue..
4) more often than not in SG, family abuse has got to do with the men's fault (physically, mentally & psycologically) news reported this before.. the disparity between % / ratio of females being abused to males being abuse is shockingly far.. could be 85% : 15% cant remember..
there are other instances of inequality that we may not be aware of.. whatever it is the charter has to be practical in terms of SG culture today.
I am against the word generalising... U seems to make a hill out of a mole.
How can u ensure there is no cases of money grabber wife in a divorce case?
How is good men protected against evil scheming wife in a divorce case?
I am not generalising.
Unless u tell me all divorce are men's fault and there is absolutely no money grabber wife in a divorce case.
Just becos majority faults lies in men doesn't meant u can sacriface the 15% minority of men who suffers, right?
And I don't know why u used an example in Korea as yr excuse?
Originally posted by zenden9:
Giving unreasonable point of view is not defensive meh?Why can't u accept women charter is indeed against towards men?
I don't believe some amendment in women's charter will result in divorce case of husband in fault receiving all the goodies while the victim wife suffer financial loses...
Those women who resist such changes usually are those money grabber. Don't u think so?
Money grabber wife ? Frankly, this perception is due to the fact that the court requires the wife to file for claims. That's why men thinks the wife is trying to grab money from him.
The procedure should be amended.
To one where during a divorce, a schedule of assets must be submitted by a public accountant, then it is up to the judge to distribute accordingly.
That way, men cannot accuse women of being "money grabbing".
You agree ?
Originally posted by zenden9:I am against the word generalising... U seems to make a hill out of a mole.
How can u ensure there is no cases of money grabber wife in a divorce case?
Of course there are cases when women are indeed "money grabber" in a divorce case, that's why lawyers are "required" to fight in court. If all cases are dealt with the same judgement then no need lawyers liao... then again, if you married a "money grabber" then frankly, too bad. what can you do? this is life, this is fate.How is good men protected against evil scheming wife in a divorce case?
There is no 100% foolproof protection against evil scheming wife, evil scheming boss, evil scheming private school principal that give fake degress, evil scheming ex NKF boss and not so evil, not so scheming monk... that's why back to same answer, get a good lawyer.I am not generalising.
Unless u tell me all divorce are men's fault and there is absolutely no money grabber wife in a divorce case.
how can i lie to you about this? of course have evil money grabber lah...
Just becos majority faults lies in men doesn't meant u can sacriface the 15% minority of men who suffers, right?
there is no 100% justice in this world either.
And I don't know why u used an example in Korea as yr excuse?
good question
Originally posted by jojobeach:Money grabber wife ? Frankly, this perception is due to the fact that the court requires the wife to file for claims. That's why men thinks the wife is trying to grab money from him.
The procedure should be amended.
To one where during a divorce, a schedule of assets must be submitted by a public accountant, then it is up to the judge to distribute accordingly.
That way, men cannot accuse women of being "money grabbing".
You agree ?
yup, totally agree... distribute accordingly...
put it this way, if i have an affair and my wife files for divorce... i'll give her whatever she wants cos' i screw up the marriage... it's my fault and i deserve all crap...
if she have an affair and i file for divorce... don't expect me to pay for anything except maybe for the child... ask that "third party" to pay for the rest... i don't give a sh*t... she can f**k off.