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Record private home sales: a boom or bomb in the making?

  • True blue singaporean on Fri, 17th Jul 2009 10:56 am 

    Since independence, our hosuing pricing has always go upwards because it contributes into GDP numbers, which in turn translates to higher bounus to ministers besides the millions of taxes it can generates.

  • the Bear

    btw.. just asking... if there were controls, will the same writers KPKB about it too?

     

  • Stevenson101

    Quick question, wouldn't it hurt the people who are currently still paying their housing loans a lot if the prices of HDB dropped?

  • Ah Chia

     

    Subprime mortgage crisis?

    Have to service loan of 900K, but price of house now drop to 600K.

    Arghhh!!!!!

     

  • Stevenson101
    Originally posted by Ah Chia:

     

    Subprime mortgage crisis?


    A little different isn't it?

    The crisis was started when loans were too easily available to people who couldn't even pay their loans. They just took the loan and sit on it for a few months/years and resell it. I don't think HDB is so exposed to this sort of speculation.

    I'm more curious of the effect if the HDB prices were brought down either through market actions or the changing of the government.  Seems to me there isn't much of a choice but to let the price go up.

    You piss off the people who are still paying the loans for the people who wants to buy new ones?

  • zaxis

    deffered payment till T.O.P.

    but still cannot bank loan

    or price already drop!!!!

    most bank require buyer to top-up another 20%

    so buyer has to make decision now, to top-up another 20% or forgo last time down-payment amount 20%

  • duanyuqiao

    .... misjudgement.

    thats why i nv made a purchase for a condo. even till now..

    hdb is a great way of money.. ha..

    now even hdb is going to be more expensive then condo in the years to come icon_lol.gif

  • Ah Chia

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  • angel7030

    Good morning Uncle

  • angel7030

    bomb or boom, why worry, just take the opportunity now, in fact, to be frank, every booming alway end with a big bomb,...so simple, all these writers are writing rocks and stones, who dunno, and those who post it and read it must be the most stupid nerd of all. Remember what goes up must come down ya, same goes to sex, stock market and my perky front etc etc...time to sell my property liao, may retire at 30yo.

     

     

  • Acidshuriken
    Originally posted by the Bear:

    btw.. just asking... if there were controls, will the same writers KPKB about it too?

     

    lol no need to ask. the ans is yes! one day say too much control, one day say need more regulation. our rights as citizens to bitch at anything!

  • Acidshuriken

    those who cannot afford but buy now in hope of flipping, good luck!

  • Ah Chia

    those who cannot afford but buy now in hope of flipping, good luck!

    Prices drop they die.

  • angel7030
    Originally posted by Acidshuriken:

    those who cannot afford but buy now in hope of flipping, good luck!


    now whatever you have, sell!!! sell!!!, even if to live in forest, tents at ECP or bus stop, just sell it!!!, keep the money, later when it goes down, or bombed, then you buy...and with the money and interest earn, WOw! you get a cheap luxury house..yeah. But in the meantime, go homeless.

  • Ah Chia

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  • Lthams

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  • reyes

    property prices surge is probably due to:

    1. surge in stock prices.

    2. optimism of economy recovery

    3. upgraders.

    4. IR completion.

     

    i think the main reason is optimism of economy recovery. possible? i think not. the current stocks prices are running ahead of economy recovery. what happen if economy is W shape recovery.

     

    current sign of recovery is depends on govt stimulus and fed near 0% interest rate. how much more can US govt inject stimulus before they stop. the congress will not approve any more stimulus  to reduce US deficit. if all this boosters are gone, and jobless rate dont recovered, what can propel the US economy forward whose GDP is mainly depends on consumer spending.

     

    can spore recovery before US does? do we like china, india, europe who has a bigger domestic market to rely on?

     

    no pain no gain could be on the thoughts on most property buyers now.

  • 4sg
    Originally posted by reyes:

    property prices surge is probably due to:

    1. surge in stock prices.

    2. optimism of economy recovery

    3. upgraders.

    4. IR completion.

     

    i think the main reason is optimism of economy recovery. possible? i think not. the current stocks prices are running ahead of economy recovery. what happen if economy is W shape recovery.

     

    current sign of recovery is depends on govt stimulus and fed near 0% interest rate. how much more can US govt inject stimulus before they stop. the congress will not approve any more stimulus  to reduce US deficit. if all this boosters are gone, and jobless rate dont recovered, what can propel the US economy forward whose GDP is mainly depends on consumer spending.

     

    can spore recovery before US does? do we like china, india, europe who has a bigger domestic market to rely on?

     

    no pain no gain could be on the thoughts on most property buyers now.


    Or it may well due to a portion of investors who were unscathed by the finanicial crisis, flushed with cash and nowhere to park their cash.

  • reyes

    hi 4sg,

     

    i dont follow events concerning the private housing prices so maybe somebody could contribute who is buying up the houses that push up the prices.

     

    anyway, i hope investors do their own maths before they commit to a condos that could still afford 20years down the road and not just 3 years down the road.

     

  • 4sg
    Originally posted by reyes:

    hi 4sg,

     

    i dont follow events concerning the private housing prices so maybe somebody could contribute who is buying up the houses that push up the prices.

     

    anyway, i hope investors do their own maths before they commit to a condos that could still afford 20years down the road and not just 3 years down the road.

     

    The Singapore's private property market is somewhat unregulated as compared with the public property. Unregulated with regards to speculation. Rightly so, considering that it is a market for the wealthy, bold and daring.  

    There is a book in Popular Bookshop or MPH by this guy called Eric Cheng who made his fortune on the real estate. In one portion, he described how agents and speculators time themselves during the start of a boom market to ''flip" the market, driving price up and profit into their pockets.   

    Isn't it telling that in the the last quarter, there were record high number of property agents entering the market?   

  • reyes

    hi 4sg.

    as u said, this is for the rich and wealthy. i dont think we can say much about it. for those who aspire to upgrade into condos all i can say, do yr own maths lor. if u kena caught for another downswing, or kena retrenched, or banks demanded to pay the balance amount due to falling of property prices, then be prepare to pay or bankrupt lor.

    i am heartlanders and would be happy if there is a rooftop above my head.

  • 4sg
    Originally posted by reyes:

    hi 4sg.

    as u said, this is for the rich and wealthy. i dont think we can say much about it. for those who aspire to upgrade into condos all i can say, do yr own maths lor. if u kena caught for another downswing, or kena retrenched, or banks demanded to pay the balance amount due to falling of property prices, then be prepare to pay or bankrupt lor.

    i am heartlanders and would be happy if there is a rooftop above my head.


    if u kena caught for another downswing, or kena retrenched, or banks demanded to pay the balance amount due to falling of property prices, then be prepare to pay or bankrupt lor.

    You said it right, bro. This was what happening in the US's real estate. 

    The whole issue of sub-prime lending crisis (lending to people wtih no credit worthiness) has dragged the ordinary US working folks, along with the rogues speculators, to their knees with foreclosure, backruptcy and despair.   

    Somehow, many sheltered Singapore, good or bad times, can only see growth, growth, money, money and not the wisdom of your statement.

  • reyes

    yeah, the american who are caught by foreclosure can blame the bush adminstration that they dint clamp down on derivative trading or preventing high risk investment thru legislation.

     

    but on the other hand, no one ask them to buy a house they cannot afford. all i can say is, invest with care and due diligence. 

  • angel7030
    Originally posted by reyes:

    yeah, the american who are caught by foreclosure can blame the bush adminstration that they dint clamp down on derivative trading or preventing high risk investment thru legislation.

     

    but on the other hand, no one ask them to buy a house they cannot afford. all i can say is, invest with care and due diligence. 


    same goes to mini bonds, nobody asked them to buy? but why banks who underwrite it need to hold responsibility for your investment?

     

    Bush should be sentence to death. He ruled by turning a blind eye with greed from those rich con bankers who supported him. And he left behind a legacy of a near total finanical and healthcare crisis that Mr Obama will have to sweep it clean.