are we stuck?
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I tend to agree and disagree to some of your points. Note that I am more skewed to anti-PAP, but not anti-govt. Need to differentiate.
1st point to disagree, is that all countries have their own problems. Therefore, by highlighting discrimination in Australia, terrorism in USA, does not cover up the problems we have in Singapore. Singapore has a different type of discrimination.
It's called discrimination against its own people. If you have headhunter friends, you would have heard that there is a tendency for companies to prefer foreigners on the higher level, than for locals. In fact, if you are a foreigner coming here to look for a manager job, chances are, you have a better success rate than the local manager. Not that the local manager sucks, its just that its a discrimination that is existing in the recruitment world in Singapore.
2nd point that I agree, is that one should not leave just because here, one cannot survive. It's a bit of a pessimist type of personality, which I also do not encourage in fellow Singaporeans. A person should only leave a place once he or she has considered many factors carefully, and decide that, that is what he or she wants. Each country has its pros and cons. Singapore included.
I have been in a global position since the start of my career, and I sincerely feel that Singaporeans are more capable of doing better than many other nationalities. We are better able to take stress, work faster, and deliver results better. Therefore, I hope that the locals reading this thread, have more optimism about our own capabilities. Once you start facing off foreigners, you will probably find that they are overrated.
One interesting point to note is, I have been in a management position in a global operation, and its interesting to find out that I am the youngest manager in the division reporting to the global director. All the rest of the managers are foreigners, and they are at least a decade older than me. Come to think of it, perhaps its because of the rat race in Singapore, that we are attaining career progression faster than our peers in other countries. Perhaps, people in other countries have learnt how to slow down and enjoy life, whereas we are forever pursuing career success as the single criteria of success in life.
I am begging to differ.The employment of Foreign talents belong to one organisation preferences, nothing to be discriminating about. That is industrial headhunter, not a social issue. Beside, in Singapore, you need to recruit 3 singaporeans before you can get a foreigner, that is the basic for normal industries.
So much so is our young talents efficiency and effectiveness, one by one, these foreign talents are chopped off. As a sole properitorship myself, i do employ foreign gals to make it more colorful and more choice for others to engage. I got a fren of mine working somewhere in wulu Jurong told me that at first, his German firm jump into the wagon of globalisation and employed many german and europe engineers and executives, they provide them cars, condos and even maids. He said that in their homeland, there are just mere laymen struggling to find a job in Europe society, but here is like heaven to them. They bringing in their gf, wifey, family and enjoy most of the things here using company's account. Well, the tide had changed since this downturn, nearly all are ask to go back and replaced by locals and malaysians with diplomas and degrees. All these without condo, car, maid and even transport money, just allowances. All those FTs were at first reluctant to leave, as the cost of leaving is tremendous. But somehow, they have to go, and the profit for his company started to breakeven during the last quarter.
My point here is that FTs here are for a showtime only, but not all of them, some are really good. Slowly, bosses will start to realize their mistakes and replace them with local talents that will not only save costs but increase productivity.
On the other hands, i beg all local talents to join hands, be it you are a manager or senior, employ locals, and for locals working below, cooperate with local heads and bosses, it is a way of removing FTs, this is not something like a discrimination, it is something that we are after, the creator of this place, why should we then put it on a silver plater and serve to the Foreigners. Perhaps we are still looking at white skin people as higher grade, handsome, gracious, big big, but to me, they are nothing.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
I am begging to differ.Does a fallen angel know what "begging" is when it cannot even differentiate the sufferings of those in the suffering Middle Income and the Poor ?
The employment of Foreign talents belong to one organisation preferences, nothing to be discriminating about. That is industrial headhunter, not a social issue. Beside, in Singapore, you need to recruit 3 singaporeans before you can get a foreigner, that is the basic for normal industries.
Can the influx of of foreign talent into Singapore not become a 'social issue' for all Singaporeans ?
Who is the fallen angel attempting to con with her daily crappy ritual ?
"need to recruit 3 singaporeans before you can get a foreigner" - another crappy lie from the fallen angel talking from the wrong end ?
From the thousand of foreign labourers working in some of our local shipyard, each of the shipyard will go bust if they have to employ 3 Singaporeans to be able to employ 1 menial worker from Bangladesh.
So much so is our young talents efficiency and effectiveness, one by one, these foreign talents are chopped off. As a sole properitorship myself, i do employ foreign gals to make it more colorful and more choice for others to engage.
How many foreign gals do you employ to work at your Bar ?
2 or 3 or 6 foreign gals for every 3 Singaporeans employed ?
This will mean that you have to employ 6 Singaporeans if you are to employ 2 foreign gals, or 9 Singaporeans before you employ 3, and 18 Singaporeans before you employ 6.
What is the point of employing these few foreign talents when there is enough local Singaporean gals ?
Is the fallen angel not telling the whole and complete truth about the methods used to avoid the cost of employing these foreign talents at her Bar ?
I got a fren of mine working somewhere in wulu Jurong told me that at first, his German firm jump into the wagon of globalisation and employed many german and europe engineers and executives, they provide them cars, condos and even maids. He said that in their homeland, there are just mere laymen struggling to find a job in Europe society, but here is like heaven to them. They bringing in their gf, wifey, family and enjoy most of the things here using company's account. Well, the tide had changed since this downturn, nearly all are ask to go back and replaced by locals and malaysians with diplomas and degrees. All these without condo, car, maid and even transport money, just allowances. All those FTs were at first reluctant to leave, as the cost of leaving is tremendous. But somehow, they have to go, and the profit for his company started to breakeven during the last quarter.
My point here is that FTs here are for a showtime only, but not all of them, some are really good. Slowly, bosses will start to realize their mistakes and replace them with local talents that will not only save costs but increase productivity.
Do you seriously believe that after sending the high cost foreigner back to their homeland, the locally based Foreign Company will replace the same number of vacant positions with Singaporeans ?
If that is so, then the number of jobless should not be rising since the last reported unemployment percentage at the end of Year 2008.
Has the fallen angel generalised her knowledge of a single incident to an industry-wide occurence ?
The word to describe such a conduct is simply immature exaggeration due to a lack of ability to be circumspect with events.
On the other hands, i beg all local talents to join hands, be it you are a manager or senior, employ locals, and for locals working below, cooperate with local heads and bosses, it is a way of removing FTs, this is not something like a discrimination, it is something that we are after, the creator of this place, why should we then put it on a silver plater and serve to the Foreigners. Perhaps we are still looking at white skin people as higher grade, handsome, gracious, big big, but to me, they are nothing.
Can the local talents work against the insistence of the PAP Government to prevent foreign talent from entering Singapore ?
There are 3.5 million Singaporean Citizens, and 1 million foreigners visiting and being Permanent Residents in Singapore.
Still the PAP Government cannot even find any individual to replace The Jinx and had to bring in Mr Goodyear - who is not even residing in Singapore, and will hardly know the work culture in Singapore.
At the end, the whole exercise was a farce at the expense of Mr Goodyear, as there was never any intention to replace The Jinx, and now that the Board has admitted their inability to work with Mr Goodyear, they have all the reasons to retain the services of The Jinx to continue at the helm of a sinking Titanic.
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Originally posted by Cram:
If you can, go ahead and leave the country. Don't think of it as desertion or being unpatriotic; if you go overseas and shine, it means Singapore is shining. The best part is life outside the red dot can be a fabulous experience, but the downside is you might feel like never coming back.
I dont see that as a downside. Why should one return if one doesnt feel a sense of belonging towards the country?
And yes, if someone's current prospects are better off overseas, it doesnt mean that singapore is doing well. Doesnt co-relate, what if person decides to revoke citizenship? Then the person wouldnt "belong" or "represent" sg alrdy. OR it could also mean that the opportunities are better overseas?
And yes, i dont think its unpatriotic to do so.
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All I know is that no matter how low Singaporeans lower their salary expectations, there will always be a foreigner willing to do the job for less.
You tell me how to survive in Singapore like that?
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Originally posted by charlize:
All I know is that no matter how low Singaporeans lower their salary expectations, there will always be a foreigner willing to do the job for less.
You tell me how to survive in Singapore like that?
I guess the question is can anybody match your knowhow, knowledge, working attitude, charisma.....at a lower price in Singapore?
being in Singapore you have the local advantage, and if you don't have that and compete on price alone, you can never compete wherever you go.
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Originally posted by OHSheet:
I dont see that as a downside. Why should one return if one doesnt feel a sense of belonging towards the country?
And yes, if someone's current prospects are better off overseas, it doesnt mean that singapore is doing well. Doesnt co-relate, what if person decides to revoke citizenship? Then the person wouldnt "belong" or "represent" sg alrdy. OR it could also mean that the opportunities are better overseas?
And yes, i dont think its unpatriotic to do so.
Well, look at it this way: if you go overseas, spend a few years and are happy to return, there's no problem. You cherish the time spent there and now you are back home in familiar territory, among friends and family. All's fine.But if you don't want to come back simply because life's better over there, and you miss friends and folks, then you are forever caught between two worlds. Should I return, should I revoke my citizenship, should I uproot myself completely? That's the downside I was referring to.
If you are doing well elsewhere, it reflects well on Singapore, doesn't it? A Singaporean success story is something of pride for Singapore. That's what I meant.
Actually, if the govt actually encouraged a diaspora it can reap a lot of benefits but they are afraid to do so because of the fear of not being able to control those who leave.