are we stuck?
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it somehow struck my mind...
our government apply policy that makes the country a good "environment" for foreign investor to invest and located at
- accessibility
- stable government
- FTZ
- competitive cost of operation
- no minimum wages law
and many more...
all these measures ensure our countries to grow and GDP to be one of the best among asia
But at the expenses of the people well being.. living in singapore is certainly not easy, year by year the GDP raises so is the citizen stress level.. so at some point of the time maybe from 10 years back people started to leave the country(those with means)
and I realise those whom are really angry with the government are more likely to be the slightly below average and the poor families because they got hit the hardest from all these policy that makes them feel isolated...(ask a hawker or taxi driver and you realise most of them day in and out working hard just to survive) feeding the family alone had take up most of all of their energy in life.. the they will have no extra time nor money to do anything for themselve or for their life..
so now facing with shortage of talent problem they started to woo foreigner to become PR and part of our country because if singapore stop being productive the whole system will fall... so now everyone gotta lower their expectation(competion with foreign talent) once again to push the GDP upwards
I can tell those PR/work permit holder is supportive of the government (I always heard praises from them to the government anyway) If they have voting right I think PAP will get a landslide victory every election..
So generally we think its will be cool if we change the policy by handing over the leadership to another party?
- if they change the existing policies to raise to citizen well being will they comprehen the GDP and the regional standing of our country with increasing competition from rising power like india and china?
- if investor started to leave will our people continue to have what we having now? (at least most of us can survive and have a roof over our head right?)
So whats the solution? leave the country? how about the less educated and lower income families? its their fate to perish either way? its fated for us to choose between being able to survive but live like a slave under stress or crumble down all together to face an uncertain future?
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No, we are not stuck, every minutes, every second, we changed, only in death, you are stuck.
The last 2 quarters, we see a rebound in the economy, just be patient, we are either up or down, never stuck.
As for those peoples claiming to be in hardship, dun be con by them, who dun said they are poor, only stupid people and show off people said that they are rich. For the benefit of doubt, I am also poor.
And for god sake, only singaporean can vote.
Lastly, go for e2i or learning hub for help, we are all pro workers, pro business and pro singapore. Dun keep nagging here and there and sit down there like a toad and expect people to serve you 3 meals everyday, in singapore, base on meritocracy and hardworking, we dun encourage poor people to nag, we encourage them to move forward, train and be retrain to level themselve up. But if you dun take up these training and keep nagging about poor condition, i think you are totally useless, a bug in the society
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Originally posted by angel7030:
No, we are not stuck, every minutes, every second, we changed, only in death, you are stuck.
The last 2 quarters, we see a rebound in the economy, just be patient, we are either up or down, never stuck.
As for those peoples claiming to be in hardship, dun be con by them, who dun said they are poor, only stupid people and show off people said that they are rich. For the benefit of doubt, I am also poor.
And for god sake, only singaporean can vote.
Lastly, go for e2i or learning hub for help, we are all pro workers, pro business and pro singapore. Dun keep nagging here and there and sit down there like a toad and expect people to serve you 3 meals everyday, in singapore, base on meritocracy and hardworking, we dun encourage poor people to nag, we encourage them to move forward, train and be retrain to level themselve up. But if you dun take up these training and keep nagging about poor condition, i think you are totally useless, a bug in the society
longinchjohn, don't talk crap.
ONe day if you are poor, you will suffer like the poor people then you will understand. STop being such a pain to put down poor people.Bloody damn person like you really is a waste of time, space, money, resources, air, oxygen to be alive.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
No, we are not stuck, every minutes, every second, we changed, only in death, you are stuck.
The last 2 quarters, we see a rebound in the economy, just be patient, we are either up or down, never stuck.
As for those peoples claiming to be in hardship, dun be con by them, who dun said they are poor, only stupid people and show off people said that they are rich. For the benefit of doubt, I am also poor.
And for god sake, only singaporean can vote.
Lastly, go for e2i or learning hub for help, we are all pro workers, pro business and pro singapore. Dun keep nagging here and there and sit down there like a toad and expect people to serve you 3 meals everyday, in singapore, base on meritocracy and hardworking, we dun encourage poor people to nag, we encourage them to move forward, train and be retrain to level themselve up. But if you dun take up these training and keep nagging about poor condition, i think you are totally useless, a bug in the society
i think you are totally useless, a bug in the societyYou are the one who is useless. Who do u think you are to talk about the poor! Go go to PAP website. IN this forum, you will read most comments about people exposing the ways of the ruling party and voicing out of grievances and so on. This forum ain't the forum for you who are heartless, worse than beast to treat the poor like shit.
longinchjohn, you are better off living off your gals as a mamasan, papasan!
Yucks, pui at you!
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siam, wha luck pui never landed on me...i go tell my brother about you. Crazy aunty
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
longinchjohn, don't talk crap.
ONe day if you are poor, you will suffer like the poor people then you will understand. STop being such a pain to put down poor people.Bloody damn person like you really is a waste of time, space, money, resources, air, oxygen to be alive.
me angel lah, dun believe come to katong 328 laksa stall, i am here with my fren, laksa boss daughter.You must be one of those lazy bum aunty, guess i hit the right button. if not why so angry..hehhe
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Originally posted by angel7030:
siam, wha luck pui never landed on me...i go tell my brother about you. Crazy aunty
What tell your brother!!! Go tell lah, who do you think your brother is, stinky reputation.You are your own brother. Some forumers know you are a guy, damn it, mamasan!
To me, you are longinchjohn or you are a gal sharing the same account with longinchjohn.
Go back to your filthy place if you so unhappy about what people say here, go por your PAP until u drop.
PUi to you!
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Originally posted by angel7030:
me angel lah, dun believe come to katong 328 laksa stall, i am here with my fren, laksa boss daughter.You must be one of those lazy bum aunty, guess i hit the right button. if not why so angry..hehhe
angry??? you waste space here to post shit which shows how plp you are! Nothing wrong for people to voice out here. Why say so unkind stuff? Hope you will be damn bloody poor one day to taste how is it like for the poor.YOu bloody hopeless arrogant, lau granny mamasan.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
angry??? you waste space here to post shit which shows how plp you are! Nothing wrong for people to voice out here. Why say so unkind stuff? Hope you will be damn bloody poor one day to taste how is it like for the poor.YOu bloody hopeless arrogant, lau granny mamasan.
you also mah, morning morning scold gal gal, how can, aunty, you ok or not?? I think the TS must be your clone too.Me hopeless better than you no hope one
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Originally posted by angel7030:
you also mah, morning morning scold gal gal, how can, aunty, you ok or not?? I think the TS must be your clone too.Me hopeless better than you no hope one
if you cannot win point finger said TS is my clone, this is stupid mentalityi no hope ha ha ha, yes i no hope to be mamasan papasan like you.
You no hope to be without filth, pui!
longinchjohn, u lack of attention, keep coming here to attract attention. go PAP web la since u so unhappy with the people here.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
if you cannot win point finger said TS is my clone, this is stupid mentalityi no hope ha ha ha, yes i no hope to be mamasan papasan like you.
You no hope to be without filth, pui!
longinchjohn, u lack of attention, keep coming here to attract attention. go PAP web la since u so unhappy with the people here.
win what, you also mah, cannot win also said i am my brother, i am granny mamasan, did you ever look at yourself or not, you go opposition website and be happy laze there lah -
passes the popcorn n looks wideeyed
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Originally posted by tERMINATOR20000000:
passes the popcorn n looks wideeyed
pour coke over terminator head -
Originally posted by actualization~:
it somehow struck my mind...
our government apply policy that makes the country a good "environment" for foreign investor to invest and located at
- accessibility
- stable government
- FTZ
- competitive cost of operation
- no minimum wages law
and many more...
all these measures ensure our countries to grow and GDP to be one of the best among asia
But at the expenses of the people well being.. living in singapore is certainly not easy, year by year the GDP raises so is the citizen stress level.. so at some point of the time maybe from 10 years back people started to leave the country(those with means)
and I realise those whom are really angry with the government are more likely to be the slightly below average and the poor families because they got hit the hardest from all these policy that makes them feel isolated...(ask a hawker or taxi driver and you realise most of them day in and out working hard just to survive) feeding the family alone had take up most of all of their energy in life.. the they will have no extra time nor money to do anything for themselve or for their life..
so now facing with shortage of talent problem they started to woo foreigner to become PR and part of our country because if singapore stop being productive the whole system will fall... so now everyone gotta lower their expectation(competion with foreign talent) once again to push the GDP upwards
I can tell those PR/work permit holder is supportive of the government (I always heard praises from them to the government anyway) If they have voting right I think PAP will get a landslide victory every election..
So generally we think its will be cool if we change the policy by handing over the leadership to another party?
- if they change the existing policies to raise to citizen well being will they comprehen the GDP and the regional standing of our country with increasing competition from rising power like india and china?
- if investor started to leave will our people continue to have what we having now? (at least most of us can survive and have a roof over our head right?)
So whats the solution? leave the country? how about the less educated and lower income families? its their fate to perish either way? its fated for us to choose between being able to survive but live like a slave under stress or crumble down all together to face an uncertain future?
The only person who is really 'stuck' is unfortunately YOU.NOT in the country, but in the deep recesses of your mind.
Do you seriously think leaving the country will solve your problem? Will you be able to survive there, socially & economically? Do you seriously think australia with its racists problems, US with its terrorism and ISA type laws on top of crimes, Europe with its extreme racist culture, etc...etc..come to think of it....discrimination is common overseas, is it not?
Why does a person have to work hard? The fundamental truth is that it is the only way to survive. Smartness can only help so much. Have you seen any geniuses not needing to work hard? Bosses entertain lavishly, play golf, live in landed property - such rewards comes from working both hard and smart.
Some may claim to be born rich, but if he/she dont work hard to maintain the money, it too can be gone and reduced to penury.
For goodness sake, PLEASE WAKE UP!! Nothing comes easy, more so in these times. Everyone needs to work even harder BUT remember always, we are not machines, and everyone MUST have and take their breaks - weekends, offs, leaves, etc. Making money is NOT EVERYTHING!
It is those times that life can be cherished and treasured, during those breaks where we all unwind, make friends and enjoy ourselves. Some human beings do not even get that chance overseas in their struggle to make ends meet, not because they do not have the ability to do so, but only lack the opportunity that you and me - singaporeans have.
It's just so depressing to read your post, seeing your irrational fears and feelings of unnecessary doom when we all still have the brains, hands and legs to carve something out of this crisis and overcome it by working harder and smarter, instead of lying down and begging for sympathy......sigh..what can I do to make you see the light?
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
The only person who is really 'stuck' is unfortunately YOU.NOT in the country, but in the deep recesses of your mind.
Do you seriously think leaving the country will solve your problem? Will you be able to survive there, socially & economically? Do you seriously think australia with its racists problems, US with its terrorism and ISA type laws on top of crimes, Europe with its extreme racist culture, etc...etc..come to think of it....discrimination is common overseas, is it not?
Why does a person have to work hard? The fundamental truth is that it is the only way to survive. Smartness can only help so much. Have you seen any geniuses not needing to work hard? Bosses entertain lavishly, play golf, live in landed property - such rewards comes from working both hard and smart.
Some may claim to be born rich, but if he/she dont work hard to maintain the money, it too can be gone and reduced to penury.
For goodness sake, PLEASE WAKE UP!! Nothing comes easy, more so in these times. Everyone needs to work even harder BUT remember always, we are not machines, and everyone MUST have and take their breaks - weekends, offs, leaves, etc. Making money is NOT EVERYTHING!
It is those times that life can be cherished and treasured, during those breaks where we all unwind, make friends and enjoy ourselves. Some human beings do not even get that chance overseas in their struggle to make ends meet, not because they do not have the ability to do so, but only lack the opportunity that you and me - singaporeans have.
It's just so depressing to read your post, seeing your irrational fears and feelings of unnecessary doom when we all still have the brains, hands and legs to carve something out of this crisis and overcome it by working harder and smarter, instead of lying down and begging for sympathy......sigh..what can I do to make you see the light?
I get what your saying xtreyier I hate to stereotype you the way you are doing to me but I am well aware of what your trying to say.firstly going oversea is certainly not a good solution to the problem, I am just saying what is happening, not saying its the only way out..
to summarise what your trying to say "rewards come in forms of hardwork and preservation" its not wrong.. but thats one of the problem I am saying pointing to the kind of person we are made out due to government's policies, we are being put in this contradicting position whereas 80% of the countries effort is to keep up on the economical growth which is deem as normal or "thats the way to do it" in the eye of many people.
The result of sucessful education and good implementation of the rules, it created a generation of singaporean whom ideas, priority and value all focusing on what you have called "life". By following the singapore version of the society rules we are deem sucessful if we did well in it.. Personally I think what most singaporean are doing now does not even sum up to 10% of whats "life" all about, but everyone seek the same goals and have the same mindset like a production line, everyone here claim to be different but somehow they look the same to me.. personally I am not a keen follower of the "singaporea society rules" as a matter of fact it irks me....
"Everyone needs to work even harder BUT remember always, we are not machines, and everyone MUST have and take their breaks - weekends, offs, leaves, etc. Making money is NOT EVERYTHING!"
you know not everyone have the privilege to do that? you think those aunties and uncles are stupid enough not to go for upgrades and seek a better life? you will understand better if you actually talked to and see the typical everyday life they are having..
I know maybe I sound weird but I think singaporean need to look beyond their set of logical right and wrong, do and not to do to understand why the government policies "stuck" its citizen...
I know i be flame unless someone who understand and can express better than me read this and speak on my behalf..
*PS angel we are not on the same frequency i bet you barely read 2 line of my first post..
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Originally posted by actualization~:
I get what your saying xtreyier I hate to stereotype you the way you are doing to me but I am well aware of what your trying to say.firstly going oversea is certainly not a good solution to the problem, I am just saying what is happening, not saying its the only way out..
to summarise what your trying to say "rewards come in forms of hardwork and preservation" its not wrong.. but thats one of the problem I am saying pointing to the kind of person we are made out due to government's policies, we are being put in this contradicting position whereas 80% of the countries effort is to keep up on the economical growth which is deem as normal or "thats the way to do it" in the eye of many people.
The result of sucessful education and good implementation of the rules, it created a generation of singaporean whom ideas, priority and value all focusing on what you have called "life". By following the singapore version of the society rules we are deem sucessful if we did well in it.. Personally I think what most singaporean are doing now does not even sum up to 10% of whats "life" all about, but everyone seek the same goals and have the same mindset like a production line, everyone here claim to be different but somehow they look the same to me.. personally I am not a keen follower of the "singaporea society rules" as a matter of fact it irks me....
"Everyone needs to work even harder BUT remember always, we are not machines, and everyone MUST have and take their breaks - weekends, offs, leaves, etc. Making money is NOT EVERYTHING!"
you know not everyone have the privilege to do that? you think those aunties and uncles are stupid enough not to go for upgrades and seek a better life? you will understand better if you actually talked to and see the typical everyday life they are having..
I know maybe I sound weird but I think singaporean need to look beyond their set of logical right and wrong, do and not to do to understand why the government policies "stuck" its citizen...
I know i be flame unless someone who understand and can express better than me read this and speak on my behalf..
*PS angel we are not on the same frequency i bet you barely read 2 line of my first post..
angel7030 aka longinchjohn makes a potential candidate to join Pay and Pay. See she he so heartless in the post. Sounds she against people going under hardship and poor people.
he she from plp club.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
angel7030 aka longinchjohn makes a potential candidate to join Pay and Pay. See she he so heartless in the post. Sounds she against people going under hardship and poor people.
he she from plp club.
plp club.????
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Originally posted by angel7030:
No, we are not stuck, every minutes, every second, we changed, only in death, you are stuck.
Hey you are not as dumb as I thought. Only in death indeed. But you people are stuck with the Lees. Master Lees. -
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Hey you are not as dumb as I thought. Only in death indeed. But you people are stuck with the Lees. Master Lees.
no lah, I am with Gary lah. Actually hor, we look at thing in a more different perspectives than you opposition supporters do, we look from the marco level, whereas you people only look at the micro level. We see a stable, harmony and peace society here, of course there is some hicup here and there, as nothing is perfect in this world. With such view, we tends to want such condition to progress on where we can get a good bf, marry, borne childrens and built a happy family here.Tho i am a still young, but i travelled most of part of the world with my Dad, and while he is entertaining his business peoples and mistresses, I go around to see the culture and the poor condition of other countries, from there, i really admire and envy my own country i called Singapore. But I am not very welcome there, the gals love singapore man more then woman. Therefore as a Singapore man like you are, you should be honored, u ask any 3rd world countries gals around our region, which country men is the best partners,,,they will tell you Singapore Man. This is something not out of a magic, it is something learned and earned.
Finally, as i said earlier, we view and look at the situation of this society to be good, and inorder to stay good with more goodness, we have to put our hands to the ruling party as a whole, not just a person.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
angel7030 aka longinchjohn makes a potential candidate to join Pay and Pay. See she he so heartless in the post. Sounds she against people going under hardship and poor people.
he she from plp club.
PLP??? new party..woei! aunty, please dun give me funny name leh, latter ISD knock on my door for starting a PLP party -
wah..become a thread for angel and fant to quarrel..haha..
anyway..we are not stuck..its a vicious cycle..who cares if middle class and the ppor suffer right(thats what they are thinking)
many singaporeans leave..they can be easily replace with FT at a lower pay rate..still economy will at least maintain..think of a cheaper substitute..
locals who remain will be forced to upgrade their skills and certs..or forced to eat air..and despite having new certs(toilet paper)..its still cheaper and faster to buy a FT..
and so..there will be no middle class soon..just rich..or poor..jus like in the states..isnt it nice to see how they love to suck up to western powers?
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
wah..become a thread for angel and fant to quarrel..haha..
anyway..we are not stuck..its a vicious cycle..who cares if middle class and the ppor suffer right(thats what they are thinking)
many singaporeans leave..they can be easily replace with FT at a lower pay rate..still economy will at least maintain..think of a cheaper substitute..
locals who remain will be forced to upgrade their skills and certs..or forced to eat air..and despite having new certs(toilet paper)..its still cheaper and faster to buy a FT..
and so..there will be no middle class soon..just rich..or poor..jus like in the states..isnt it nice to see how they love to suck up to western powers?
WHERE?? where:??? where got quarrel?? me and my aunty is good frens ok, dun tarnish our friendship hor.Middle class no more also good, these are problem makers, leave behind the poor and the rich can take care of them.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
The only person who is really 'stuck' is unfortunately YOU.NOT in the country, but in the deep recesses of your mind.
Do you seriously think leaving the country will solve your problem? Will you be able to survive there, socially & economically? Do you seriously think australia with its racists problems, US with its terrorism and ISA type laws on top of crimes, Europe with its extreme racist culture, etc...etc..come to think of it....discrimination is common overseas, is it not?
Why does a person have to work hard? The fundamental truth is that it is the only way to survive. Smartness can only help so much. Have you seen any geniuses not needing to work hard? Bosses entertain lavishly, play golf, live in landed property - such rewards comes from working both hard and smart.
Some may claim to be born rich, but if he/she dont work hard to maintain the money, it too can be gone and reduced to penury.
For goodness sake, PLEASE WAKE UP!! Nothing comes easy, more so in these times. Everyone needs to work even harder BUT remember always, we are not machines, and everyone MUST have and take their breaks - weekends, offs, leaves, etc. Making money is NOT EVERYTHING!
It is those times that life can be cherished and treasured, during those breaks where we all unwind, make friends and enjoy ourselves. Some human beings do not even get that chance overseas in their struggle to make ends meet, not because they do not have the ability to do so, but only lack the opportunity that you and me - singaporeans have.
It's just so depressing to read your post, seeing your irrational fears and feelings of unnecessary doom when we all still have the brains, hands and legs to carve something out of this crisis and overcome it by working harder and smarter, instead of lying down and begging for sympathy......sigh..what can I do to make you see the light?
I tend to agree and disagree to some of your points. Note that I am more skewed to anti-PAP, but not anti-govt. Need to differentiate.
1st point to disagree, is that all countries have their own problems. Therefore, by highlighting discrimination in Australia, terrorism in USA, does not cover up the problems we have in Singapore. Singapore has a different type of discrimination.
It's called discrimination against its own people. If you have headhunter friends, you would have heard that there is a tendency for companies to prefer foreigners on the higher level, than for locals. In fact, if you are a foreigner coming here to look for a manager job, chances are, you have a better success rate than the local manager. Not that the local manager sucks, its just that its a discrimination that is existing in the recruitment world in Singapore.
2nd point that I agree, is that one should not leave just because here, one cannot survive. It's a bit of a pessimist type of personality, which I also do not encourage in fellow Singaporeans. A person should only leave a place once he or she has considered many factors carefully, and decide that, that is what he or she wants. Each country has its pros and cons. Singapore included.
I have been in a global position since the start of my career, and I sincerely feel that Singaporeans are more capable of doing better than many other nationalities. We are better able to take stress, work faster, and deliver results better. Therefore, I hope that the locals reading this thread, have more optimism about our own capabilities. Once you start facing off foreigners, you will probably find that they are overrated.
One interesting point to note is, I have been in a management position in a global operation, and its interesting to find out that I am the youngest manager in the division reporting to the global director. All the rest of the managers are foreigners, and they are at least a decade older than me. Come to think of it, perhaps its because of the rat race in Singapore, that we are attaining career progression faster than our peers in other countries. Perhaps, people in other countries have learnt how to slow down and enjoy life, whereas we are forever pursuing career success as the single criteria of success in life.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
WHERE?? where:??? where got quarrel?? me and my aunty is good frens ok, dun tarnish our friendship hor.Middle class no more also good, these are problem makers, leave behind the poor and the rich can take care of them.
looks like it mah...
hmm..just like how to get the hungry to eat the homeless so problems can be soloved??
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If you can, go ahead and leave the country. Don't think of it as desertion or being unpatriotic; if you go overseas and shine, it means Singapore is shining. The best part is life outside the red dot can be a fabulous experience, but the downside is you might feel like never coming back.
After all, Singapore has come a long way since the 60s, educating the people and encouraging them to go overseas (you get visa-free or visa-on-arrival access to 178 countries). It's time the govt, which is so busy wooing foreigners, actually encourages a Singapore diaspora that is talented and capable of reaching its potential anywhere in the world, insteading of calling them quitters.
Why stay back and suffocate in an increasingly crowded city when you can get better quality of life and decent wages somewhere else?