MSIA TODAY: "Lee Kuan Yew and Corruption - Singapore Style"
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Nobody is incorruptable,....who dun want $$$, given our ministers taking high paid in comparing with other countries, our ministers are in fact Prepaid Corrupted.
But after saying that, corruption is good if the fellow citizens also enjoy the fruits of corruption, with the situation in Singapore the past few decades, we had been in good times, unlike other country whereby the top is corrupted but the below are living in dust and dirt.
All men are born with greed, that is nature, just a matter of how you share your greed.
that include me, a gal, so you want to corrupt me or not? If want me to support opposition, no problem, i can canvass my whole joo chiat here to vote for opposition, just name me the price.
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Many people may share the same sentiments here...My Indonesians collegues always say Indonesia is still the best....they will return when they stop working in Singapore. Low living cost, everytime they can change government and safer than Singapore, why not?
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Indonesia got so many riots how can be more safe than singapore?
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
Many people may share the same sentiments here…My Indonesians collegues always say Indonesia is still the best….they will return when they stop working in Singapore.
Low living cost, everytime they can change government and safer than Singapore, why not?
"they can change the government", who are the they?why does your colleague come here to work in the first place? if he is a chinese, I am not surprised he actually was educated in Singapore. next time he will try, by any means to send his children to singapore, for primary and secondary education.....
of all the people, indonesian....makes me laugh.
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
Many people may share the same sentiments here…My Indonesians collegues always say Indonesia is still the best….they will return when they stop working in Singapore.
Low living cost, everytime they can change government and safer than Singapore, why not?
if indonesia is good safe, why they come here??? safe ar?? see the bombing or not?? the massarce of chinese there?? and the currency up and down??.Why dun they return now? Singmarine can employ local mah
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
Many people may share the same sentiments here…My Indonesians collegues always say Indonesia is still the best….they will return when they stop working in Singapore.
Low living cost, everytime they can change government and safer than Singapore, why not?
I myslef is from Indonesia n speaking about low cost, it is true that living standard is cheaper than Spore but as for safetyness, I not too sure n if u look at the crime rate in the city but cannot say much for the rural area. To each of his own, change govt is easy but whether good govt is another matter. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
"they can change the government", who are the they?why does your colleague come here to work in the first place? if he is a chinese, I am not surprised he actually was educated in Singapore. next time he will try, by any means to send his children to singapore, for primary and secondary education.....
of all the people, indonesian....makes me laugh.
Never b emotional n they refer to the Indonesian people in general, the same goes for Malaysia, easy to change govt esp if u look at the last year election, these two countries no GRC to begin. If u ask him why his colleuage came to work, it is the same like asking other countries people why come here to work, there are plenty of peole from other countries coming here to study n do not forget Indonesian business man donated $100000 to NUS, I doubt any countries businessmen are willing to part with this amount. Please do not forget the bulk of the investment in private apartment came from Indonesia and Malaysia. Besides, there are many foreigners not only Indonesian who want to go back to their original countries after working here. If I am not wrong, there are some scholarship for the foreign students n most of them go back to their countries after serving bond. -
Indonesia & Malaysia is much cheaper & safer than Singapore. The people is controlling their government, not the other way round. As for those bombing, these are isolated incidents. Only 6 people die mah.
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Singapore is a safe place hahahah not for those the regime considers enemy. There's no check and balance in Singapore. Safe? If you consider living with snakes is safe then . . . . .primal minister haha
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
Indonesia & Malaysia is much cheaper & safer than Singapore. The people is controlling their government, not the other way round.
As for those bombing, these are isolated incidents. Only 6 people die mah.
Only 6 people die mah.
this is the most cold blooded statement I have read in this forum!
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Originally posted by will4:
Never b emotional n they refer to the Indonesian people in general, the same goes for Malaysia, easy to change govt esp if u look at the last year election, these two countries no GRC to begin. If u ask him why his colleuage came to work, it is the same like asking other countries people why come here to work, there are plenty of peole from other countries coming here to study n do not forget Indonesian business man donated $100000 to NUS, I doubt any countries businessmen are willing to part with this amount. Please do not forget the bulk of the investment in private apartment came from Indonesia and Malaysia. Besides, there are many foreigners not only Indonesian who want to go back to their original countries after working here. If I am not wrong, there are some scholarship for the foreign students n most of them go back to their countries after serving bond.the Indonesian people in general do not change the government, the military and some elites do. The indonesian people in general get paid with coloured t shirt to demonstrate. In the end, the poor poorer, the rich richerer.
Why do indonesians invest in Singapore private apartment? in fact, they also keep millions in singapore account. Why? ask anyone and you will hear similar answers. This is the safe heaven. When there is any problem, they can come to singapore with just their cloths on their body. In May 1998, a caucasian told me, in orchard road, every 3 persons you meet one is an indonesian. This is not too far away.
We welcome foreigners coming here to study, live, shopping, donate in cash or in kind, but don't think we owe you anything for that. put it this way, Malaysia is much cheaper than singapore, and they speak bahasa, I don't see indonesians moving and invest in KL, or JB. even as early as the 70', nanyang university was still the choice university for many chinese indonesian.
Learn to respect each other, even if we are a little red dot, ...still better than a coconut head president, ex.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
the Indonesian people in general do not change the government, the military and some elites do. The indonesian people in general get paid with coloured t shirt to demonstrate. In the end, the poor poorer, the rich richerer.
Why do indonesians invest in Singapore private apartment? in fact, they also keep millions in singapore account. Why? ask anyone and you will hear similar answers. This is the safe heaven. When there is any problem, they can come to singapore with just their cloths on their body. In May 1998, a caucasian told me, in orchard road, every 3 persons you meet one is an indonesian. This is not too far away.
We welcome foreigners coming here to study, live, shopping, donate in cash or in kind, but don't think we owe you anything for that. put it this way, Malaysia is much cheaper than singapore, and they speak bahasa, I don't see indonesians moving and invest in KL, or JB. even as early as the 70', nanyang university was still the choice university for many chinese indonesian.
Learn to respect each other, even if we are a little red dot, ...still better than a coconut head president, ex.
Correct, the Indonesian military do have power to change the govt but it is past matter. Matter relating to internal security which used to be role of the Indonesian military has been transfered to the cops. In fact, some of the Indonesian students have gone to Malaysia and I personally knew some of them. In fact if ur claim that the military is the one behind changing govt, u think the present president could have been voted back for a second term? Who chose the president? The military? How do u explain the fact in 04 Indonesian election, Megawati could have been defeated in the poll. The military is more supportive of Megawati than the present president. The Caucasian saying about plenty of Indonesian is that plenty of them seek refuge in here but most of them went back to Indonesia after that. In fact, many of the Indonesian go other countries to study university. -
Originally posted by Singmarine:
Indonesia & Malaysia is much cheaper & safer than Singapore. The people is controlling their government, not the other way round.
As for those bombing, these are isolated incidents. Only 6 people die mah.
In Malaysia, it is the fact that people were fed up of inflation n frankly speaking, former PM Badawi is the best PM of Malaysia I have come across. He did not copy Dr M manner to deal with this country. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I know many people here cut and paste long walls of info, but they only read a tiny bit. and I bet the rest of the people also never read, or read a bit, and start discussing.those for PAP and those against, no neutral ground, this is how singaporean discuss poltics, at least in malaysia you have umno, pas, dap....many sides
of course msians don't think lky and sg not so bad when mahathir now ask how did the msian government spent S$104b in oil money over the last 6 years, nobody asked him how much he spent don't know how many billions over the last 20 years, crisis or no crisis.
eh u quote me for wad! i wasn't discussing anything =\ i just saying wad some of the comments on the original article were and that i didn't finish reading the write up. i posted here for u all to read! (: -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
the Indonesian people in general do not change the government, the military and some elites do. The indonesian people in general get paid with coloured t shirt to demonstrate. In the end, the poor poorer, the rich richerer.
Even if Indonesia has a coconut head president, it is a fact that Indonesians has a real electoral system that enable the coconut head president to become an "ex".
Was it the military or a small group of elites that made the change, or was the "coconut head" Habibie voted out of office by the Indonesian people ?
Compared to the Indonesians, with a population of 100 Million, it is surprising that they are able to conduct an election without any need to gerrymeander with the electoral boundaries, nor is there any need for the ruling party to control the press and broadcast media, pass new laws that result in walk-over constituencies where entire section of electorates do not get a chance to exercise their rights to vote.
Surprisingly for a supposedly less sophisticated political system of a Third World Country, no Indonesian Opposition Members will get sued or persecuted by the politicians that win the Election.
Only in a First World Singapore will the "kiasu-kiasi" mentality of First World politicians - that boast themselves to be Talented Elites - will resort to Third World politics to gerrymeander with the Electoral Systems, resort to controlling the press and broadcast medias, and pass legislations to handicap the other Political Parties.
All these are done to the extent that it will result in about 33 percent - of the eligible 1.5 Million voters - will get to participate in the election process.
Still the winning party can only achieve 66.6 percent of the votes from the 33 percent participating voters, and this is supposed to represent a population of 3 Million PLUS citizens.
The Indonesian election system saw at least a participation of almost 80 percent of their population of 100 Million, and the 66 percent win of the eligible Indonesian votes by the Winning Candidate - is far more convincing and representative of the Indoneisan people compared to what the false election in Singapore can prove.
Why do indonesians invest in Singapore private apartment? in fact, they also keep millions in singapore account. Why? ask anyone and you will hear similar answers. This is the safe heaven. When there is any problem, they can come to singapore with just their cloths on their body. In May 1998, a caucasian told me, in orchard road, every 3 persons you meet one is an indonesian. This is not too far away.
You must be naive to believe that the Indonesian Chinese will want to migrate to Malaysia after experiencing what they have gone through in Indonesia ?
It is like the proverbial truth in "jumping out of the pot into the fire".
Do you seriously believe that the Indonesian money that flow into Singapore is clean money ?
For more then twenty over years, the supposedly clean and anti-corruption Singapore Government has refused to sign an extradition treaty with Indonesia, which will allow the Indonesian Government to prosecute and recover the billions from those who have cheated Indonesia and transferred the ill gotten gains to overseas financial safe havens like Singapore.
Many of the Indonesians that took flight from Indonesia are Indonesian Chinese who benefitted during the "free wheeling" Suharto rule, where the Indoneisan 'guan-xi" system had enriched many Indonesian Chinese.
Why do you think that the Singapore Government has refused to sign the extradition treaty, even during the period of Suharto rule when the relationship with Indonesia is better than with Malaysia ?
We welcome foreigners coming here to study, live, shopping, donate in cash or in kind, but don't think we owe you anything for that. put it this way, Malaysia is much cheaper than singapore, and they speak bahasa, I don't see indonesians moving and invest in KL, or JB. even as early as the 70', nanyang university was still the choice university for many chinese indonesian.
Learn to respect each other, even if we are a little red dot, ...still better than a coconut head president, ex.
Are you politically naive to believe that Malaysia will accept any growth to their Chinese population that will upset their Malay Electorates ?
Over the years, Malaysia has welcomed many Indonesians of ethnic Malay stock and have boosted the ‘Malaysian Population from 9.4 Million in 1965 to 27.7 Million in 2008' This was achieved by their open door policy in allowing ethnic Malays from Indonesia to settle in Peninsular Malaysia, and from southern Philippines into Sabah.
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Actually I'm trying to reply to the Post about Community Emergency Response Training C.E.R.T. but cannot find it. It is all volunteers.
http://www.pa.gov.sg/1191387769885.html
http://www.loud.com.sg/pa_video/pa_cert_recruitment.wmv
CERT stands for Community Emergency Response Team. CERT is an organised group of volunteers equipped with special training to respond to an emergency and assist the community in the recovery process. The main role of the CERT is to strengthen the emergency response capabilities of the local community.
First formed in 2004 at the Residents' Committee and Neighbourhood Committee zonal level to support the EPG and CDEC, CERT members are made up of grassroots leaders and residents who are staying in the vicinity. Being closer to the ground, they can respond to an emergency before the arrival of the emergency authorities. CERT members assist in rendering basic first aid, evacuation and crowd control before and after the emergency authorities arrive. -
1 thousand, 2 thousands, 3 thousands, 4 thousands, 5 thousands..blow blow...check heart beat, tilt head....wha lau, during my Brownie days, i did alot of these shit...so far resicutated no one leh.
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Originally posted by Singmarine:
Indonesia & Malaysia is much cheaper & safer than Singapore. The people is controlling their government, not the other way round.
As for those bombing, these are isolated incidents. Only 6 people die mah.
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Boy this Malaysian idiot's article is filled with so many more holes than Swiss cheese, it's stupid.
A writer like that doesn't even understand basic economics, military and politics but gets to publish this crap ... no wonder M'sia is so screwed up.
I'll juz address 1 point, where got time to edit this writer's shitty article (which I actually read in full), his/her editor is just as shitty to allow it to go to print?
Getting the US navy to help patrol the Malacca Straits is a way to cut off all trade/shipping to China? How dumb can that statement be?
Malaysia and Indonesia are so incompetent they cannot even guarantee the safety of shipping in the Straits between them. Their navies and govt can't even do anything about the pirates operating from their coastal villages or the terrorists bombing Bali and Jakarta, this Malaysian writer wants to whine?
World trade will be affected if there is a major terrorist attack in the Straits u idiot writer! It'll obviously affect Singapore, so rather than wait for those 2 idiot countries to get their act together, which will be in the year 3000 A.D., we do the right thing by getting the world's strongest navy to do it for us and the region and the world. G.E.D.D.I.T.?!?!
The global economy is so closely linked that if China's economy goes belly up, the US will bleed dry. Hell M'sia will go bankrupt too. The US needs China more than the other way round. China is the no. 1 lender of money to the US in the way of US Treasury Bonds owned for Pete's sakes.
In times of war with any country, the US Navy chief role is to blockade. Why block the Malacca Straits just to spite China? How to stop shipments to China from other Asian countries and South American oil, metals, food? What an ass... a naval blockade of China will obviously be implemented along China's coastline, easily done by US carrier battle groups based in Japan or the Philipines!
As for the rest, if I ever feel very eng, I might come back to slam this sphincter of a clown.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Only in a First World Singapore will the "kiasu-kiasi" mentality of First World politicians - that boast themselves to be Talented Elites - will resort to Third World politics to gerrymeander with the Electoral Systems, resort to controlling the press and broadcast medias, and pass legislations to handicap the other Political Parties.
Even if Indonesia has a coconut head president, it is a fact that Indonesians has a real electoral system that enable the coconut head president to become an "ex".
Was it the military or a small group of elites that made the change, or was the "coconut head" Habibie voted out of office by the Indonesian people ?
Compared to the Indonesians, with a population of 100 Million, it is surprising that they are able to conduct an election without any need to gerrymeander with the electoral boundaries, nor is there any need for the ruling party to control the press and broadcast media, pass new laws that result in walk-over constituencies where entire section of electorates do not get a chance to exercise their rights to vote.
Surprisingly for a supposedly less sophisticated political system of a Third World Country, no Indonesian Opposition Members will get sued or persecuted by the politicians that win the Election.
- Wow but the military makes political figures disappear or guns them down with M16s or hand grenades, that's more efficient huh? Clean and effective indeed. The generals do the dirty work, just like a couple of other ASEAN countries incidentally. That's your idea of democracy huh? Real progressive!
- Wow, but with the use of bombings to disrupt the election process, of course you won't need any other policies! Dun quote me, quote the Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono speaking after the terror bombings and the Indonesian analysts who say that military was probably involved! They received intelligence of military attempts to disrupt the election process as well as how to oppose the election of Yudhoyon.Notice how the JI has not claimed responsibility for the bombings? Usually they can't wait to claim credit for such things?
All these are done to the extent that it will result in about 33 percent - of the eligible 1.5 Million voters - will get to participate in the election process.
Still the winning party can only achieve 66.6 percent of the votes from the 33 percent participating voters, and this is supposed to represent a population of 3 Million PLUS citizens.
The Indonesian election system saw at least a participation of almost 80 percent of their population of 100 Million, and the 66 percent win of the eligible Indonesian votes by the Winning Candidate - is far more convincing and representative of the Indoneisan people compared to what the false election in Singapore can prove.
- Wow, but you so conveniently neglect what democracy means to the majority of Indonesian voters who happen to be poor and illiterate. A few rupiah for you to tick this box, get it, farmer? You carry banner and wave flags today with this group of people, some more rupiah for you ok?
You must be naive to believe that the Indonesian Chinese will want to migrate to Malaysia after experiencing what they have gone through in Indonesia ?
It is like the proverbial truth in "jumping out of the pot into the fire".
- Wow, so what's your point, that Singapore prides itself on racial equality? That we go by non-racial persecution policies? Nelson Mandela/South African apartheid ring a bell? American Civil War and Martin Luther King mean anything to you? What's new?
Do you seriously believe that the Indonesian money that flow into Singapore is clean money ?
For more then twenty over years, the supposedly clean and anti-corruption Singapore Government has refused to sign an extradition treaty with Indonesia, which will allow the Indonesian Government to prosecute and recover the billions from those who have cheated Indonesia and transferred the ill gotten gains to overseas financial safe havens like Singapore.
Many of the Indonesians that took flight from Indonesia are Indonesian Chinese who benefitted during the "free wheeling" Suharto rule, where the Indoneisan 'guan-xi" system had enriched many Indonesian Chinese.
Why do you think that the Singapore Government has refused to sign the extradition treaty, even during the period of Suharto rule when the relationship with Indonesia is better than with Malaysia ?
- Wow, a race of people fleeing their country to escape persecution? What's new? What's your point again? The Jews and the Palestines and the Muslims and countless many others have to do that in the course of history. So the Indonesian Chinese worked hard to earn their money. They didn't stop other Indonesians from doing so what. What's your point? Yet they suffered persecution and ethnic crimes, they have no right to self-preservation just cos their skin colour is lighter? Yawn.
- Wow, you don't know much about international finance do you? Why sign something just cos another country says so? Especially when that something doesn't benefit you! Obviously you dun understand the concept of sovereignty do you?
- Wow haven't you heard that the Swiss Govt is headed towards an exciting international law battle with the US Govt over the former's banking secrecy laws that allow rich fat US citizens to evade taxes? Been living in a cave? Don't you know that the prospect of any harmonisation of international finance laws are a million light years away? Ever bothered to ask the Cayman Islands, Luxembourg et al the same questions?
Are you politically naive to believe that Malaysia will accept any growth to their Chinese population that will upset their Malay Electorates ?
Over the years, Malaysia has welcomed many Indonesians of ethnic Malay stock and have boosted the ‘Malaysian Population from 9.4 Million in 1965 to 27.7 Million in 2008' This was achieved by their open door policy in allowing ethnic Malays from Indonesia to settle in Peninsular Malaysia, and from southern Philippines into Sabah.
- Wow, so M'sia accepts immigrants from any country so long as the skin colour fits a certain darker shade? Skills and rich or not doesn't matter? What's new? Its not our business what, its their sovereign right to do what they want.
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:
Boy this Malaysian idiot's article is filled with so many more holes than Swiss cheese, it's stupid.
A writer like that doesn't even understand basic economics, military and politics but gets to publish this crap ... no wonder M'sia is so screwed up.
I'll juz address 1 point, where got time to edit this writer's shitty article (which I actually read in full), his/her editor is just as shitty to allow it to go to print?
Getting the US navy to help patrol the Malacca Straits is a way to cut off all trade/shipping to China? How dumb can that statement be?
Big talk from a small fry who would not even attempt to write a serious article but will know how to critic without even the slightest idea about geo-politics.
If you cannot understand how jealously the Malaysians and the Indonesians guard their territorial waters and keep the US Navy from interfering in law enforcements - it will be interesting for you to find out how the Americans and the Canadians will react to the Russian efforts in planting their flag below the North Pole.
Obviously, you know too little about the the reactions from the USA and the Canadians towards the Russians attempt.
Malaysia and Indonesia are so incompetent they cannot even guarantee the safety of shipping in the Straits between them. Their navies and govt can't even do anything about the pirates operating from their coastal villages or the terrorists bombing Bali and Jakarta, this Malaysian writer wants to whine?
World trade will be affected if there is a major terrorist attack in the Straits u idiot writer! It'll obviously affect Singapore, so rather than wait for those 2 idiot countries to get their act together, which will be in the year 3000 A.D., we do the right thing by getting the world's strongest navy to do it for us and the region and the world. G.E.D.D.I.T.?!?!
Throughout 2008, without any help from the US Navy - the naval vessels from Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand has managed to keep the piracy levels down from the tip of Northern Sumatra through the Straits of Malacca; and at the southern end - there is the naval co-operation between the navies of Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia that had kept our end of the Straits incident free.
If the Indonesian are idiots when they could not keep the surreptitious terrorists from bombing Bali, then by comparison - Singapore must received the super title of buffoons for the tremendous job in letting a captive terrorist skip out of jail and limp out of this tiny red dot, and waddle across the Johor Straits to Malaysia.
Brilliant intelligent thinking from a juvenile brain that must resemble the holes in a block of cheese.
The global economy is so closely linked that if China's economy goes belly up, the US will bleed dry. Hell M'sia will go bankrupt too. The US needs China more than the other way round. China is the no. 1 lender of money to the US in the way of US Treasury Bonds owned for Pete's sakes.
The global economy had thrived before Deng Xiao-peng opened China's doors and offered itself as the sweat shop for the world's manufacturers.
Do you think that the World cannot reverse back to where it was if China remain intransigent about following fair trade practices by disadvantaging other countries while she enjoy the highest surplusses every year ?
Do you seriously believe that in a mutually dependent global economy, the USA needs China more then China needs the USA ?
It certainly show up the shallow thinking of a poppy-cock raring to release a full broadside aimlessly.
If only you will allow yourself to fill the holes in your brain you will note that China requires technology that it does not possess, and a market for all the products that she can produce cheaper than anyone.
No other country has the capacity to consume what China can produce except for the USA; and the USA can easily replace the cheap Chinese labor by retooling the long neglected US industries to reignite its manufacturing efficiency and re-absorb the large number of unemployed.
China will face a formidable competitor in the USA that possess the technology, the knowledge in R & D that produce new products, and when pushed to the wall the USA has shown itself to be able to rebound and face the challenge.
If one relook at the US strategy in allowing China to buy the Treasury Notes - which over the years are usually reserved for selected allied countries - there seem to be a hidden agenda to get China to sink their trade surplus deeper into the USA.
This is another way of getting the US Currency to return to the USA when China has no wish to adjust its currency to allow for fair trade to exist between the two countries that result in a lop sided trade balance in China's favor.
The US strategy seems to have worked, as China's PM Wen Jia-bao has already publicly stated China's deep concern with US Government ability to turn the US economy around to stop the US currency from losing any more value - as it will affect the value of the huge holdings of US Treasury Bonds, and the huge Chinese surplus held in US Currency.
In times of war with any country, the US Navy chief role is to blockade. Why block the Malacca Straits just to spite China? How to stop shipments to China from other Asian countries and South American oil, metals, food? What an ass... a naval blockade of China will obviously be implemented along China's coastline, easily done by US carrier battle groups based in Japan or the Philipines!
As for the rest, if I ever feel very eng, I might come back to slam this sphincter of a clown.
Obviously, you are no strategiest, and practically have no clue in the strategic use of naval assets.
Your method of coastal blockade predates the sail galleons of the 17th century, and your lack of familiarity in naval technological advancement in the 21st Century has resulted in the fool's vision of confronting a formibable opponent by placing all the naval assets in a row for China's sophisticated military response in kicking your butt.
If ever you have the energy, try reading the basics of naval warfare and politics between nations in the 21st Century before you are made to look like an ass.
People’s War at Sea: Chinese Naval Power in the Twenty-First Century – March 1996
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:Originally posted by Atobe:
- Wow but the military makes political figures disappear or guns them down with M16s or hand grenades, that's more efficient huh? Clean and effective indeed. The generals do the dirty work, just like a couple of other ASEAN countries incidentally. That's your idea of democracy huh? Real progressive!
Are you still living in the age of Sukarno, or Suharto - or just being a dickhead stuck in a hole that you are not supposed to get into ?
Or perhaps you are mixing the Latin American Politics with Indonesia's ?
Obviously, you have conveniently overlooked that since Suharto was kicked out of office, he was replaced by an arrogant short a*rse - who dared call Singapore a little red dot, and was replaced by a democratically elected blind man, who was himself replaced by a fat lady - and all done with relative peace that even allowed the World to witness a peaceful and civil handover of political power from one person to the next.
This is even more remarkable considering Indonesia had not been familiar with the democratic process after more then 50 years of one man ruling by dictates with the help of his family and cronies, while the Congress act only as a rubber stamp.
With your familiarity only limited to the Singapore experience, can we forgive your naive belief that nothing else can compare to the Singapore ways ?
- Wow, but with the use of bombings to disrupt the election process, of course you won't need any other policies! Dun quote me, quote the Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono speaking after the terror bombings and the Indonesian analysts who say that military was probably involved! They received intelligence of military attempts to disrupt the election process as well as how to oppose the election of Yudhoyon.Notice how the JI has not claimed responsibility for the bombings? Usually they can't wait to claim credit for such things?
Were you watching Black Hawk Down while at the same time reading the news of the recently concluded Indonesian Election ?
If only you allow your small brain to take on one subject at a time, then you will not mix up the events between your addiction with violent videos, from the news report of the recently CONCLUDED Indonesian Election that went about without incidents last week, and from the bombing that occured on Friday, 17 July 2009.
- Wow, but you so conveniently neglect what democracy means to the majority of Indonesian voters who happen to be poor and illiterate. A few rupiah for you to tick this box, get it, farmer? You carry banner and wave flags today with this group of people, some more rupiah for you ok?
What do you know about the Indonesian voters who happen to be poor and illiterate ?
Obviously you know more about the well educated and richer Singaporeans who are discerning enough to resist the promises of neighborhood upgrading schemes - that got the Ruling Party to win 66.6 percent of the votes that came from only 35 percent of the eligible 1.5 million Singaporean Citizens who were supposed to vote ?
Obviously, it was inconvenient for you to admit that 60 percent of the Indonesian Electorates gave their vote of confidence to Bambang Yudhoyono, and from a turnout of approximately 70 percent of the Indonesian population of 170 Million voters.
Obviously, it was inconvenient for you to note that the Indonesian Print and Broadcast Media had a free hand to report about the various Presidential candidates without any controls or pressures from any one group - and was the primary source of information for those whom you believe to be "illiterate and poor".
- Wow, so what's your point, that Singapore prides itself on racial equality? That we go by non-racial persecution policies? Nelson Mandela/South African apartheid ring a bell? American Civil War and Martin Luther King mean anything to you? What's new?
Are you suggesting otherwise ?
Obviously you were not paying attention when you were being taught civics as planned by the PAP.
Then again, obviously you did not read the text of my reply in relation to what sgdiehard had written.
- Wow, a race of people fleeing their country to escape persecution? What's new? What's your point again? The Jews and the Palestines and the Muslims and countless many others have to do that in the course of history. So the Indonesian Chinese worked hard to earn their money. They didn't stop other Indonesians from doing so what. What's your point? Yet they suffered persecution and ethnic crimes, they have no right to self-preservation just cos their skin colour is lighter? Yawn.
Read the text of my reply in relation to what sgdiehard had written.
If you cannot get the drift then try not to let your brain get the better of yourself.
- Wow, you don't know much about international finance do you? Why sign something just cos another country says so? Especially when that something doesn't benefit you! Obviously you dun understand the concept of sovereignty do you?
And you do appreciate this fact better than anyone ?
Obviously, in your haste you forgot that Singapore actually signed a Treaty with Indonesia without any claims to the concept of sovereingty.
Obviously, this concept was convenient when it happened to be so.
Perhaps it was not so convenient now for you to change your position ?
- Wow haven't you heard that the Swiss Govt is headed towards an exciting international law battle with the US Govt over the former's banking secrecy laws that allow rich fat US citizens to evade taxes? Been living in a cave? Don't you know that the prospect of any harmonisation of international finance laws are a million light years away? Ever bothered to ask the Cayman Islands, Luxembourg et al the same questions?
The problem with naivete is that it blurs the ability to grasp time and space, and made worse by the impertinence of a dickhead poking its head in unfamiliar holes.
Obviously, the exuberence of a poppycock has made you less discerning to details before enthusiastically attempt to fight with straws in your hands.
Is Singapore promoting itself as a tax haven that is anywhere near the same status as Switzerland, or the Cayman Islands, or Luxembourg, or Labuan Island ?
If at all, Singapore's position has been dubious at best when the political leadership play a double game that surreptitiously conniving with the crooks from Indonesia and Myanmar, even as it present itself as a respectable figure on the global stage.
- Wow, so M'sia accepts immigrants from any country so long as the skin colour fits a certain darker shade? Skills and rich or not doesn't matter? What's new? Its not our business what, its their sovereign right to do what they want.
Obviously, you are a dickhead stuck in a hole that you just have no clue how to pull yourself out from.
If it is not our business, what does it matter to you what is said about them by anyone ?
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With regards to terrorist operating in Indonesia, the latest bombing attack point to Noording Top, the former deputy to Dr Azahari Hussein who got killed in a shooutout with counter terrorist forces.
http://news.id.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3466074
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Credit should be given to the present Indonesian president for successfully curtailing the terrorist, in 05 Dr Azahari Husein was killed n plenty of terrorist were arrested.
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