Originally posted by angel7030:
OCBC n UOB not GLC ok.
Originally posted by eagle:Unclear details, probably, especially to people looking to be spoonfed.
But all I can tell you is when I posted the same thing in CNA Market Talk forum, i.e. "downwave to 2050", the forumers there understand perfectly. You can go look through the whole 260+ pages of a particular thread there to confirm for yourself.
For those unfamiliar like you, too bad. I'm not touching their money. They have the cognitive ability to discern whether they should believe; they have the control over their money.
Furthermore, if unclear, you can just take out your keyboard and ask. Duh. You will fail in life if everytime you are unclear, you just complain that it is unclear and do nothing about it. Am I as untouchable as the minister?
Lastly, basic common sense will clear up the unclear details with a little more thoughts, especially to those who are followers of STI. Obviously you haven't given it much thought or you aren't even interested in following, in which case, there's nothing more for me to say to you.
Nvm, it's ok if you aren't interested. I have no obligations to explain further to you if you are only seeking to complain. There's totally no necessity for me to share anything learned; I don't need to explain whatever actions I took to earn and profit (or loss) on my own money.
By comparing a sharing post from me on what I would do to my own money, to an explanation given by a minister on what was done on Singaporeans money, and hence committing a logical fallacy, you have clearly lost whatever little respect I had for you.
Firstly, did anyone solicit any respect from anyone in this Speaker's Corner - are you making your own assumptions here, or were you trolling for some respect with your unclear piece printed on 06 Jul 09 9.53AM ?
Secondly, this Speaker's Corner is largely about politics and if you wish to display your prowess with market indices perhaps you could have qualified your response from the beginning.
Clearly, you have wrongly assumed that your post in this Political Forum would be read in the manner you wished as you had experienced in the CNA Market Talk Forum. Duh.
Spoon Feeding ?
It looks like you need to be shown the ropes to avoid the pitfalls of being misread and misunderstood - even by the avid self-indulgent Angel, who had similarly taken your number '2011' for what it is worth in her response on 7 Jul 09 - 11.56AM at the top of Page 3.
My response on 7 Jul 09 4.58AM had shown how your post is as obfuscating as the statements made by Minister Tharman to cover up the US$100 Billion lost - no one is expecting you to accept the same views, and you are not expected to be less intelligent for not holding the same views.
It is doubtful that anyone will wish to spoon feed you with the political reality.
Originally posted by Atobe:
Firstly, did anyone solicit any respect from anyone in this Speaker's Corner - are you making your own assumptions here, or were you trolling for some respect with your unclear piece printed on 06 Jul 09 9.53AM ?
Secondly, this Speaker's Corner is largely about politics and if you wish to display your prowess with market indices perhaps you could have qualified your response from the beginning.
Clearly, you have wrongly assumed that your post in this Political Forum would be read in the manner you wished as you had experienced in the CNA Market Talk Forum. Duh.
Spoon Feeding ?
It looks like you need to be shown the ropes to avoid the pitfalls of being misread and misunderstood - even by the avid self-indulgent Angel, who had similarly taken your number '2011' for what it is worth in her response on 7 Jul 09 - 11.56AM at the top of Page 3.
My response on 7 Jul 09 4.58AM had shown how your post is as obfuscating as the statements made by Minister Tharman to cover up the US$100 Billion lost - no one is expecting you to accept the same views, and you are not expected to be less intelligent for not holding the same views.
It is doubtful that anyone will wish to spoon feed you with the political reality.
Simply put, you are still persisting in your usage of an inappropriate analogy when I have clearly spoonfed you why. Next, I gave you respect because of your response to Gazelle long ago. You do not need to solicit it, but I gave it. Making your own assumptions?
Also, with regards to "are you making your own assumptions here, or were you trolling for some respect with your unclear piece printed on 06 Jul 09 9.53AM ?"
You are already clearly making your own assumptions on the second portion of the sentence. Obviously you are a hypocrite hidden behind the screens; you can do it but others can't???
Clearly, you have wrongly assumed that your post in this Political Forum would be read in the manner you wished as you had experienced in the CNA Market Talk Forum. Duh.
This is the dumbest thing ever. Look at the description of this forum. Does it in anyway mention that it is only for politics?
Also, you said this
Do you think that anyone who is an avid follower of the Stock Indices would have grasp the nuances in the statement made - let alone those who are unfamiliar ?
So now you eat back your earlier words by claiming I assume it would be read in the manner I had experienced in Market Talk forum by avid followers of Stock Indices? How about that on wrongly assuming things?
Your eyes have also clearly failed you that stocks were mentioned on the very first post. There's nothing wrong in giving my thoughts and opinions on it. Yet you can link it to what the ministers are saying???? What other need is there to qualify the response at the start when it is part of the point in the first post made by TS?
It looks more likely the case that you need to be shown the ropes how to turn on basic common sense in your head.
You can call it obfuscating, confusing, anything you like. I don't need or want you to understand anyway. You don't understand anyway too; there are just so many things in this world that can easily obfuscate you.
This isn't even a thread on political reality. And I don't need to be complaining like you on political reality here when I can easily succeed in this system and live on comfortably.
Lastly, by persisting like that even though I have explicitly stated that I do not need you to understand my post, you are putting yourself on the same league as PAP for their tactic of questioning James Gomez in the last elections. Maybe you want to tell me you do not condemn their methods at all, but instead, support it so well that you have to replicate it? Hypocrite.
Just sharing opinions so as to protect forumers here, in case they really think the worst is over and throw too much into stocks. Really... What has Singapore degenerated into? Such that my aim/target of compassion to share my thoughts so that people will be less likely to lose money is also to be questioned and probed?
Originally posted by eagle:
Simply put, you are still persisting in your usage of an inappropriate analogy when I have clearly spoonfed you why. Next, I gave you respect because of your response to Gazelle long ago. You do not need to solicit it, but I gave it. Making your own assumptions?
In the first place, no one solicit for respect from anyone when posting in this SgForums.
This is a place for anyone to post their views, where those with clear views get their message across, and those making unclear or controversial statements will only create trouble for themselves.
Do I have to make any assumptions about solicitation, when you offered your own respect towards others voluntarily ?
In any case, thanks .... but no thanks, it is too much a burden to carry.
Also, with regards to "are you making your own assumptions here, or were you trolling for some respect with your unclear piece printed on 06 Jul 09 9.53AM ?"
You are already clearly making your own assumptions on the second portion of the sentence. Obviously you are a hypocrite hidden behind the screens; you can do it but others can't???
Lets not belabor the point as to who or what started this aspect of "respect" - just look at the various posts and one can see which post had that word printed.
This is the dumbest thing ever. Look at the description of this forum. Does it in anyway mention that it is only for politics?
Obviously, you have missed the front page of SgForums - when you log in at http://www.sgforums.com/
Did you not notice that next to the big bold red lettered SG Forums - there exist some leading sites for you to click on ?
Food Politics Aunt Agony Movies Cars Sports Games and some more others which finally end with …and much more…!
If you had clicked on Politics it would have brought you to the Speaker's Corner, then again - your probably missed this and had clicked the list of short-cuts that brought you to the Speaker's Corner.
Then again, obviously you did not notice that when you arrive at the Speaker's Corner - at the top of the first page, you should have noticed the following:-
Now, what were you asking again ?
Also, you said this
So now you eat back your earlier words by claiming I assume it would be read in the manner I had experienced in Market Talk forum by avid followers of Stock Indices? How about that on wrongly assuming things?
How have I taken back what I have earlier said on Pg 3 - 07 Jul 09 12.23PM which you have quoted now - with what I had printed as a follow-up on Pg 4 - 07 Jul 09 3.23PM ?
"Clearly, you have wrongly assumed that your post in this Political Forum would be read in the manner you wished as you had experienced in the CNA Market Talk Forum. Duh."
Surely, you cannot be so desparate as to intentionaly read things "out-of-context" ?
Your eyes have also clearly failed you that stocks were mentioned on the very first post. There's nothing wrong in giving my thoughts and opinions on it. Yet you can link it to what the ministers are saying???? What other need is there to qualify the response at the start when it is part of the point in the first post made by TS?
You should read again what were the subject matters that was printed in the first post made by TS - it refers largely to the state of the economy based on conflicting opinions, and he gave a list of conflicting circumstances that affect the economy in general (that included stocks).
Your first post on this was on Pg 1 - 05 Jul '09, 11.59PM and followed by the second post on Pg 1 - 06 Jul '09 9.53AM in response to 'novelltie' - with the following that started this exchange:
"With a little more understanding in calculations of waves from EW Principle, I'm estimating that the stock market will actually bottom out in 2011 March...
But the current upwave might last till next year march... However, short term wise, there might be a down wave till 2050"
After my reply on Pg 1 - 06 Jul '09 11.07am, you gave a follow-on reply 06 Jul '09 11.12AM which did not clearly addressed how you arrive at your above statement.
My follow-on reply on Pg 2 - 07 Jul '09 04.58AM seems to have got you on the wrong foot, which had your own admission that it was your mistake as posted in your reply on 07 Jul '09 8.30AM.
My reply on 07 Jul '09 12.23PM had taken issue with your sarcasm about people requiring to be spoonfed, when it was clearly your own mistake in not being clear to have cause the confusion as you have already admitted.
Are you taking back your own admission, while not so cleverly accusing others of taking back words printed - by taking statements out of context ?
It looks more likely the case that you need to be shown the ropes how to turn on basic common sense in your head.
You can call it obfuscating, confusing, anything you like. I don't need or want you to understand anyway. You don't understand anyway too; there are just so many things in this world that can easily obfuscate you.
This isn't even a thread on political reality. And I don't need to be complaining like you on political reality here when I can easily succeed in this system and live on comfortably.
Lastly, by persisting like that even though I have explicitly stated that I do not need you to understand my post, you are putting yourself on the same league as PAP for their tactic of questioning James Gomez in the last elections. Maybe you want to tell me you do not condemn their methods at all, but instead, support it so well that you have to replicate it? Hypocrite.
Just sharing opinions so as to protect forumers here, in case they really think the worst is over and throw too much into stocks. Really... What has Singapore degenerated into? Such that my aim/target of compassion to share my thoughts so that people will be less likely to lose money is also to be questioned and probed?
No one is probing your passion in sharing your thoughts to help others in the same manner in which have been so defensive when others have seen flaws in your response.
If you are looking for an apology for irking you, I will be happy to give one - for whatever it is worth to you, even if you believe there is hypocrisy on my part.
In the first place, no one solicit for respect from anyone when posting in this SgForums.
This is a place for anyone to post their views, where those with clear views get their message across, and those making unclear or controversial statements will only create trouble for themselves.
Do I have to make any assumptions about solicitation, when you offered your own respect towards others voluntarily ?
In any case, thanks .... but no thanks, it is too much a burden to carry.
No worries. You don't have any respect now.
Obviously, you have missed the front page of SgForums - when you log in at http://www.sgforums.com/
Did you not notice that next to the big bold red lettered SG Forums - there exist some leading sites for you to click on ?
Food Politics Aunt Agony Movies Cars Sports Games and some more others which finally end with …and much more…!
If you had clicked on Politics it would have brought you to the Speaker's Corner, then again - your probably missed this and had clicked the list of short-cuts that brought you to the Speaker's Corner.
Then again, obviously you did not notice that when you arrive at the Speaker's Corner - at the top of the first page, you should have noticed the following:-
Speaker's Corner
http://politics.sgforums.com/
Now, what were you asking again ?
Read
Want to make a point? Politics, government, education,...
The name merely reflects the first of all things that can be discussed.
The main thing on this forum is to make a point.
How have I taken back what I have earlier said on Pg 3 - 07 Jul 09 12.23PM which you have quoted now - with what I had printed as a follow-up on Pg 4 - 07 Jul 09 3.23PM ?
"Clearly, you have wrongly assumed that your post in this Political Forum would be read in the manner you wished as you had experienced in the CNA Market Talk Forum. Duh."
Surely, you cannot be so desparate as to intentionaly read things "out-of-context" ?
Clearly evading
You told me avid followers of STI would not be able to understand.
Yet you tell me in the following post that not to expect what I have had experienced in CNA Market Talk forum, a forum for avid followers of STI. This shows you are telling me you realised avid followers of STI would be able to understand.
Try again, incoherent person.
You should read again what were the subject matters that was printed in the first post made by TS - it refers largely to the state of the economy based on conflicting opinions, and he gave a list of conflicting circumstances that affect the economy in general (that included stocks).
Yes, glad that you realised finally that it included stocks.
So there is nothing wrong with sharing my views on the stock markets. DUH
Your first post on this was on Pg 1 - 05 Jul '09, 11.59PM and followed by the second post on Pg 1 - 06 Jul '09 9.53AM in response to 'novelltie' - with the following that started this exchange:
"With a little more understanding in calculations of waves from EW Principle, I'm estimating that the stock market will actually bottom out in 2011 March...
But the current upwave might last till next year march... However, short term wise, there might be a down wave till 2050"
After my reply on Pg 1 - 06 Jul '09 11.07am, you gave a follow-on reply 06 Jul '09 11.12AM which did not clearly addressed how you arrive at your above statement.
My follow-on reply on Pg 2 - 07 Jul '09 04.58AM seems to have got you on the wrong foot, which had your own admission that it was your mistake as posted in your reply on 07 Jul '09 8.30AM.
My reply on 07 Jul '09 12.23PM had taken issue with your sarcasm about people requiring to be spoonfed, when it was clearly your own mistake in not being clear to have cause the confusion as you have already admitted.
Are you taking back your own admission, while not so cleverly accusing others of taking back words printed - by taking statements out of context ?
My follow up reply is to clear any confusion you had. I have admitted for not being clear, because I am indeed talking to people who are not followers of STI. And it is indeed spoonfeeding because even you did not dare to challenge and check out CNA Market Talk forum on whether they will understand what was posted, which I can tell you, they will.
Furthermore, haven't I take steps to attempt to clear up your confusion on my phrasing? Realised only you didn't understand? Do I need to explain to you each and every single word, and how logical it is to avid followers of STI?
You were logical enough to deduce that 2050 isn't the year I was referring to because 2011 was already stated as longer term, yet how come you weren't logical enough to deduce too that it refers to the value of STI when it is on the downtrend at 2280? Isn't that waiting to be spoonfed? Thinking and deducing logics halfway?
Must everything be so clear in black and white like a contract you are going to sign for you to fully comprehend? Is this seriously something that you cannot deduce and comprehend by yourself?
I have never believed in stating things too clearly and fully when educating/sharing, because I strongly believe in an inquiry approach. I still refuse to believe that your brain capacity was insufficient to process what was said properly.
What I am taking issue is your immediate linking with what I posted of my own views to what the XXXXing minister said about what TH has done (explaining away a mistake without admitting it) before confirmation of what was said. And your attitude of liking to link things to PAP in a totally unrelated manner.
No one is probing your passion in sharing your thoughts to help others in the same manner in which have been so defensive when others have seen flaws in your response.
If you are looking for an apology for irking you, I will be happy to give one - for whatever it is worth to you, even if you believe there is hypocrisy on my part.
Yes, I'm looking for an apology for even linking me with that unrelated statement from our minister.
If you were just saying that I'm confusing, or my analysis were wrong, I have zero issues, because I will agree with that. There is no 100% on this.
Originally posted by eagle:
No worries. You don't have any respect now.
Be assured, it is no skin off my nose.
Read
Speaker's Corner
Want to make a point? Politics, government, education,...
The name merely reflects the first of all things that can be discussed.
The main thing on this forum is to make a point.
Did you make your point or any points - when you have admittedly made none that was clear ?
The most essential point from your reply on Pg 2 - 07 Jul '09 - 8.30AM:
yes, it's my mistake for not stating properly and clearly ...........
Clearly evading
You told me avid followers of STI would not be able to understand.
Yet you tell me in the following post that not to expect what I have had experienced in CNA Market Talk forum, a forum for avid followers of STI. This shows you are telling me you realised avid followers of STI would be able to understand.
Try again, incoherent person.
You seem desparate to score with your misleading position.
My reply on Pg 3 - 07 Jul '09 12.23PM - which you insist on taking out of context was:-
Do you think that anyone who is an avid follower of the Stock Indices would have grasp the nuances in the statement made - let alone those who are unfamiliar ?
Firstly, it was not a statement but a question to you.
Secondly, it referred to your statement made in this Speaker's Corner and to "anyone who is an avid follower of the Stock Indices" whom you are addressing in this Speaker's Corner.
Is it not obvious that you should not expect the same level of understanding as those whom you are discussing Stock Indices in a specific CNA Market Talk Forum - which you had boasted ?
Incoherent ?
It looks like you have floated incoherent ideas in the wrong and disconnected forum, when my first response to the TS was consistently about "politics" from Pg 1.
Yes, glad that you realised fially that it included stocks.
So there is nothing wrong with sharing my views on the stock markets. DUH
Yes, the item "stock" was mentioned in passing by TS in the context of a larger political statement about the state of the economy.
Was he discussing in depth about the economy per se - or even about the stocks performance ?
My follow up reply is to clear any confusion you had. I have admitted for not being clear, because I am indeed talking to people who are not followers of STI. And it is indeed spoonfeeding because even you did not dare to challenge and check out CNA Market Talk forum on whether they will understand what was posted, which I can tell you, they will.
The TS had started this thread as a general idea floated to get reaction from any party interested to follow on.
While your approach is with tracking stock indices that was posted in some vague and misleading manner which opened itself to a different interpretation - and clearly you realised it was your own mistake as seen from your own admission - mine was from a political angle.
Even the reply from the seemingly avid stock follower angel7030 in her post on Pg 3 - 07 Jul '09 - 11.56AM had also taken your number 2011 on its face value in her comment :-
by 2011, gosh! the IR is booming and credit will be free like hell, interest rate would had raise, my gosh, you need to shift it now. What SPH! for god sake, printing is not going to be the bull on the run anymore. ST engg,..wow, i better go for Keppel lor
From my further questions to seek her clarification and without any leads given - she developed this further in her response on Pg 4 - 07 Jul '09 1:12PM which confirmed that even an avid stock follower had also not connected with your incoherent words of a subject that you placed in the wrong forum.
You could have been more successful if you had fished for some reaction to your incoherent ideas at the marketplace in this SgForums.
You will probably get more appropriate reactions from the multitude of experts in the different markets found there.
Furthermore, haven't I take steps to attempt to clear up your confusion on my phrasing? Realised only you didn't understand? Do I need to explain to you each and every single word, and how logical it is to avid followers of STI?
No one else seems to be connected with your idea - even noahnoah exchange with you on Pg 2 and Pg 3 clearly showed the confusion caused further in your clarification floated:-
2011?
Where u got the news from?
No news. Is just my expectations from observing charts coupled with what I think of the economy...
It was doubtful that your clarification was clear enough, as it got the next reply from noahnoah on the same Pg 3 - 07 Jul '09 - 12.09PM:
STI stocks come down in late 2010 to 2011?
my friend holding a senior position in ST
he own few lots of shares too
he never tell me will come down in so call later 2010
Did you correct him in his mistaken use of the 2011 stock indices as a period in time ?
No, you even responded on the same Pg 3 - 07 Jul '09 12.18PM
it's just a study of market sentiments, not company fundamentals mah
Of course, to lower my risks, I put most of my money in companies with fundamentals... so in case it fails, I can still keep till STI reaches >3000 again.... still got long way to 3000 leh ;)
What were you thinking ?
Trying to be more incoherent or being hypocritical ?
You were logical enough to deduce that 2050 isn't the year I was referring to because 2011 was already stated as longer term, yet how come you weren't logical enough to deduce too that it refers to the value of STI when it is on the downtrend at 2280? Isn't that waiting to be spoonfed? Thinking and deducing logics halfway?
Must everything be so clear in black and white like a contract you are going to sign for you to fully comprehend? Is this seriously something that you cannot deduce and comprehend by yourself?
Are you being consistent here, or trying to best someone to become more hypocritically incoherent than one whom you have accused to be so ?
Did I deduce that 2050 isn't the year that you were referring to ?
How did you read my question in my reply on Pg 2 - 07 Jul '09 - 4:58AM - which was printed as follows:-
Stock market bottom out in March 2011...yet the current upwave will last till next year March ?
Does the slide begin from March 2010 ?
'Short term wise' - when the prediction is that 'there might be a down wave till 2050' ?
The period - from 2009 till 2050 - is surely quite a short term by any brilliant measure.
Are you now moving away from using the numbers 2011 and 2050 as Stock Indices as insisted in your replies ?
Have you now moved to the common positions taken by noahnoah, angel7030 and myself in seeing your numbers 2011 and 2050 as a reference to the calendar year, and not as stock indices that you wished ?
I have never believed in stating things too clearly and fully when educating/sharing, because I strongly believe in an inquiry approach. I still refuse to believe that your brain capacity was insufficient to process what was said properly.
Is that anyone's fault for your preferred juvenile position taken ?
What I am taking issue is your immediate linking with what I posted of my own views to what the XXXXing minister said about what TH has done (explaining away a mistake without admitting it) before confirmation of what was said. And your attitude of liking to link things to PAP in a totally unrelated manner.
No one criticised your position taken in approaching the thread via the stock indices.
Why should you take issue with my preferred poistion from a political angle ?
My remarks had originated from the unclear contents that you have admitted to, and which was clearly a disconnect to the thread - as was also the same manner in viewing by both noahnoah and angel7030 (who has shown herself to be an avid stock chaser).
Is your standard sufficient for anyone to adopt, when clearly you are below your own ambitious par ?
Yes, I'm looking for an apology for even linking me with that unrelated statement from our minister.
If you were just saying that I'm confusing, or my analysis were wrong, I have zero issues, because I will agree with that. There is no 100% on this.
Nobody said that you were confused, or your analysis was wrong.
It was the contents that you have presented that clearly showed the art of obfuscating - similar to what the PAP Ministers had shown themselves to be more capabable artists than you possibly can imitate.
Can you measure anywhere near them, when you clearly admit your own error about the confusion that your statement had caused ?
You are surely a juvenile to expect any apology from one whom you see as a hypocrite - is there any value in your expectations ?
Do you have any values ?
A long reply which I'm sure you have taken great pains and time to type out, but I'm not going to read it at all, just to let you waste your time since you have so much to waste.
You can play with the words all you like. I will just earn my cash and let you complain, while paying increasingly higher bills to increase local company profits, which eventually some will filter into my pockets through dividends.
Do carry on complaining here only "D
btw, this post was already typed out in notepad, awaiting your long reply, before I copy and paste here
oh, I forgot to add that we have to congratulate Atobe for being the next lionnoisy to come in to disrupt the thread by bringing it off-tangent
Originally posted by eagle:I still believe that the full impact is not here yet, which is the main reason why I'm working hard to saving more, and investing mostly in defensive dividend-yielding equities, e.g. EGW, telco, ST Engg, SPH. Recession a not, people still need to use gas, water, electricity... many still use newspapers, telephone, and SAF still need ST Engg to provide equipments... No need to complain about rise in prices, because any rise to increase profits will result in higher DPU for the equities; I get the 'rebates' back.
A lot of spending now comes probably from the huge corrective Primary Wave B that many has profitted from after entering in Mar lows.
This is interesting.
Seems like funds are moving money into the defensive counters like St Engg, SPH and Starhub today
Quite likely a sign that financial institutions do not expect recession to be over by tradition... Do take note.
Originally posted by eagle:A long reply which I'm sure you have taken great pains and time to type out, but I'm not going to read it at all, just to let you waste your time since you have so much to waste.
You can play with the words all you like. I will just earn my cash and let you complain, while paying increasingly higher bills to increase local company profits, which eventually some will filter into my pockets through dividends.
Do carry on complaining here only "D
btw, this post was already typed out in notepad, awaiting your long reply, before I copy and paste here
Another boast from a juvenile attempting to play a big man's role ?
If you have not been paying close attention to this thread would you be so prompt to send in your response in less then 20 minutes after each of my post ?
Clearly, your delinquency at the work station was being exposed besides the hollow ring in each of your reply when there is no basis for all your responses.
If you have no interest to respond, why follow-up with another two replies after this posted at 1:57PM, the second one at 2:00PM and the third at 2:53PM ?
Originally posted by eagle:oh, I forgot to add that we have to congratulate Atobe for being the next lionnoisy to come in to disrupt the thread by bringing it off-tangent
How ironical that you should be accusing others to be the "noisy pussy" - when you have already shown yourself to be a master in the art of obstrufication ?
Did you find no where to post your Stock Indices even at the marketplace in this SgForums and decide to continue logging into this thread ?
Or did the juvenile charlaton investor - lost the eagle eyed sight - got skinned by others with better acumen then your theoretically juvenile understanding of the market place ?
Another juvenile attempt at deflecting your own errors at posting off-tangent topic onto others ?
Extracted from eagle's post on 08 Jul '09 - 2:53PM
Originally posted by eagle:
I still believe that the full impact is not here yet, which is the main reason why I'm working hard to saving more, and investing mostly in defensive dividend-yielding equities, e.g. EGW, telco, ST Engg, SPH. Recession a not, people still need to use gas, water, electricity... many still use newspapers, telephone, and SAF still need ST Engg to provide equipments... No need to complain about rise in prices, because any rise to increase profits will result in higher DPU for the equities; I get the 'rebates' back.
A lot of spending now comes probably from the huge corrective Primary Wave B that many has profitted from after entering in Mar lows.
Originally posted by eagle:
This is interesting.
Seems like funds are moving money into the defensive counters like St Engg, SPH and Starhub today
Quite likely a sign that financial institutions do not expect recession to be over by tradition... Do take note.
Singapore Tyrannosaur has labelled the "noisy pussy" as a "sock puppet" for replying to his own posts.
Is it not odd that the eagle should practise the typical style of "noisy pussy" way of quoting from himself and maing a reply to his own post ?
Yet the eagle will make a juvenile claim about others being the "noisy pussy" when he indulges in the despicable art of "sock puppet" postings.
This is pure juvenile effort at play to deflect his own errors that keep getting deeper with each reply posted.
yawns
Atobe hard at work at wasting his time
From the time I mentioned, ST Engg rose another few cents breaking it's $2.50 resistance, SPH rose too, despite STI being red
Guess he's jealous
Come to think of it, I feel so honoured Atobe actually bothered to read my posts. I thought Atobe had said my posts were confusing. Wonder if he can't understand, then read for what?
I would still want to point out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession
In recessions, people also talk about properties and stocks on top of politics. Clearly, a certain forumer here without much knowledge just have to come and bring this topic off-tangent
Originally posted by eagle:yawns
Atobe hard at work at wasting his time
From the time I mentioned, ST Engg rose another few cents breaking it's $2.50 resistance, SPH rose too, despite STI being red
Guess he's jealous
I am surprise that you should be hugging onto to your screen and make such a prompt reply in less then 3 minutes from my last post at 4:29PM - and at 2 to 8 minutes intervals.
You must have been waiting anxiously for what is coming up next.
Are you being lame in making these pathetic juvenile assumptions about others being jealous of your few cents achieved every few minutes ?
Perhaps you are unconciously telling others of your own envy about the abilities of those more talented than you, while you have to sweat with your investments that give you the juvenile satisfaction of a few cents earned a minute ?
If you are a real investor why play with the penny stocks ?
We should be hearing you making some daring bids for City Development when it has gone down, or hedge on the banking sectors, or even some of the commodities counters.
Still showing your juvenile side in attempting to fit into some oversized shoes.
Originally posted by Atobe:
I am surprise that you should be hugging onto to your screen and make such a prompt reply in less then 3 minutes from my last post at 4:29PM.You must have been waiting anxiously for what is coming up next.
Are you being lame in making these pathetic juvenile assumptions about others being jealous of your few cents achieved every few minutes ?
Perhaps you are unconciously telling others of your own envy about the abilities of those more talented than you, while you have to sweat with your investments that give you the juvenile satisfaction of a few cents earned a minute ?
If you are a real investor why play with the penny stocks ?
We should be hearing you making some daring bids for City Development when it has gone down, or hedge on the banking sectors, or even some of the commodities counters.
Still showing your juvenile side in attempting to fit into some oversized shoes.
I just have to quote this to show your incomplete knowledge
If you are a real investor why play with the penny stocks ?
So Atobe considers ST Engg, SPH, Starhub to be penny stocks wor
More to come I suppose
Guess you didn't know a few cents increase multiplied by the number of shares owned is equal to what some people earn in a week?
I've already mentioned my strategy. Can't believe you could be so dumb to talk about daring bids or hedging... You have been too influenced by our ministers
Finally, investors don't do daring bids. They invest for value
Originally posted by eagle:I just have to quote this to show your incomplete knowledge
So Atobe considers ST Engg, SPH, Starhub to be penny stocks wor
More to come I suppose
For the juvenile investors, $1.00 to $3.00 a share earning a few cents movement is big time investment.
What else can we say ?
Perhaps you should learn something from Mr Oei Hong Leong - if you want to talk big, walk the talk at least.
Originally posted by Atobe:
For the juvenile investors, $1.00 to $3.00 a share earning a few cents movement is big time investment.What else can we say ?
Perhaps you should learn something from Mr Oei Hong Leong - if you want to talk big, walk the talk at least.
No no no
I'm still pointing to you saying that playing with St engg, SPH and Starhub is playing with penny stocks
Can't stop laughing... how do you define penny stocks?
For the juvenile investors, $1.00 to $3.00 a share earning a few cents movement is big time investment.
Just from this sentence, one can see that you don't even understand the difference between big (or small) percentage movements vs big (or small) time investments.
Edit in: Do you also know that when we talk about $1 shares, we are talking at least $1k in trades because people usually buy in lots, and 1 lot = 1000 shares?
And oh ya, Mr Oei made a big hoo-ha about buying AIG. He did it <$3. Try again with another example.
And well, do you even know my entry price?
Talk about making assumptions
I am surprise that you should be hugging onto to your screen and make such a prompt reply in less then 3 minutes from my last post at 4:29PM - and at 2 to 8 minutes intervals.
I guess you didn't know just refreshing new topics alone, I will be able to see when you reply?
You must be so bored to even bother counting the minutes
seow lah. One talks stock and one talks politics, how to communicate lah.
Originally posted by Seowlah:seow lah. One talks stock and one talks politics, how to communicate lah.
lol
All are part of the normal talks during recessions mah
Originally posted by eagle:No no no
I'm still pointing to you saying that playing with St engg, SPH and Starhub is playing with penny stocks
Can't stop laughing... how do you define penny stocks?
Just from this sentence, one can see that you don't even understand the difference between big (or small) percentage movements vs big (or small) time investments.
And oh ya, Mr Oei made a big hoo-ha about buying AIG. He did it <$3. Try again with another example.
And well, do you even know my entry price?
Talk about making assumptions
Another 3 minute interval from my last post - you are anxious as a puppy, are you certain you can hold yourself together when the stocks head south ?
Do we need to make any assumptions when you are turning pink with glee making a few cents and gloating over big percentages ?
That was exactly what the Ministers are attempting to obfuscate with their justification in losing US$100 Billion talking about the percentages gained in the big picture, over the longer period.
And you were saying something about not linking you to the XXXXing ministers ?
With your doubtful value system as was seen in your failed replies - what do you know about Mr Oei as a player in high value investments compared to your penny movements and shouting with glee in big percentage jumps ?
It shows again your juvenile attempt at boasting with what little portfolio that you can manage to scrape together.
Has it not been the case of empty vessels making the most noise ?
Originally posted by Seowlah:
seow lah. One talks stock and one talks politics, how to communicate lah.
Exactly, at least some one who is "seow lah" is more rooted to the ground even without the eagle's eye to differentiate the values of what is posted.
A bird brain will always be a "bird brain".
Originally posted by Atobe:
Another 3 minute interval from my last post - you are anxious as a puppy, are you certain you can hold yourself together when the stocks head south ?
Do we need to make any assumptions when you are turning pink with glee making a few cents and gloating over big percentages ?
That was exactly what the Ministers are attempting to obfuscate with their justification in losing US$100 Billion talking about the percentages gained in the picture, over the longer period.
And you were saying something about not linking you to the XXXXing ministers ?
With your doubtful value system as was seen in your failed replies - what do you know about Mr Oei as a player in high value investments compared to your penny movements and shouting with glee in big percentage jumps ?
It shows again your juvenile attempt at boasting with what little portfolio that you can manage to scrape together.
Has it not been the case of empty vessels making the most noise ?
Talk more about making assumptions
Do you even know my portfolio?
Try again with more solid facts.
Can't even define penny stocks for me then try to talk big here
Maybe you also dun understand the theory that if you buy at the lows, you don't need to worry about it going much more south. Maybe you also dun understand the theory of if you buy fundamentally sound (and govt supported) companies, also no worries about it going south. Maybe maybe maybe
Seriously, the more you post now, the more you are displaying your lack of knowledge.
It's possible too that you are refreshing every minute in anticipation, yet takes twenty minutes to type out some rubbish, and finally declare that you didn't do that?
So how? Perhaps you can enlighten us on why St Engg, SPH and Starhub are rated penny stocks by you
One more thing
High value investments by Mr Oei? Maybe you want to be like him to make a big hoo-ha about donating his earnings, then make a second big hoo-ha to tell the world that he has lost a lot of money and suing Citibank.
Wait... Do you even know what is high-value investments?
Originally posted by Atobe:
Exactly, at least some one who is "seow lah" is more rooted to the ground even without the eagle's eye to differentiate the values of what is posted.
A bird brain will always be a "bird brain".
Wow, I'm amazed you stand by Gazelle's side in using the same terms