Dr. Mahathir Mohamad's blog
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THE MODERN MIDDLE KINGDOM II
1. I am gratified that so many Singaporeans know minute details regarding the price of water (raw and treated) and the negotiations that took place.
2. True, I did not negotiate successfully the increase of the 3 sen per 1000 gallons of raw water. You know why? If we demand an increase to 6 sen (100%), Singapore would increase the treated water price to RM1.00 (100%). Of course if we increase to RM6.00 Singapore would demand an increase to 50 x 2000% = RM100.00.
3. Yes, Malaysia profited by buying treated water at 50 sen. Malaysia's entitlement was only 12% of the raw water it sold to Singapore. The cost of treatment is not RM2.40 as alleged. It was only RM1.20. However, since the Singapore dollar has appreciated against the Malaysian Ringgit from being at par to RM2.40, the same cost to Singapore would now be about 2.4 times the original RM1.20.
4. By the same token, when Singapore pays 3 sen to Malaysians, in Singapore dollars it is only 0.42 sen (less than 1 sen for 1000 gallons).
5. At the original cost agreed upon Malaysia benefited by 70 sen per 1000 gallons of treated water but only on 12% of the raw water sold.
6. Assuming that Malaysia sells 100 million gallons to Singapore, it would pay RM3,000. Malaysia's purchase of 12,000,000 gallons would be RM6,000. Despite the discount, Malaysia would have to pay Singapore RM6,000 while Singapore would pay Malaysia RM3,000. It looks like Singapore would pay Malaysia with the money it earns from selling water to Malaysia and still have money to spare.
7. The negotiations failed because Singapore wanted more water beyond 2060. We could not agree to commit the future generations of Malaysians to something that could be to their disadvantage.
8. The price of treated water to the citizens of Singapore is very high compared to the 0.42 of one sen paid by Singapore for 1000 gallons plus the cost of treatment.
9. It is clear that for every day the water agreement remains in place, the Singapore Government stands to gain a huge sum of money from selling water to the people of Singapore.
10. By 2011 the first agreement would lapse. But the second agreement would lapse only in 2060. Singapore can enjoy 0.42 of one cent per 1000 gallons for another 51 years.
11. Since the present Malaysian Government has generously decided to stop discussions with Singapore on all outstanding issues, Singapore would continue to benefit from all the outstanding issues with Malaysia. Yet Malaysia willingly gave up its naval base at Woodlands without asking for any compensation for the facilities owned by Malaysia there.
12. Lee Kuan Yew is right. By Malaysian Government's consent Malaysia is Singapore's hinterland and subject to Singapore Government's largesse. Singaporeans need not worry. You will continue to pay 0.42% of 1 sen for 1000 gallons of raw water until 2060. It is Malaysia's gift to Singapore. -
Originally posted by Ah Chia:
THE MODERN MIDDLE KINGDOM II
1. I am gratified that so many Singaporeans know minute details regarding the price of water (raw and treated) and the negotiations that took place.
2. True, I did not negotiate successfully the increase of the 3 sen per 1000 gallons of raw water. You know why? If we demand an increase to 6 sen (100%), Singapore would increase the treated water price to RM1.00 (100%). Of course if we increase to RM6.00 Singapore would demand an increase to 50 x 2000% = RM100.00.
3. Yes, Malaysia profited by buying treated water at 50 sen. Malaysia's entitlement was only 12% of the raw water it sold to Singapore. The cost of treatment is not RM2.40 as alleged. It was only RM1.20. However, since the Singapore dollar has appreciated against the Malaysian Ringgit from being at par to RM2.40, the same cost to Singapore would now be about 2.4 times the original RM1.20.4. By the same token, when Singapore pays 3 sen to Malaysians, in Singapore dollars it is only 0.42 sen (less than 1 sen for 1000 gallons).
5. At the original cost agreed upon Malaysia benefited by 70 sen per 1000 gallons of treated water but only on 12% of the raw water sold.
6. Assuming that Malaysia sells 100 million gallons to Singapore, it would pay RM3,000. Malaysia's purchase of 12,000,000 gallons would be RM6,000. Despite the discount, Malaysia would have to pay Singapore RM6,000 while Singapore would pay Malaysia RM3,000. It looks like Singapore would pay Malaysia with the money it earns from selling water to Malaysia and still have money to spare.
7. The negotiations failed because Singapore wanted more water beyond 2060. We could not agree to commit the future generations of Malaysians to something that could be to their disadvantage.
8. The price of treated water to the citizens of Singapore is very high compared to the 0.42 of one sen paid by Singapore for 1000 gallons plus the cost of treatment.
9. It is clear that for every day the water agreement remains in place, the Singapore Government stands to gain a huge sum of money from selling water to the people of Singapore.
10. By 2011 the first agreement would lapse. But the second agreement would lapse only in 2060. Singapore can enjoy 0.42 of one cent per 1000 gallons for another 51 years.
11. Since the present Malaysian Government has generously decided to stop discussions with Singapore on all outstanding issues, Singapore would continue to benefit from all the outstanding issues with Malaysia. Yet Malaysia willingly gave up its naval base at Woodlands without asking for any compensation for the facilities owned by Malaysia there.
12. Lee Kuan Yew is right. By Malaysian Government's consent Malaysia is Singapore's hinterland and subject to Singapore Government's largesse. Singaporeans need not worry. You will continue to pay 0.42% of 1 sen for 1000 gallons of raw water until 2060. It is Malaysia's gift to Singapore.Keep your friggin water to yourself when the contract ends. May you drown in it, if not by the liquid, then by the corruption your cronies would have charged to your own fellow citizens for the construction, maintenance and its reliability, not to mention the efficiency, and rob them blind.
Your only gift to us Singaporeans was the certain fate of death from hunger and thirst, which our forefathers had fortunately worked and struggled hard to change, and had truimph against your corrupted, authoritative squandership of your nation...ooops...typo...leadership.
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He should have sticked to being a physician.
thats how a physician turned politician turned out to be like him
out of touch w reality and a sore old man
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He does give some pretty good insights but he gets awfully touchy when Singapore is mentioned.
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Whats the big deal?
Its not forever, its only for the duration of the agreement period.
Just wait.
And then Malaysia can call the shots.
And then these fellas here, will have a field day.
They'll say it must be LKY's fault.
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Malaysiakini news on the ugly hidden sides of Singapore.
http://malaysiakini.com/letters/107991
http://malaysiakini.com/letters/107799
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blogs like this are only going to cause a war to happen. Furthermore from a highly religious country, this isn't going to go well.
Answers pour in as to why Singapore's military expenditure is so high after realizing that.
I respect Msia's potential to be Truly Asia. It has all the resources most of Asia wants and needs but its often met by useless and unsightful leaders. It is a truly beautiful country, non-urban wise.
There are countless proofs that his calculations are WRONG and that indeed Singapore is on the losing end of this agreement. Spinning stories just ain't gonna benefit both sides.
Sigh...I will stay and fight for Singapore, anytime, anyday.
Read the blog's comments. One Malaysian even suggested selling Johore to Singapore.
I wonder if its possible for Singapore to heavily invest in Johore to a state whereby Johore would be heavily dependent on Singapore and Singaporeans will slowly flow in and occupy the state's population and then if by any chance, a sale or a war could take place and Johore will fall to Singapore?
I read up one of the comments on a comment poster on his blog regarding the crooked bridge.
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HDB needs to go into Johore for cheap land. Build flats and sell to Singapore citizens at 'subsidise' rates.
I think Singapore can cramp more than 20 million citizens into Johore.
Imagine how much the neighbouring countries can benefit from this.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
THE MODERN MIDDLE KINGDOM II
1. I am gratified that so many Singaporeans know minute details regarding the price of water (raw and treated) and the negotiations that took place.
2. True, I did not negotiate successfully the increase of the 3 sen per 1000 gallons of raw water. You know why? If we demand an increase to 6 sen (100%), Singapore would increase the treated water price to RM1.00 (100%). Of course if we increase to RM6.00 Singapore would demand an increase to 50 x 2000% = RM100.00.
3. Yes, Malaysia profited by buying treated water at 50 sen. Malaysia's entitlement was only 12% of the raw water it sold to Singapore. The cost of treatment is not RM2.40 as alleged. It was only RM1.20. However, since the Singapore dollar has appreciated against the Malaysian Ringgit from being at par to RM2.40, the same cost to Singapore would now be about 2.4 times the original RM1.20.
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I think Dr M is wrong.It should be 2%.
B - The Tebrau and Scudai Rivers Water Agreement between the Johore State Government and City Council of Singapore signed on 1 September 1961 >>>
C - The Johore River Water Agreement between the Johore State Government and City Council of Singapore signed on 29 September 1962 >>>
2.Dr M is always not equipped with facts!!
When Dr M was in power,he admitted in a letter to LKY that he
am not quite familiar with the various agreemets
Well.There were few doznes of personal assistants under his disposal
and he was not quite familiar.What a lie!!
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3.I suggest u guys pl think very carefully before u write here.
or else this thread will be closed.
Pl re visit the saga by reading the lettes between LKY and Dr M
etc.Very interesting.U can see Dr M took very long long time to reply!!
4.Singapore did agree increase the price of water,as a package
Correspondences
A - Agreed Items between Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew and Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad at their four-eye meeting on 15 August 2000 >>>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
5.Currently,sg just import not more than 40% of her need from MY.
It drops from 50% 10 years ago.
The boss of Hyflux (not the MY girl turned into one of richest woman in SG!!)
said in a slide presentations that SG imports one third currently.
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references
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna/parliament/relations/documents.htm
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna/parliament/relations/pdf/vol1_c.pdf
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To those who insist to build the bridge, pls consider these:
1. Ships still cannot sail in, there is already the second causeway blocking at the West. Take a look at any MY/SG Map (http://www.maplandia.com/singapore/)
2. The Johor Strait is very shallow and narrow, it does not allow most ships to sail
3. The Johor Strait is a LONGER distance to sail from West to East or vice versa, the shallow and narrow water makes sea vehicles sail slower. Doesnt make economical sense for ship owners. Check the map again.
4. Under international law, a country cannot unilaterally run a bridge across another country. It needs consensus from both parties.
5. You cannot unilaterally join your new bridge into Singapore, if you cut the water pipe, Singapore has right to declare war.
6. Having the bridge will not improve traffic flow. The problem is with customs management.
7. How on earth will having the bridge improve economy? Please explain."
Makes sense doesn't it. Then why are the Malaysians still so keen on building it?
Sg wins in terms of Military power. Surely the Msians won't dare to declare war?