I pity Singaporeans
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Originally posted by tERMINATOR20000000:
EITHER U WIN OR DIE!NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!I FOLLOW CODE OF BUSHIDO...GOVERMENT FOLLOW CODE OF BULLSHITWILLDO ISIT??SO MUCH LOSSES COMPARED TO OTHER ECONOMY AND STILL WANNA SHOW FACE?NOT SO EASY THEY RESIGN OR SAY THEY DUN WANNA PLAY ANYMORE.
Go hang yourself lah -
TO ANGEL:
IM ALREADY DEAD.
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Originally posted by tERMINATOR20000000:
TO ANGEL:
IM ALREADY DEAD.
you are dead man walking.
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TO ANGEL:
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE TACKLED BY A DEAD MAN???U KNOW IM A SKELETON TOUCHING AND GROPING ALL OF YOUR SHAPELY BREASTS AND OTHER MEATY PARTS.
YESSS....PICTURE A SKELETON TOUCHING AND HUGGING YOU A BEAUTIFUL SHAPELY GIRL.A SKELETON DEAD PERSON HAVING SEX WITH U.IM IN HELL!
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TO MARC....
DEAD MEN WALK...........DEAD MEN EAT............DEAD MEN HAVE SEX.
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Originally posted by tERMINATOR20000000:
civil servant>>>>civil as in civilised and thus meaning to be more human and caring not only to fellow sporeans in your country but to all liviing things as well.servant as a worker for the society and the entire organisation target and purpose.
I have to take issue on your term for those working in the civil service as 'servants'.
No doubt their responsibility is to serve our society, but they are not 'servants' in the sense of the word as it would suggest - a master/labourer relationship.
These 'servants' as you call it, are our fellow citizens in our society where ALL ARE EQUAL. They need not bow to anyone nor do we need to bow to them. We ARE NOT their masters, that we can dictate and demand them to do our bidding at our whims and fancies as we would do to our foreign maids.
They are us, our equals, pay taxes just like anyone of us, with the ability to discern whom to vote for or against for the sake of themselves and their next generations.
The only difference between them and us citizens is ONLY the higher responsibility that they had to undertake, to help in the administration of our nation, based on the result of our collective majority vote on whom should be the head administrator of our country, whom has the mandate of the people to decide on policies and the authority to define and demand the varied tasks expected from the civil service.
My point - Civil service are not foreign maids to be at your personal beck and order. They too are our equals and should be praised if they had done well, respected if they performed admirably on behalf of us all, or ostracized if they had done wrong and proven so in a court of law.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
I have to take issue on your term for those working in the civil service as 'servants'.
No doubt their responsibility is to serve our society, but they are not 'servants' in the sense of the word as it would suggest - a master/labourer relationship.
These 'servants' as you call it, are our fellow citizens in our society where ALL ARE EQUAL. They need not bow to anyone nor do we need to bow to them. We ARE NOT their masters, that we can dictate and demand them to do our bidding at our whims and fancies as we would do to our foreign maids.
They are us, our equals, pay taxes just like anyone of us, with the ability to discern whom to vote for or against for the sake of themselves and their next generations.
The only difference between them and us citizens is ONLY the higher responsibility that they had to undertake, to help in the administration of our nation, based on the result of our collective majority vote on whom should be the head administrator of our country, whom has the mandate of the people to decide on policies and the authority to define and demand the varied tasks expected from the civil service.
My point - Civil service are not foreign maids to be at your personal beck and order. They too are our equals and should be praised if they had done well, respected if they performed admirably on behalf of us all, or ostracized if they had done wrong and proven so in a court of law.
I'm taking issue at your sentence as well.
I have to take issue on your term for those working in the civil service as 'servants'.
If they are not servants, then explain the terms civil servants and public servants? Thanks.
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Originally posted by eagle:
I'm taking issue at your sentence as well.
If they are not servants, then explain the terms civil servants and public servants? Thanks.
You are most free to take issue at my sentence, as is your right and your perceptions.
Is a bulldog a cross between a bull and a dog genetically and physically? Is the famous Whitehouse a house that is pure white and that's all that it symbolizes?
No. To argue on the term is perpetuate another long senseless debate and diatribe non ending posts on semantics, of which I have not the time nor the inclination for. The critical issue is not the term, but how it is define and perceived.I leave you to you perceptions on terms. But should you wish a debate on how it should be define, i would be more than willing to discuss further with you, should time permits.
Till then, have a nice day.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
You are most free to take issue at my sentence, as is your right and your perceptions.
Is a bulldog a cross between a bull and a dog genetically and physically? Is the famous Whitehouse a house that is pure white and that's all that it symbolizes?
No. To argue on the term is perpetuate another long senseless debate and diatribe non ending posts on semantics, of which I have not the time nor the inclination for. The critical issue is not the term, but how it is define and perceived.I leave you to you perceptions on terms. But should you wish a debate on how it should be define, i would be more than willing to discuss further with you, should time permits.
Till then, have a nice day.
A long passage that beats around the bush and doesn't even address the basic question posed (as usual -.-")
The term is not even debatable. It is there for ages. Go check your dictionary, or if you want, go challenge and prove the dictionaries wrong.
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Originally posted by eagle:
A long passage that beats around the bush and doesn't even address the basic question posed (as usual -.-")
The term is not even debatable. It is there for ages. Go check your dictionary, or if you want, go challenge and prove the dictionaries wrong.
Hi Eagle,
I dont want to come into you and xtreyier..but i do think civil servant can be define as 'people serving' people. the people is whoever is living in Singapore. Their work is to contribute and assist the people living in Singapore.That why they are called Civil Servant.I do understand your gudge and i hope that u can think more rationale, Servant is a big word, our ministers and MP, People working in the jails,police, Armed Forces, ICA,President are all civil servants..but they arent those who go to your house and clean up the rubbish in your house. Of couse i have to agreed that bad eggs do exist in the civil service, but can you name me an organisation without bad eggs.
kindly give some respect to our civil servants..
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Originally posted by citymax:
Hi Eagle,
I dont want to come into you and xtreyier..but i do think civil servant can be define as 'people serving' people. the people is whoever is living in Singapore. Their work is to contribute and assist the people living in Singapore.That why they are called Civil Servant.I do understand your gudge and i hope that u can think more rationale, Servant is a big word, our ministers and MP, People working in the jails,police, Armed Forces, ICA,President are all civil servants..but they arent those who go to your house and clean up the rubbish in your house. Of couse i have to agreed that bad eggs do exist in the civil service, but can you name me an organisation without bad eggs.
kindly give some respect to our civil servants..
Hi,
1st, which sentence did I not give respect to our civil servants? Pardon me if I gave you that impression. Pls kindly point out and I will amend it. Thanks. Also, I don't have much complains or grudges, so I don't really understand what you meant by you understand my grudges. Do kindly clear my misunderstandings as well :D
2nd, even those who clean up rubbish around the estate are unsung heroes and to be respected. And they are actually much more polite than most Singaporeans.
3rd, even foreign maids are to be respected. His sentence of "We ARE NOT their masters, that we can dictate and demand them to do our bidding at our whims and fancies as we would do to our foreign maids" really shows his attitude and nature.
Maids are here to do their job as maids, not do biddings at their employer's whims and fancies. It's totally wrong. He has no respect for maids that come here. He also gives the impression that he's just a little kid who commands his maid to pour water for him, help him change clothes, carry his schoolbag for him to and from school...
In short, xtreyier has used a very very wrong analogy (with foreign maids).
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oic..sorry.no offend.
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Originally posted by charlize:
You need to compare average salaries too.
Last time, a 3 room flat costs less than 20K. Now it can be sold for 200K or more.
How much does a fresh grad earn now compared to 20 years ago?
10x more?
Note I am using the top end of earners ie grads and not even talking about the lower wage earners.
Even if people claim that grads will be earning more after 10 years of working, what about the rest of the technicians, kopitiam workers, cleaners, garden "specialist", dishwasher, clerks, sales assistant etc?
If HDB is priced out for the majority of the lower income earners, this will become a social issue not just an economic one.
Well said. Do new grads earns 10x more?
How are we to progress up the ladder when the rungs higher up are occupied by FT?
With loans to pay back for education, money to pay maids to look after folks at home, expensive medical bills to pay, what's balance to get marry and have kids?
Any ladies interested to marry debt ridden single and stay with my folks? Hardworking, no vice and do not smoke.
Money only own to banks not ah long.
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TO XTREIYER:
EH?THIS ENGLISH TERMS PEOPLE MADE FROM START SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO IN ENGLISHH SCHOOLS.THOSE PEOPLE WERKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT ARE CALLED CIVIL SERVANTS.THOSE AERE ENGLISH TERMS!
DUN NEED TO BOW OR ANYTHING....EVEBN MAIDS DUN DO DAT.
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i really pity singaporeans, even a term civil servant also want to argue...haiz!
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no joke, domestic maid are not cover by employment act, there is no act to protect them, this lead to expliotation by both employers and agencies. And due to their naiveness and lower education, they are easy prey for slavery.
I do not understand why asian employers way of treating maid is so much different from our western counterparts. If you give option to any maid to choose either a westerner employer or an asian one,..i bet they go to the westerner. Becos the westerner knows how to respect human basic and employees rights, most maid working under them work as per normal a singaporean worker work. Same as my maid, i only allow her to work from 8 to 5pm, Saturday half day and sunday off. Anything more i will paid her more. But she also told me her colleagues work ng for a typical singaporeans have to work all days non stop..really pity them.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
no joke, domestic maid are not cover by employment act, there is no act to protect them, this lead to expliotation by both employers and agencies. And due to their naiveness and lower education, they are easy prey for slavery.
I do not understand why asian employers way of treating maid is so much different from our western counterparts. If you give option to any maid to choose either a westerner employer or an asian one,..i bet they go to the westerner. Becos the westerner knows how to respect human basic and employees rights, most maid working under them work as per normal a singaporean worker work. Same as my maid, i only allow her to work from 8 to 5pm, Saturday half day and sunday off. Anything more i will paid her more. But she also told me her colleagues work ng for a typical singaporeans have to work all days non stop..really pity them.
Sometimes, when people screams for equality and freedom what they really want is to be more equal and more free than those around them. -
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Sometimes, when people screams for equality and freedom what they really want is to be more equal and more free than those around them.
becos maid are not covered by the maximium 44hrs per week rule in the employment act, in france it is only 38 hrs per week. That is where i see some poor maid have to work both in her madam house, wash car, and then at nite go to madam's mother house to clean up, wow!! this is slavery... -
Originally posted by angel7030:
becos maid are not covered by the maximium 44hrs per week rule in the employment act, in france it is only 38 hrs per week. That is where i see some poor maid have to work both in her madam house, wash car, and then at nite go to madam's mother house to clean up, wow!! this is slavery...
Meh i have seen maids working in big bungalows where they have to beg for food from the neighbours over the wall because their employers locked up the house, went for holidays and "forgot" to stock up on food for the maid. -
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Meh i have seen maids working in big bungalows where they have to beg for food from the neighbours over the wall because their employers locked up the house, went for holidays and "forgot" to stock up on food for the maid.
damn, but i know some maid are also damn lazy one,..actually the master is ok, it is usually the wife or so call madams, most got some phycho problem with maid, the way they scold the maid is so terrible, it only encourage her childrens to do the same to the maid.If you think you maid is no good, give her a chance, counsel her, if still cannot, send her back to agency and get a new one, maid are not people for you to scold, pinch and torture, they are to serve you and you paid them for their services, no different from hotel services.
I am thinking of setting up a domestic maid centre to help all these poor soul
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when my bro maid came my house
can watch tv and read st also
damm it..she from phil
her english v power de
almost going to U liao
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
when my bro maid came my house
can watch tv and read st also
damm it..she from phil
her english v power de
almost going to U liao
so yr bro got chance, why u dun date her
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Originally posted by angel7030:
no joke, domestic maid are not cover by employment act, there is no act to protect them, this lead to expliotation by both employers and agencies. And due to their naiveness and lower education, they are easy prey for slavery.
I do not understand why asian employers way of treating maid is so much different from our western counterparts. If you give option to any maid to choose either a westerner employer or an asian one,..i bet they go to the westerner. Becos the westerner knows how to respect human basic and employees rights, most maid working under them work as per normal a singaporean worker work. Same as my maid, i only allow her to work from 8 to 5pm, Saturday half day and sunday off. Anything more i will paid her more. But she also told me her colleagues work ng for a typical singaporeans have to work all days non stop..really pity them.
Chinese employers tend to be more stingy and stricter. They are the ones who are more fussy with the way things can be done. One drop of money means one drop of blood. I'm also a Chinese myself and I'm not trying to be so racial but this is what I have observed. This also happens in HK as well.
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Originally posted by dare82:
Chinese employers tend to be more stingy and stricter. They are the ones who are more fussy with the way things can be done. One drop of money means one drop of blood. I'm also a Chinese myself and I'm not trying to be so racial but this is what I have observed. This also happens in HK as well.
How do the words 'stingy' and 'stricker' fit into this picture when an employer deliberately or unwittingly try to starve her maid to death? -
Originally posted by dare82:
Chinese employers tend to be more stingy and stricter. They are the ones who are more fussy with the way things can be done. One drop of money means one drop of blood. I'm also a Chinese myself and I'm not trying to be so racial but this is what I have observed. This also happens in HK as well.
True, that is why i said Asian, i heard if you work as maid for PRC rich one, more worst, they can even kick their maid.Well, that is the way Chinese work, that is why chinese or we are alway in business, but only SME business.