Its not a matter of being heartlell or altrustic.
Its economics.
We cannot have an aging population with a mentallity that they need not save, that they need not work, that they can continue consuming resources without contributing, that all will be taken care of, no need to worry about costs. The ripple effect would be wide and ever enlarging as other facets of the economy are affected by high costs and loss of manpower.
Someone will have to bear the cost of welfare, and it will have to be the young ones, like the forumers here who are disgruntled against the government. A government of their choice will want them to foot the bill to support healthy retirees, would they be willing? Or would they again curse the government of the day just the same as now.
As for old people collecting cans and cardboard boxes. These forumers use these to critise the government without checking out the circumstances of the old people. These old people could be proud and not want welfare, and rather exercise their initiative and eak out a living collecting cans or cardboards than get a handout. Take them out of the streets into a sanitised home and they will die in a few months of boredom.
i agree with you about "work makes you free"
it's all about one making the effort to see through one's desires.
put it this way, polytechnic students have always disapprove of paying the "extra" in concession compared to JC students. last year and this year they even went on to get signatures to petition to LTA. it was reported on Channelnewasia. yes, LTA or SMRT rejected their petition but they have not given up... they are still unhappy with the differences and they continue to make the effort to have their displeasure heard through "legitimate" and peaceful ways. i believe they will continue this actions next year.
the point? forumers here complain about the flaws of the government but they do not reach out and rectify the flaws. they just complain and complain... they take millions, they increase GST, they increase working age limit... they this they that...
start a petition then to ask the present government to step down in a legit and peaceful ways. you can ask forumers here to sign a petition form and then when you have about 1000, call Channelnewsasia and have a face to face forum to present your case.
I removed it because I checked and it was from the gates of Auschwitz.
no worries...
end of the day, you can moan about your misfortune or you can do something about it. if you think singapore has lots to improve, start working towards it then.
get a degree, join an opposition... get residents support... i know you won't win in elections but you can still be a MP if you have lots of votes. lead by example and when the general public sees that you are working hard to improve the lives of the people, many more will join you and you will have a stronger voice... be a competent leader and many will follow... the way you conduct yourself will determine your character and people sees that.
even our MM Lee has utmost respect for Mr. Chiam See Tong, the veteran of Potong Pasir who has held his fort for almost 30 years. he was respectful and people respected him... he does not have antics that caused embarrassment... it's all about character.
Talents are God given gifts... but character is what you want to be.
"Stop this extravagance, this reckless throwing of my country to the wind."
- Iranian poet, Simin Behbahani
Originally posted by novelltie:have you not seen posters hanging around recently?
"if you have financial difficulties or you know someone who needs help, please call 6xxx xxxx"
the MPs who go around estates always ask, "do you need any help" when they go door to door... this i can testify cos' Mr. Teo came knocking and asked me the same question.
why the departments are not openly advertised? friend, they are... if you need help with a quarrel with a neighbour, when a school is making too much noise in the morning or a group of teenagers always hanging around in the playground in the wee hours of morning and making a din, where do you go? Meet The MP Session...
over there; all doors available are open to you.
no I don't see any posters
That's good if the MPs do that, but still, that doesn't explain why RC residents or MPs walking around the estate seeing old folks moving heavy used cardboxes do not even automatically go to extend this help to these poor old folks?
Just go to Boon Keng anyday.
Originally posted by novelltie:have you not seen posters hanging around recently?
"if you have financial difficulties or you know someone who needs help, please call 6xxx xxxx"
the MPs who go around estates always ask, "do you need any help" when they go door to door... this i can testify cos' Mr. Teo came knocking and asked me the same question.
why the departments are not openly advertised? friend, they are... if you need help with a quarrel with a neighbour, when a school is making too much noise in the morning or a group of teenagers always hanging around in the playground in the wee hours of morning and making a din, where do you go? Meet The MP Session...
over there; all doors available are open to you.
ha ha ha, govt help in financial difficulty??? ha ha ha h ah , fat hope, it is just for show. i know of someone who is seeking financial aid, still looking for job but still can't find, now facing financial difficulty. Seek financial aid, CDC refuse to apply for the financial aid for this person because he is jobless. CDC will only provide financial aid if someone is working. Instead of applying for financial aid for this person, the CDC officer made this person signed agreement to look for job. But he is already constantly looking for job but still cannot find.
There was large lump sum of leftover of community fund last year. So now we know why the fund is not used up.
Govt, pap only cares for $. You wanna depend on them for help in $ when facing difficulty, no way.
Originally posted by eagle:no I don't know that
and if it is true, I'm wondering why isn't it better made known to people, especially in times of recession and many retrenchments? I do know people who are retrenched who aren't even aware such a scheme exists.
If what you said is true, I really wonder why RC residents or MPs walking around the estate seeing such things do not even automatically go to extend this help to these poor old folks?
lastly, if there are many govt departments that we do not know about which we can get help from, then what are these deparments even around in the first place when not many pple know about it? To help only a selected few?
when the chinese girl got murdered, FT kena accidents and died, many local heard of their plights and donoted thousands of $ to help their family. I wonder why nobody bring up the plights of these old uncle anties, if the government don't help, I am sure there are many citizens would help, like they help the foreigners. the opposition parties, the anti government activitists, should even take up this opportunity to help them and to shame the government....kill two birds with one stone?
perhaps things are not as simple as it seems? go the serangoon garden and you will always see an old man, "with his backs bent, pushing a cart full of used cardboxes around"...but where he stores his cardboard is actually his house, landed property leh.
those uncle and anties in boon keng road may be already getting help from somewhere, but they will continue to collect cardboard, otherwise what do you expect them to do? have you tried talking to them, since you see them so often and look so poor? may be they cant' read poster, can help explain to them...
Originally posted by gigabyte14:then let me ask u this
u keep creating senseless threads here
what are u trying to achieve
self satisfaction?
well idiot, this is a speaker corner so people come in to talk about this things. if YOU DON'T LIKE please go aunt agony and pose there saying this people give u agony.
you don't like you don't read lah, read already tell people not to type here. yeah he type here he happy so what. you don't like you don't post here, get lose, go hell no one will bother.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:when the chinese girl got murdered, FT kena accidents and died, many local heard of their plights and donoted thousands of $ to help their family. I wonder why nobody bring up the plights of these old uncle anties, if the government don't help, I am sure there are many citizens would help, like they help the foreigners. the opposition parties, the anti government activitists, should even take up this opportunity to help them and to shame the government....kill two birds with one stone?
perhaps things are not as simple as it seems? go the serangoon garden and you will always see an old man, "with his backs bent, pushing a cart full of used cardboxes around"...but where he stores his cardboard is actually his house, landed property leh.
those uncle and anties in boon keng road may be already getting help from somewhere, but they will continue to collect cardboard, otherwise what do you expect them to do? have you tried talking to them, since you see them so often and look so poor? may be they cant' read poster, can help explain to them...
Boon Keng is traditionally a poorer area, totally unlike Serangoon Gardens. The old folks here will wait at around 6pm for this truck whose driver will buy their collected cardboxes. Please tell me you see old folks here pushing heavy cardboxes for many kilometres to their landed house from Boon Keng to Potong Pasir MRT ok?
You might as well say if we see people sleeping on the streets, it's because our streets are extremely clean, cleaner than our beds even, and people are sleeping on the streets to enjoy nature (from mrbrownshow)... Duh... What's the point of taking extremes to compare (as in your flawed statistics of 1 single old man) when there are so many non-extremes around who are suffering?
And the thing is, I don't even see any posters around there for such things. How to even tell them? All I see from the RC is banners advertising subsidized health checkups and courses on how to build a business.
And finally, since you preferred to take it up, maybe you could attempt to give a satisfactory answer to what I asked:
Why is it that RC residents or MPs walking around the estate seeing such things do not even automatically go to extend this help to these poor old folks?
I am as concerned as anyone else on the plight of our poor and needy, but I am only one individual, and alone, I am powerless.
Can anyone please tell me how to put it across simply to STUBBORN minds that social spending, not just for uncles and aunties but for a wide range of social services as well, to the tune of billions, WILL have to come from our pockets?
Public officials are only representatives of our citizen and society, and reflective of society's desires or the lack of it. Any simpleton would realise that it takes MONEY to help the poor.
Money as handout, money as opportunities, money to live on no matter how mean or meagre it is, be it a loaf of bread daily only, but not just for one old aunty, but for the entire aging population, education, healthcare, etc,etc.
Talk is cheap,so is angst and viled attempts to discredit public officials, but WHERE is such money gonna come from if not from us?
Money either comes from trade and income taxes or from the bills we pay.
AS I EAT MY FRIED SIRLOIN STEAK AND READ POSTS ,I CANT help but wonder why there isnt much governance in spore relating to jobs and daily bread issues.i think to myself...if they cant govern sporean jobs perhaps they cant govern anything........hell i could probably get away with being a serial rapist even!!!or a cannibal///.....or a downloader of various immoral sex sites too!
maybe it tells u that the failure of job governing for sporeans could mean that no one is really governing spore!even countries where people work as cowboys can earn more than sporean manager in any MNC company in spore!salary is bad...jobs are bad......wat else is bad???
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Singapore's
state controlled newspaper the Straits Times online edition of June 28,
2009 has the article "Strong Wings Deep Roots. SM Goh urges schools to
retain their emotional bonds to Singapore".
It shows a picture of him, looking down, clearly dejected, disppaointed. You have to look at his face.
He
was speaking to 1000 guests at the 70th Anniversary of Chung Cheng High
School where he said one out of three top students’ of the school who
went overseas for an education never returned. What he said was true
except for the fact that the figures were wrong. Very probably 2 out of
every 3 students never returned.
One of them was I, Gopalan
Nair. I had gone abroad for an education but did return only to be
charged in court for contempt of court and being suspended from
practicing law for 2 years. In 1991 I left for good and have never
returned except for pleasure visits which eventually ended in my
imprisonment for 3 months last year and a permanent prohibition from
entering Singapore.
I have written about this many times in
this blog. Emigration of the educated and skilled has progressively
increased over the years that it is now an unstoppable flood with as
many as 1000 a month taking up overseas permanent residence and 1000 a
year giving up their citizenships.
These émigrés not including the students who do not return is so large and continues unabated that it is now seriously affecting the ability of this country to survive. They have been trying to bring in replacements to cover the loss from Communist China and India but any right minded person can tell immediately that it will not work.
These human imports are second rate
for 2 reasons, first they would have preferred to go to Australia and
failing that choice Singapore, and secondly, they have no intention of
ever making Singapore home. No loyalty at all, only financial gain
matters. Their other failures are a lack of English and ignorance of
the British system of government that Singapore is supposedly based on.
No European, American or Australian would want to make their home here,
if they had any decency about them.
Goh Chock Tong deliberately
feigns ignorance as to why this is happening when the reasons are
staring him in his face. Why should any capable young man or woman with
a good education or skills and with a bit of decency and principles
about him want to stay in a country which:
1. Has no freedom of speech or expression?
2. Has no independent press?
3.
Has a Lee Kuan Yew who pays himself $3 million a year and gives similar
amounts to his son, after making him Prime Minister and pays the same
obscene sum to every one of his good friends.
4. Where he abuses the
law and shamelessly orders his judges such as Belinda Ang Saw Ean to
order his political opponents to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars
to Lee Kuan Yew for doing nothing but criticize?
5. A country which
has turned entirely into robots unable to think or speak openly for
fear of defamation actions brought on by Lee Kuan Yew through corrupt
dishonest lawyers such as Davinder Singh?
6. A country which the International Bar Association has said has no rule of law or any independent judges?
There
are a few dishonest men and women who would be prepared to stay but
which mother of her son, or which young man or woman, if he had any
decency would want to live the shameful lives that opportunists such as
Lee Kuan Yew's defamation lawyer Davinder Singh lives, or like his
corrupt judge Belinda Ang Saw Ean?
Almost every suggestion that
Goh chock Tong makes in the article is downright ridiculous, as if he
has no care whatsoever that Singaporeans too have a mind of their own.
Let me give you the examples.
For instance, he says they should
sink roots here even if they leave for good! Isn't that the height of
incredulity! What, leave for good and yet sink roots in Singapore! How
is that possible, Mr. Goh Chock Tong? Then he goes on to utter more
gibberish and drivel, such as saying that Singaporeans should be like
geese that migrate in winter but return in summer. Yes, Mr. Goh, that
is what geese do. But we are not talking about geese. Human beings
can’t live in 2 places. If they have gone, they live elsewhere. Not in
Singapore.
And then he tries to appeal to their good nature,
urging them to remember where they got their education and therefore
they should be grateful to Singapore. But is Mr. Goh not forgetting
something? Is it not the duty of the government, just as the duty of
any other government, to provide an education?
And if so, why should any student be grateful for what they are entitled to anyway?
And besides, is he going to say that Singaporeans had a good education? Hardly. I went through Singapore education. It is bad.
It instills fear
in children, not courage and curiosity for learning. It dwarfs a
child's development and turns children into young robots. It is good to
know that many children from Singapore do manage to go abroad despite
the poor education they get. Education is not just book learning; it
also includes the development of character, which Singapore students’
lack. Australian, New Zealand, British and American children get much
better education than the mediocre Singapore system.
I have
personally contributed to the brain drain by what had happened to me.
In the 1980s I was punished as a lawyer in Singapore for no other
reason but being a critic of the dictatorship in Singapore. I was
charged for contempt of court for making an election rally speech at
the 1991 Bukit Merah elections for suggesting that the Subordinate
Court judiciary should be free of control by the Legal Service
Commission, so as to give the impression of impartiality.
Nothing wrong
in what I said, but Judge Sinnuthuray at the behest of Lee Kuan Yew
fined me $8,000.00 and costs. Next, when I questioned the Attorney
General Tan Boon Teik about his statement over the late JB Jeyaretnam
which were false, I was subjected to disciplinary proceedings and
suspended from practicing law for 2 years. Both these cases were given
extensive coverage in Singapore’s state controlled press so as to
frighten similarly minded lawyers from ever challenging Lee and
company.
What do you think the effect of these cases had on
the Singapore population, and especially on the legal profession?
Immediately after the publicity of my cases in the Singapore press, I
personally know that more and more Singapore lawyers began leaving the
profession, mainly to Australia. Can anyone blame them? The Singapore
legal system's reputation had sunk rock bottom. Lee Kuan Yew wanted to
make it known that it was he who was master, not the law. Did you
expect any honest lawyer to remain after this in Singapore?
Then
there were the series of cases against the late JB Jeyaretnam and the
ongoing never ending cases against Dr. Chee Soon Juan; the arrest of
the "Marxist Conspirators", as Lee calls them; the series of cases
against the foreign press; then my imprisonment?
You see the people including young men and women are not blind or shielded from this injustice that goes on there on a daily basis.
An educated man would
want to be able to engage in an intelligent debate and not fear
imprisonment for it. Singapore is no place for an honest decent
educated person. Neither is it for their families and their children.
It is no place to bring up children, period.
It may be fine for
the likes of people such as Davinder Singh who does it for money, but
how many good parents would want their children to end up like him?
My
concern and interest lies with the people of Singapore, not with this
one party dictatorship. My advice to parents and young men and women in
schools is this. If you have the chance to emigrate, do it.
In Singapore, you will never be able to achieve your full potential.
It is a one party state dictatorship with Lee Kuan Yew running the show together with his son placed there by him.
If you want to succeed in
it, you have to do whatever the father and son say. If you are prepared
to live like that, fine. If not, get out now. And my best wishes to
you. You would have made the right decision by leaving.
Singapore is s silly country. With a silly government. You would be wasting your time with it.
Gopalan Nair
http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2009/06/singapores-goh-chock-
Originally posted by xtreyier:I am as concerned as anyone else on the plight of our poor and needy, but I am only one individual, and alone, I am powerless.
Can anyone please tell me how to put it across simply to STUBBORN minds that social spending, not just for uncles and aunties but for a wide range of social services as well, to the tune of billions, WILL have to come from our pockets?
Public officials are only representatives of our citizen and society, and reflective of society's desires or the lack of it. Any simpleton would realise that it takes MONEY to help the poor.
Money as handout, money as opportunities, money to live on no matter how mean or meagre it is, be it a loaf of bread daily only, but not just for one old aunty, but for the entire aging population, education, healthcare, etc,etc.
Talk is cheap,so is angst and viled attempts to discredit public officials, but WHERE is such money gonna come from if not from us?
ya, no money, because a lot were lost in Lehmann mini-bonds
Those money could have been better spent
Our fault?
In addition, look at the extravagant spending every year on NDP, on the big big banners, etc... Those money could have bought that few extra loaves of bread for these old folks who direly need it... So where did the money for NDP come from?
As sgdiehard has said,
when the chinese girl got murdered, FT kena accidents and died, many local heard of their plights and donoted thousands of $ to help their family. I wonder why nobody bring up the plights of these old uncle anties, if the government don't help, I am sure there are many citizens would help, like they help the foreigners. the opposition parties, the anti government activitists, should even take up this opportunity to help them and to shame the government....kill two birds with one stone?
I wonder why SPH didn't carry stories of such old folks and request for donations for them?
The more you talk about money, the more I think why are there so many expenditures around that do not contribute much to the welfare of the pple.
At least i am glad that i am not e onli one who think it that way..
If theres no walk over or if we are given a chance to vote other then walk over all e time...
N theres a opposition party strong enuff to withstand em...
I will def gib em a chance for sure! Considering e things dey do is gettin worst n worst....
as i drink my pepsi n think...............maybe goh chok tong meant those rambo and intelligent types from spore who will remain loyal n obedient to spore n went thru more than any normal sporean had ever been thru but had to leave spore.
they left because spores policy didnt give much fighting chance in peacetime to its own citizens.it probably wont give much fighting chance in war time too.and whats the plan for u in 10 years time with what u are getting or will lose in future?is it all enough to live as a human being ........or as a homeless man without a home ...without food.....without a decent shower or savings.plus we have to fight with foreigners for jobs too.
even a carpet salesman or supermarket salesman overseas in civiised countries earn enough to buy himself a fully paid car n house in 10 years.so from time they finish high school n work till they reach their early 30's......they would have S$380,000 at around age 31.can u get this in spore at age 40??so u virtually waste your youth with not much to gain in spore.might as well be in hell for eternity.
i dont think people can even find a job easily with foreigners grabbin the same job in spore...n if they do get a job in spore...its all normally regarded as a joke in most civilised countries.
Originally posted by xtreyier:I am as concerned as anyone else on the plight of our poor and needy, but I am only one individual, and alone, I am powerless.
Can anyone please tell me how to put it across simply to STUBBORN minds that social spending, not just for uncles and aunties but for a wide range of social services as well, to the tune of billions, WILL have to come from our pockets?
Public officials are only representatives of our citizen and society, and reflective of society's desires or the lack of it. Any simpleton would realise that it takes MONEY to help the poor.
Money as handout, money as opportunities, money to live on no matter how mean or meagre it is, be it a loaf of bread daily only, but not just for one old aunty, but for the entire aging population, education, healthcare, etc,etc.
Talk is cheap,so is angst and viled attempts to discredit public officials, but WHERE is such money gonna come from if not from us?
WHERE is the money that Temasek made? It made $114 b in profit, as the venerable finance minister himself said, before losing most of it to American banks. Why wasn't a part of that money set apart for social spending?
Everyone knows that investment returns are supposed to fatten the reserves, for a rainy day, which is a good thing. But even if 100 billion had been pumped back into reserves, there would still be 14 billion, a helluva lot of money that could have brightened the lives of many poor folk. Instead, the govt chose to reinvest all that money, and we all know what happened.
Perhaps you should stop being stubborn and consider the possibility of social spending without 40% GST!
as usual, these armchairs conspiracy theorists are kicking a sandstorm out of nothing....
people get PR only then you must start biting the govt..
Usually these complainers are those that either their life is corked up, so they start blaming government and PAP supporters instead of themselves( its feels better that its not their fault because they no need to put in hard effort change themselves then)
Its either this reasons, or another reason is that these complainers have successfully brainwahsed themselves to pit against the PAP at all cost because it fun to engage in these complaining exercise for entertainment purposes.. Its a kind of mental bias which continously feed itself.
look, no one says singapore is perfect.. i myself find that PAP has done certain things wrongly...
Its the opposition who is always saying singapore do these things wrongly therefore they are a lousy corrupt government...
Its overexagerrating things... you dun say the govt is failure just because he does not score full marks....
The gopalan NAir(mispelling) person.. if he is feels that the other country he is in is better.. good for him... i wish him luck and hope he really has a happy time down there.. But why is he still complaining about singapore when he has successfully gotten himself out of singapore????
Does he feel more miserable or happy when he continue to blame this and that in singapore.... ???? Or is it is inner wisdom has told him that he has made a wrong choice to leave singapore.. that is why he is still continuing whining about singapore instead of living happily in the place he thinks that it is good...
I, am very happy, and very grateful, for singapore status at this point of time... if i am born in any other random country... the chance of me been in a shitty position now is very high...
My life is not easy now in singapore but i am not complaining... its is good enough.. There are still enough resources to grab that i can improve myself and my situation in singapore...
Internet forum are like that... its is an extremely easy form of media and communication outlet to let anti-PAP people come together and support themselves motivate each other...snd help to justify one another..
Originally posted by eagle:ya, no money, because a lot were lost in Lehmann mini-bonds
Those money could have been better spent
Our fault?
In addition, look at the extravagant spending every year on NDP, on the big big banners, etc... Those money could have bought that few extra loaves of bread for these old folks who direly need it... So where did the money for NDP come from?
As sgdiehard has said,
I wonder why SPH didn't carry stories of such old folks and request for donations for them?
The more you talk about money, the more I think why are there so many expenditures around that do not contribute much to the welfare of the pple.
Investing our treasure kitty was supposed to earn revenue to pay for social spending without taxing citizens further. But such investments do not come without risks. If anyone could predict with accuracy each and every time for every movement on investments, then I would presume that person would be an immortal.
I once had a nutty idea. If SAF could do without one F 15 plane, it could help save old uncles and aunties from collecting cans. But after working out the costs, I realized that the cost of one F 15 plane will only pay $800 for one month only, for 125,000 old folks, and our country unprotected without one more plane for security, for the next 10 yrs, if not for life.
You may have your ideas and perceptions on how to save or cut other necessary spending in order to ensure old uncles and aunties do not collect cans for a living. This i will respectfully leave you to convince others, or write out proposals plan for submission to the relevant authorities.
Meantime, I stand ready to contribute more of my money and salary should it be required by the authorities instead of using the old folks to further one's angst filled agenda to topple or besmirch public officials.
as usual, these armchairs conspiracy theorists
Which conspiracy theory?
Internet forum are like that... its is an extremely easy form of media and communication outlet to let anti-PAP people come together and support themselves motivate each other...snd help to justify one another..
What about state media?
Originally posted by xtreyier:Investing our treasure kitty was supposed to earn revenue to pay for social spending without taxing citizens further. But such investments do not come without risks. If anyone could predict with accuracy each and every time for every movement on investments, then I would presume that person would be an immortal.
I once had a nutty idea. If SAF could do without one F 15 plane, it could help save old uncles and aunties from collecting cans. But after working out the costs, I realized that the cost of one F 15 plane will only pay $800 for one month only, for 125,000 old folks, and our country unprotected without one more plane for security, for the next 10 yrs, if not for life.
You may have your ideas and perceptions on how to save or cut other necessary spending in order to ensure old uncles and aunties do not collect cans for a living. This i will respectfully leave you to convince others, or write out proposals plan for submission to the relevant authorities.
Meantime, I stand ready to contribute more of my money and salary should it be required by the authorities instead of using the old folks to further one's angst filled agenda to topple or besmirch public officials.
No, I'm not talking about TH's investments. I'm talking about money allocated to town councils, who instead put it in the bonds instead of fixed D in the banks. It is not the national treasure trove. And if "investing our treasure kitty was supposed to earn revenue to pay for social spending without taxing citizens further", why do you even need to tell me that you stand ready to contribute more your money and salary????
For the F-15 u mentioned, did you include the cost of maintenance, the cost of employing one more pilot, more spare parts for wear and tear, fuel for operating the plane, insurance, extra logistics to make sure it is in tiptop condition, etc, etc, i.e. the monthly recurring costs? Anyway, this isn't the point here. You are equating necessary costs for defence to unnecessary costs for NDP celebrations.
Fact is, you are still unable to answer why is it that money is rather spent on so many NDP stuff, yet little is spent on these old folks?
Fact is, you can standby and contribute your money, but who is going to ensure that none of it is going to extra spending in events like our NDP? Is it necessary to be so extravagant as to place posters everywhere? Just a 100 dollars is sufficient to buy at least 50 big loaves of bread, of which each loaf can feed an old person for a week.
Question is, why are we still celebrating so much at NDP at the expense of these people? This is the point which you are still avoiding, but instead bring up an F-15 to mumble about.
Originally posted by january:look, no one says singapore is perfect.. i myself find that PAP has done certain things wrongly...
Its the opposition who is always saying singapore do these things wrongly therefore they are a lousy corrupt government...
Its overexagerrating things... you dun say the govt is failure just because he does not score full marks....
The gopalan NAir(mispelling) person.. if he is feels that the other country he is in is better.. good for him... i wish him luck and hope he really has a happy time down there.. But why is he still complaining about singapore when he has successfully gotten himself out of singapore????
Does he feel more miserable or happy when he continue to blame this and that in singapore.... ???? Or is it is inner wisdom has told him that he has made a wrong choice to leave singapore.. that is why he is still continuing whining about singapore instead of living happily in the place he thinks that it is good...
I, am very happy, and very grateful, for singapore status at this point of time... if i am born in any other random country... the chance of me been in a shitty position now is very high...
My life is not easy now in singapore but i am not complaining... its is good enough.. There are still enough resources to grab that i can improve myself and my situation in singapore...
Internet forum are like that... its is an extremely easy form of media and communication outlet to let anti-PAP people come together and support themselves motivate each other...snd help to justify one another..
Yo dude, you need to have a space for these anti PAP guys to flush their anger, otherwise, mental hospital is going to be full and overloaded.
PAP understand peoples frustration and need to vent it out, in this forum which so far cause no harm whatsoever, they dun mind them selling their wares and prides here, afterall, it is better than they stand at Centre point or taka selling newspapers.
Originally posted by eagle:No, I'm not talking about TH's investments. I'm talking about money allocated to town councils, who instead put it in the bonds instead of fixed D in the banks. It is not the national treasure trove. And if "investing our treasure kitty was supposed to earn revenue to pay for social spending without taxing citizens further", why do you even need to tell me that you stand ready to contribute more your money and salary????
For the F-15 u mentioned, did you include the cost of maintenance, the cost of employing one more pilot, more spare parts, insurance, etc, etc, i.e. the monthly recurring costs? Anyway, this isn't the point here. You are equating necessary costs for defence to unnecessary costs for NDP celebrations.
Fact is, you are still unable to answer why is it that money is rather spent on so many NDP stuff, yet little is spent on these old folks?
Fact is, you can standby and contribute your money, but who is going to ensure that none of it is going to extra spending in events like our NDP? Is it necessary to be so extravagant as to place posters everywhere? Just a 100 dollars is sufficient to buy at least 50 big loaves of bread, of which each loaf can feed an old person for a week.
Question is, why are we still celebrating so much at NDP at the expense of these people? This is the point which you are still avoiding, but instead bring up an F-15 to mumble about.
u ask the N korean why are they spending so much on missile and nuclear rather than to take care of their own starving citizens?
At least singapore is more balance in a way, and spending is the key to economic churning too, if all dun spent, we come into a stand still, then maybe you and i will be begging on the street. Of course i agree with your sentiment toward aging peoples, but let face it, what does an aging person contribute?? they are actually the attribute to the society, but we of course never neglect them, by providing food, shelter and medication, what else do you want to give them, beers, disco, pubs, tours and credit cards ar??
Our country is very fragile in term of it geopolitical location and situation, we must show our might so as to deter others onlookers taking us on as mouse who got no guts and weapons, in any countries you go, defence and arm forces occupied the most heavy budget in their agendas. And afterall, National Day is a country birthday, a pride for us to celebrate and show our might.