Originally posted by dare82:The worst thing that can ever happen is that one from a 3rd world ASEAN country even come here and behave proud, arrogantly and act like his daddy is rich here.
He come here as a refugee as his country is torn by political disasters and social dangers.
And filipinos!!! I'v seen some of them come to our country, acting snobbish and arrogant, so I thought, maybe back in philippines they are considered rich.
then see them go macs take back truckloads of sugar packs T_T
* I dont go around observing them. but my filipina colleague does that (taking of sugar packs home - come on, one small pack could cost like, what, 5 cents??). and the guy always says his pay super low, (same as mine actually) but i see him with at least 1 pair of new shoes each week. and they are not cheap one. stuff like lacoste, nike, adidas... *sweat drop*
arrogant western FT, we can still understand why they act like that. but, FT from countries not as affluent as ours?? please.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:just a little suggestion,
know your rights in the company and in your position, and exercise it when necessary; stick to your job and do it well; stay out of these people who irritate you.
After office, unload everything trouble you have in the office by going out with the people you like, so that you can start afreshed the next day.
Wait, wait for the moment when they are vulnerable, when they make mistake, then make your move, let them know they make mistake too...don't have to end in a vicious cycle, retaliation after retaliation.
In the meantime, wait for the economics to get better, there will always be a better job out there.
There is one thing you must know, the indians are very good at politics, especially office politics.
thanks ^^ working life is hard.......and i'v only been in teh workforce for slightly over a 1yr....
Originally posted by L.lawliett79:And filipinos!!! I'v seen some of them come to our country, acting snobbish and arrogant, so I thought, maybe back in philippines they are considered rich.
then see them go macs take back truckloads of sugar packs T_T
* I dont go around observing them. but my filipina colleague does that (taking of sugar packs home - come on, one small pack could cost like, what, 5 cents??). and the guy always says his pay super low, (same as mine actually) but i see him with at least 1 pair of new shoes each week. and they are not cheap one. stuff like lacoste, nike, adidas... *sweat drop*
arrogant western FT, we can still understand why they act like that. but, FT from countries not as affluent as ours?? please.
U r absolutely right! I can't imagine those pinoys acting like this.
I can forgive those from China and India already as their nations are glorious in the past and gonna be so again in future.
R those pinoys from Manila? Maybe urban ones r too cosmopolitan that they become stuck up and even look down on the rest of the pinoys, esp if they r from e rurals.
F those refugee pinoys that ever try to act like my army officers! They r of lower class to our Chinese, Malays and Indians. Try this in Sydney nowadays. Try to act bossy over the Whites there. See what they get!
I think Singapore government, in response to the influx of foreign talent here, must set up a centre for treatment specializing in xenophobia.
Originally posted by dare82:I think Singapore government, in response to the influx of foreign talent here, must set up a centre for treatment specializing in xenophobia.
I think in this time of economic slow, many of the foreign professional got job tend to b arrogant n the manner they talked to the local.
Originally posted by dare82:U r absolutely right! I can't imagine those pinoys acting like this.
I can forgive those from China and India already as their nations are glorious in the past and gonna be so again in future.
R those pinoys from Manila? Maybe urban ones r too cosmopolitan that they become stuck up and even look down on the rest of the pinoys, esp if they r from e rurals.
F those refugee pinoys that ever try to act like my army officers! They r of lower class to our Chinese, Malays and Indians. Try this in Sydney nowadays. Try to act bossy over the Whites there. See what they get!
hmm. china and india? still dont like. haha! can say that cos my co got alot of FT mainly from 4 countries. india, china, 女佣国 and another.. 没有用的人。。 Im only stuck in this co cos i have no experience.. so of cos cant find better jobs.. but they, they have been in this co for a few years and gonna stay longer i bet..
from manila or not.. not sure.. but my previous maids mostly from manila.. and boy, were they snobbish!! i gave them back their attitude and made them do things for me... hahaha!
but too bad those two that bully us in office are not my maids. otherwise i heckle them until they cry. dont shit me hor.. hahaaa. i have been too nice to them. thats only cos i dont want to make trouble as they are not my maids.
Originally posted by will4:I think in this time of economic slow, many of the foreign professional got job tend to b arrogant n the manner they talked to the local.
Well if the local community of all our pre-1965 races all congregate and mock their skin colour, they will lose face.
Racial Harmony Day on 21 July does not need to include those new races.
Originally posted by will4:I think in this time of economic slow, many of the foreign professional got job tend to b arrogant n the manner they talked to the local.
but duno how they can look so snobbish all the time.. i mean.. got job.. so what?? we also have.
even if some of us singaporeans do not have jobs, doesnt mean we're more lowly than them. just that they happen on some luck and the jobless didn't.
Originally posted by dare82:Racial Harmony Day on 21 July does not need to include those new races.
RHD better not include them. unless they stop being so horrid.
Originally posted by dare82:I think Singapore government, in response to the influx of foreign talent here, must set up a centre for treatment specializing in xenophobia.
xenophobia = FT phobia??
Originally posted by L.lawliett79:xenophobia = FT phobia??
Haha yah. Dun u think so?
First of all just a basic response to the Thread Tittle....
Treat all foreigners like any human being. With dignity and respect. Unless you don't have those quality in yourself.
This stupid topics should end here.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:First of all just a basic response to the Thread Tittle....
Treat all foreigners like any human being. With dignity and respect. Unless you don't have those quality in yourself.
This stupid topics should end here.
agree with you.
"Treat all foreigners like any human being. With dignity and respect." <-- only if they treat us as such, too.
i would not treat someone who treats me like shit, nicely. whether FT or local.
Yes. They can come and work here.
But remember who are the masters in Singapore?
Not that. Do they come here and bring in revenue so they can afford to be as snobbish as the Caucasians?
Originally posted by Arapahoe:First of all just a basic response to the Thread Tittle....
Treat all foreigners like any human being. With dignity and respect. Unless you don't have those quality in yourself.
This stupid topics should end here.
the problem lies in which type of FT that deserve it,and the current situation..
allow me to share some of my experiance to you: i knew a few PRC technicians when i was still a senior tech abt 4 years ago, the problem lies in their country system..over there in china..it is the more experiance workers that are valuable, not the newbies, regardless of what cert they hold. which is why many of them would come here to work..however not all of them want to go back after enjoying their "life" here, some will settle down to become PRs and citizens or just work till they get enuf money to immigrate to other countries.
now i am ok with some FT/FW IF they do their work well or properly..however it seems more and more of these FT/FW are getting more $$ while doing sloppy work or work that many of us are familiar with the term " half fuck standard". while we work our butts out to get it done properly and take pay cuts from some of our non 'farsighted" employers who only thinks about + signs in their budgets, but for going that this solution also term "short term gain over long term loss" where servicing to repair the FT/FW cockups is cost them more.
another experiance i like to share with all is a recent comment by my new employer
he said i was very luckly as he and his collegue had to go thru 1 meter height of application forms and most of it PRC and pinoys..what is shocking is that this bastards were engineers and some even had masters degree but they were willing to stoop very low to "snatch" even a technician post. it was by luck that my employer know 1 of their tricks was that they would never stay long term in the company ( it was a big transport company fyi) that he finally narrowed it down to 4 people for Assist engineer post and technician post.
so how they should be treated?? i would say those that deserve our respect ought to stay, those that are F up character can go back home and F off here. however right now the need is to cut off the flood of the FT/FW and really filter all those that really deserve to stay here.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:4 years ago I had an indian boss, titled Director. He was good at entertaining all the people from head office, he brought in an accountant from india, after all the local accountants resigned, he set unrealistic targets for us to follow, and I never new if he had a degree. But hard luck, the people in the HQ thought he was good.
The most important thing for me at that time was that I had all my sales people understanding me and standing by me, these included 1 prc chinese. My life was tough, unbearable at times, but there was no point complaining.
I left the company 14 months after he came.
Since then I worked for a german boss, good life for a year, a new boss came, big problem to make him understand this is singapore, not germany; just when I thought we are getting along, the financial crisis started........
there is no difference between indian, prc chinese, angmoh, jap or singaporean, the difference is between the good the bad and the ugly. that's life!
The facts are life in MNCs are only temporary. Gone are the days where you can relied on MNC stable career. You are better off with Singapore owned companies.
There are really no "Exception" on treating people differently by their ethnicity or race there will be Jerk in all walk of societies you just have to learn to deal with them individually rather than Sterotyping as a Group.......
If you continue to stay at your level of complaints it tell me all of you don't have the maturity, Emotional intelligent and communication skills to deal with these people.....
There are some facts remain :
Careers are no longer permanent that is a fact. Look at the last 10 years Singapore had gone thru the world experienced.
1) 97 Asian financial Crisi
2) 2000 Dot com burst
3) 2001 9/11 aftermath.
4) 2004 Tsunami aftermath
4) 2007/8 global recession and financial crisi.
Singapore depended on MNC; MNC have very little commitment or
Royalty to local residents - Singaporean. When is time to pack up they will packed up and leave. Singaporean don't leave.
Some time in the futures most of you will be working for Chinese owned MNC they are not going to be run like a European or American MNC.......so learned to work and compete within a much lesser structured enviornment .....
The entired idea of "fairness" arrived when there is a structure but SG govt is moving out from the environment.
SG Govt operates like corporate so they only look at final result.......rather than looking at the social outcome.
Until SG Govt could help to establish local companies....the downward spira of workplace will continue...
Very soon we will all be Contractors.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:There are really no "Exception" on treating people differently by their ethnicity or race there will be Jerk in all walk of societies you just have to learn to deal with them individually rather than Sterotyping as a Group.......
If you continue to stay at your level of complaints it tell me all of you don't have the maturity, Emotional intelligent and communication skills to deal with these people.....
There are some facts remain :
Careers are no longer permanent that is a fact. Look at the last 10 years Singapore had gone thru the world experienced.
1) 97 Asian financial Crisi
2) 2000 Dot com burst
3) 2001 9/11 aftermath.
4) 2004 Tsunami aftermath
4) 2007/8 global recession and financial crisi.
Singapore depended on MNC; MNC have very little commitment or
Royalty to local residents - Singaporean. When is time to pack up they will packed up and leave. Singaporean don't leave.Some time in the futures most of you will be working for Chinese owned MNC they are not going to be run like a European or American MNC.......so learned to work and compete within a much lesser structured enviornment .....
The entired idea of "fairness" arrived when there is a structure but SG govt is moving out from the environment.
SG Govt operates like corporate so they only look at final result.......rather than looking at the social outcome.
Until SG Govt could help to establish local companies....the downward spira of workplace will continue...
Very soon we will all be Contractors.
Yikes.. soon Singapore an island of Chinese sweat shops.... (shrieks and runs away)...
Originally posted by Arapahoe:There are really no "Exception" on treating people differently by their ethnicity or race there will be Jerk in all walk of societies you just have to learn to deal with them individually rather than Sterotyping as a Group.......
If you continue to stay at your level of complaints it tell me all of you don't have the maturity, Emotional intelligent and communication skills to deal with these people.....
There are some facts remain :
Careers are no longer permanent that is a fact. Look at the last 10 years Singapore had gone thru the world experienced.
1) 97 Asian financial Crisi
2) 2000 Dot com burst
3) 2001 9/11 aftermath.
4) 2004 Tsunami aftermath
4) 2007/8 global recession and financial crisi.
Singapore depended on MNC; MNC have very little commitment or
Royalty to local residents - Singaporean. When is time to pack up they will packed up and leave. Singaporean don't leave.Some time in the futures most of you will be working for Chinese owned MNC they are not going to be run like a European or American MNC.......so learned to work and compete within a much lesser structured enviornment .....
The entired idea of "fairness" arrived when there is a structure but SG govt is moving out from the environment.
SG Govt operates like corporate so they only look at final result.......rather than looking at the social outcome.
Until SG Govt could help to establish local companies....the downward spira of workplace will continue...
Very soon we will all be Contractors.
SG Govt operates like corporate so they only look at final result.......rather than looking at the social outcome.
I agree with you on this. Most of our PSC scholars had been trained in this manner and had not place priority on the social angle, and believed that somehow it will 'all fall into place natuarally'.
While none of us citizens will want Singapore to be a welfare state, paying higher taxes, but there is a need to ensure these officers pay more attention in that sector and do make serious attempts to balance it out.
I dont have any solutions to do so, thus our civil service needs the best and brightest, if possible, more sensitive, to serve and not run to the financial sector and lavish themselves on high incomes and neglect the very society whom had given them the opportunity to excel in life.
Social responsibility must be taken seriously at ALL levels in the employment field, from the worker to the bosses to the ministries.
As for MNCs, it is a fact we need MNCs. Post independence, the richest Singaporeans were bankers and landowners such as Mr. Ng Teng Fong. Do you think Mr. Ng would create SIA, which needs a whole lot of different skillsets to manage, let alone have the kind of money to run an efficent and hi-tech operation such as SIA and not one like the languishing MAS flying fleet? I sincerly doubt so.
Are the govts then to just simply use our $100 million then in our kitty, and give it to any Tom, Dick, Harry to run it or set up industries, the way Malaysia is now being accused of cronyism and corruption? No, its better elected representative be held accountable for our funds.
Growing Singapore companies take time. It isnt going to happen overnight, as our market is small and no single local company can survive on our own market alone, with no resources to sell even, and have the sufficient capital to go global.
The govt's direction is the only way to go for now. First they venture out with elected or accountable representatives onto the world's stage with our massive collective society funds, make them profitable, then sell it to our local talents. This is one way to 'entreprenuerise' and grow our Singapore brand.
There are other ways I suspect. But certainly not for local talents with their small capital and market base to set up shop. Good and chest thumping only for a while but suicide later on extended unsupplied lines, causing massive unemployment later.
We have best be realistic. We are a nation of no resources except for a tiny port. Our best resources are our people, whose forefathers were only peasants and coolies, and it would take time to groom them up to be on par with the best in the globalised world.
Do be patient and give encouragement. Bear the unbearable for now. There is a future for our nation, which had constantly improve itself, not out of nationalism, but for survival, and within a few more generations, we may even conquer the world, the way our youngsters had proven themselves better than others of the world in the academic fields and military prowess in competitions or attachments.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:First of all just a basic response to the Thread Tittle....
Treat all foreigners like any human being. With dignity and respect. Unless you don't have those quality in yourself.
This stupid topics should end here.
U wanna be treated with human's respect and dignity then start to live and behave like one !!
Aiyah. Anyway I look at those from poorer ASEAN countries as 2nd class cos of their race, their skin, their refugee attitudes towards their motherlands.
some more ideas.
for foreigner dogs, they are not allowed to join Sgforum. so idiots like sgnoob be banned immediately.
they are to be terminated.
After some reflection, I think we Singaporeans can be better if we don't be so difficult to serve.
From http://utopia8787.blogspot.com/2009/06/mp-charles-complains.html, I hope it's time for us Singaporeans to reflect on ourselves for this. I know this is a cosmopolitan city and a fast-paced one, but nobody ain't perfect in society.
But I damn FUCKING hate if someone from a poorer ASEAN country were to act like us!
Who they think they are? Assimilated into Singapore society so what? BIG FUCK AH! LANJIAO lah.
Originally posted by dare82:After some reflection, I think we Singaporeans can be better if we don't be so difficult to serve.
From http://utopia8787.blogspot.com/2009/06/mp-charles-complains.html, I hope it's time for us Singaporeans to reflect on ourselves for this. I know this is a cosmopolitan city and a fast-paced one, but nobody ain't perfect in society.
But I damn FUCKING hate if someone from a poorer ASEAN country were to act like us!
Who they think they are? Assimilated into Singapore society so what? BIG FUCK AH! LANJIAO lah.
yeah i know you are saying that lanjiao kia sgnoob. that foreigner freak!
treat them the way they treat singapore lor. come here waste resources, OUT. and i hope they have to learn the national anthem and pledge before coming in