Originally posted by Fire Cracker:Hey the topic is how foreigner should be treated.
one some twisted suggestion to creat some humors.
1) for indian from india, they will have to wear the I.D card. indian Dog card.
2) for chinese from china, they will have to wear the C.D card. China Dog card.
3) for philipino from philipine. they wear will wear P.D card... nay, they will all carry one philip's CD players on their hand.
for once, when i was really young....i really though philip's is the brand of philipine.
Hahaha.
If philip is really pinoy brand, then the pinoys won't have to come to S'pore liao.
Originally posted by Cram:
"We pride ourselves as a democracy. "
You may tae pride on Singapore being a democracy but everyone knows what kind of democracy is practised here.
"Singapore is not communist state where the state controls all biz enterprises."
Then why is the govt involved in so many business activities? What about the companies it runs? Is there a minimum wage in place? If not, why not?
"Do you want our country to be a totalitarian state?"
Isn't Singapore already a totalitarian state? What makes you think it isn't?
"Utimately, the govts can only do so much."
You keep repeating this all over this forum. Has the govt actually done what it can? I'd say no.
"But we, the citizens are not without powers to effect change."
Citizens are totally powerless in this red dot. All change has to be decided and implemented by the ruling party. It has nothing to with the citizens. If the citizens had their way, there wouldn't be so many foreigners here today.
"Singaporeans are pragmatic people and ruled by logic and reason with the issue of more socially responsible bosses."
What exactly does that mean? Are you saying Singaporeans are only bothered about their own survival and will therefore not take up this issue? That they won't give a damn if their bosses are socially responsible or not, as long as their jobs and salaries are not in danger?
"Change can only begin with you and me, at the bedrock base of where all society springs and grows- the family."
Usual empty stuff from you. The truth is: unless and until the govt steps in, companies will continue to exploit foreign workers and refrain from employing locals at decent wages.
i cannot control how you feel, nor can anyone else. You have a right to your own misery,ignorance and prejudice, but facts will remain facts.
Perhaps I mistook your level intellligence and presumed my simplified writing could explain what must be done, but judging your response, it seems i over-estimated what lies in between your ears.
I hope this explanation will suffice -
How difficult is it to approach your family member to request them to hire a local if they are bossesHow difficult is it to approach your relative to request them to hire a local if they are bosses?
How difficult is it to approach friends to request them to hire a local if they are bosses?
How difficult is it to convince your family member to request them to accept a realistic wage today if they are seeking employment today?How difficult is it to convince your relative to request them to accept a realistic wage today if they are seeking employment today?How difficult is it to convince your friends to request them to accept a realistic wage today if they are seeking employment today?
Do you need to wait for legislation to do what each and everyone of us, calling ourselves civilised people, should do?
Are you demanding we become an authoritarian regime today?
Sigh...guess we have a long way to go to understand freedom, with immatured fellas like you around.
Originally posted by Fire Cracker:
well you just haven't kana the shit the foreigner is giving all singaporean. those foreinger degree are 1/2 farked rubbish degree. their university are not in the engineering board. why did singapore's company hired this kind of people?
and F.Y.I that indian from india i mentioned is not a PHD. he's just another degree holder from india's university.
This is not even surprising.
Read this.. Fake Indian Degrees Flooding Middle East Market.
That is why..many employers tests candidates on their industry knowledge and make sure they pass an in-house technical tests before they hire. But this is in the US lah.. I donnno if Sg companies are smart enough to do that or not lor.
Originally posted by jojobeach:This is not even surprising.
Read this.. Fake Indian Degrees Flooding Middle East Market.
That is why..many employers tests candidates on their industry knowledge and make sure they pass an in-house technical tests before they hire. But this is in the US lah.. I donnno if Sg companies are smart enough to do that or not lor.
If local companies can do this ah, I think there won't be too many FTs flooding here already. I see many of these FTs all come here wayang wayang one lah.
Originally posted by xtreyier:i cannot control how you feel, nor can anyone else. You have a right to your own misery,ignorance and prejudice, but facts will remain facts.
Perhaps I mistook your level intellligence and presumed my simplified writing could explain what must be done, but judging your response, it seems i over-estimated what lies in between your ears.
I hope this explanation will suffice -
How difficult is it to approach your family member to request them to hire a local if they are bossesHow difficult is it to approach your relative to request them to hire a local if they are bosses?
How difficult is it to approach friends to request them to hire a local if they are bosses?How difficult is it to convince your family member to request them to accept a realistic wage today if they are seeking employment today?How difficult is it to convince your relative to request them to accept a realistic wage today if they are seeking employment today?How difficult is it to convince your friends to request them to accept a realistic wage today if they are seeking employment today?
Do you need to wait for legislation to do what each and everyone of us, calling ourselves civilised people, should do?
Are you demanding we become an authoritarian regime today?
Sigh...guess we have a long way to go to understand freedom, with immatured fellas like you around.
I think you're the ignorant one here. Forget my intelligence level; try answering the questions I raised without resorting to complete bullshit like telling friends and relatives how to manage their business. You seem to live in a fantasy land.
If I tell a boss to hire a local, he would, in the first place, ask me to mind my own business. Even if he's willing to tolerate such stupid questions, how can I justify asking him to pay thrice as much to a local in place of an FT? Do you know the shipping industry makes a killing simply because they can get away with paying foreigners a pittance? Do you even have any idea how foolish you sound? Businesses run to be profitable, not merciful. You are right, facts will remain facts. And the fact is that companies aim for profits.
"Are you demanding we become an authoritarian regime today?"
We already are. It has been so for a long time now. But you, despite being the brilliant one, haven't realized it.
"we have a long way to go to understand freedom"
I don't think you have any idea what freedom means.
Look, you want things to be better in Singapore, but you fail to realize that all this chest-thumping is just hot air. Won't get you or anyone here anywhere.
Originally posted by Fire Cracker:
well you just haven't kana the shit the foreigner is giving all singaporean. those foreinger degree are 1/2 farked rubbish degree. their university are not in the engineering board. why did singapore's company hired this kind of people?
and F.Y.I that indian from india i mentioned is not a PHD. he's just another degree holder from india's university.
4 years ago I had an indian boss, titled Director. He was good at entertaining all the people from head office, he brought in an accountant from india, after all the local accountants resigned, he set unrealistic targets for us to follow, and I never new if he had a degree. But hard luck, the people in the HQ thought he was good.
The most important thing for me at that time was that I had all my sales people understanding me and standing by me, these included 1 prc chinese. My life was tough, unbearable at times, but there was no point complaining.
I left the company 14 months after he came.
Since then I worked for a german boss, good life for a year, a new boss came, big problem to make him understand this is singapore, not germany; just when I thought we are getting along, the financial crisis started........
there is no difference between indian, prc chinese, angmoh, jap or singaporean, the difference is between the good the bad and the ugly. that's life!
Originally posted by Cram:
I think you're the ignorant one here. Forget my intelligence level; try answering the questions I raised without resorting to complete bullshit like telling friends and relatives how to manage their business. You seem to live in a fantasy land.
If I tell a boss to hire a local, he would, in the first place, ask me to mind my own business. Even if he's willing to tolerate such stupid questions, how can I justify asking him to pay thrice as much to a local in place of an FT? Do you know the shipping industry makes a killing simply because they can get away with paying foreigners a pittance? Do you even have any idea how foolish you sound? Businesses run to be profitable, not merciful. You are right, facts will remain facts. And the fact is that companies aim for profits.
"Are you demanding we become an authoritarian regime today?"
We already are. It has been so for a long time now. But you, despite being the brilliant one, haven't realized it.
"we have a long way to go to understand freedom"
I don't think you have any idea what freedom means.
Look, you want things to be better in Singapore, but you fail to realize that all this chest-thumping is just hot air. Won't get you or anyone here anywhere.
Not only is your intelligence suspect, your comprehension of simple engllish is atrocious. Did I tell you to confront your boss and ask him to hire local? Is your boss your family member, your relative or your friend?
Authoritarian regime? Do you see anyone cracking anyother's head now? Do laws here get enacted based on whims and fancies? Do I need to educate you on what authoritarian regime means? Or had I been living in China all these while?
And pray tell, what does freedom means to you, since you cannot even comprehand what is authoritarian regime?
When you are ready and prepared, then please reply my above 3 questions as i took the courtesy to reply yours. And do answer, as best as you can to salvage whatever's left of your nonsense going in between your...er..head.
I only ask a few simple questions to others here, but you sought to reply, which i welcomed, but instead you threw me your nonsense. All I asked is that you request your FAMILY MEMBER, RELATIVES, OR FRIENDS, if THEY ARE BOSSES, to give locals a chance, OR
if your FAMILY MEMBER, RELATIVES, OR FRIENDS, ARE SEEKING EMPLOYMENT, to be realistic with wage expectations in this crisis climate.
Are these questions TOO DIFFICULT for you to answer? I can oly presume those who are born out of a rock or hate everyone enough to live alone to find difficulty answering my simple questions. Are you one?
So please don't talk to me about politics or freedom if you cannot even answer or understand my simple questions. Pointless to talk about loftier aims if you cannot even do simple things like these.
Originally posted by xtreyier:We pride ourselves as a democracy. Thus we must accept the good with the flaws. Singapore is not communist state where the state controls all biz enterprises. Do you want our country to be a totalitarian state? It can be done, you know?
There is a line drawn between govt and biz enterprise, and there is so much govts can do before being accused of dictatorial authoritative rule with interferences. We could push our MPs to push for legislation, but once approved, it is across the board and may change the political landscape of our nation.
Utimately, the govts can only do so much. But we, the citizens are not without powers to effect change. We are a society, and much better placed to effect changes, espacially during these times. Singaporeans are pragmatic people and ruled by logic and reason with the issue of more socially responsible bosses. Change can only begin with you and me, at the bedrock base of where all society springs and grows- the family.
I don't really take pride in anything called "democracy". Indians claim India is the largest democratic country in the world, but the poor remain poor and the rich get richer.
The greedy wall street fat cats in the US, which many claim is the model of democracy, squandered billions from the poor; the government use tax payers' money to save companies where their CEO made billions in terms of salary, benefits and bonuses.
2 years ago I would believe that a democratic society with free market force is good for civilization. Today, it is obvious that democracy give the decision makers the freedom to write their own pay cheque. In this aspect, what's the difference between democracy and totalitarian?
While I agree that Singapore is small and vulnerable, and the government need to run the country in ways unique to Singapore, it is difficult to understand that we need to be "dictatorial authoritative" to our people, but give total freedom to companies, especial foreign MNC; it is difficult to understand how leaders of a nation are expected to be treated as CEO and citizens are citizens only if you are useful to the country.
Its about time we allow companies to come here just to employ cheap labour, enjoy low tax rate, and make maximum profit for repatriation. we should be asking how much are they contributing to the society in Singapore? how much are they spend on training locals staff every year, how much transfer of technology and knowhow.
there is no singaporen in this world. all the singaporean(99%) are foreigners. they come to work and live in this land recently or decades ago.
u tax foreigners at that rate, who would come to work in singapore? then, r u going to clean the toilet?
never seen something more stupid than this post
PAP? i think they do quite well
Originally posted by xtreyier:Not only is your intelligence suspect, your comprehension of simple engllish is atrocious. Did I tell you to confront your boss and ask him to hire local? Is your boss your family member, your relative or your friend?
Authoritarian regime? Do you see anyone cracking anyother's head now? Do laws here get enacted based on whims and fancies? Do I need to educate you on what authoritarian regime means? Or had I been living in China all these while?
And pray tell, what does freedom means to you, since you cannot even comprehand what is authoritarian regime?
When you are ready and prepared, then please reply my above 3 questions as i took the courtesy to reply yours. And do answer, as best as you can to salvage whatever's left of your nonsense going in between your...er..head.
I only ask a few simple questions to others here, but you sought to reply, which i welcomed, but instead you threw me your nonsense. All I asked is that you request your FAMILY MEMBER, RELATIVES, OR FRIENDS, if THEY ARE BOSSES, to give locals a chance.
Are these questions TOO DIFFICULT for you to answer? I can oly presume those who are born out of a rock or hate everyone enough to live alone to find difficulty answering my simple questions. Are you one?
So please don't talk to me about politics or freedom if you cannot even answer or understand my simple questions. Pointless to talk about loftier aims if you cannot even do simple things like these.
"
Authoritarian regime? Do you see anyone cracking anyother's head now? Do laws here get enacted based on whims and fancies? Do I need to educate you on what authoritarian regime means? Or had I been living in China all these while?"
You are blind. That's why you don't realize the nature of this regime. I only wish you would educate yourself, but that seems impossible. There are different kinds of authoritarian regimes - not all of them go around shooting people on the streets.
"All I asked is that you request your FAMILY MEMBER, RELATIVES, OR FRIENDS, if THEY ARE BOSSES, to give locals a chance..."
Man, are you dense! I told you clearly no boss will entertain such requests, friend, relative or family member. By the way, have you tried that bullshit with any boss?
And why don't you answer my question? What if the boss turns around and asks me how he will make a profit if he has to employ a local at three times an FT's wages? Do you see that your bullshit suggestion will not solve any problem? Or are you too blinded by nationalistic pride to think it can solve all problems?
And why don't you respond to my other points?
Why should the govt be involved in so many businesses? And if it is, why can't it legislate minimum wages? Why should it employ foreigners?
Yeah, I think I should stop talking politics or freedom with you, because you have no idea what they are.
Originally posted by yuyangsg:there is no singaporen in this world. all the singaporean(99%) are foreigners. they come to work and live in this land recently or decades ago.
u tax foreigners at that rate, who would come to work in singapore? then, r u going to clean the toilet?
never seen something more stupid than this post
PAP? i think they do quite well
Are you saying that 99% of those living in Singapore are only PR? Who are the 1%?
Apparently Singapore is not very successful in building a national identity.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
there is no difference between indian, prc chinese, angmoh, jap or singaporean, the difference is between the good the bad and the ugly. that's life!
I agree with you on this point. May I add - the cunning, the stingy, the double-faced....
People who have been working and moving around companies, sooner or later, will be forced to reckon with this universal truth.
Originally posted by Cram:
"Authoritarian regime? Do you see anyone cracking anyother's head now? Do laws here get enacted based on whims and fancies? Do I need to educate you on what authoritarian regime means? Or had I been living in China all these while?"
You are blind. That's why you don't realize the nature of this regime. I only wish you would educate yourself, but that seems impossible. There are different kinds of authoritarian regimes - not all of them go around shooting people on the streets.
"All I asked is that you request your FAMILY MEMBER, RELATIVES, OR FRIENDS, if THEY ARE BOSSES, to give locals a chance..."
Man, are you dense! I told you clearly no boss will entertain such requests, friend, relative or family member. By the way, have you tried that bullshit with any boss?
And why don't you answer my question? What if the boss turns around and asks me how he will make a profit if he has to employ a local at three times an FT's wages? Do you see that your bullshit suggestion will not solve any problem? Or are you too blinded by nationalistic pride to think it can solve all problems?
And why don't you respond to my other points?
Why should the govt be involved in so many businesses? And if it is, why can't it legislate minimum wages? Why should it employ foreigners?
Yeah, I think I should stop talking politics or freedom with you, because you have no idea what they are.
And why don't you answer my question? What if the boss turns around and asks me how he will make a profit if he has to employ a local at three times an FT's wages? Do you see that your bullshit suggestion will not solve any problem? Or are you too blinded by nationalistic pride to think it can solve all problems?
Ans: Are singaporeans asking for '3 times' the wage of FT today? No, they arent. Many locals claim they can do the job of FT, so dont you think bosses should give them a chance. Anyway, i did not ask you to confront your boss, I REPEAT. Who are you anyway that they will listen to? You will need a closeness to convince them of such social reponsiblities.
Is this bullshit? no. It works. Ask any businessman on 'connections'.
Am I blinded by nationalistic pride? No, only reflecting market reality that you may not have engaged in.
Why should the govt be involved in so many businesses? And if it is, why can't it legislate minimum wages? Why should it employ foreigners?
What biz had the govt involved in other than corporate entities locals do not have the competitive edge or the financial capital to do so? No. The govt only goes in, being the ones with society funds to create a stable employment and financial returns such as SIA, PSA, etc. On the whole, they had actively stayed away from other biz.
Minimum wage? That i cannot answer. It will be society's choice to push their MPs to legislate. I am no MP.
Hire foreigners? It is only because the govt are using our funds, and thus need to justify labour costs. But were fellow citizens denied opportunities in supervisory or management positions if they were capable? None that I know of.
And why don't you respond to my other points?
I had, with due respect answered your points. And yes, it is good NOT to talk to me about politics and freedom, simply because my original post had NOTHING to do with politics and freedom, which people like you have a warped idea like the africans of the 60s when they gain independence, and destroyed it thru their ignorance.
My original post is only about civic consciousness action, which is simple stuff you and I can do, which you ignored and gave excuses and detracted to loftier aims that you have no comprehension about.
Originally posted by xtreyier:And why don't you answer my question? What if the boss turns around and asks me how he will make a profit if he has to employ a local at three times an FT's wages? Do you see that your bullshit suggestion will not solve any problem? Or are you too blinded by nationalistic pride to think it can solve all problems?
Ans: Are singaporeans asking for '3 times' the wage of FT today? No, they arent. Many locals claim they can do the job of FT, so dont you think bosses should give them a chance. Anyway, i did not ask you to confront your boss, I REPEAT. Who are you anyway that they will listen to? You will need a closeness to convince them of such social reponsiblities.
Is this bullshit? no. It works. Ask any businessman on 'connections'.
Am I blinded by nationalistic pride? No, only reflecting market reality that you may not have engaged in.
Why should the govt be involved in so many businesses? And if it is, why can't it legislate minimum wages? Why should it employ foreigners?
What biz had the govt involved in other than corporate entities locals do not have the competitive edge or the financial capital to do so? No. The govt only goes in, being the ones with society funds to create a stable employment and financial returns such as SIA, PSA, etc. On the whole, they had actively stayed away from other biz.
Minimum wage? That i cannot answer. It will be society's choice to push their MPs to legislate. I am no MP.
Hire foreigners? It is only because the govt are using our funds, and thus need to justify labour costs. But were fellow citizens denied opportunities in supervisory or management positions if they were capable? None that I know of.
And why don't you respond to my other points?
I had, with due respect answered your points. And yes, it is good NOT to talk to me about politics and freedom, simply because my original post had NOTHING to do with politics and freedom, which people like you have a warped idea like the africans of the 60s when they gain independence, and destroyed it thru their ignorance.
My original post is only about civic consciousness action, which is simple stuff you and I can do, which you ignored and gave excuses and detracted to loftier aims that you have no comprehension about.
Singaporeans are not asking for 3 times an FT's wage, FTs are willing to work at one-third of what a Singaporean will need for decent living. That's precisely the cause of the problem. The problem is not with Singaporeans demanding outrageously high wages, but FTs willing to work for outrageously low wages.
If there were a minimum wage policy, it would change many things.
"Many locals claim they can do the job of FT, so dont you think bosses should give them a chance."
Of course they should, but what about the wages? When a boss says it makes business sense for him to hire FTs in place of locals, what does one do? Love for fellow Singaporeans won't help the bottomline.
"You will need a closeness to convince them of such social reponsiblities."
What is the need for all this? That's why I suggested that govt step in. But of course you have an aversion to govt interference in business.
"No. The govt only goes in, being the ones with society funds to create a stable employment and financial returns such as SIA, PSA, etc."
SIA, NOL, DBS, POSB, Singtel, Starhub, Singapore Technologies, Chartered Semiconductor, ST Micro...there's not a single "homegrown" business the govt has stayed away from. This is why there is no true Singaporean homegrown company (except for Creative), no entrepreneurship. Are you going to debate that too?
People like you are the reason why Li Ao said what he said. Try to think. Don't believe everything you read in ST or every govt release. Your blindness clearly shows when you try to pretend Singapore is a democracy.
Going beyond this issue, I think the govt blundered in not cultivating a diaspora. It should start now. Why should Singaporeans remain stuck to opportunities in this tiny red dot? The govt must aim to send people overseas so that they can take their true place in the first world, instead of competing with FTs for measly wages.
i say we follow australia and kill all foreigners or at least fill their homes with bullet holes
Originally posted by Cram:
Singaporeans are not asking for 3 times an FT's wage, FTs are willing to work at one-third of what a Singaporean will need for decent living. That's precisely the cause of the problem. The problem is not with Singaporeans demanding outrageously high wages, but FTs willing to work for outrageously low wages.
If there were a minimum wage policy, it would change many things.
"Many locals claim they can do the job of FT, so dont you think bosses should give them a chance."
Of course they should, but what about the wages? When a boss says it makes business sense for him to hire FTs in place of locals, what does one do? Love for fellow Singaporeans won't help the bottomline.
"You will need a closeness to convince them of such social reponsiblities."
What is the need for all this? That's why I suggested that govt step in. But of course you have an aversion to govt interference in business.
"No. The govt only goes in, being the ones with society funds to create a stable employment and financial returns such as SIA, PSA, etc."
SIA, NOL, DBS, POSB, Singtel, Starhub, Singapore Technologies, Chartered Semiconductor, ST Micro...there's not a single "homegrown" business the govt has stayed away from. This is why there is no true Singaporean homegrown company (except for Creative), no entrepreneurship. Are you going to debate that too?
People like you are the reason why Li Ao said what he said. Try to think. Don't believe everything you read in ST or every govt release. Your blindness clearly shows when you try to pretend Singapore is a democracy.
My dear Cram, judging your responses, it seems you dont read ST that much, which was why you commented not to believe everything they write. It would be a waste of your time to do so, wouldnt it?
I guess you not only dont read ST, you seem not to read much at all. Your knowledge is abysmally shallow in your peceptions of events. I am not about use further time to debate with you on the need for biz leaders' civic consciousness before the strong arm of the law moves in to dictate and direct companies, but to leave you to your comfort zone of deluded ignorance and obstinancy.
The govt must have disappointed you in some way, so much that your blind rage of greviance is displayed in full view, denying even reality. I sincerely wish I could help you to remove that hurt in you, and see you work constructively and RATIONALLY for our society.
No one owns monopoly on ideas. I certainly dont. Just because you think your ideas are right, it does not mean it is right for everyone else. There are complexities that must be ironed out before it gets enacted. That's why we have elected representatives to debate on it in Parliament.
There really is no need to be cynical and offer disparage sarcastic comments about your country. You can disparage me by all means, just as i do to you. It only discourages others, more so in these difficult times. This is our homeland, where we grew up with families, relatives and friends.
I am not calling for false hopes or propaganda, but obviously you are an intelligent individual and I had hoped for more intelligent but constructive posts that can help others to unite for a greater societal goal ( not political ) rather than for divisions.
But then, I am not about to curtail your freedom of speech . It is your right. To voice out, using different clones, even if it shows your prejudice, ignorance and obstinancy.
Yours sincerly.
Originally posted by xtreyier:
My dear Cram, judging your responses, it seems you dont read ST that much, which was why you commented not to believe everything they write. It would be a waste of your time to do so, wouldnt it?I guess you not only dont read ST, you seem not to read much at all. Your knowledge is abysmally shallow in your peceptions of events. I am not about use further time to debate with you on the need for biz leaders' civic consciousness before the strong arm of the law moves in to dictate and direct companies, but to leave you to your comfort zone of deluded ignorance and obstinancy.
The govt must have disappointed you in some way, so much that your blind rage of greviance is displayed in full view, denying even reality. I sincerely wish I could help you to remove that hurt in you, and see you work constructively and RATIONALLY for our society.
No one owns monopoly on ideas. I certainly dont. Just because you think your ideas are right, it does not mean it is right for everyone else. There are complexities that must be ironed out before it gets enacted. That's why we have elected representatives to debate on it in Parliament.
There really is no need to be cynical and offer disparage sarcastic comments about your country. You can disparage me by all means, just as i do to you. It only discourages others, more so in these difficult times. This is our homeland, where we grew up with families, relatives and friends.
I am not calling for false hopes or propaganda, but obviously you are an intelligent individual and I had hoped for more intelligent but constructive posts that can help others to unite for a greater societal goal ( not political ) rather than for divisions.
But then, I am not about to curtail your freedom of speech . It is your right. To voice out, using different clones, even if it shows your prejudice, ignorance and obstinancy.
Yours sincerly.
But people have been saying that ST only writes in such a way that it suits the government interests at all times, rather than the grim situation in reality.
I think we should follow the footsteps of Jack Neo as he criticises the government constructively in the movies he make. I hope one day he ever makes a movie which criticises government's excessive use of foreign talent in Singapore. Or maybe he has done so already but I've forgotten.
+1 Cram
Originally posted by dare82:But people have been saying that ST only writes in such a way that it suits the government interests at all times, rather than the grim situation in reality.
I think we should follow the footsteps of Jack Neo as he criticises the government constructively in the movies he make. I hope one day he ever makes a movie which criticises government's excessive use of foreign talent in Singapore. Or maybe he has done so already but I've forgotten.
He has done so in the show "I'm not stupid"
The part where they prefer the ang moh for the advertisement project... In the end anyhow one....
Originally posted by eagle:He has done so in the show "I'm not stupid"
The part where they prefer the ang moh for the advertisement project... In the end anyhow one....
That is more like a foreign expat not a FT.
FT comes from poorer countries by definition and work in the white collar professions.
Originally posted by dare82:
That is more like a foreign expat not a FT.FT comes from poorer countries by definition and work in the white collar professions.
My understanding of Expat vs FT.
Foreign expat is a worker who works on Expat terms. They are paid according to the same wage structure as their home country.
Most expats are transfered from their home country within the SAME corporation.
Foreign talents are LOCAL hires. They are paid on local terms. On local wage structures.
SO yes.. that guy in I not Stupid is a FT.
However.. if the guy works for a international consulting firm ( an independent contractor) .. he may be either a FT or a Expat.. depending on the terms of hire.
Originally posted by jojobeach:My understanding of Expat vs FT.
Foreign expat is a worker who works on Expat terms. They are paid according to the same wage structure as their home country.
Most expats are transfered from their home country within the SAME corporation.
Foreign talents are LOCAL hires. They are paid on local terms. On local wage structures.
SO yes.. that guy in I not Stupid is a FT.
However.. if the guy works for a international consulting firm ( an independent contractor) .. he may be either a FT or a Expat.. depending on the terms of hire.
Yes. But an American as a FT is arrogant. At least it's been acceptable for decades. It's not so surprising you see.
Whereas if a Burmese is arrogant here is not so acceptable.
Originally posted by dare82:Yes. But an American as a FT is arrogant. At least it's been acceptable for decades. It's not so surprising you see.
Whereas if a Burmese is arrogant here is not so acceptable.
Issit? But why the racial discrimination ?
American FT and Burmese FT should be treated the same what.
Any hooo... I think as a FT.. one must be cordial and respectful irregardless of the nationality lor.....
Yes. They are already welcome here to work with us and compete with us for jobs.
But imagine if they are already talented and even want to go one step further to play office politics with us and backstab us, leaving us even more helpless and in despair.
The worst thing that can ever happen is that one from a 3rd world ASEAN country even come here and behave proud, arrogantly and act like his daddy is rich here.
He come here as a refugee as his country is torn by political disasters and social dangers.
Americans, British or Canadians work here as FT. Their countries are richer than us.
Burmese, Viets, Thais come here as refugees as their homelands are ravaged halfways.
You know! I think in terms of upcoming racial harmony, Singapore should separate what I call pre-1965 races and post-1965 races.
Pre-1965 races are the Chinese, Malays, Indians, Eurasians, Caucasians. The Malaysians, Indonesians, China and India can also belong to this category.
Post-1965 races are mainly the new ones from the other ASEAN countries.
This is how the National Integration Council should help to integrate those new PRs.