Originally posted by eagle:It's just like fire
It can be good or bad, depending on the context you see it and use it.
Would you consider greedy about acquiring knowledge and skills a bad thing?
Of course, then again, one could use different words to make it sound better.
good and bad are defined by human, felt by human, so i think fire could not be called good or bad, it only become good or bad when different person manipulate it. right?
It's only interet and curiosity drive me to acqure more knowledge and skill. Maybe sometimes, it's struggle to be competitive urge me,
I feel it's a waste of life, to do sth you are not interested or good at.
anyway please don't mind, i am just trying to make fun
Originally posted by constantinePa:
good and bad are defined by human, felt by human, so i think fire could not be called good or bad, it only become good or bad when different person manipulate it. right?It's only interet and curiosity drive me to acqure more knowledge and skill. Maybe sometimes, it's struggle to be competitive urge me,
I feel it's a waste of life, to do sth you are not interested or good at.
anyway please don't mind, i am just trying to make fun
Why not? Fire can be used in a good way and a bad way. this applies to other stuffs in our every day lifes. For example, u complete a course in engineering. Another engineer in the society is another "future builder". but being an engineer, u are able to do bad things like hot-wiring a car, is that a benefit to the society?
Originally posted by dunno.com:no, FT tend to work harder.
i see , then take vietnam as an example, they are born to work under harsh situation, but locals, already work hard enough, but need some incentive, like higher salary, to compete with them, but i don't believe their english is as good as local, and local have more advantage in understand local, we can facilitate that in marketing, many thing could relate with the advantage,
but please don't condemn vietnam, i met some vietnamese, they are quite nice,
Originally posted by dunno.com:Why not? Fire can be used in a good way and a bad way. this applies to other stuffs in our every day lifes. For example, u complete a course in engineering. Another engineer in the society is another "future builder". but being an engineer, u are able to do bad things like hot-wiring a car, is that a benefit to the society?
man , i am not here for a debate, but i think keep right mentality is important, that's many things more important than job money, house, like we have the same span of life, but the width of life, is different, i think it's important to do with right mentality, so that, when we die , we don't feel much regret about life.
Originally posted by constantinePa:
i see , then take vietnam as an example, they are born to work under harsh situation, but locals, already work hard enough, but need some incentive, like higher salary, to compete with them, but i don't believe their english is as good as local, and local have more advantage in understand local, we can facilitate that in marketing, many thing could relate with the advantage,but please don't condemn vietnam, i met some vietnamese, they are quite nice,
i dont really understand what u are saying, but Vietnamese doesn't mean cannot learn right?
i mean people born in differernt enviorment, so tolerance of hard work is different, and if those vietnamese could come to work in singapore. Then they are not so bad, i am not sure how is the situation in vietnam, i heard it's poor.So people come here to work, for less salary, and live in cheap HDB, maybe 1600 is good for vietnam but, 1800 may not be good for local.local have to live here ,spend money here, they have no where to go, they cannot expect go to vietnam, then,3000 dollar, means alot of money, those who come to singapore are talent in vietnam, i don't believet that, local is more smart , more talented, people of different country, are same, if vietnamese work hard, then you can work harder, but we won't do that, because we expect use minimum effort, get maximum pay, if work hard means that OT, no weekend, the life is too intolerable for me,
So i hope you are not pissed because he is vietnamese, it's about being content, pin your eye more on yourself, am i good enough?
Sorry if this time you don't understand, it's beyond my limitation, that's i can get for my poor english education
Originally posted by constantinePa:i mean people born in differernt enviorment, so tolerance of hard work is different, and if those vietnamese could come to work in singapore. Then they are not so bad, i am not sure how is the situation in vietnam, i heard it's poor.So people come here to work, for less salary, and live in cheap HDB, maybe 1600 is good for vietnam but, 1800 may not be good for local.local have to live here ,spend money here, they have no where to go, they cannot expect go to vietnam, then,3000 dollar, means alot of money, those who come to singapore are talent in vietnam, i don't believet that, local is more smart , more talented, people of different country, are same, if vietnamese work hard, then you can work harder, but we won't do that, because we expect use minimum effort, get maximum pay, if work hard means that OT, no weekend, the life is too intolerable for me,
So i hope you are not pissed because he is vietnamese, it's about being content, pin your eye more on yourself, am i good enough?
Sorry if this time you don't understand, it's beyond my limitation, that's i can get for my poor english education
i roughly understand what u are saying. but u do know they come to singapore is to earn money for their homeland right? They work hard in our country = benefit for the country, i dont see how is that not good.
Originally posted by constantinePa:
good and bad are defined by human, felt by human, so i think fire could not be called good or bad, it only become good or bad when different person manipulate it. right?It's only interet and curiosity drive me to acqure more knowledge and skill. Maybe sometimes, it's struggle to be competitive urge me,
I feel it's a waste of life, to do sth you are not interested or good at.
anyway please don't mind, i am just trying to make fun
no worries, won't mind anything :D
Take things on forums with a pinch of salt ;)
Anyway, to make my point, good and bad are in your opinion defined by human. Which is exactly my point that whether the word greed is good or bad is defined by humans as well ;)
I learn for the sake of learning, for the fun, for the interest of it. My job, my tuition, I'm doing it out of passion, out of fun. I can be tired at the end of the day, but during the course of doing it, I forget my tiredness mostly. It's fun :)
Originally posted by eagle:no worries, won't mind anything :D
Take things on forums with a pinch of salt ;)
Anyway, to make my point, good and bad are in your opinion defined by human. Which is exactly my point that whether the word greed is good or bad is defined by humans as well ;)
I learn for the sake of learning, for the fun, for the interest of it. My job, my tuition, I'm doing it out of passion, out of fun. I can be tired at the end of the day, but during the course of doing it, I forget my tiredness mostly. It's fun :)
i think it's hard to define greed is good or bad, it work differently for different person, but if i say you are greedy, i think you will not take it as a compliment, i say many people , when they are richer, become less happier,
when they are poor, they work hard for better tomorrow, with maybe his GF, or spouse, but when he become rich, he forget the commitment made by him to his GF, there are hot chicks attracked by his money, and he is seduced, and his wife discover it, typical divorce case,
i think people don't realise, some rich are not happy, like jone D. rockefeller, when he is 30 plus, he looks like 50 years old. That's why he finally make alot of charity works.
Greed destroy his health and mentality completely.
So my principle is don't think too much, do it, it think working should be joyful in the first place for ordinary people. We don't own a company, however they do not need to undertake the risk of running a company. Working hard attitude is not pushed by other, but generated by the passion in your self.
i used a buddhism teaching to explain it, greed mean desire, being attached to what you want, i think nice working mentality mean, driving by passion not desire
Originally posted by eagle:no worries, won't mind anything :D
Take things on forums with a pinch of salt ;)
Anyway, to make my point, good and bad are in your opinion defined by human. Which is exactly my point that whether the word greed is good or bad is defined by humans as well ;)
I learn for the sake of learning, for the fun, for the interest of it. My job, my tuition, I'm doing it out of passion, out of fun. I can be tired at the end of the day, but during the course of doing it, I forget my tiredness mostly. It's fun :)
everyone talks about fun and wining, nobody talks about sad and losing. That is the fact of life.
Originally posted by angel7030:
everyone talks about fun and wining, nobody talks about sad and losing. That is the fact of life.
life consist of both winning and losing, if losing is the fact of life, i will say the life is pathetic.
Originally posted by constantinePa:
life consist of both winning and losing, if losing is the fact of life, i will say the life is pathetic.
losing is the begining of wining, life is both side of the good and the bad, you have to take it, both the praise and the insult.
Given a normal brain, nobody is born loser or stupid, it just lazy
Originally posted by angel7030:
losing is the begining of wining, life is both side of the good and the bad, you have to take it, both the praise and the insult.
Given a normal brain, nobody is born loser or stupid, it just lazy
i will say i am a fucking loser, not employed now, let's why i making posts on forum don't know how long time my life could get back right,
Originally posted by constantinePa:
i will say i am a fucking loser, not employed now, let's why i making posts on forum don't know how long time my life could get back right,
that is because you believe u are, nobody is saying you are a loser, but i believe you are simply lazy and not motivated after some traumatic change in your life..as a person, especially guys out there, you need to learn to take the up and down of life, life is a journey, do what you are happy at, in the end, sooner or later, no matter if you are rich, poor, lazy, hardworking or lousy, all will meet at the same junction. The Gate of death.
get your butts moving...
right, most of people will be like a loser for a while. Cannot always winning.
You know different person have different path. You have to rest before going for a strike. I think it take a little bit of more time for me to take the next strike.
but your advise is valuable , thx
Originally posted by constantinePa:right, most of people will be like a loser for a while. Cannot always winning.
You know different person have different path. You have to rest before going for a strike. I think it take a little bit of more time for me to take the next strike.
but your advise is valuable , thx
dun take sweet advice, i dun give sweet advices to failure, it will only weaken the power of progression, there are still many thing left undone in this world, go and do it, if our forefather had build a place for us, we should not be selfish not to build a nicer place for our next generation. Even ants, animals and all other creature are working for a living, stuggling everyday, get killed and hunted, but the struggle still goes on. The nature of life is just like a ship, once it reaches the bank, it will automatically straighten and align against it.
Originally posted by angel7030:dun take sweet advice, i dun give sweet advices to failure, it will only weaken the power of progression, there are still many thing left undone in this world, go and do it, if our forefather had build a place for us, we should not be selfish not to build a nicer place for our next generation. Even ants, animals and all other creature are working for a living, stuggling everyday, get killed and hunted, but the struggle still goes on. The nature of life is just like a ship, once it reaches the bank, it will automatically straighten and align against it.
you know it's easy to say than to do, if everything going as planned, then there will be no poors. i really need to rest , and wait. My primary goal for life, is not whether i am successful or not, i rather like a good family, healthy kids.
the ability of being happy is equal no matter how successful they are.
If you get the ability, then very probably i will be successful. but every human being is different, i think everyone have their advantage and disadvantage, someone going ways too far in looking for success.Forget the primary reason for doing that.
You know i believe in taoism teaching, so just be natural. Maybe it's the best thing for someone is low in life. Anyway my life is still ok. Don't worry.
Different person got different definition about life, i will go my way.
What Angel said is right. Get those warm butts moving. I was once like you, down, but I was never out. I hid within my own comfort zone, never venturing out, and began to rot in my despair. But one day I woked up and realized this is not life.
I re-analyze what was wrong and needed to be done. I re-started at the bottom , as a blule collar worker, worse off than a FW, to break my pride, break my ego, and rebuild my confidence, which is the most important ingredient for success.
Took orders without question from simple supervisors, and in time, saw and experience many issues that helped me frame a larger view of society that helped me later when I moved up the social ladder, re-establishing my network.
I see your situation as temporary lost of confidence in yourself. You will need to rebuild it up again. But then it is still up to you to wallow in despair. Only you alone can make a difference - up or down your choice.
A similar choice the majority of citizens whom are retrenched or out of jobs now, must make or the rot will set in. We can truly win and overcome adversities, but only if we never give up on ourselves. The evidence is the recovery from our previous and this current financial crisis, which will be over soon. Mankind did not rot, but each individual slogged it out, and everyone counts to successfully truimph together as a human race against the crisis.
Originally posted by xtreyier:What Angel said is right. Get those warm butts moving. I was once like you, down, but I was never out. I hid within my own comfort zone, never venturing out, and began to rot in my despair. But one day I woked up and realized this is not life.
I re-analyze what was wrong and needed to be done. I re-started at the bottom , as a blule collar worker, worse off than a FW, to break my pride, break my ego, and rebuild my confidence, which is the most important ingredient for success.
Took orders without question from simple supervisors, and in time, saw and experience many issues that helped me frame a larger view of society that helped me later when I moved up the social ladder, re-establishing my network.
I see your situation as temporary lost of confidence in yourself. You will need to rebuild it up again. But then it is still up to you to wallow in despair. Only you alone can make a difference - up or down your choice.
A similar choice the majority of citizens whom are retrenched or out of jobs now, must make or the rot will set in. We can truly win and overcome adversities, but only if we never give up on ourselves.
but i did not pop up to get advice, i just hoping to talk about on some specific issue, and i thank your advice. But you know someone is low temorarily, someone forever, but if i let's say, do not want to climb up the social labber in the first place.
You know any attempt could be end up with failure, and failure is hard to sallow. Maybe someone who try, he succeed, but no one even have the courage to give it a try. Because the hardnese of failure is harder to swallow than the temporary situation we are in, anyway i understand some retrenched worker, they have a family, and their saving is not enough, the very single dollar they spend ,means there a single dollar short in deposit.
You cannot expect that someone talk us on his inspiring journey to success, and want us to duplicate that. Success cannot be duplicated.
I hope you will not think those people who complain are losser, actually they are just not lucky enough, not everyone born in a rich family, not everyone receive enough education. Not everyone could be smooth in job hunting,
but the government cannot demand too much on each individual, not everyone could be elite, most of people end up of life , doing meaningless things.
it's not about everyone should contribute to society in a big way, so don't demand too much from ordinary people. We have something you don't have, you have something we don't have.
the government should look after it's citizen, not demand from it's citizen. If the enviorment is easy for everyone to make a living , then there won't be so many people complaining.
end of story
Most of the officials were walk over instead of being voted in.
They were brought in to become good followers and not look after any one except themselves.
Their high handed approach are evident with the recent cases of meet the people session.
Those that have served the people were removed or retired.
The foreign students were sponsored with school fees and living allowance using the people money.
Once they get the degree, they can leave without serving the 3 year bond as no one will chase away them for it.
As for the foreign talent, I classified them as foreign workers.
As for the foreign talent, I classified them as foreign workers.
FT is the propagandist term used by the PAP.
It is good that you reject their propaganda.
Originally posted by constantinePa:but i did not pop up to get advice, i just hoping to talk about on some specific issue, and i thank your advice. But you know someone is low temorarily, someone forever, but if i let's say, do not want to climb up the social labber in the first place.
You know any attempt could be end up with failure, and failure is hard to sallow. Maybe someone who try, he succeed, but no one even have the courage to give it a try. Because the hardnese of failure is harder to swallow than the temporary situation we are in, anyway i understand some retrenched worker, they have a family, and their saving is not enough, the very single dollar they spend ,means there a single dollar short in deposit.
You cannot expect that someone talk us on his inspiring journey to success, and want us to duplicate that. Success cannot be duplicated.
I hope you will not think those people who complain are losser, actually they are just not lucky enough, not everyone born in a rich family, not everyone receive enough education. Not everyone could be smooth in job hunting,
but the government cannot demand too much on each individual, not everyone could be elite, most of people end up of life , doing meaningless things.
it's not about everyone should contribute to society in a big way, so don't demand too much from ordinary people. We have something you don't have, you have something we don't have.
the government should look after it's citizen, not demand from it's citizen. If the enviorment is easy for everyone to make a living , then there won't be so many people complaining.
end of story
Who is the govt but representatives of our society? What had our society 'demanded' of you?
You are free to rot, to live on our handouts, sacrificed by the millions of us who worked as well as our forefathers who had contributed their earnings and efforts to our society. But there is only so much we can give.
You must help us ( society ) by working, getting a job, be responsible for those you take care of. Is this too much for you?
I am aware jobs are hard to come by, being that it is a crisis, not only for us but foreigners as well, but should we give up? Every dollar earned is every dollar saved. We all need to rationalized our spending. This is only temporary. Is this too much for you to handle?
Foriegners are claimed as taking over our ricebowls. It is not their fault. The ones to be blamed are our local bosses, who set wages, hire and fire. In such an environment, are we to take to the streets or just give up?
To take to the streets or whine or give up will only produce worse results detrimental to our lives. The only solution is for us all not to rot, but find employment, no matter how mean. It is only temporary, as others in the world too, are slogging it out. Is this too demanding for you?
Have confidence, fellow citizen. You arent the only one facing this situation. Many had and had overcome it over the years and will overcome this crisis eventually, better and stronger.
Originally posted by xtreyier:Who is the govt but representatives of our society? What had our society 'demanded' of you?
You are free to rot, to live on our handouts, sacrificed by the millions of us who worked as well as our forefathers who had contributed their earnings and efforts to our society. But there is only so much we can give.
You must help us ( society ) by working, getting a job, be responsible for those you take care of. Is this too much for you?
I am aware jobs are hard to come by, being that it is a crisis, not only for us but foreigners as well, but should we give up? Every dollar earned is every dollar saved. We all need to rationalized our spending. This is only temporary. Is this too much for you to handle?
Foriegners are claimed as taking over our ricebowls. It is not their fault. The ones to be blamed are our local bosses, who set wages, hire and fire. In such an environment, are we to take to the streets or just give up?
To take to the streets or whine or give up will only produce worse results detrimental to our lives. The only solution is for us all not to rot, but find employment, no matter how mean. It is only temporary, as others in the world too, are slogging it out. Is this too demanding for you?
Have confidence, fellow citizen. You arent the only one facing this situation. Many had and had overcome it over the years and will overcome this crisis eventually, better and stronger.
Work so hard to let the government bleed u dry for profit? The government gets foreigners to come because they know locals have no talent, hence they earn their profit from human life. And what do the government do? Sit in their chair waiting for the money to flow into their hands.
Social slaves
Me don like FT. Not all lah, mind, but most.
KNN de. Last time standard good. Now standard like KNN. Never ever join a company dominated with FT.
For many reasons, cannot work, cannot get along, try to sabo you, cannot protect singaporeans when we kena bully.
Originally posted by L.lawliett79:Me don like FT. Not all lah, mind, but most.
KNN de. Last time standard good. Now standard like KNN. Never ever join a company dominated with FT.
For many reasons, cannot work, cannot get along, try to sabo you, cannot protect singaporeans when we kena bully.
I bet FTs' work better than you thats why u jealous