Singapore healthcare
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Use Medisave does not mean it's free every month part of you salary goes to Medisave. Some folks really stupid, just because they don't see the cashflow like physically paying for the service, they think it's free.
Medisave is money belonging to you, set aside by the government, money that is illiquid, even if you are dying of hunger, you can't touch it.
yes, i understand that, dun think me young young is stupid, but tell me, how often you using medisave?? touch wood, what i am trying to say is that we got a better medical framework than others. Moreover if you are working, most likely you can recover your medisave, unlike many of those precarious work in malaysia, the employers dun even bother about your sick or pregnant condition.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Her his mind all for healthcare good in singapore by her beloved pap she will not take what others have to say about facts and reality.
yee ko ah bay see kway la!
Cannot blame her for angkat bolahing PAP, her kind of service needs government approval, if the government comes down on her, all her chickens have to be sent back to their country of origin. If so, then she can't live off the immoral earnings of her chickens.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
yes, i understand that, dun think me young young is stupid, but tell me, how often you using medisave?? touch wood, what i am trying to say is that we got a better medical framework than others. Moreover if you are working, most likely you can recover your medisave, unlike many of those precarious work in malaysia, the employers dun even bother about your sick or pregnant condition.
wat mke u so sure all employers in sg provide healthcare??? -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Her his mind all for healthcare good in singapore by her beloved pap she will not take what others have to say about facts and reality.
yee ko ah bay see kway la!
We are really good, i mean PAP aside. You cannot find such a good framework of medical care all over the world. No doubt other countries may often cheap or better price due to exchange rates, but for medical care, nothing beat Singapore. If you visit Raffles, Elizabeth, thomson, gleneagle and all those private hospital, you can bet half or more of their patients are foreigners, some even sold all their property to come and seek medical attention here, cos afterall health is wealth -
Originally posted by angel7030:
yes, i understand that, dun think me young young is stupid, but tell me, how often you using medisave?? touch wood, what i am trying to say is that we got a better medical framework than others. Moreover if you are working, most likely you can recover your medisave, unlike many of those precarious work in malaysia, the employers dun even bother about your sick or pregnant condition.
Even if I used Medisave, it's my own money, the government didn't give it to me.
Malaysia no Medisave, means they on their own accord have to set aside the percentage that our government set aside. Surely you are not young anymore and you don't need adults constant supervision to tell you what you need to do everyday and prepare for the future.
You have a choice in life.What about folks without or insufficient Medisave and Medishield?
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
wat mke u so sure all employers in sg provide healthcare???
employment laws, last time, i dun give my staffs to see doctor, cos i thot they work on contractual basis in a service industry, but damn, one of the gal got sick and run into high medical bills and i didn't bother to refund her, in fact, i removed her.Damn, she went to her embassy and complain and i kenna find $10,000, 10 bloody Ks by the MOM. Every employers under license must provide medical benefits to their employees, be it by insurance, by co payment or direct payment
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Even if I used Medisave, it's my own money, the government didn't give it to me.
Malaysia no Medisave, means they on their own accord have to set aside the percentage that our government set aside. Surely you are not young anymore and you don't need adults constant supervision to tell you what you need to do everyday and prepare for the future.
You have a choice in life.What about folks without or insufficient Medisave and Medishield?
If you dun use your medisave which buy your medshield insurance, you also cannot withdraw it, so used it, and if the medical cost excceed 1 k, you use your insurance thru medishield to pay. so good.
As a sole properiator, i had a choice, but i find medisave which buy your medishield very good, it really assure and ensure that your are protected, it can also buy medical insurance for your childrens if you have childrens, your old folks, like me, using it cover my grandma who infact is very rich liao.
Folks without medisave can top it up lah, month by month, just like buying insurance mah. And if you dun use it, after you die, past it to your decendent lah, they will be very happy, cos they dun have to top up theirs.
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
Govt and private healthcare different lar
You pay more money to see private spec
u always get friendly smile de....
For Govt~
Hello~How are u
Are u still alive
Please wait outside
~ ok there it goes take ur med
Come back and see me next round
It goes on and on
Not really, I have experienced myself on many occasions, private healthcare in Singapore is more competent than public.
Afew months ago, I had a viral infection, ended with a swollen lymph nodes. I went to a private GP on the first occasion was prescribed with augmentin, it didn't recover. So I went to a polyclinic, I told the doctor about my swollen lymph nodes (even pointed it out to her with my fingers), she told me she can't feel it, I had to point to her a second time.
In the polyclinic, I have encountered another case where a doctor gave a wrong prescription to the pharmacist, I overheard her talking on the phone with the pharmacist when I was in the room, apparently she OD the patient 10 times, 0.5 tablets was written as 5 times, luckily the pharmacist noticed the error.
Once I took my dad to SGH because of his arthiritis, the first senior specialist we saw said my dad doesn't need an operation because it's a minor case, told my dad to take some test and look for him again after the test. My dad went for the test, came back to the room, the senior specialist was attending to another patient, so we saw another junior specialist. This junior specialist told my dad to go for an operation, then I said your senior consultant said earlier on there was no need for operation, then I requested to him that I want to see the senior consultant because I think he is more competent.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
If you dun use your medisave which buy your medshield insurance, you also cannot withdraw it, so used it, and if the medical cost excceed 1 k, you use your insurance thru medishield to pay. so good.
As a sole properiator, i had a choice, but i find medisave which buy your medishield very good, it really assure and ensure that your are protected, it can also buy medical insurance for your childrens if you have childrens, your old folks, like me, using it cover my grandma who infact is very rich liao.
Folks without medisave can top it up lah, month by month, just like buying insurance mah. And if you dun use it, after you die, past it to your decendent lah, they will be very happy, cos they dun have to top up theirs.
Same as medical insurance, not a perquisite of citizenship like UK, Australia or the US.
No money means no insurance means no treatment, unlike UK, Australia or US.Your grandma also does mamasan business like you? The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree does it?
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5. I can't verify the waiting time in US, but I have ever waited 9 hours for a bed in SGH, went around noon, but they didn't have any available beds till 9-10pm that night.
My friend's mom gets admitted quite
frequently, most of the time she gets upgraded to A1 or B1 in TTSH
because there wasn't any available beds in C wards, but then they
will rush to discharge you even before the patient has fully
recovered. How many community (safety net and secondary
safety nets hospitals) are there to serve the 50 million Americans?
You made it sound like as if the ratio of
patients to hospitals are so insurmountable. I don't know about you but 3 times i had to rush some one i know in the middle of the night to SGH and all 3 times we were dealt with promptly and given a diagnosis in about an hour.
Even i myself went to SGH A&E on a weekend afternoon because my heart was beating irregularly. They decided to send me to NUH in an ambulance because the wards were full.
Difference experiences i guess.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I don't know about you but 3 times i had to rush some one i know in the middle of the night to SGH and all 3 times we were dealt with promptly and given a diagnosis in about an hour.
Even i myself went to SGH A&E on a weekend afternoon because my heart was beating irregularly. They decided to send me to NUH in an ambulance because the wards were full.
Difference experiences i guess.
Within an hour?
Are you sure?
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/a-28-hour-wait-for-a-bed-at-the-singapore-general-hospital/
A 28-hour wait for a bed at the Singapore General Hospital
Wednesday, 2 April 2008, 7:00 am | 1,200 views
Andrew Loh“In Singapore, within half-an-hour, you would be in SGH (Singapore General Hospital), TTSH (Tan Tock Seng Hospital) and within one-and-a-half to two hours flat, you’d know what went wrong.”
- Lee Kuan Yew, TODAY, November, 2003
Recently a friend of mine (we’ll call her ‘Esther’) was admitted to the Accident and Emergency (A&E) department of the Singapore General Hospital (SGH).
Esther had earlier seen her GP who recommended that she consulted doctors at SGH to determine the cause of her illness.
Day One
Registration – 8.40pm
The registration at the triage section of the A&E’s Isolation Ward (IW) was smooth and swift and went without a hitch. The triage nurse was courteous, friendly and apparently highly efficient. We thanked her and took our seats at the waiting area for Esther’s number to be called by the doctor on duty that night.
It was about 8.40pm.
The consultation with the doctor eventually took place at around 10pm – after some 1 hour 20 mins later. Esther was told that she had to be admitted for overnight observation so that more tests could be done to ascertain the cause of her illness.
So, we returned to the waiting area and waited for Esther to be assigned a ward and a bed. In the meantime, a nurse told us that they would find a bed in the IW for Esther to rest temporarily, instead of sitting on the chairs in the waiting area, which was an exercise in endurance for someone who is ill.
It turned out to be a frustrating, excruciating and a very long wait indeed.
At 12.20am, some 3 hours and 40 mins after Esther had registered at the A&E, I approached the triage nurse and asked if they were aware that Esther was waiting for a bed in the IW. (In all those 3 hours 40 mins, we were not informed or updated about when a bed might be available.)
The nurse was very understanding and explained that there were no beds available and that there was nothing they could do. And so the wait continued.
12.50am – 4 hours 10 mins
At 12.50am – 4 hours and 10mins after registration – we were finally informed that a bed was available in the IW’s Fever Zone. The relief – and exhaustion – on Esther’s face was evident. She would be able to rest her tired self finally.
The “Fever Zone”, where the temporary beds were, is a small section within the Isolation Ward. It has two rooms – one for male patients and one for female patients. Each room could hold about 6 to 7 beds. The Fever Zone is the place where patients who have to be warded are temporarily placed while waiting to be admitted to the wards of their choice.
Esther had opted for a B2-plus ward (5 patients in an air-conditioned room).
We were hopeful that we wouldn’t have to wait just as long for Esther to be assigned a bed in the B2-plus ward. The IW ward has its television and lights on 24-hours and patients are wheeled out to the wards and new ones wheeled in, a situation which doesn’t really allow one to rest properly amidst the noise and the comings and goings.
Our hope was misplaced.
The long wait was to last till the next day.
Day Two
9pm – 24 hours 20 mins
At about 9pm on Day Two – 24 hours 20 minutes after registration – Esther was informed that a B2 bed was available and the nurse asked if she wanted it. As a B2 ward is non-air conditioned, as opposed to a B2-plus ward, Esther declined. (See here)
The reason why she declined is because we suspected that Esther might have to stay quite a while in the hospital (as she already had 2 previous unsuccessful blood tests, one at a private hospital and the other with her GP) and because of her constitutional sensitivity to warm temperatures we decided to wait for a B2-plus bed.
Thus, we waited a further 3 hours.
12.50am – 28 hours 10 mins
At about 12 midnight, a nurse informed us that a B2-plus bed was available. Preparation was then made to transfer us to the ward. Esther was put on a wheelchair and wheeled to the corridor of the IW. We were so tired from all the hours of waiting. It was only 15 minutes later that we heard the nurse informing the ward, through a phone call, that Esther was ready to be transferred. A further 12 minutes later, a male nurse arrived to wheel Esther to the B2-plus area of the hospital. Esther had waited for about 30 minutes in the corridor.
It was 12.50am on Day Two before Esther finally managed to put her head down on a bed in a B2-plus ward.
All in all, from registration to being admitted to a B2-plus ward, it took 28 hours and 10 minutes.
Nurses were patient, courteous and professional
Now, before you think that my frustration is directed at the nurses on duty that night, let me say that they were very patient, courteous and professional in their duties. Although they could have done better in some areas – such as keeping us informed of the situation with the availability of the bed – it is understandable as the A&E is a very busy place to work in. The nurses also had to tend to many patients.
I would like to mention, particularly, the nurses at the IW’s Fever Zone. They were compassionate and understanding. This is especially commendable when one considers that most of the patients in the IW that night were elderly and weak.
One of the nurses explained to Esther that the situation has been such since the Chinese New Year. She also said that the wards in Tan Tock Seng Hospital were fully occupied and patients were being directed to SGH. Hence the shortfall of beds there.
A serious problem
Esther was not the only one who had to wait so many hours for a bed. But perhaps she is luckier than others who had had to wait in wheelchairs in the waiting area for hours and hours on end that night we were there – for even the number of beds in the IW is limited.
While MM Lee may be right that “within one-and-a-half to two hours flat, you’d know what went wrong” (even though in Esher’s case the cause of her illness is still unknown 5 days after admission to SGH), the other important thing is the availability, or the squeeze, on the number of hospital beds.
According to the nurses there, this is not a sudden or a temporary hiccup. It has been like this since the Chinese New Year, as earlier mentioned.
While we trumpet the excellence of our clinical healthcare service (and I don’t disagree with this), it is what happens on the ground to each patient that needs to be looked at.
Waiting for more than 28 hours for a bed is simply unacceptable.
I hope that the Minister for Health, Mr Khaw Boon Wan, will put some effort into solving this problem – especially now that he has been called “the best Health Minister Singapore has ever had” by none other than SM Goh himself. (Straits Times)
When you are sick and weak, you shouldn’t be made to endure a frustrating and excruciating 28 hours just for a bed.
And I am sure that Esther is not the only one who has had this experience.
Perhaps the new Khoo Teck Puat hospital in Yishun, scheduled to open in 2010, will help to alleviate the situation. But that is left to be seen.
One can only hope that Singapore’s healthcare system will not become what MM Lee said of the system in the UK, where he experienced “restlessness and unhappiness” when waiting for 45 minutes for an ambulance:
“There’s no connection between those in the system and the patients..”
- MM Lee, (TODAY)
From Esther’s experience, one could say the same for Singapore’s system as well.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
employment laws, last time, i dun give my staffs to see doctor, cos i thot they work on contractual basis in a service industry, but damn, one of the gal got sick and run into high medical bills and i didn't bother to refund her, in fact, i removed her.Damn, she went to her embassy and complain and i kenna find $10,000, 10 bloody Ks by the MOM. Every employers under license must provide medical benefits to their employees, be it by insurance, by co payment or direct payment
Pls, you think every employer will follow the law. u good example, longinchjohn
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My dad was sent to the A&E department three times in two months because of stroke and, each time, my family had to wait at least six hours before he was pushed to a ward…When my dad finally got to the ward, it was past 2am. And we had arrived at the A&E department about 7pm; it took more than six hours before my dad was seen by a neurologist. If my dad had been taken to the ward earlier and been treated by a neurologist, his chances of living might be higher…The neurologist told us that my dad had the worst kind of stroke anyone could get. Sadly, he was pronounced brain dead the next day.
- Ms Tan Tze Yee, author of the above letter, Straits Times Forum, Aug 18, 2005
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Recently, my father, who is in his late 70s and has multiple illnesses and end-stage renal failure, had to wait seven hours for a bed at the Singapore General Hospital (SGH). We were told that as no bed was available, he would be placed in the observation ward first. This had happened many times before and we were prepared to wait for one to two hours for a bed for him…However, it was not until seven hours later that he was wheeled into the ward. During this time, no doctor came to see him.
- Ms Rodziah Shaari, author of the above letter, Straits Times Forum, Aug 13, 2005
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SGH is the worst hospital in Singapore. Please if can be, don't go there. I have enough contacts from there (both drs and staff) told me how bad, how worst the place there is. eeee, yucks, pui!
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I don't know about you but 3 times i had to rush some one i know in the middle of the night to SGH and all 3 times we were dealt with promptly and given a diagnosis in about an hour.
Even i myself went to SGH A&E on a weekend afternoon because my heart was beating irregularly. They decided to send me to NUH in an ambulance because the wards were full.
Difference experiences i guess.
I forgot to mention, after the 9-10 hour wait, he was given a bed in the observation ward (where they have loads of beds on wheels, the whole ward has barely any walking space, it's all beds and more beds), not the normal wards in the upper levels.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Cannot blame her for angkat bolahing PAP, her kind of service needs government approval, if the government comes down on her, all her chickens have to be sent back to their country of origin. If so, then she can't live off the immoral earnings of her chickens.
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The day after, after going out for lunch, I went to the toilet. What I saw really scared me... there were some spots of blood... I didn't know what to do. I don't have an OB-Gyn yet, and I haven't been to any hospitals here. Plus in the office, only my team lead knows I'm pregnant. So while waiting for my team lead to return, I was panicking... I can't sit still! I called up all the OB-Gyns recommended to me, but no one answered. So I called up hospitals, asking them if I should go the hospital or what. The first hospital I called was Singapore General Hospital. The hospital staff told me to go to their A&E. As soon as my team lead appeared again in the office, I told him it's an emergency and I need to go to the hospital. So I took a taxi & went to the hospital.
When I got there... the waiting time is 3 hours! Omaygulay! Actually I didn't know SGH is a public hospital... wahahaha! I should have gone to a private hospital instead... I still stayed there, paid the $90 fee and waited. Lloyd arrived in the hospital a few minutes later. Since I really can't sit still anymore, I asked one of the nurses if there is a special case for pregnant women who's spotting. So she told me to go straight to the nurses cheking the BP, temp, etc. So I went there and they wheeled me inside (I don't know what's it called). From there, wait again! I think I was inside that room for an hour or so. This time Lloyd's not with me... he's not allowed inside. -
Originally posted by deepak.c:
Within an hour?
Are you sure?
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/a-28-hour-wait-for-a-bed-at-the-singapore-general-hospital/
A 28-hour wait for a bed at the Singapore General Hospital
Wednesday, 2 April 2008, 7:00 am | 1,200 views
Andrew
Loh“In Singapore, within half-an-hour, you would be in SGH (Singapore General Hospital), TTSH (Tan Tock Seng Hospital) and within one-and-a-half to two hours flat, you’d know what went wrong.”
- Lee Kuan Yew, TODAY, November, 2003
Recently a friend of mine (we’ll call her ‘Esther’) was admitted to the Accident and Emergency (A&E) department of the Singapore General Hospital (SGH).
Esther had earlier seen her GP who recommended that she consulted doctors at SGH to determine the cause of her illness.
Day One
Registration – 8.40pm
The registration at the triage section of the A&E’s Isolation Ward (IW) was smooth and swift and went without a hitch. The triage nurse was courteous, friendly and apparently highly efficient. We thanked her and took our seats at the waiting area for Esther’s number to be called by the doctor on duty that night.
It was about 8.40pm.
The consultation with the doctor eventually took place at around 10pm – after some 1 hour 20 mins later. Esther was told that she had to be admitted for overnight observation so that more tests could be done to ascertain the cause of her illness.
So, we returned to the waiting area and waited for Esther to be assigned a ward and a bed. In the meantime, a nurse told us that they would find a bed in the IW for Esther to rest temporarily, instead of sitting on the chairs in the waiting area, which was an exercise in endurance for someone who is ill.
It turned out to be a frustrating, excruciating and a very long wait indeed.
At 12.20am, some 3 hours and 40 mins after Esther had registered at the A&E, I approached the triage nurse and asked if they were aware that Esther was waiting for a bed in the IW. (In all those 3 hours 40 mins, we were not informed or updated about when a bed might be available.)
The nurse was very understanding and explained that there were no beds available and that there was nothing they could do. And so the wait continued.
12.50am – 4 hours 10 mins
At 12.50am – 4 hours and 10mins after registration – we were finally informed that a bed was available in the IW’s Fever Zone. The relief – and exhaustion – on Esther’s face was evident. She would be able to rest her tired self finally.
The “Fever Zone”, where the temporary beds were, is a small section within the Isolation Ward. It has two rooms – one for male patients and one for female patients. Each room could hold about 6 to 7 beds. The Fever Zone is the place where patients who have to be warded are temporarily placed while waiting to be admitted to the wards of their choice.
Esther had opted for a B2-plus ward (5 patients in an air-conditioned room).
We were hopeful that we wouldn’t have to wait just as long for Esther to be assigned a bed in the B2-plus ward. The IW ward has its television and lights on 24-hours and patients are wheeled out to the wards and new ones wheeled in, a situation which doesn’t really allow one to rest properly amidst the noise and the comings and goings.
Our hope was misplaced.
The long wait was to last till the next day.
Day Two
9pm – 24 hours 20 mins
At about 9pm on Day Two – 24 hours 20 minutes after registration – Esther was informed that a B2 bed was available and the nurse asked if she wanted it. As a B2 ward is non-air conditioned, as opposed to a B2-plus ward, Esther declined. (See here)
The reason why she declined is because we suspected that Esther might have to stay quite a while in the hospital (as she already had 2 previous unsuccessful blood tests, one at a private hospital and the other with her GP) and because of her constitutional sensitivity to warm temperatures we decided to wait for a B2-plus bed.
Thus, we waited a further 3 hours.
12.50am – 28 hours 10 mins
At about 12 midnight, a nurse informed us that a B2-plus bed was available. Preparation was then made to transfer us to the ward. Esther was put on a wheelchair and wheeled to the corridor of the IW. We were so tired from all the hours of waiting. It was only 15 minutes later that we heard the nurse informing the ward, through a phone call, that Esther was ready to be transferred. A further 12 minutes later, a male nurse arrived to wheel Esther to the B2-plus area of the hospital. Esther had waited for about 30 minutes in the corridor.
It was 12.50am on Day Two before Esther finally managed to put her head down on a bed in a B2-plus ward.
All in all, from registration to being admitted to a B2-plus ward, it took 28 hours and 10 minutes.
Nurses were patient, courteous and professional
Now, before you think that my frustration is directed at the nurses on duty that night, let me say that they were very patient, courteous and professional in their duties. Although they could have done better in some areas – such as keeping us informed of the situation with the availability of the bed – it is understandable as the A&E is a very busy place to work in. The nurses also had to tend to many patients.
I would like to mention, particularly, the nurses at the IW’s Fever Zone. They were compassionate and understanding. This is especially commendable when one considers that most of the patients in the IW that night were elderly and weak.
One of the nurses explained to Esther that the situation has been such since the Chinese New Year. She also said that the wards in Tan Tock Seng Hospital were fully occupied and patients were being directed to SGH. Hence the shortfall of beds there.
A serious problem
Esther was not the only one who had to wait so many hours for a bed. But perhaps she is luckier than others who had had to wait in wheelchairs in the waiting area for hours and hours on end that night we were there – for even the number of beds in the IW is limited.
While MM Lee may be right that “within one-and-a-half to two hours flat, you’d know what went wrong” (even though in Esher’s case the cause of her illness is still unknown 5 days after admission to SGH), the other important thing is the availability, or the squeeze, on the number of hospital beds.
According to the nurses there, this is not a sudden or a temporary hiccup. It has been like this since the Chinese New Year, as earlier mentioned.
While we trumpet the excellence of our clinical healthcare service (and I don’t disagree with this), it is what happens on the ground to each patient that needs to be looked at.
Waiting for more than 28 hours for a bed is simply unacceptable.
I hope that the Minister for Health, Mr Khaw Boon Wan, will put some effort into solving this problem – especially now that he has been called “the best Health Minister Singapore has ever had” by none other than SM Goh himself. (Straits Times)
When you are sick and weak, you shouldn’t be made to endure a frustrating and excruciating 28 hours just for a bed.
And I am sure that Esther is not the only one who has had this experience.
Perhaps the new Khoo Teck Puat hospital in Yishun, scheduled to open in 2010, will help to alleviate the situation. But that is left to be seen.
One can only hope that Singapore’s healthcare system will not become what MM Lee said of the system in the UK, where he experienced “restlessness and unhappiness” when waiting for 45 minutes for an ambulance:
“There’s no connection between those in the system and the patients..”
- MM Lee, (TODAY)
From Esther’s experience, one could say the same for Singapore’s system as well.
Yes i'm sure.
i certainly have not experienced the horrendous services you speak of.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
My dad was sent to the A&E department three times in two months because of stroke and, each time, my family had to wait at least six hours before he was pushed to a ward…When my dad finally got to the ward, it was past 2am. And we had arrived at the A&E department about 7pm; it took more than six hours before my dad was seen by a neurologist. If my dad had been taken to the ward earlier and been treated by a neurologist, his chances of living might be higher…The neurologist told us that my dad had the worst kind of stroke anyone could get. Sadly, he was pronounced brain dead the next day.
- Ms Tan Tze Yee, author of the above letter, Straits Times Forum, Aug 18, 2005
too many old men, if i am the daughter, i will get him into Elizebeth or glenn, afterall you get one father only. And you get to get 70% Medisave coverage too.
Are u sure her dad will get better if treated earlier?? she aint a doctor to say that. How about those found dead in the waiting room down Aminah hospital JB??
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Originally posted by angel7030:
too many old men, if i am the daughter, i will get him into Elizebeth or glenn, afterall you get one father only. And you get to get 70% Medisave coverage too.
Are u sure her dad will get better if treated earlier?? she aint a doctor to say that. How about those found dead in the waiting room down Aminah hospital JB??
u wanna compare jb and sg. why not u compare the pay of the ministers with theirs. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
Pls, you think every employer will follow the law. u good example, longinchjohn
longinchjohn is rather a trading business with his father in laws, seldom come back to see us, bloody hell, actually he should take care of the pub and not me. Nowsday, grandma said, man married out instead of married in...shit, all kenna my sister in law controlled -
SGH is popular for waiting
one
got appt or not no different
anway i scolded one dr there before
pay money ma
so got the right to scold...
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
u wanna compare jb and sg. why not u compare the pay of the ministers with theirs.
then our arguement will go on big round again. -
Originally posted by deepak.c:
I forgot to mention, after the 9-10 hour wait, he was given a bed in the observation ward (where they have loads of beds on wheels, the whole ward has barely any walking space, it's all beds and more beds), not the normal wards in the upper levels.
I'm not disputing that there are bad experiences in SGH, but you are talking of SGH as if it's some dysfunctional medical hospital