Singapore healthcare
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An interesting take in the Atlantic Magazine.
In Health Care, Do We All Lose to Singapore? -
There is the common saying that it is better to die than to be sick in singapore.
Go figure.
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Originally posted by charlize:
There is the common saying that it is better to die than to be sick in singapore.
Go figure.
I think that will change...govt now thinks it's better to die in JB. -
<> This is the typical way Sg is run. The govt runs almost everything from housing to utilities, to transport but Singaporeans basically funded them all and at a rather high price. Just imagine our private spending on health is 3 times greater than the UK and Japan! No wonder our health minister was so 'concerned' that he advised us to seek cheaper treatment overseas.
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Originally posted by pearlie27:
< that he advised us to seek cheaper treatment overseas.
Yeah....cheaper treatment, cheaper education, cheaper housing....everything seems to be cheaper overseas. No wonder people who leave don't want to come back! -
Sorry i don't know why sometimes my postings came out very weird and much as i tried i wont be able to edit or delete them. What i originally wanted to post is this and hope it comes out well: <> This is the typical way Sg is run. The govt runs almost everything from housing to utilities, to transport but Singaporeans basically funded them all and at a rather high price. Just imagine our private spending on health is 3 times greater than the UK and Japan! No wonder our health minister was so 'concerned' that he advised us to seek cheaper treatment overseas.
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Sorry i give up!
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omg, i thought private health spending in u.s. is expensive, ours is even higher!
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But the real winner of this graph seems to me to be Singapore, whose long lives and small health expenditures are the envy of the world.
Our PAP regime would rather go and lose billions and billions in investment or pamper foreigners, help foreigners integrate into Singapore rather than help the local citizens.
This type of government hard to find.
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what this graph didn't show is that the quality of life expectancy particularly the older folks....i wonder how they derive age 82 as the mean expectancy
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Originally posted by Cram:
An interesting take in the Atlantic Magazine.
In Health Care, Do We All Lose to Singapore?
Read carefully and do not get carried away by some gust of hot air blown up our ar...But there's a problem with turning Singapore into a sexy pin-up for health care wonks: it breaks a lot of rules. Conservatives should hate it because the government regulates supply and sets prices and forces all its citizens to put money into a health care savings account. More liberal reformers should be irked by its famously high co-pays to help the government recoup money, because too-high co-pays are supposed to discourage the less fortunate to seek preventative care when the illness can be more cheaply treated. As Watson Wyatt sums up, it's a bizarre combination of a public option and private special care where "the private healthcare system competes with the public healthcare, which helps contain prices in both directions."
When you take stock of the compulsory savings accounts, the mandatory payroll reductions and the copays, you've got something quite weird: A largely government-run program that is ultimately funded mostly by private spending. Indeed, as a percent of total expenditures, private spending on health is higher than the United States and three times greater than the UK and Japan.
So where will Singapore fall in the health care discussion? Probably close to nowhere, unfortunately. Singapore is an extraordinary hodgepodge of health care principles, but it's also a city-state whose health care system is comprised of fewer than 30 hospitals. Still, perhaps it deserves a place in the summer-long blockbuster discussion that begins with "What are we paying for, exactly?"Can Singapore Health Care System be comparable to the USA ?
A tiny red dot with a population of only 4.5 million ?
From the report, it clearly expose the lamentable fact that the Singapore Government is making a profit by charging Singaporeans for the use of the Health Care Services - whose infrastructure was built from the Citizens' money in the CPF.
The citizens are forced to save the money in the CPF, the government use the CPF to build the infrastructure of a Health Care System, and the Government will charge full market rates before giving a "discount" as a subsidy.
Where is the Government subsidy when the infrastructure was built with the Citizen's money ?
Where is the subsidy when the charges are based on "full market rates" based on the charges of similar services performed by private hospitals operated on commercial basis ?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
what this graph didn't show is that the quality of life expectancy particularly the older folks....i wonder how they derive age 82 as the mean expectancy
They should have taken a sampling of all the obituraries published in the local papers - over the last 5 years - and they will probably have to make corrections. -
Originally posted by Arapahoe:
what this graph didn't show is that the quality of life expectancy particularly the older folks....i wonder how they derive age 82 as the mean expectancy
How old is LKY?
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Well well well.
This is a very big topics.I am not here to say that SG is the best.
Just to share with u another side of the coin.
Pl dunt just quote this report or that report .
Any single one cant reflect the whole true picture.
Tell us the reality here.How is your experiences in SG?
Do u need to pay in other countries,even u are their citizens?
The fact that SG was ranked by WHO as the no.6 in the world health sys
in 2000 is not good enough.read EDB site.
The fact that 500,000 foreign patients seeking treatment in SG
last year is also not good enough.
The fact that SG Infant mortality rate: is the LOWEST in THE WORLD
is also not enough!!
1.Many just pay 10 to 50 % of the original cost,if u stay in gavaman hospitals!!
But sorry,legally speaking,all gavaman hospitals have been privatised
to allow feasibility to be ran!!
RANKINGS
I have said many times economics ranking cant put foods on the table.
Like wise,health ranking also canNOT cure your illness without proper resources.
Can BS help u?So,reality counts.zAll these survey just for reference.
ask yourself why 500,000 foreign patients,including of course many Amercian
and Europeans ,come to SG for treatment.U may get more info from Parkway
and Raffles medical groups whose foreign patients form at least
half of their business!!
http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_systems.html
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Rank Country
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece>>>>>>>>>>>>..
i dunt want to make u sleep!!
http://www.sedb.com/edb/sg/en_uk/index/industry_sectors/healthcare/facts_and_figures.html
references--
http://www.american.com/archive/2008/may-june-magazine-contents/the-singapore-model
http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/01/14/singapores-health-care-system/
this will make u sleep!!
http://www.who.int/whr/2008/en/
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Americans coming to Singapore for treatment does not mean that Singapore is better than US, it just means that Singapore is cheaper than US, just like Singaporeans going over to Malaysia, China and India for treatment.
Any of the hospitals here better than John Hopkins?
So early in the morning and you are chasing the dragon.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
How old is LKY?
he will be 86 this year. damn it, we are still waiting for his demise. come come, heaven please expedite his demise, please tolong tolong!! -
If you still can't figure out the WHO report, it's a report based on financials and not on health standards.
The less the government spends on it's citizens, the more highly rated would be the health ranking, Singapore government contributes the least to patients, they rather that patients pay everything themselves.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
he will be 86 this year. damn it, we are still waiting for his demise. come come, heaven please expedite his demise, please tolong tolong!!
wah u hate him so much ah. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
he will be 86 this year. damn it, we are still waiting for his demise. come come, heaven please expedite his demise, please tolong tolong!!
When he came into power he irritated the Malaysian politicians and the same thing he is going to do when he exit and when he is doggone there is still his son so where does it lead to.....his grandson? -
Originally posted by s0nic:
wah u hate him so much ah.
please don't specially picked on me to make such statement. I suggest you go delphiforums and tell those ppl. See what u get from them. ha ha ha ha haso u love him so much that motivate u to make such a statement. I suggest u mind your own business.
You sound very much a frog in the well. go widen your horizon rather than come here pinpointing.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
When he came into power he irritated the Malaysian politicians and the same thing he is going to do when he exit and when he is doggone there is still his son so where does it lead to.....his grandson?
It has been said and proven that sometimes curses will be upon the next generations. -
Originally posted by Fantagf:
please don't specially picked on me to make such statement. I suggest you go delphiforums and tell those ppl. See what u get from them. ha ha ha ha haso u love him so much that motivate u to make such a statement. I suggest u mind your own business.
no la. not purposely want to pick on u.. cos he is the mp of my GRC..
okie la.. sorry fanta.. 
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Originally posted by s0nic:
no la. not purposely want to pick on u.. cos he is the mp of my GRC.. okie la.. sorry fanta..
so what the fuck??? he mp of your GRC you must por por at my expense. he also my mp of my GRC, so so what! lackey like you is the cause of singapore can't get rid of PAP. and don't ask me which constituency, i am not going to tell you, si gian nah!I even went to hear him spoke before. but still never change the fact he is such and such.
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
Americans coming to Singapore for treatment does not mean that Singapore is better than US, it just means that Singapore is cheaper than US, just like Singaporeans going over to Malaysia, China and India for treatment.
Any of the hospitals here better than John Hopkins?
So early in the morning and you are chasing the dragon.
Cost is a factor, isn't it? The failure of the US healthcare system lies in the fact that it is horrendously expensive. And insurance isn't cheap either.
How successful is a country's healthcare system when its citizens have to go elsewhere simply because they can't afford treatment?
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Originally posted by Cram:
Cost is a factor, isn't it? The failure of the US healthcare system lies in the fact that it is horrendously expensive. And insurance isn't cheap either.
How successful is a country's healthcare system when its citizens have to go elsewhere simply because they can't afford treatment?
Actually the cost are you referring to? The cost of subsidies from the government or the cost to US citizens?When something is privatised, the cost of that service will escalate as compared to when it is under the premise of the government.
If a person can't afford to pay subsidised rates through medicare, then what makes one thing that he can afford to take a plane to Singapore, live in a hotel for afew days, go through a SG$25k to $50k operation, convalesce in the hospital ward for a week.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070619135151AAplSv1
If you look at the US census, the majority of folks who can't pay the medicare rates are the indigenous Indians, Blacks and Hispanics. Seriously, the medicare rates are similar to the medishield rates, if you have a proper job, you shouldn't have any problem paying it. Do you know the occupation for these three races? Do you think these folks have the financial resources to fly to Singapore for an operation? All these under privilege folks are not neglected (like what most would think), they have charitable hospitals for these folks to seek medical treatment.
Seriously, the quality of service between US and Singapore is different. It's also difficult to compare the cost levels, because both countries are at different stages of economic development.
Consider the cost of public hospitals in Hong Kong and Singapore. Why is the cost in Singapore so much more than in Hong Kong? Don't you think that you have been suckered by the regime? Both countries are similar in terms of resources, demography and economic development. But cost of medical services in Hong Kong is a fraction of Singapore's. Looking at the budget every year, it's strange that Singapore hospitals have no income whatsoever, but every year in the budget there is an apportionment of cost to health services.
Hong Kong Hospital Charges (With an exchange rate of HK$ 1 = SG$ 0.188)
A&E = SG$18.80
In-patient (General acute beds) = SG$28.20
Day procedure at Oncology and Renal Clinics = SG$15.04
General out-patient = SG$8.46
Link: Hong Kong Hospital Authority