Achilly there are some inside people in the Military in close contact with the CIA waiting to get rid of him only problem is have to wait long long for these Generals to start growing testacles for them to act.
Would you recommend the same course with regards to Bush before he attacked Iraq in 2003?
Actually, they need Obama to sign a Presidential Finding to authorize a hit on the mad Kim. Assassination as foreign policy is banned under the Executive Order 12333 unless the President waive it off. Trouble is Obama is more on dialogue than going through the dirty route.
Would you recommend the same course with regards to Bush before he attacked Iraq in 2003?
Actually, if the Bush Administration would just come clean and say they want to take out Saddam cause he is a bad dude instead on riding on bad intelligence about WMDs, we wouldnt have the problems that we are facing today. Face it: Saddam is a bad motherfucker who rules like a maniac, his son Uday has a tendency of kidnapping women off the street just to rape them. What kind of person would not want to remove him?
Face it: Saddam is a bad motherfucker who rules like a maniac, his son Uday has a tendency of kidnapping women off the street just to rape them. What kind of person would not want to remove him?
I rather go kill Bush.
Face it: Bush is an aggressive mother fucker who goes around attacking states to grab oil.
Who Will Stand Up to America and Israel?
Well, The US will never adopt the same policy for every single threat in the world today. Like Israel for example, they need Hamas and Hezbollah as a focus of fear so that they could justify their actions like expanding their settlements in the West Bank. Imagine if the Hezbollah and Hamas are removed from the equation, they have no justification for their occupation of Golan Heights or an excuse for destabilizing the Palestinian Authority rule by destroying totally the infrastructure for the Palestinians to create a separate state. Every rocket attack by Hamas is met by unequal force of destruction by the Israelis. Want a peaceful Middle East? Remove Hamas and Hezbollah by covert means and push a secular and more peaceful leader to put the peace process back on track. Engage Iran in diplomacy and covertly push for mainstream Mullahs to be in power, like Khatami.
AL-Qaeda and Usama Bin Laden? i dont believe the mightiest superpower in the world today cannot be able to track this elusive tall man with a kidney problem. They need him to be around so that they can push the element of fear in the civilians so they would not vote against any draconian laws they push, like the Patriot Act. A new-age bogey man.
North Korea? They could have finished the job during the Korean War in 50s, But when MacArthur the General who was the commander of the campaign push for an all out aggressive defeat of the North, he was villified and removed from command and instead a truce is signed keeping the Korean Peninsula is the constant fear of all out war. Communism was the bogeyman in 40s-90s like how terrorism is during this era.
N.Korea is a failed state. Regardless if it a communist or democratic state, it is the people who determined their leaders. If communism works, and the people are well fed, then it is their right to deny democracy and no one other nation should interfere in that country.
But eversince 1953, communism had failed that country and kept the masses impoverised and starving for decades. Yet the people had failed to overthrow their political leaders. Repressional scare tactics are not an excuse, for no matter how mighty the political leaders are, how militarily equipped they are, they are still only a minority and can be overwelhmed.
That the people do not, then they must share in the responsibility that their leaders had undertaken, and that is to destroy S.Korea with their nukes as well as releasing radio-active dust into our wind driven atmosphere, contaminating fellow asian states.
The nutcase Kim and his elites will be hiding underground should an military response be meted out by its surrounding nations in an act of defence to N.Korean belligerance. He does not mind the millions dead, even his soldiers, for it would mean lesser mouths to feed and be responsible for, when another armistic is declared. He and his elites will survive.
But many of the ordinary N.Koreans will be dead. Therefore it behooves the people, including the soon to go hungry soldiers, to rise up now to overthrow the political masters. No one else can help them now except themselves.
Once the shooting begins, there will be no mercy from the outside world and will be meet with corresponding responses. Victims' families, relatives and friends will demand of it or they will topple their own political leaders.
Either way, the ordinary N.Koreans will lose their lives, but if they overthrow their inept political leaders now, more need not die in an outright act of war nutcase Kim is leading them into.
There is no other way to stop Kim and his active spies already in S.Korea. The flashpoint of no return will happen anytime. Only the ordinary people can stop this madness.
Online pettitions, leaflets, radio communications, etc must immediately be broadcasted to the N.Korean people, or it will the greatest tragedy that will happen to humanity after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This time is for real.
The nutcase Kim
I don't see how Kim Jong Il is nutcase.
He seems like quite a shrewd guy to me, judging by the fact that USA can do nothing against him.
I like the fact that he can stand up against the USA and USA can't really do anything about it.
Can't say the same for other states like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Yugoslavia, Panama, Grenada, Libya etc.
On December 2, 1967, USS Pueblo manned by Capt. Lloyd M. Bucher, six officers and 75 enlisted men of the US Navy and two civilians left the US naval base at Sasebo (Japan) on a spy mission. 50 days later at 13:45 hours, North Korea dispatched 4 P4 patrol boats and 2 MiG fighters to capture the American spy ship. One American sailor was killed during the capture.
Kim Jong Il personally directed this operation. Park In Ho, a People's Hero, participated in the operation as a marine and recalls: "We asked them for their nationality but they turned a search light on us and came toward us. They probably thought that no one would dare to mess with the Americans. They were mistaken. Our 7-men marine unit boarded the ship and captured all 80 of them in no time at all".
This was the first time an American warship was captured intact by the enemy in its 106-year history. The national security advisers met at the White House in rage. They considered the Pueblo capture a war provocation and wanted nuclear retaliation. According to then Secretary of Defense Clark Clifford, some hot heads wanted to drop nuclear bombs on Pyongyang. However, the cool heads prevailed. President Lyndon B. Johnson determined that America was in no position to engage in two wars - one in Vietnam and another in Korea.
Johnson's first move was to ask the Soviet Union to press North Korea to release Pueblo and her crew. Accordingly, the Soviets asked North Korea to comply with the US demand. But Kim Jong Il rebuffed the Soviet pressure and retorted that: "We will punish anyone who violates our territory in accordance with our law. They came on their own will but they will not be allowed to leave at will."
Kim Il Sung recalled: "Comrade Kim Jong Il told me that he will not release the captured Americans unless they signed a surrender document. We will keep Pueblo as a war trophy even after they sign the document. Pueblo will some day be made into a museum so that our future generations will remember our deeds."
The Americans were enraged and debated the following plans of action:
The United States dispatched three carrier battle groups to Korea and deployed strategic bombers for nuclear attacks on North Korea. USS Enterprise accompanied by 16 destroyers and battleships operated in waters 50 miles south of Ullung-do. In addition, the United States had 372 war planes ready to attack North Korea. For the first time since the Cuban crisis, a Presidential executive order was issued to mobilize 15,000 air reservists.
North Korea at the time was armed with conventional weapons only, but it refused to back down. On the contrary, it went on the offensive. At 21:00 hours of April 14th, 1968, North Korean troops attacked American and South Korean troops at Dae Sung-dong south of Panmunjom. They killed two Americans, two South Koreans and wounded several. From 1967 to 1969, four such attacks occurred killing 11 Americans.
It was the United States that blinked first. US Army Gen. Gilbert H. Woodward was forced to sign a surrender document on behalf of the United States Government and accepted 82 POWs and one corpse at a Panmumjom ceremony. This was December 23, 1968. Some 30 years from this day, the USS Pueblo is still in North Korea.¦
In December 1998, Kim Jong Il had Pueblo moved from Wonsan to Dae-dong-gang, where another American warship Gen. Sherman was sunk in September 1866. Pueblo is moored at the site of the sinking as a witness to the continued aggression of the United States.
On April 15, 1969, an American EC-121 spy plane took off from an air base at Azuki (Japan). The plane carried 30 US Navy officers and enlisted men and one US marine. It flew along the east coast of North Korea on a spy mission. The plane lost radar contacts near Chung-jin at about 14:00 hours. About one hour and 55 min later, Radio Pyongyang announced that the Korean People's Army shot down the spy plane with a ground-to-air missile. The plane went down with its crew into the depth of the East Sea. Kim Jong Il commanded this operation.
Richard Nixon accused Lyndon Johnson of mishandling the Pueblo affair, but soon after his inauguration, Nixon was unexpectedly handed the EC-121 incident. Nixon dispatched two carrier battle groups to Korea and stationed F-4 fighter-bombers on South Korean bases.
As in the case of Pueblo, North Korea refused to be intimated by the American show of force and went on its own show of force. On August 17, barely 4 months after the spy plane incident, the North Korean Army shot down an American helicopter (OH-23) near Hangang. Three of the crewmen were wounded and captured alive. On December 3, 1969, the United States signed a letter of apology for the release of the crew.
In June 1976, the United Stated began Team Spirit military exercises aimed at waging nuclear war on North Korea. On August 18th, less than two months after the exercise began, three American officers, 7 enlisted men and 5 Korean workers appeared at the Bridge of No Return. They claimed that a large poplar tree near the bridge got in the way of an American observation post and proceeded to chop down the tree. Earlier on August 6th, they tried to cut down the tree but North Korean soldiers chased them away. A North Korean officer told the group to stop cutting the tree, but the American officers refused to obey and started a quarrel.
Kim Jong Il ordered that the Americans should be taught a lesson. He also told the troops not to harm the South Korean workers. The North Korean officer took off his wrist watch and knocked down an American officer in charge with one blow, whereupon, another American officer grabbed an axe from a Korean worker and threw it at the North Korean officer. The North Korean caught the axe in the air and axed the American to death. An American captain and a lieutenant were killed and eight Americans were injured.
It is interesting to note that the whole event was video-taped by the Americans from an observation post. Another point to note is that even though an American quick reaction force unit stood nearly, the order to counter-attack never came. The US released only the part of the video that showed the North Korean officer axing the Americans and hid the scenes leading to it from the public. The world opinion sympathized with the Americans and the North Koreans were shown to be barbaric savages. The Non-Aligned Nations Conference at Colombo voted down North Korea's demand for US troop withdrawal and confederal union of Korea on the same day.
The US Commander in Korea, Gen. Richard Stilwell, was vacationing in Japan at the time and upon hearing the news of the axe killings, he rushed back to Korea in the back seat of a fighter plane. The United States again dispatched a carrier battle group and strategic bombers to Korea on account of a poplar tree under the code name Operation Paul Bunyan. The Americans moved tactical nukes to the DMZ area in plain view of the North Koreans. B52 bombers loaded with nuclear bombs left Okinawa and flew toward Pyongyang. They would make sharp u-turns upon reaching the skies over the DMZ. Kim Jong Il was not impressed and laughed at the American moves.
On August 21, about 7 O'clock in the morning, a company of US army engineers escorted by US and South Korean special forces units arrived at the poplar tree. 20 troop carrying helicopters protected by 7 armed helicopters hovered above. The North Koreans fired at the command helicopter carrying the American commander (Gen. Brady), which crash-landed. Later that day, an emergency meeting was held at Panmunjum and North Korea handed a memo from the North Korean Supreme Commander to the UN Commander.
The United States contracted the Science Applications, Inc. (SAI) to research nuclear war on North Korea. According to the SAI report, the United States must destroy with nuclear weapons at least 30% of North Korea's tanks, artillery and other equipment, 40% of the troops and 50% of its communication systems. The report went on to say that at least 30 nuclear bombs must be fired from 15 km from Seoul.
From 1960 to 1970, the United States was engaged in Vietnam and had no resources to fight another war in Korea. But 1970 heralded the end of the Vietnam War and the United States ratched up its nuclear threats on North Korea. US helicopters ferried nuclear weapons from storage locations some 35 to 50 miles south of the DMZ. In 1975, the United States, fearing North Korean attacks on its nukes at the DMZ, relocated them to rear areas.
In June 1975, US Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger said that in case of a North Korean attack, the United States would mount nuclear attacks or drastically increase its ground troops. Gen. James Hollingsworth stated that the US had a '9-day war plan', according to which North Korea would be defeated in a few days in a violent clash with 700-800 air sorties.
On the occasion of Park Jung Hee's assassination on October 26, 1979, the United States dispatched a carrier battle group to the waters of Chejudo and on November 14th, it dropped 11 life-size dummy nuclear bombs in a practice run.
The Reagan's hard line administration made the Korean situation worse. The United States practiced its deep strike and air-land battle doctrine in Korea. The United States expanded combat troops to 191,700, of which 118,000 were Koreans and 73,700 were Americans.
What did North Korea do to counter the US threats?
First, in 1983, North Korea moved its strike forces stationed at north of Pyongyang and Wonsan to the front areas.
Second, North Korea conducted three joint naval exercises with the Soviet navy from 1986 to 1989. The Soviet Union was leaning toward detente with America at the time and these joint exercises were ineffectual.
Third, North Korea proposed a 3-party peace conference of North, South and the United States. North Korea for the first time was willing to negotiate with South Korea, but the United States turned down this proposal.
Normally, I try to be as gracious as possible, I do try....
BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE, STOP YOUR GODDAMMED TWIST OF EVENTS AND YOUR FUCKING LONG COPIED POSTS!!
A FUCKING TRAGEDY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, FOR FUCK SAKE!
A FUCKING TRAGEDY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, FOR FUCK SAKE!
Like what?
Israel going to attack people again?
I like the way North Korea fucks with USA and USA can't do shit about it:
Four North Korean fighter jets intercepted an unarmed United States Air Force spy plane on a surveillance mission over the Sea of Japan on Saturday, and came within 50 feet of the American aircraft, military officials said today.
The fighters shadowed the spy plane, an RC-135S Cobra Ball, for 22 minutes in international airspace about 150 miles off the North Korean coast, said Lt. Cmdr. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman. No shots were fired, officials said...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/04/world/north-korea
In contrast, North Korea has not only the military power but also the political will to wage total war against the United States. North Korea has made it clear that it will strike all US targets with all means, if the US mounted military attacks on North Korea.
That North Korea's threat is no bluff can be seen from the aggressive actions taken by North Korea since the Korean War armistice, most recent of which is North Korea's attempt to capture an American spy plane.
In the morning of March 1, 2003, an American RC-132S spy plane, Cobra Ball, took off from a US airbase in Okinawa, and cruised along the East coast of North Korea collecting electronic signals. The US intelligence suspected that North Korea was about to test a long-range missile and the plane was there to monitor the suspected missile launch.
When the US plane reached a point about 193 km from the coast of North Korea, two MiG-29 and two MiG-21 fighter planes showed up unexpectedly. The North Korean planes approached within 16 m and signaled the US plane to follow them. The US pilot refused to follow the command and left the scene posthaste. The US plane was tailed by the hostiles for about 22 min but let the US spy plane go. There are two key points to be observed here.
First, the hostile planes waited for the US plane at the Uhrang airbase, located about 200 km from the point of air encounter. They knew that the US plane was coming. The North Korean planes flew 200 km to intercept the US plane. Did the US plane see them coming? If it did, why no evasive action? After intercepting the US plane, the hostile planes dogged it for 22 min. Why no American planes for the rescue? The US crew must have informed the base of the danger they were in, but no action was taken by the base. If Kim Jong Il had given the command, the MiGs would have shot down the US plane and returned to their base before the US could have scrambled war planes.
Second, North Korea intercepted an American spy plane flying 200 km from its coast. According to the international norm, a nation's territorial air space extends 19 km from its coast line. The US is the exception and claims air space of 370 km from its coast line; any foreign airplane violating this extended air space is challenged or shot down by the US military.
North Korea's war plan in case of an US attack is total war, not the 'low-intensity limited warfare' or 'regional conflict' talked about among the Western analysts. North Korea will mount a total war if attacked by the US. There are three aspects to this war plan...
http://www.kimsoft.com/2003/nk-war-han.htm
In 1993 there was a nuclear crisis between North Korea and USA.
At the end of May 1993, North Korea test fired long range missiles as a display of strength to the USA.
A North Korean missile test occurred on May 29 and 30, 1993. North Korea fired a Nodong-1 missile into the Sea of Japan, from a base near Wonsan, North Korea. The target was a buoy floating in the Sea of Japan (East Sea of Korea)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_North_Korean_missile_test
According to below source, the missile in fact flew over Japan and not just into the sea of Japan:
The mass-circulation daily in Seoul, The Choson Ilbo, reported on May 23 (early edition) that the Rodong-1 ballistic missile test-fired by the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the end of May, 1993 did not splashed down in the Sea of Japan (a range of 500 km) as initially reported but flew over the Japanese archipelago and impacted in the Pacific Ocean 1,300 km away from the launch site.
The Choson Ilbo story was carried in the morning edition of The Yomiuri Shimbun published in Tokyo on May 23. The Seoul daily based its report on a revelation by a government source.
The United States notified the South Korean side of the fact at the end of last year and the two countries changed the estimated range of the missile from 1,000 km to 1,300 km.
The same source was quoted as saying that the American intelligence authorities discovered thermal traces of the fall of the missile's warhead in waters near the Tsugaru Straits according to information provided by an infrared surveillance satellite after the test.
http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/kmc10.htm
Mark Kirk tells his story on this missile test in 1993:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- When the subject is whether the United States needs a missile defense system, Rep. Mark Kirk harks back to a haunting night in the Pentagon's intelligence center.
As a Naval Reserve lieutenant commander, Kirk was the sole Navy man on duty when North Korea unexpectedly launched a test missile in 1993.
``Suddenly an alarm went off,'' Kirk, R-Ill., said recently of that sweat-soaked night. A dozen terrifying minutes passed before officials concluded the missile was not a threat.
Kirk was horrified that only two options were available in case of a real attack -- to let a U.S. city be destroyed and millions of Americans be killed with no response, or to retaliate and kill millions of foreigners as well.
Like Kirk, other lawmakers and administration officials, holding fast to the idea that experience is a great teacher, often cite their backgrounds and trips to far-flung lands to bolster their views on missile defense.
In Kirk's case, since that night in the Pentagon, he has advocated a third option: knocking the incoming missile out of the sky...
http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2001nn/
We can see a clear pattern here when it comes to USA and DPRK.
What DPRK wants to do, they will do it and there is nothing that USA can do about it.
If USA dares to attack DPRK, DPRK will launch all out total war against USA.
That is why USA attacked Iraq, not DPRK.
Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Hey I am going to Singapore in June but you know what? When the shit do hit the fan it wont miss a spot and the little red dot could be the next little brown dot.
aiya....Ninja....
You won't be back If the shit hit the fence it will be so quick that you won't know what hit you.
1 - 2 metic ton Atomic successfully mushroom in Soil Japan.
Originally posted by xtreyier:Normally, I try to be as gracious as possible, I do try....
BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE, STOP YOUR GODDAMMED TWIST OF EVENTS AND YOUR FUCKING LONG COPIED POSTS!!
A FUCKING TRAGEDY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, FOR FUCK SAKE!
He is restricted to the bipolar mind set of West vs East.....every topics in the region he vacum it to West vs East.....
Originally posted by Ah Chia:Would you recommend the same course with regards to Bush before he attacked Iraq in 2003?
Before he attacked Iraq the heavyweight title for Mr Bad Guy went to Saddam. (the man with the or was it without the weapon of mass destruction?)
what's the patriot's act?
U know what is the real danger.....
For individual like Ah Chia mind set sitting infront of the buttons.
and
This is really a stupid move to test a New President.. to push him to a corner to response and demonstrate Leaderships and US Resolves on foreign policies perharps it might be a wrong caculated move.
I have a simple theory.Mr Kim just want to jee siow and test the World while some countries like Iran for example are whispering shit ideas and giggling behind his ears.I say we should punish the bad student harshly and the whole class would just come back to attention.
yeah offer Kim playoff tickets on Los Angeles Lakers court side seat with a blondy...all tension resolved. Peace. : )
Ah Chia:
Your write up, though voluminous, is very informative & opens your eyes that there will always be 2 sides of a coin. For many who are constantly exposed to 1 side of a story, it must be quite refreshing or surprising to see another version of the whole issue.
Whether it is 0% to 99.99% true, accurate. fabricated or confabulated, you judge for yourself.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:yeah offer Kim playoff tickets on Los Angeles Lakers court side seat with a blondy...all tension resolved. Peace. : )
He is not a baseball fan ...more like a karaoke guy
That's what happens har.. when a dictator becomes senile..
N. Korea is presently the gateway to old communist China and Russia, tho, both China and Russia had long open up it economy with friendly approach toward the west, North Korea is perhap the last stance they have to balance the world power. China and Russia are North Korea best allies, it had become the icon for China or Russia to show their military might and influence in Asia.
At the end of the day, economy, trade and money will settle the problem, it had alway been the norm for North korea to make some noises just to remove some sanctions or get some funds or other corruption.
Originally posted by angel7030:At the end of the day, economy, trade and money will settle the problem, it had alway been the norm for North korea to make some noises just to remove some sanctions or get some funds or other corruption.
Hard to say lohhh...
US has told media they are capable of taking on the N Korea war if need be.
If Japan, South korea and US combine.. ... it's probably gonna be a spectacular show down .
Maybe Singaporeans can see the fireworks from the top floor of their HDB flats ah ?
Originally posted by richong 3216:Ah Chia:
Your write up, though voluminous, is very informative & opens your eyes that there will always be 2 sides of a coin. For many who are constantly exposed to 1 side of a story, it must be quite refreshing or surprising to see another version of the whole issue.
Whether it is 0% to 99.99% true, accurate. fabricated or confabulated, you judge for yourself.
There is no doubt for the need to see the other side of the coin. It should be the way for a healthy debate to be conducted.
But the way Uncle Chia has been doing is not the way to do it, because:-
1. Those are copyrighted material, or at least written by someone else and he has no right to use it without the author's permission. This is wrong. Providing a link is ok, but copy and paste whole sections is not.
2. More critically, it shows Uncle Chia is fully incapable of his own critical thinking and need to use other's writing to support his thesis. A few words here and there is normal, but whole sections?
This does not bode well for our society and individuals. It doesnt matter if one's language used is not up to par, for this forum is not a literary heaven anyway, but what is more vital is his communication to his fellow citizens. Plaguarising and copying will not help him improve himself, but will only hinder his further development as a concern citizen.
In the end, it is his choice, the freedom to learn or to continue in ignorance.