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Do you seriously believe that LKY did not get support also from China so that he can consolidate his own power in Singapore ?
He arrange for the Chinese Government to cut their support for all Communist Party activities in Malaya - which he claimed is backing the politics of Barisan Sosialist.
That is very interesting, do you have a source on that Atobe?
I know that Lee Kuan Yew began to have contacts with PRC since 1976.
USA in 1971 changed their policy towards China and started to build up relations with China against the Soviet, so Lee Kuan Yew can afford to flirt with Mao and not offend USA.
That's the crucial issue. I told [Taiwan's former president] Chiang Ching-kuo in the mid-1980s: "Why are you stopping your Chinese from going over?" I made that same mistake until I visited China in 1976.
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw00/000608fe.htm
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Originally posted by deepak.c:
I guess a moron will always remain a moron, no chance for a better life, you are cursed with stupidity till life ends, let's hope you do the world a favour and make it sooner than later.
You bring up the same defeated points over again and again.
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/330910
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Singapore ISA detainees under ISD get closed door hearing,
while detainees in Gutanamo did not get any hearing.
Do u know u can hire a lawyer to defend for u in the closed door hearing
under ISA?u can read from opening post .
The brain of noisy pussy is at its best when it spreads lies, disinformation and sheer nonsense.
Are the non-military combatant detainees - locked up in Guantanamo Bay detention facilities - not getting any hearing ?
Did something get stuffed into the noisy pussy and got him into an orgasmic overdrive in delusive ideas ?
Can the detainees locked up at Guantanamo Bay be compared to the civilians accused by LKY's administration as ideological subversives - when the Guantanamo detainees are non-military combatants captured from the battlefields of Afghanistan ?
Are there any trials or hearing held in the lockup of Singapore's ISD, which are at best interrogation to coerce confessions from the detainee than a trial being conducted ?
Can the Singapore ISD interrogation be comparable to the US military tribunals created to investigate the guilt of the Guantanamo detainees - that has a tribunal judge, prosecution lawyers representing the State and defense lawyers assigned to the accused all of whom are US Military Officers trained in their legally assigned appointments ?
The noisy pussy must have been drowned in his orgasmic pleasures to have missed out the ‘US Military Tribunal at Guantanamo Bay’ or that he prefers to indulge in his usual pastime of producing garbage.
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u guys have brains much better than mine.
Before u sleep tonight,can u help to
explain ----
1.Why did SG need to drag US First Secretary in SG into Francis
Seow arrest?PAP was very powerful.They could just arrest whoever
they wanted.Why did SG need to blacken the name of USA,
right after the worst recession in 1986/1987?
Have u remembered the GATT etc trade restrictions that USA
might impose on SG?
search
Francis T. Seowto know more about Seow cases.
here.
http://www.nytimes.com/
Singapore Asks Removal of U.S. Envoy
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Why did SG offend USA after the 1986 recession?
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Yes, why did Singapore went out of her way to offend USA ?
Can the noisy pussy cope with the truth ?
LKY had played high stakes poker with the British Colonial Government when he reminded them of the risks involved if the Colonial Government did not give him the political support by arresting Lim Chin Siong and the ex-PAP members who formed the Barisan Sosialis.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
That is very interesting, do you have a source on that Atobe?
I know that Lee Kuan Yew began to have contacts with PRC since 1976.
USA in 1971 changed their policy towards China and started to build up relations with China against the Soviet, so Lee Kuan Yew can afford to flirt with Mao and not offend USA.
That's the crucial issue. I told [Taiwan's former president] Chiang Ching-kuo in the mid-1980s: "Why are you stopping your Chinese from going over?" I made that same mistake until I visited China in 1976.
China's support to regional and global insurgencies have been well documented in a 1973 CIA Intelligence Report released in 2007 into the public domain - entitled:
LKY's claim - that he had seeked Deng Xiao-Ping's assistance to cut off support to local insurgencies - is well known amongst those who have read his memoirs.
In a separate report titled ‘Singapore’s Foreign Policy – Coping with vulnerability : Michael Leifer’ - it indicated that after visiting China in 1979, LKY "let it be known that while in Beijing, he had pointed out how China's support for communist insurgency within South-East Asia was a fundamental obstacle to better relations with regional states" (Page 115).
Unfortunately, was this another one of those self-inflated claims that is typical of LKY attempt at polishing his own image ?
A different version has now appeared, as seen in a press release from the SG PM's Office, the Media Centre reported a speech by MM LKY at the S.Rajaratnam Lecture 09-April-2009 at Shangri-la Hotel - in which the following was part of his speech:
US President Nixon had already broken the ice by visiting China in 1972, and had opened China again to the World, which unfortunately was not taken up by the ideologue in Mao - even as the more progressive Chou En-lai had desired progress for China.
It was not until Deng Xiao-ping's visit to Singapore in late 1978 that he was able to appreciate that China had to change course :
Despite China's taking Singapore as a model for the economic development of their coastal cities, the regional politics of Southeast Asia require LKY to set a policy that Singapore can establish diplomatic ties with China only after the other ASEAN countries had initiated ties with China first.
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The middle east has been in chaos for decades with a lot of US interference. What makes you think that Francis Seow's democratic push with help from the US is going to bring better life in Singapore aka South East Asia. For all we can imagine, if US is here in Singapore, South East Asia could become a second middle east. Dont forget the demography of S.E.A., quite similar to middle east, with Singapore becoming a second Isreal.
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Dont forget the demography of S.E.A., quite similar to middle east, with Singapore becoming a second Isreal.
In what way same?
Population increasing?
Singapore why second Israel?
We are not oppressing anybody.
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For all we can imagine, if US is here in Singapore, South East Asia could become a second middle east.
Like in the old days of Vietnam war.
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Originally posted by Daddy!!:
The middle east has been in chaos for decades with a lot of US interference. What makes you think that Francis Seow's democratic push with help from the US is going to bring better life in Singapore aka South East Asia. For all we can imagine, if US is here in Singapore, South East Asia could become a second middle east. Dont forget the demography of S.E.A., quite similar to middle east, with Singapore becoming a second Isreal.
How did you come to such a clever observation that - "The middle east has been in chaos for decades with a lot of US interference." ?
Did the US send in troops into the Middle-east to fight alongside Israeli troops - in the same way that the US had sent in more then 400,000 soldiers into Vietnam to support the South Vietnamese Military ?
The closest that the US interfered in the Middle-east affairs was to provide direct military aid to Israel that counter-balance the military aid from Soviet Russia to all the 10 Arab countries that were determined to annihilate Israel militarily.
"What makes you think that Francis Seow's democratic push with help from the US is going to bring better life in Singapore aka South East Asia"
What makes you think that Singapore is "aka South East Asia" ?
Can a Singapore population of 4.4 Million multi-ethnic people that is largely 78% Chinese, 13% Malays, 8% Indians and 1% Eurasian be "aka" representative of the 240 Million Indonesians of which 86% are largely Muslims; or the 98 Million Filipinos who are 81% Catholics; or the 87 Million Vietnamese of which 80% has no religion; or the 66 Million Thais who are 91% Buddhist; or the 48 Million Myanmese with 80% Buddhists; or 26 Million Malaysian with 60% Muslims; or the other smaller nations of Cambodia, Laos and Brunei ?
What makes you think that life cannot be better with a push towards Democracy - with or without US help ?
As matters stand, the present political deadlock is reflective of the "Works-in-Progress" of Thailand's journey towards a higher level of Democracy - in the same path that more mature Democracies have taken in the course of their nation's history.
Thailand today has rid itself from the past Military Dictatorship of ONE Man Rule that was not accountable to the Thai Citizens.
The Thai Citizens have the ability to hold their government responsible for the decisions made against the interests of the nation - can Singaporeans claim the same ability to voice their concern in more vocal ways to be heard ?
Can Singaporeans hold our Government accountable for the mistakes in their decisions forced onto Singaporeans ?
"For all we can imagine, if US is here in Singapore, South East Asia could become a second middle east."
The US has been in Singapore since the Vietnam War in the 1960s - when Singapore open the doors to allow the US military personnel to take an R&R break from the war, giving them a place at the present day Serene House - for unrestricted entertainment that are not subject to local laws, and with the place restricted to Singaporeans.
Even to this day, US Military maintain an active low profile presence in Singapore with their logistic office here being specially invited by the Singapore Government, who has also purpose built the Changi Naval Base in deep waters that allow the largest US Aircraft Carriers to berth and take on new supplies of fuel, ammo, and food.
US combat and support aircrafts operate through Singapore, making regular and frequent landings at Paya Lebar and Changi Air Base.
Besides Singapore, the US naval ships also make frequent stops at other Southeast Asian ports to take on supplies or make minor repairs, and spread their wealth through such visits to other neighboring countries with the encouragement from the Singapore Government.
Does Singapore and the South East Asian region resemble anything like the political instability and insecurity in the Middle-east ?
"Dont forget the demography of S.E.A., quite similar to middle east, with Singapore becoming a second Isreal."
In the Middle-east, Israel is surrounded by more then 8 countries with populations that have high percentage of Muslims and with Islam as the common State religion.
If you revisit the demographic data given in the preceding paragraph, you will note that between Singapore's two closest neighbors - both may have majority population being Muslims, and only Malaysia has Islam as a State Religion, while Indonesia has maintain itself as a secular state.
With different political history and development of the relationship in ASEAN - compared to the countries in the Middle-east, can Singapore be a second Israel ?
It is dangerous to perpetuate a paranoid "siege" mentality.
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Some ppl no brain, can't differentiate between religions.
Either that or Singapore has become a Jewish state.
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The closest that the US interfered in the Middle-east affairs was to provide direct military aid to Israel that counter-balance the military aid from Soviet Russia to all the 10 Arab countries that were determined to annihilate Israel militarily.
U.S. Intervention in the Middle East
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
U.S. Intervention in the Middle East
U.S. intervention in the Middle East is to protect their geo-political interests, as in the same way that it directly intervene in Europe and South Korea.
The US has kept itself largely out of any direct interference in the open conflicts that the Arab countries forced onto Israel as part of their agenda to annihilate her.
Over the last 50 years, the involvement of the USA in Middle Eastern Politics is in direct competition to that of the Soviet Union, to prevent the spread of Communism, political and military influence.
The objective of the intervention is prevent the vital oil supplies from being controlled by hostile states and to be allies of the Soviet Union.
US involvement in the global events is to protect their geo-political interests and that of their allies.
This has been an ongoing global competition between ideologies that has existed since the existence of Man and Politics.
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The US has kept itself largely out of any direct interference in the open conflicts that the Arab countries forced onto Israel as part of their agenda to annihilate her.
Why do you mean by direct interference?
Send military forces to invade like in Iraq?
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Why do you mean by direct interference?
Send military forces to invade like in Iraq?
Was there any "direct US interference" to the Middle East politics that affected Israel - in terms of military intervention or support to Israeli military operations ?
Yes, there was "direct US interference" in Iraq - which begun from the conflict between Iraq and Kuwait that led to Kuwait being invaded; and after the war - the "direct interference" continued with the imposition of the UN sanctions on Iraq to limit her military threat to all the neighboring countries in the region.
The second invasion of Iraq was based on the initial assessment of Iraq's political leadership development of Weapons of Mass Destruction, and the continued refusal of Iraqi political leadership to be forthcoming and open to UN inspections.
It was only with hindsight, and the opportunity to have open events after the second invasion of Iraq that toppled Saddam Hussein - that revealed as many mistakes and wrong conclusions that led to the invasion. However, it also reveal new evidences to the scale of internal destruction and murder conducted by Saddam Hussein and his cronies against the Iraqi minority groups.
The second invasion brought a new beginning for the Iraqis.
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Wow, never knew you were supportive of USA and Israel, Atobe.
Looks like our position in this regard is very different.
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Was there any "direct US interference" to the Middle East politics that affected Israel - in terms of military intervention or support to Israeli military operations ?
Yes.
Of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nickel_Grass
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The second invasion of Iraq was based on the initial assessment of Iraq's political leadership development of Weapons of Mass Destruction, and the continued refusal of Iraqi political leadership to be forthcoming and open to UN inspections.
That is actually USA's bullshit.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Wow, never knew you were supportive of USA and Israel, Atobe.
Looks like our position in this regard is very different.
No, I am not a diehard supporter of USA nor Israel.
Both should be subjected to scrutiny by the International Court of Justice - if they are signatories to the UN Charter, and when both expect the UN to function neutrally.
There are several events that both will be surely found guilty of war crimes.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:Do you consider this as a direct military interference ?
As I had stated in my preceding reply, US did provide support to Israel to counter the political agenda of the Soviet Union in their support given to the Arab countries.
There was no denial that the US did deliver tons of weapons to the Israelis to put Israel on an equal footing to the quality and sophisticated weapons delivered to her Arab neighbors.
Still it was one Israel, against Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Libya, and Iran - with the Islamic forces from Lebanon providing another undeclared front.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:That is actually USA's bullshit.
With 20-20 hindsight, there will be no one disagreeing with you on this.
After the second Iraqi War, even Colin Powell was dealt a deathblow to his prestige.
George W Bush and Dick Cheney should be hauled to the International Court of Justice and face charges.
But in the Real World of Geo-politics that are largely in 'White Hands' - do you think that this ICJ will be color-blind or be blinded by the "brightness of White" ?
Unfortunately, in the Real World of Geo-politics, one has to weigh and balance the good and the bad, to see who are in control of the forces that are willing to face evil, and prepared to use force when force is needed to protect us from the Dark Side.
Do we need a "Neville Chamberlain" or a "Jimmy Carter" in these uncertain times ?
We certainly do not need another George W Bush and his "sidekick" Dick Cheney.
The perpetual paradox is who will protect us from the Evil within Ourselves, within our own ranks ?
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Unfortunately, in the Real World of Geo-politics, one has to weigh and balance the good and the bad, to see who are in control of the forces that are willing to face evil, and prepared to use force when force is needed to protect us from the Dark Side.
Dark side to me is USA and Israel.
But your dark side is probably different from my dark side.
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Do we need a "Neville Chamberlain" or a "Jimmy Carter" in these uncertain times ?
But Chamberlain's aim was to let Germany and Russia finish off each other.
He considered Soviet Union to be the dark side.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Dark side to me is USA and Israel.
But your dark side is probably different from my dark side.
How many ways can the Dark Side be recognised ?
Is there a difference in "Darkness" ?
If Darth Vader is no longer in control of the Death Star, do you not think that the ship cannot be used to fight against the Dark Side ?
When you try to create a master art piece, you do not use only a single brush, as the broad strokes will cover everything in one broad sweep, and fine details that can contribute to the overall quality will be covered.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:But Chamberlain's aim was to let Germany and Russia finish off each other.
He considered Soviet Union to be the dark side.
Unfortunately, Chamberlain did not expect Germany and Russia to make a pact that allowed Hitler to sweep through Europe.
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Unfortunately, Chamberlain did not expect Germany and Russia to make a pact that allowed Hitler to sweep through Europe.
That is true.
His plot to see Hitler attack Soviet Union while Britain stood on the sidelines failed.
The british are so shameful of this episode in british history that to this day they still teach total rubbish in their history books on Chamberlain's true goals.
And by this date, certain members of the Milner Group and of the British Conservative government had reached the fantastic idea that they could kill two birds with one stone by setting Germany and Russia against one another in Eastern Europe.
In this way they felt that the two enemies would stalemate one another, or that Germany would become satisfied with the oil of Rumania and the wheat of the Ukraine.
It never occurred to anyone in a responsible position that Germany and Russia might make common cause, even temporarily, against the West. Even less did it occur to them that Russia might beat Germany and thus open all Central Europe to Bolshevism.
In order to carry out this plan of allowing Germany to drive eastward against Russia, it was necessary to do three things:
(1) to liquidate all the countries standing between Germany and Russia;
(2) to prevent France from honoring her alliances with these countries; and
(3) to hoodwink the English people into accepting this as a necessary, indeed, the only solution to the international problem.
The Chamberlain group were so successful in all three of these thing...
The efforts of the Chamberlain group to continue the policy of appeasement by making economic and other concessions to Germany and their efforts to get Hitler to agree to a four-power pact form one of the most shameful episodes in the history of recent British diplomacy...
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/cikkek/anglo_12b.html
Shame on you british government for covering up the truth on WWII!
Shame on you for spreading rubbish on WWII.
And shame on you PAP regime for following the british propaganda line and come teach this filth in our secondary schools and lie to our students.
Shame on all of you.
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The Middle East has been in chaos for decades with a lot of US interference.
Except for disposing the Shah of Iran, I disagree that the US has been interfering in the Middle East, creating lots of chaos. Suffice to say, if US interferes, it does to secure its strategic interest – oil. Chaos, if any, is a by-product, not the main objective.
The problems in Middle East are multifaceted. For past centuries, Middle East has been a hotbed of ethnic rivalries –among Kurd, Persian, Arab in the West side, and among Palestinian, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Israel in the East side.
The problem of Middle-East is also a remnant of Victorian Britain when the British discovered the shortest shipping route from Europe to the Far East; and with the construction of the Suez Canal.
Prior to this, Middle-East, historically, has always been dominated by the mighty Persian. (Unlike the darker skinned Arab, the Persian are White folk descended from the north.)
To secure British’s long term interest, Britain did land grab with the help of the Arabic prince lines. To secure the loyalty of the Arab, the British gave them gun, land sharing, military assistance. This tilted, forever, the racial balance of that region.
The problem of modern day Iraq and Iran can be also traced to the division of the lustrous ancient Persian empire, permanently between the Arab and the Persian.