Have CSJ told u that SG will NOT go for electronic voting?

• lionnoisy

  22 May 09, 09:21

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  Have CSJ told u that SG will NOT go for electronic voting?

  Chee Soon Juan told u thst SG may go for electronic election.

  But he does not bother to tell u that now SG decides drop this idea.

  Why?He cant read Chinese zao bao?

  He just tells u the bad news?

  This is not the way to win trust from people,Dr Chee.

  U are smart.I am NOT so stupid,too.

  1.In 2001,SG passed laws to use electronic voting.Now ,SG stops buying

  related machines.

  The reason to drop this idea is to gain condidences from voters is

  much more important in manpower saving,said DPM Teo.

  政府放弃电�投票 因为选民信心比�人力更��
  选民对选举制度的信心，比实行电�投票��下的人力更加��。政府因此已放弃考虑多年的电�投票。

  http://www.zaobao.com.sg/sp/sp090518_512.shtml

  2009-05-18）

  选民对选举制度的信心，比实行电�投票��下的人力更加��。政府因此已放弃考虑多年的电�投票。

  副总�兼国防部长张志贤表示，电�投票难以达到用选票投票高度公信力，这是政府决定�留让选民以选票投票的原因。

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  选举局局长��立�访时，也表示选举局已打消实行电�投票念头，近年已�止购买新器�。

  实行电�投票是政府自1983年起为研究��海外投票方�的�行性而开始一并考虑的。�过长期研究之�，它还在2001年4月通过国会立法，�许在国会选举和民选总统选举时，采用电�投票。

  选举局过�开始招标开�电�投票系统，并展开添置器�和设计软件的工作。�过，由于这套系统无法在�年11月举行大选之�完�，所以没派上用场。政府过 �在2002年开始探讨开��一套电�投票系统，但�在2004年以�本高昂�新科技�断出现为由宣布延�实行电�投票制度。

  当年的选 举局局长曾必东在2001年介�电�投票系统时指出，最终被采用的系统须符��件包括能确�投票过程是秘密的；选民能从电�投票机的�幕上看到电�选票； 系统能安全�有效�准确地�作并进行计票；系统能探测出任何投票错误；能在电�供应中断时�存已记录的选票。电�投票系统也必须能让负责人审查电�投票机 的�作性能与计算的准确性，但是有关的审查工作�须确�无人能探出投票者的身份。

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  Singapore buying electronic voting machines

   -yoursdp.org/index.php/news/singapore/2231-singapore-buying-electronic-voting-machines - 41k

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  u can search DPM Teo speech here later

  http://www.parliament.gov.sg/parlweb/hansard_search_latest.jsp

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• Acidshuriken

  22 May 09, 10:38

  it's politics. csj will tell us what he wants us to hear. just like pap. all cut from same cloth.
• Fantagf

  22 May 09, 11:06

  so much noise early in the morning.   thot u have been banned.  

• Atobe

  22 May 09, 14:01

  Originally posted by lionnoisy:

  Have CSJ told u that SG will NOT go for electronic voting?

  Chee Soon Juan told u thst SG may go for electronic election.

   

  The noisy pussy is again at his best with his confused mischievous efforts to discredit himself by taking potshots at CSJ.

  A clown trying to paint someone else as a clown, when it is his own image in the mirror that he has painted.

  Did CSJ tell, or did he not tell SG that electronic voting is going ahead ?  

   

  But he does not bother to tell u that now SG decides drop this idea.

  Why?He cant read Chinese zao bao?

  He just tells u the bad news?

  This is not the way to win trust from people,Dr Chee.

  U are smart.I am NOT so stupid,too.

  1.In 2001,SG passed laws to use electronic voting.Now ,SG stops buying

  related machines.

  The reason to drop this idea is to gain condidences from voters is

  much more important in manpower saving,said DPM Teo.

  u can search DPM Teo speech here later

  http://www.parliament.gov.sg/parlweb/hansard_search_latest.jsp

   

  It will not be a surprise that the printed media can target different audiences with different  variations of the same story  - and more so when the state media intend to report CSJ's statement.

  Only the noisy pussy has time and again shown his immense ability to be mesmerized by the garbage that spew from the political elite. 

  Should we be surprised at the noisy pussy's confused state of mind - to be unable to discern if CSJ did or did not tell SG that there will be or will not be electronic voting ?

   

  There are enough bad news on the plate to tar the good name of the incumbent political party in Government, do they need to shake the confidence of Singaporeans with an untested electronic system that will add more controversies to the present status quo ?

   

   

• fishbuff1

  22 May 09, 14:20

  i was involved in the electronic voting system development so i know what was going on and what kind of information it was capturing. but that was back in the year 2001, perhaps they have changed their specs?

• Atobe

  22 May 09, 14:24

   

  Would the electronic voting system have been forced through - if the SDP and CSJ did not bring this controversial matter to public attention ? 

  It now seems that the stage has all been set for its implementation - with the PAP dominated Parliament already giving its "RUBBER STAMP" approval for the Electronic Voting System to be used.

  Amidst the publicity raised to the controversies on the computerized election system, there not seem to be caution exercised by the incumbent party in power.

  Is this not putting "the cart before the horse" - by passing legislations to implement a system then considering its impact ? 

   

  The following is extracted from the site of a blogger : 

   

   

  US expert ‘extremely concerned’ about e-voting in S’pore

  April 21, 2009 by admin
  Filed under: SDP 

  By the Singapore Democrats
  20 April 2009

  Original link

  A few days after the Singapore Democrats warned of the Government’s intention to procure electronic voting machines (EVMs), the Straits Times swung into action and contacted the Elections Department for comments.

  The newspaper quoted the Department’s statement that “to date, no decision has been taken yet on when electronic voting will be implemented in our elections and which electronic voting system will be used.”

  The Straits Times also reported that the subject is not new as it was debated and approved by Parliament in 2001. Note that the Elections Department did not categorically state that EVMs would not be used in the next GE.

  Many Singaporeans are not aware of the fact that everything is in place for the PAP to switch to using these machines. It’s only a question of when and how it will be done.

  The Straits Times also tells us that “the system must also allow for voting in secret and be safe from fraudulent use.” But while the media in the US are screaming and hollering about the weakness of such systems, there is only silence here in Singapore.

   

  The fact remains that such computers are highly open to fraudulent use. In addition, we do not have an independent elections body to audit and monitor the integrity of an e-voting system if and when it is implemented.

  The Singapore Democrats did our own homework and contacted Dr Rebecca Mercuri, one of the world’s foremost expert in computer security. Dr Mercuri’s research into the abuse of e-voting systems have been cited in briefs to the US Supreme Court as well as by the US and UK governments.

  She told us: “I would be extremely concerned about Singapore’s proposed procurement and use of EVMs. I believe that the best voting system involves voters hand-marking paper ballots, with a public hand-count of all ballots. Any electronic tallying, of either hand-prepared or electronic ballots, cannot be relied on as accurate.”

  Dr Mercuri pointed out that some of the e-voting systems that are used in the US have the capability of deleting votes. Either that or extra votes can be cast — without detection.

  This was confirmed as recent as only a few weeks ago in California with certain Diebold/Premier voting systems found to be open to misuse and abuse.

  It was also reported last month that the Irish government will scrap the idea of using e-voting despite it having purchased the computers. The reason is because it could not trust the integrity of the system. Likewise, Germany and the Netherlands have abandoned plans to switch to e-voting.

  E-voting in Singapore is an issue that must be resurrected. We ignore it at our peril.

   

   

   

• Atobe

  22 May 09, 14:46

  Originally posted by fishbuff1:

  i was involved in the electronic voting system development so i know what was going on and what kind of information it was capturing. but that was back in the year 2001, perhaps they have changed their specs?

   

  Capturing of information ?

  This sounds more ominous than the numbered ballot paper that is issued to each registered voter, whose name and NRIC is cross-referenced to the numbered ballot paper.

  This numbered ballot paper is already a controversy over the years, and though it has never been used to identify the balloting choice of the electorate, it has allowed the unscrupulous incumbent party to know the voting pattern of the residents within a neighborhood.

  This has resulted in the frequent changes to the Electoral Boundary that serve to dilute the concentration or pockets of residents that vote for the Alternative Parties.

   

• Lohck

  22 May 09, 17:00

  this is a variant of the same problem tat has existed since independence : citizens  not able to catch up with 'society'

   

  Towards a financial services hub - result : slew of incomprehensible financial products snapped up by unaware citizens like the neighbourhood aunties and uncles

  AMD directives - uncles and aunties tot they are signing something to kill  themselves by euthanasia

  Electronic voting - auntie and uncle say, ATM can do?

   

  It's not the hat no good, it's the head too small

   

   

   

   

   

   

• caleb_chiang

  22 May 09, 18:44

  SG's voting is never what they promised to be...

• Hawk Eye

  23 May 09, 13:24

  Originally posted by lionnoisy:

  ....

  U are smart.I am NOT so stupid,too.

  ....

   

  Have CSJ told u that SG will NOT go for electronic voting?

  Chee Soon Juan told u thst SG may go for electronic election.

  
  You are smart and we are not stupid to know of your effort to discredit Chee.