i have not read any news from ASEAN position. I really do not see how Asean can remain silent on this topics.
Myanmar's pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi went on trial Monday, as hundreds of riot police ringed the country's most notorious prison to block protesters from proceedings that could send her to jail for five years.
Suu Kyi, who has already spend more than 13 of the last 19 years in detention, has been charged with violating the conditions of her house arrest by sheltering an American man who swam to her lakeside home to secretly visit her earlier this month.
hmm. usually no country will stand up if they hv nothing to gain out of it.. and if they have to risk their own necks.
can't blame anyone.
if u r recall into NS and ship to fight the war against Myanmar due to this, will u wanna go? or let ur son or dad or frens go?
In the Asean position, the asean countries had agreed not to interfere in each other domestic issue, the focus of asean is mostly on trade, economy, security and friendship.
The Asean Consituency adopt a non domestic intervention under code 7030 capt 23 para II.
For Asean, this is
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The death of Aung San Suu Kyi's father Aung San, Myanmars' independence leader had always been shrounded in secrey.
Below are sources that push the view that it was the british who killed Aung San:
Q: Who do you think really killed Bogyoke Aung San?
A: Who really killed Bogyoke Aung San was the British government. It was their plot.
Q: Why do you say that?
A: I suppose there were three reasons why he was killed.
Firstly, Bogyoke Aung San was the leader who could organise and unite the whole country so they were afraid of the whole of Burma uniting. This was the main reason.
Secondly, Bogyoke Aung San could reunite with the Communist Party of Burma. They were worried about that too.
And finally, they supposed that they could handle Burma more easily if they removed him.
These were the reasons why he was killed.
I better give my opinions and some evidence why I say that the British were involved in this assassination.
First evidence From the very beginning, the British government had noticed that U Saw was conspiring something.
They even understood that these actions were aimed at Bogyoke. Regarding this fact I remember two things. First, before the assassination, U Saw’s house was kept under police surveillance. One of my relatives who was then a police officer, told me that he was on duty from a nearby house a week before the assassination. He said that they had to report their findings daily and thought surveillance had begun even before he was put on duty.
The second thing is that during 1960’s or 1970’s on one Martyr’s Day anniversary, one of the Burmese newspapers published an article...
http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?
Who really killed Aung San?
Originally posted by Ah Chia:
The death of Aung San Suu Kyi's father Aung San, Myanmars' independence leader had always been shrounded in secrey.
Below are sources that push the view that it was the british who killed Aung San:
WHO KILLED AUNG SAN?
Q: Who do you think really killed Bogyoke Aung San?
A: Who really killed Bogyoke Aung San was the British government. It was their plot.
Q: Why do you say that?
A: I suppose there were three reasons why he was killed.
Firstly, Bogyoke Aung San was the leader who could organise and unite the whole country so they were afraid of the whole of Burma uniting. This was the main reason.
Secondly, Bogyoke Aung San could reunite with the Communist Party of Burma. They were worried about that too.
And finally, they supposed that they could handle Burma more easily if they removed him.
These were the reasons why he was killed.
I better give my opinions and some evidence why I say that the British were involved in this assassination.
First evidence From the very beginning, the British government had noticed that U Saw was conspiring something.
They even understood that these actions were aimed at Bogyoke. Regarding this fact I remember two things. First, before the assassination, U Saw’s house was kept under police surveillance. One of my relatives who was then a police officer, told me that he was on duty from a nearby house a week before the assassination. He said that they had to report their findings daily and thought surveillance had begun even before he was put on duty.
The second thing is that during 1960’s or 1970’s on one Martyr’s Day anniversary, one of the Burmese newspapers published an article...
http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?
Who really killed Aung San?
ke lian the San San
Unless there's a war, the junta will nvr release their grip on power. Sanctions are useless against an uncaring govt
the military Junta can extend its wing because China is backing them up internationally. It continue to snub Asean because it knows China back them up in the UN.
The only way you can get Myanmar to comply is to turn the tide between China and Myanmar.
the military Junta can extend its wing because China is backing them up internationally.
Not only China, but also Russia.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
It's a sad thing to see humanity devolve into a system where financial benefits have to be reaped before a helping hand is given.
im waiting for a revolution
a revolution where the myanmar people rise to topple the government
and interpol to mark these leaders of the revolution as 'terrorists'
Originally posted by gigabyte14:im waiting for a revolution
a revolution where the myanmar people rise to topple the government
and interpol to mark these leaders of the revolution as 'terrorists'
Well you know if the funding of Interpol are from China than everything is possible at this stage.
Wow China is propping up governments that are immoral but are loyal to the Chinese regime, i wonder where they've learned that one from ?
It's a sad thing to see humanity devolve into a system where financial benefits have to be reaped before a helping hand is given.
State to state relations are usually like that, but people to people relations depends on the situation.
im waiting for a revolution
a revolution where the myanmar people rise to topple the government
Me too.
But in Singapore.
Wow China is propping up governments that are immoral but are loyal to the Chinese regime, i wonder where they've learned that one from ?
Oldest game in the world.
An Asean predicament........
YANGON - Myanmar's military government has "strongly rejected" a statement by the Association of Southeast Asian nations condemning the trial of pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, state media said Monday.
Myanmar accused Thailand, which issued the statement one week ago as the rotating chairman of the 10-member bloc, of interfering in its internal affairs, the New Light of Myanmar newspaper reported.
"This statement issued by the alternate ASEAN chairman -- which is not in conformity with ASEAN practice, incorrect in facts, interfering in the internal affairs of Myanmar -- is strongly rejected by Myanmar," it said
the only way out is a regime change......
Sacking Myanmar from Asean might be a good option.
Provide covert funding for a military coup within the military Junta.....bring up a moderate General that would allow political transition.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:Provide covert funding for a military coup within the military Junta.....bring up a moderate General that would allow political transition.
Another junta will go the same way as the old. Just a change of face but not rule.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:Provide covert funding for a military coup within the military Junta.....bring up a moderate General that would allow political transition.
The Americans have tried that god knows how much times, haven't really seen it succeed much.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
The Americans have tried that god knows how much times, haven't really seen it succeed much.
The Americans won't bother if they do not see a financial interest in that particular country. If not they would have already be able to topple the junta and install a pro-western leader who will open the doors for western investments.
For example in 1951, Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh became PM in Iran. He nationalized Iran's oil reserves, earning the ire of US and UK. In 1953 he was toppled by US-backed riots and protests. He was replaced by Mohamed Reza Shah Pahlavi, who promptly restored the US and UK interests in Iranian Oil. Alot can be done by a lone man with a few million bucks, stir the pot, and there you have it, a coup!
Read the book "The Confessions Of A Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. It will open eyes on how the "Great Game" is played.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:
The Americans have tried that god knows how much times, haven't really seen it succeed much.
what made you think that only the US did it ?.......look further back into our history.....u just have to find a person who know what he wants.
Originally posted by Chew Bakar:Another junta will go the same way as the old. Just a change of face but not rule.
Another Junta does not means that you drop the entire control of a country overnight. It change the outlook, it open for new ideal to move forward.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:Another Junta does not means that you drop the entire control of a country overnight. It change the outlook, it open for new ideal to move forward.
Arapahoe, just for discussion sake.
The critical issue discussed here is democracy. Democracy for the Burmese people suffering under the repulsive Junta.
I was once a flag waving idealist in support of democracy for the Burmese people, after some of the monks were shot dead and many tortured to death. I signed pettitions international and local in support of over throwing the regime in any form.
But then one day i realise one important truth. Democracy is an ideal that can only be bestowed upon by the people themselves, and not given freely by others. The nation ( people) must want it, and want it badly enough collectively to SEEK every way possible to achieve it.
Anything other than that will only lead to quagmires such as Vietnam and Iraq.
The French had only pitchfork and farm utensils against the might of the despotic French Sun King Louis, and won.
Russians adored Communism, but soon such tastes turned sour in the hands of Stalin. The people were repressed and ensured that they would never rebel.
But in time, communist doctrines even failed the moderate politburo members and made them disillusion. Freedom came in the hands of Yeltsin.
One way or another, freedom taste better if it comes from the hands of a nation's own people. Any other way is an open invitation to dictatorship as history had shown. We, as outsiders of nations involved, can only offer our moral support and use positive engagement to help Mynmar and its people.
To isolate Mynmar is to make the resource rich country with rice that could feed the world and oil to fill every factory in China, turn to fellow despots such as N. Korea for support, and worse still if the Junta feels the rest of the world is oppressing them and turn to Osama and his gang for tech and military support.
The critical issue, I repeat - Democracy can only be won by its own people, with the pen or the sword, and never in the history of mankind had it been won for the people by other nations that do not turn sour later.