Why the West sees a threat in China
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Former French diplomat says no to "China threat"
May 15, 2009
Former French diplomat Lionel Vairon，who is known for his book Threat of China? ? among the Chinese citizens, has shared his views about China that are different from mainstream views held by western people in an online interview with the Qiangguo Forum (Strong China Forum) of People's Daily Online on May 14, 2009.
Below is an excerpt of the interview:
China does not pose any threat to the west
Q: As to the understanding of the relationship between China and the west, do you have any views different from the so-called mainstream views of people from the west? Since you have reached different conclusions, can you explain the reasons behind your viewpoints?
Lionel Vairon's book Threat of China? has been published in China recently.
Lionel Vairon: I have expressed in my book that my viewpoints are perhaps different from mainstream views held by western people. The main difference lies in the opinion held by the westerners toward the extent of the China threat theory. Some issues involving realities make western people anxious. For westerners, they do not know how to evaluate and appraise both peril and potential threat relating to China, so they feel nervous. Therefore, I think that since we spent a lot of time in China, we find that China does not in fact pose any threat to the west. The key is that people living in Europe will have different opinions about China's military and economic development. However, if one often visits China, they will discover that this sort of view has been exaggerated to the concept of “China Threat.”
Q: Why are some countries suspicious of China's rising power?
Vairon: I have two thoughts on this issue. The first is from a common foreigner's point of view. For common foreigners, they feel threatened because China has a large population. There are Chinese people everywhere overseas. We see Chinese people traveling and studying everywhere in the world. This visual picture creates a sense of “threat.” We can see Chinese people in Africa, Europe, all over, so it seems that this has created fear. This is the feeling of common foreigners. They feel nervous when they see Chinese people everywhere. This is a very popular view.
The second answer is linked to the first one. Because there are so many Chinese people, they cannot find jobs at home, and therefore they go abroad for opportunities. Foreigners feel the Chinese people who go overseas are taking their employment opportunities.Common foreigners think of Chinese people as a threat also because they think that China is still a communist country, and they fear this very much. Many foreigners have not been to China, they have no idea what China's development in the past 30 years was like, neither are they familiar with the "Cultural Revolution" in China or the reforms made to China's systems. It is because foreigners are afraid of the word “communism.” Whenever “communism” is mentioned, the word reminds them of the former Soviet Union and Cuba, nations ruled by dictators.
Therefore, they believe China is also a communist nation and that is the reason why they hold this kind of shortsighted view. To tell the truth, such views are very deep-rooted. Ninety percent of French people, when they see China on the Internet, would regard China as a communist nation, a nation ruled by a dictator. This is the universal and direct feelings of the French citizens.
Their lack of understanding leads to their fear of China. People fear things that they do not know very well, especially when those things are everywhere. The French feel threatened when they see Chinese people, Chinese culture and tourists from China everywhere. This is the perception of French citizens.
Now let us talk about the western governments' views toward Chinese people, mainly from two aspects, economic perspective and that of long-term strategy. With regards to the economy, the western governments think a rising China is both an opportunity and a threat to them.
In terms of opportunity, many enterprises from western countries have earned a great deal of money in China, representing an opportunity for them. Enterprises from Africa, Latin America and other countries in competition with Chinese enterprises lost rather than earned money, and therefore for these enterprises China represents a threat and a cause for their losses. Generally speaking, there is equilibrium in certain situations.But, of course, in other situations, it can be unbalanced. European enterprises have lost some contracts in the African market in the last three to four years, particularly those related to building and infrastructure. Because of the loss in Africa of their traditional interests, naturally China is a sore point.
Therefore, to some westerners, China's economic rise represents a significant threat. Moreover, the fact that Chinese businesses are gradually moving overseas to compete against them and seize markets have caused fear, as it may lead to increased unemployment for domestic workers.
In fact, the aforementioned economic rise has some objective reasoning. What I would like to talk about now is the subjective consciousness of people. Western politicians blame China for the recession in the west and other related problems, and this is just a type of subjective understanding.
From a strategic point of view, what are their views on China? Of course, this question also has its subjective and objective aspects. Objectively, China's military, economic and political rise is a factor that western leaders, and especially European leaders, must consider. European leaders fear that China's rise may cause a chain reaction that in turn could bring about the rise of other Asian countries, constituting a larger threat to them.Even in Asia itself, controversies and disputes already exist between China and India, China and Japan, and China and other southeastern Asian countries. They fear that if these controversies explode, a state of instability may ensue. Europeans do not have these concerns.
For example, the French do not worry about a possible invasion of Paris by China's military forces, but about the intensification of conflict between China and Japan. In other words, they are afraid of conflicts occurring within Asia. Once such conflict occurs, European countries will be involved in a state of instability. This is an objective worry. They worry about how India and Japan will react in the future.
China's rising military strength is the cause for significant concern for US citizens. For US citizens, the development of China's military strength is the biggest and most immediate threat, since it will directly affect the hegemonic status of the US. This concern is different from that faced by Europeans, who have never held the hegemonic position. Therefore, US citizens worry more about China's military rise to power than Europeans.
From a subjective standpoint, western people consider China's rise to power to be an international issue. In fact, China's current rise to power is simply regional. If we insist on the view that China is undergoing a global rise, we should consider the fact that the west has always been the international front-runner over the past 400 years, with leading positions in respect to politics, culture and military.During these 400 years, the west has dominated the world's concept of right and wrong. With China's current rise to power, since China is neither a Christian country nor a country that has the same system as the west, if China wants to say “I am not happy,” western countries will have no way to deal with the situation.
However, Chinese people are seeking a political influence, something which has never been achieved by Japan. Japan is merely a power in terms of the economy, and has not yet met its goal to be a political power. Over the past 400 years, western people have not been used to the ascent of a non-western country that has some impact on the world. It will be very hard for western people to accept it psychologically.
How do China build a better image?
Q: From the perspective of the government's behavior as well as from a technical angle, what should China do to build a better image?
Vairon: Firstly, China's rise and rapid development makes foreigners extremely fearful of nationalism. There also lies a historical reason. China was controlled by foreign countries in one aspect or another for nearly a century. Therefore, common foreigners are now afraid that the Chinese people will resort to retaliation because China has become stronger. Overly strong nationalism should be avoided.
Secondly, as Chinese enterprises that expand overseas have not had much experience in surviving in the international market, they should gradually learn how to work with their foreign partners and how to rapidly develop abroad. To a great extent, their behaviors and actions represent the image of China.Many businesses invest in Africa and make great contributions to Africa and Latin America. But there are also some Chinese companies that have caused negative influence on China due to their inappropriate acts overseas. Chinese enterprises should know the relations between their behaviors and China's image, as well as what they should and should not do. These kinds of relations are the most useful as Chinese companies' behaviors have a major impact on China's image. Chinese enterprises are an important carrier to present the image of China.
Thirdly, the Chinese government needs to adapt to the different forms of exchanges with the outside world. From an interaction standpoint, we might adopt different ways of exchanges between Chinese and Japanese people than those with Americans and Europeans. This is because interactions are greatly dependent on culture and ways of thinking. For example, the idea of a “harmonious society” is purely a concept of Chinese tradition and Confucianism. The idea of “harmony” is extremely important for Chinese people and human beings.However, foreigners do not understand “harmony” as a “harmonious society” and it has no origins and bearing with their cultures. As a result, we need to locate a bridge in between and explain this Chinese concept to foreigners. Translation alone is not enough because the idea embodies many layers of cultural meanings.
On China-France ties
Q: The friendship between China and France has enjoyed a time-honored history, but it has gone off course since the Sarkozy administration took office. Since then, what conflicts of interest do you foresee between the French and the Chinese?
Vairon: Firstly, the nature of democracy in the Parliament of France should be understood clearly. We elect the French president every five years via voting by all citizens. The candidates in the running for French president are constantly changing, but the voting citizens never change, therefore, the two groups should be viewed separately.The government and the president will always have their political intentions, however, it is certain that the French citizens will not change their views suddenly just because of a particular government or a particular president.
For example, when President Jacques Chirac and President Francois Mitterrand were in office, the French and the Chinese people got along very well, and certainly, they still maintain a good relationship today. Political issue is nothing but political issue and it has no connection with the relationship among people between the two nations. As far as I am concerned, I never worry that the friendship between China and France would change. I am not worried about this because the friendship between the French and the Chinese people is deep and profound.
Secondly, I would like to go back to the history we talked about before. Since 1964 till now, we have maintained quite a good relationship. Maybe in 1840 we did not get along very well with each other. Certainly, relationships can often change. However, the citizens would never change and only the political world may have certain issues. It is certain that the feelings of the citizens may be influenced by media at times, but only a small part of them. The basis of the friendship between China and France is vigorous and long-lasting. -
Again, any summary?
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Why the West sees a threat in China
Again, any summary?
To make a long story short, the west sees a threat in China because they want to remain the dominant power in the world, so any non western power who becomes powerful, they see as threat.
We can summarise it further.
The west wants to be forever no.1.
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....and any comments?
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
To make a long story short, the west sees a threat in China because they want to remain the dominant power in the world, so any non western power who becomes powerful, they see as threat.
We can summarise it further.
The west wants to be forever no.1.
Thanks for the summary.
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There was a study done in US stating that in 20 years' time China will be one of the dominant power, country. I posted the article here.
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Originally posted by Chew Bakar:
Thanks for the summary.
China has a big population and rise in consumption will give lesser resources to the rest of the world and effectively squeeze the level of comfort in the west. That is a threat many in the west can't afford. That's what my view are.
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Originally posted by Chew Bakar:
China has a big population and rise in consumption will give lesser resources to the rest of the world and effectively squeeze the level of comfort in the west. That is a threat many in the west can't afford. That's what my view are.
Heh, the American Way of Life is after all, non negotiable.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Heh, the American Way of Life is after all, non negotiable.
Nor it is sustainable.
Honestly, if I am an Anglo-Saxon Christian with historical, economic, technological and military advanrage for the last 200 years, why should I share power with people from the lesser-White?
Remember, capitalism and democracy concepts were a foreign concepts to most Western power in the 18th century, They were ruled by monarchies and aristocracte elites. Their influence and colonsim spread by employing violence and gunboat diplomacy, not freedom or democracy.
Western powers only start using the new nice-guy strategy during the Cold-war and when anti-colonism became unstoppable after WWII.
When Cold-war ended, we hear a New-World-Order from USA and its allies. So we see Gulf-war 1/2, Afghan war, Somalia, Nato-enlargement, China-containment, Balkan war and re-alignments of power.
Problem is not every one likes Western democracy, music, culture and certainly not "American Way of Life". Do think US and her allies like that?
No way, I had been King for last 200 years and I ain't giving that away.
Heard of "Yellow-Peril" before? They are anti-human rights commies who cannot speak nor understand English!
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Originally posted by Gun:
Nor it is sustainable.
Honestly, if I am an Anglo-Saxon Christian with historical, economic, technological and military advanrage for the last 200 years, why should I share power with people from the lesser-White?
Remember, capitalism and democracy concepts were a foreign concepts to most Western power in the 18th century, They were ruled by monarchies and aristocracte elites. Their influence and colonsim spread by employing violence and gunboat diplomacy, not freedom or democracy.
Western powers only start using the new nice-guy strategy during the Cold-war and when anti-colonism became unstoppable after WWII.
When Cold-war ended, we hear a New-World-Order from USA and its allies. So we see Gulf-war 1/2, Afghan war, Somalia, Nato-enlargement, China-containment, Balkan war and re-alignments of power.
Problem is not every one likes Western democracy, music, culture and certainly not "American Way of Life". Do think US and her allies like that?
No way, I had been King for last 200 years and I ain't giving that away.
Heard of "Yellow-Peril" before? They are anti-human rights commies who cannot speak nor understand English!
kekekeke... lemme guess.... you've never lived in the west before eh ?
Oooo.. China.. baaaaad.... because they never been to China.
Ooooo... western world.. baaaaaddd... because they never been to the west...
What else is new ?
It' idiots like you who are the root of racism.
Share what share.. why must they share... you cannot make your own ah ?
Why must we be so parasitic ? If we cannot even be proud of our own achievement.. ( if we have any to begin with).. why should we demand respect and admiration from the westerners ?
Yah right.. blame everything on westerners.. have you ever considered that the reason why we are not as advance as them .. is due to what WE did to OURSELVES ?
So what if they have whatever new world order crapola.. are we actually so stupid to let it happen to us ?
Dude.. we have control over our own destiny.. Asia is not a region of cripples.
We are not zombie either.. our backward CULTURE is sometimes our OWN downfall.
Why must we Asians constantly look to westerners to be generous ? Don't you think that mindset in itself is in fact admitting that we are indeed a lesser human than them ?
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This is an outdated argument. Perharps in the 80s or 90s but in recent years I don't see this argument valid anymore.
If you observe:
The world continue to pour investment into China. Acknowledge that China is the manufacturing of the world.
2008 olympics saw nation leaders attending this global events given the respect it has to the host.
Countries around the world are accepting Chinese mirgant. Basically they are in all 4 corners of the world.
It has extensive influence over the UN.
So why China is still perceived not So welcome......Well bad international policy and bad domestics business practices.
Action comes with Reaction.
China continue to practice self interest first.... globally. Its influence on Sudan, Zimbawi, and Myanmar does not go down well with Christian Voters of most elected nations. Elected leaders have to balance the act between national interest and reflect upon its value.
Its does not have political resolution for Tibets, Taiwan. continue to keep its pet DPRK.
In Trades it domestics population are caught up being get "Rich Quick" they start to copy and priacy of Western product.
internet commercial espionage and political spying to harnest technology.
All these events does not convince the "People of the World" eventhough China is wealthy but question remain how do they behaved internationally.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Heh, the American Way of Life is after all, non negotiable.
there is no such thing as American way of life. Basically they are made up of immigrants from the world. -
Originally posted by Arapahoe:
there is no such thing as American way of life. Basically they are made up of immigrants from the world.Heh i'm just quoting George Bush II and Dick Cheney
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
there is no such thing as American way of life. Basically they are made up of immigrants from the world.Though immigrants are still coming, but the bulk of the americans are 3rd or 4th or 5th generations local born. Their ancestors came over 200 years ago from Europe. They are not immigrants anymore!
Over 200 years of American history, with vast land and resources, spared from any destruction of wars, the American society has grown and matured, with their own culture and way of life.
Their way of life is exported all over the world, hollywood movies, hamburger, Disneyland....and their values were sometimes imposed on weaker countries.
come to think of it, Singaporeans who are only first generation local born here are already considering themselves "TRUE BLUE" Singaporeans, when facing the influx of immigrants encouraged by the government. Do we have our Singaporeans Way of Life, in 40 years of history as an independent country?
Surely We Do!! why is there no American Way of Life?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
kekekeke... lemme guess.... you've never lived in the west before eh ?
Oooo.. China.. baaaaad.... because they never been to China.
Ooooo... western world.. baaaaaddd... because they never been to the west...
What else is new ?
It' idiots like you who are the root of racism.
Share what share.. why must they share... you cannot make your own ah ?
Why must we be so parasitic ? If we cannot even be proud of our own achievement.. ( if we have any to begin with).. why should we demand respect and admiration from the westerners ?
Yah right.. blame everything on westerners.. have you ever considered that the reason why we are not as advance as them .. is due to what WE did to OURSELVES ?
So what if they have whatever new world order crapola.. are we actually so stupid to let it happen to us ?
Dude.. we have control over our own destiny.. Asia is not a region of cripples.
We are not zombie either.. our backward CULTURE is sometimes our OWN downfall.
Why must we Asians constantly look to westerners to be generous ? Don't you think that mindset in itself is in fact admitting that we are indeed a lesser human than them ?
There is really no need to start name calling!
There is no blaming of the west in any of the posts so far. You are blaming the Chinese for being "parasitic" and "WE did to OURSELVES". and very sad to hear that your (and yours alone) "backward CULTURE is sometimes our (your) OWN downfall" and that you "are indeed a lesser human than them".
Surely you don't speak for any Chinese who "proud of our own achievement", or any Chinese at all.
and of course you have another forumite here who blame China for "bad international policy and bad domestics business practices." Is that a threat to the West?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
This is an outdated argument. Perharps in the 80s or 90s but in recent years I don't see this argument valid anymore.
If you observe:
The world continue to pour investment into China. Acknowledge that China is the manufacturing of the world.
2008 olympics saw nation leaders attending this global events given the respect it has to the host.
Countries around the world are accepting Chinese mirgant. Basically they are in all 4 corners of the world.
It has extensive influence over the UN.
So why China is still perceived not So welcome......Well bad international policy and bad domestics business practices.
Action comes with Reaction.
China continue to practice self interest first.... globally. Its influence on Sudan, Zimbawi, and Myanmar does not go down well with Christian Voters of most elected nations. Elected leaders have to balance the act between national interest and reflect upon its value.
Its does not have political resolution for Tibets, Taiwan. continue to keep its pet DPRK.
In Trades it domestics population are caught up being get "Rich Quick" they start to copy and priacy of Western product.
internet commercial espionage and political spying to harnest technology.
All these events does not convince the "People of the World" eventhough China is wealthy but question remain how do they behaved internationally.
there is one statement that is right here "Elected leaders have to balance the act between national interest and reflect upon its value." Yes, China's national interest does not coincide with that of the west, and Chinese culture differs from western culture, in many many ways.
The small nations, new nations, poor nations had only two choices in the past, the West, headed by the American, and the Commie, headed by the USSR. Even China, had depended on the US and the Russia to kick the Jap out of China. Many cities of China in the north has great russian influence, Heilongjian was even built by the russian. The US crushed the USSR, they thought they had the world, now China is a challenge, a threat, NO?
Don't blame the arrest of Aung San Su Kyi on the influence of Chinese, Asean need to reconsider their engagement with Burma; India, no influence on Burma, or Myanmar? just to name a few.
The political problem between China with Tibet, Taiwan began with the British and the Japanese, who occupied these Chinese territories and declared them independent! If China were not strong enough, the countries that occupied many parts of China during the late Qing Dynasty would have had the north eastern provinces, Tianjin, Shanghai all declared independent nations, then today China would have more political resolution to make. The Chinese must be glad that the west had only wanted the colonies, where they could exploit the great resources!
Looking at the way the Brits handed independence to the Indian subcontinent, which is now broken down into India, Blangadesh, Pakistan, and they are permenantly at war, speaking only english to communicate....again, if Chinese were considered a threat, they are proud of it.
It is not to "question how do they behaved internationally", it is what you want to do with the existence of a prosperous and wealthy China. Call it a threat? "Action comes with Reaction."
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
There is really no need to start name calling!
There is no blaming of the west in any of the posts so far. You are blaming the Chinese for being "parasitic" and "WE did to OURSELVES". and very sad to hear that your (and yours alone) "backward CULTURE is sometimes our (your) OWN downfall" and that you "are indeed a lesser human than them".
Surely you don't speak for any Chinese who "proud of our own achievement", or any Chinese at all.
and of course you have another forumite here who blame China for "bad international policy and bad domestics business practices." Is that a threat to the West?
LOL..you are indeed an annoying character Sgdiehard...
Seriously dude.. what is so admirable about the commie culture anyway ?
You mean to say it's really admirable what they do to cover up SARS.. imprison dissent.. ship tainted goods all over the world.. paint poison lead on our babies toys...build shody school buildings that killed so many innocent kids... etc etc.. now that's really admirable .. yes ?
Today you go into China with your new invention that's gonna change the world.. tomorrow you see 3 other factories manufacturing the same shit as you... you close shop , go home broken hearted.. and there's NOTHING you can do about it. COPY RIGHTS has no place in China.. because of their commie mindset, or you like to call it .. Culture.
China without the investments from the west.. you think their economy woulda be chugging along today ?
The technologies they have today.. are mostly stolen from the foreigners who comes in and INVEST in china.
But you are right.. without china..Walmart wouldn't exists..and yah.. if China becomes too advance.. their economy becomes independent ... they wouldn't need to rely on foreign investments.. afterall they have a HUGE domestic market- provided their spending culture continues to mimic the west- But by then.. who's gonna provide cheap export to the west ? Boo hoo....tha'ts a ReAL threat.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
LOL..you are indeed an annoying character Sgdiehard...
Seriously dude.. what is so admirable about the commie culture anyway ?
You mean to say it's really admirable what they do to cover up SARS.. imprison dissent.. ship tainted goods all over the world.. paint poison lead on our babies toys...build shody school buildings that killed so many innocent kids... etc etc.. now that's really admirable .. yes ?
Today you go into China with your new invention that's gonna change the world.. tomorrow you see 3 other factories manufacturing the same shit as you... you close shop , go home broken hearted.. and there's NOTHING you can do about it. COPY RIGHTS has no place in China.. because of their commie mindset, or you like to call it .. Culture.
China without the investments from the west.. you think their economy woulda be chugging along today ?
The technologies they have today.. are mostly stolen from the foreigners who comes in and INVEST in china.
But you are right.. without china..Walmart wouldn't exists..and yah.. if China becomes too advance.. their economy becomes independent ... they wouldn't need to rely on foreign investments.. afterall they have a HUGE domestic market- provided their spending culture continues to mimic the west- But by then.. who's gonna provide cheap export to the west ? Boo hoo....tha'ts a ReAL threat.
Aiya sista, u must understand that most of our sg Uncles here support PRC gals, they even give them allowances every month, and some even migrant to China just to be with them. To them, china is alway beautiful, fair skin, big front, great hips, sweet and cute. Therefore in supporting PRC gals, they tends to support China, they dun mind drinking their milk, even if it is tainted by a ..a...
One night in Beijing...wo lew ...
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
There was a study done in US stating that in 20 years' time China will be one of the dominant power, country. I posted the article here.
where?? where??? aiyo, aunty, dun anyhow read those study?? some western writers are just trying to make a living out of you and me, the funny thing is when PM or MM talks, all said talk cock, and when a goondo out of nowhere westerners talks, all knock their heads up and down in agreement.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
where?? where??? aiyo, aunty, dun anyhow read those study?? some western writers are just trying to make a living out of you and me, the funny thing is when PM or MM talks, all said talk cock, and when a goondo out of nowhere westerners talks, all knock their heads up and down in agreement.
Yah lor.. I rather go read "Alien Invasion".
This french guy.. who wrote this book.. I think he got dementia man.
His book title is " China Threat". then he says China is not a Threat... what the heck.. men never can make up their mind....
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Yah lor.. I rather go read "Alien Invasion".
This french guy.. who wrote this book.. I think he got dementia man.
His book title is " China Threat". then he says China is not a Threat... what the heck.. men never can make up their mind....
Yalor, u want to read this type of book ar?? go library, bookshops, they are all lying to be pick up, but most peoples are reading the magazines like FHM, sexy gals, Men health, vogue, etc etc...who cares about all these bulls author writing?? full of crap and not empirical at all. I rather read Lau Fu zi -
Originally posted by angel7030:
Yalor, u want to read this type of book ar?? go library, bookshops, they are all lying to be pick up, but most peoples are reading the magazines like FHM, sexy gals, Men health, vogue, etc etc...who cares about all these bulls author writing?? full of crap and not empirical at all. I rather read Lau Fu ziOhhh Lau fu Zi.. ah.. my childhood favourite.. not that I very old lah.. but I also like Xiao Ding Dang..
All the stupid China Threat books.. are written by people with xenophobia...
Western culture is very strange.. they have this dislike of the unlike mentality..xenophobic.
thats why they like Fusion food.. anything that don't remotely looks like what they are used to.. they don't dare touch it.
Asian like anything strange and exotic..the moment we know the animal is going extinct.. we pay top dollar to eat it...
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Ohhh Lau fu Zi.. ah.. my childhood favourite.. not that I very old lah.. but I also like Xiao Ding Dang..
All the stupid China Threat books.. are written by people with xenophobia...
Western culture is very strange.. they have this dislike of the unlike mentality..xenophobic.
thats why they like Fusion food.. anything that don't remotely looks like what they are used to.. they don't dare touch it.
Asian like anything strange and exotic..the moment we know the animal is going extinct.. we pay top dollar to eat it...
oh u read xiao ding dang or so call Daorenmon, well, the original from Japan was so expensive, so i read the pirate one, called Xiao Ding Dong. Kinda of make what i am today,...siao siao also a boss.To the west, we are the small peoples, and Ah Jesus belongs to them, they are the God childrens, we are just extra out of nowhere, and our mentality toward the western people had yet to change, we simply like to kowtow to them. The rich Chinese are having sex with America bimbos and we singaporeans are still thinking that westerners are King.
Yalor, anything that is levis is good, anything that is Panda is consider poor quality and cheapsake?? Westerners are good in psychology, most cannot make it in their own homeland and try to come to the far east to con us.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
oh u read xiao ding dang or so call Daorenmon, well, the original from Japan was so expensive, so i read the pirate one, called Xiao Ding Dong. Kinda of make what i am today,...siao siao also a boss.To the west, we are the small peoples, and Ah Jesus belongs to them, they are the God childrens, we are just extra out of nowhere, and our mentality toward the western people had yet to change, we simply like to kowtow to them. The rich Chinese are having sex with America bimbos and we singaporeans are still thinking that westerners are King.
Yalor, anything that is levis is good, anything that is Panda is consider poor quality and cheapsake?? Westerners are good in psychology, most cannot make it in their own homeland and try to come to the far east to con us.
If all chinese looks like Daniel Henny.. I will also kowtow to them..hehehehe..slurp..
My new heart throb.. I hope he is not gay...:P
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
If all chinese looks like Daniel Henny.. I will also kowtow to them..hehehehe..slurp..
My new heart throb.. I hope he is not gay...:P
Wow! yummy, oh come on sista, dun make me melt, i dun do it in the afternoon,...alamak, my twin peak tower is moving higher...I want, i want , i want!!! so fashionable, so manly, so sexy...can we share.///...??