News blackout on David Hartanto again?
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go to sub court to hear the inqury.FOC!
no one will ask your name or look at your IC.
Just swith off your hand phone before u enter the Court room,
not court builing.and keep your mouth shut.
then share with us how do u find the witness accounts .
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His family can voice their concerns and questions.
I urge them also explain the story that the claim that their son
attacked lectuer Chan from behind with a knife.
How was the termination of scholarship affecting their son?
I know how they feel.But,is it fair they launched attack on
Singapore before the end of inqury and claiming
their loved son has been murdered?
Is it fair to Singapore ?
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we can only establish the case from witness accounts.
here are the ytd one.
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SINGAPORE: The coroner’s court has cross—examined the first two witnesses provided by the family of the late David Widjaja.Channel NewsAsia via Yahoo! Philippines News - 18 Jun 10:29PM
The two witnesses knew Widjaja before they entered NTU. Both of them met him at a Mathematics Olympiad programme in Indonesia.
One of the witnesses is Edwin Lesmana Tjiong, who noted that Widjaja once told him that he found the final year project hard and troublesome.
The court also heard he and Widjaja attended the same church located in the Queenstown area. Tjiong said Widjaja used to be regular churchgoer but he started to attend services less frequently shortly before his death.
The second witness, Nolang Fanani, who had recently graduated from NTU, said he last saw Widjaja on the morning of his death as they were walking along a corridor. Fanani said Widjaja appeared normal.
Both witnesses said Widjaja had never spoken to them about Associate Professor Chan. They were also kept in the dark about his scholarship termination.
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can u guys read ALL the witness accounts,disregarding their nationality,
then come here to air your feeling.
I dunt mind u quote those NOT tabled in court.
so long the person can identity the sources of info.
Dunt spread any more rumor that his death related to a technology
or reseach .He was a bright student in year one.read here.
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do any singaporean feel insulted of the followings
Will the family show us the evidence that he was murdered!!
dunt delay and dunt say anything more.
If SG court refuse them to show in court,just put in on net
so the whole world to see.
I am too eager to see!
Family suspects interference in David's case
Jakarta Post - 2009年6月9日The family of David Hartanto Widjaja, an Indonesian student who died at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University (NTU) on March 2, and a local ...Family suspects interference in David's case
The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Wed, 06/10/2009 1:02 PM | National
The family of David Hartanto Widjaja, an Indonesian student who died at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University (NTU) on March 2, and a local verification team doubt the Singaporean court process of his death.
The coroner court under the subordinate court in Singapore has been processing the case to decide whether David's death was a suicide. If it not, then the case will be forwarded to the criminal court.
However, it appeared the court process was intentionally directed to a conclusion of suicide despite evidence showing a strong possibility of murder, according to David's family and the verification team.
"We have strong evidence that he was murdered but that fact was not brought up in the court," David's father, Hartono Wijaya, told a press conference Tuesday at the National Commission on Human Rights.
"Testimonies from witnesses presented by the NTU were fictitious and none of our witnesses was brought to the court."
Djaja Surya Atmadja, a forensic expert from the Faculty of Medicine in the University of Indonesia, said any forensic doctor could see from the forensic report that David's body had defense wounds, and that there were no wounds of suicide.
Bright student, dark problems
AsiaOne - 2009年5月24日In his first year, David Hartanto Widjaja, 21, focused on his studies at the Nanyang Technological University (NTU). But from the second year onwards, he ...Bright student, dark problems 
By Chong Shin Yen and Amanda Yong
HE WAS an outstanding student who came to Singapore to study on an Asean scholarship.
In his first year, David Hartanto Widjaja, 21, focused on his studies at the Nanyang Technological University (NTU). But from the second year onwards, he changed.
The electrical and electronic engineering (EEE) student would study only when exams were near.Instead of aiming to score well, he just wanted to pass.
By the time he reached his final year, things had become so bad that he was scared of the supervisor of his Final Year Project (FYP), Associate Professor Chan Kap Luk, 45.
So much so that he avoided the professor and would sneak away rather than face him because he had fallen behind in his FYP.
His close friend, Mr Hardian Setiawan Winata, revealed this yesterday at the coroner's inquiry into Widjaja's death.
The Indonesian fell four storeys to his death moments after he allegedly stabbed Prof Chan in his office at about 10.30am on 2 Mar.
Mr Hardian, an Indonesian who is in the same course at NTU, told the court that he noticed that Widjaja began skipping his lessons and tutorials in August 2007.
His grades worsened because he was spending a lot of time playing computer games in his hostel room.
'He told me that he can play more than 10 hours a day,' said Mr Hardian.
Then last August, Widjaja received an e-mail from the school regarding his poor grades.
Said Mr Hardian: 'He showed (the warning letter) to me at the beginning of our final year.
'David said it was okay. He said if his scholarship was terminated, his family can support him.'
By then, Widjaja was close to finishing his course and would have to pay only for his last semester if he lost his scholarship.
Avoiding professor
Mr Hardian, who is from West Java, and Widjaja became close friends in May 2007 after they were in the same project group. Mr Hardian said Widjaja shared his problems with him while they were working on his FYP and Human Resource Management project (HRM).
'He complained to me that the HRM project meetings took up a lot of time, disrupting his FYP,' he said.
Mr Hardian also said that Widjaja started to struggle with his FYP and tried to avoid Prof Chan, who was pressing him for updates.
'I could see David was scared of Prof Chan,' he said.
Mr Hardian recounted an incident late last year when the two students wanted to go to a laboratory to work on their assignments.
He said: 'But when David saw Prof Chan in the lab, he sneaked away. He avoided Prof Chan because he had no updates on his FYP. He was really busy (with his HRM project).'
Still, Widjaja did not appear worried about his FYP. Hardian said this was because he had one year to work on it. It was not mentioned how much time he was given to work on his HRM project.
The court also heard that Prof Chan would meet his FYP and post-graduate students every Wednesday evening, and the student would take turns to give updates on their projects.
Widjaja told Mr Hardian that during one such meeting in the first semester last year, Prof Chan scolded him for failing to give an update on his FYP.
Mr Hardian said that Widjaja played World of Warcraft and Defence of the Ancients.
But last December, he noticed that his friend was hooked on another online game called Destiny Online. While playing this game, he got to know a girl whom he was interested in.
'He told me he liked her. But he never showed me the girl's photograph even though I'd asked to see it,' said Mr Hardian.
He added that Widjaja communicated with the girl online and over the phone, but he did not know if they had met in person.
Two pathologists from the Health Science Authority also took the stand yesterday.
Dr Marian Wang, who conducted the autopsy, told the court that Mr Widjaja had 36 external injuries, which included abrasions, lacerations, cuts and bruises on his hands, head, fingers, and legs.
She said that there were 18 superficial cuts and one deep cut on the body.
'They could be inflicted while David was involved in a struggle with another party to gain control of the knife,' said Dr Wang.
She added that the other injuries sustained were consistent with those caused by a fall from height.
'He died from multiple injuries and it's impossible to isolate the most serious injury,' she said.
She was supervised by Dr Gilbert Lau, who was present during the autopsy.
Criminal lawyer Shashi Nathan, who was hired by Widjaja's family to hold a watching brief, wanted to know if a faint bruise on his neck could have been caused by a punch or a karate chop.
Dr Lau replied that he was 'rather intrigued' by the proposition. 'I have not been informed by the police of any martial artist involved (in the case),' he said.
He then said that it was very unlikely, as a punch or karate chop would have caused more serious injuries, such as the rupture of the voice box instead of just a faint bruise.
Widjaja's parents, his elder brother and uncle flew in from Jakarta on Tuesday and were in court yesterday.
Also present were representatives from NTU, officials from the Indonesian Embassy here and the Indonesian media. The inquiry continues today with Prof Chan taking the stand.
ABOUT THE CASE
ON 2 Mar at about 10.30am, Indonesian student David Hartanto Widjaja, 21, fell four storeys to his death at the Nanyang Technological University.
The incident happened moments after he allegedly stabbed his final year project supervisor, Associate Professor Chan Kap Luk, 45.
Day Two of the coroner's inquiry into Widjaja's death continues.
This article was first published in The New Paper.
and hereProf recounts knife attack
Straits Times - 2009年5月20日By Sujin Thomas & Kimberly Spykerman NANYANG Technological University (NTU) student David Hartanto Widjaja turned up unexpectedly at his professor's office ...Widjaja had 36 injuries Straits TimesFamily of Singapore Suicide Student Calls on Government for Assistance
Jakarta Globe - 2009年6月9日The family of David Hartanto Widjaja, an Indonesian student who allegedly committed suicide in Singapore, called on the government and the National Police ...
Civil movements use the Internet to support citizens
Jakarta Post - 2009年6月10日Civil movements are increasingly using the Internet to protect the rights of citizens, as public support of the recent cases of David Hartanto Widjaja and ...l...l... -
You know Widjaja could afford to pay the tuition fee. He's in his final year already how much left does he have to pay. Commiting suicide over scholarship termination in the final year doesn't make sense at all. I know some people would like the general population to believe that the scholarship termination depressed Widjaja into committing suicide. Disinformation as this argument is not of sound logic.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
You know Widjaja could afford to pay the tuition fee. He’s in his final year already how much left does he have to pay.
Commiting suicide over scholarship termination in the final year doesn’t make sense at all. I know some people would like the general population to believe that the scholarship termination depressed Widjaja into committing suicide.
Disinformation as this argument is not of sound logic.
finance is not the main source of pain.
academic result or the books or projects seem the main cause.
U can read from witness accounts that he was afraid to face CHAN!!
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His family or his peers can do anything(collect donations
for legal and other expenses)and say anythings .
Pl bear in mind that wat ever they do not go unnoticed.
SG gavaman dunt bother,i know wat are are worrying.
People around the world are watching how the fellow
citizens of the deceased react.
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Any one can concern his death.But pl act in a responsible way.
This affectc the image of their nation.No joke.I am serious.
watever u do,it wil affect the image of your nation and race.
u can do watever u like......
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why are we voting and paying taxes to support our court laws and orders just to serve FOREIGNERS??? both talented and non talented. Aint we stupid?? to pay taxes for our court to handle foreign peoples creating trouble here!!!. I am going to talk to my MP. How come they dun come and repair my house outside drain breakage railing and got time and money to serve the foreigners??
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Dear angel7030
Justice must be done and seen to be done.
SG court must do a proper inquiry to his death.
Money,spent reasonably and wisely,is not a issue.
I am waiting to see how the nine freinds in Indonesia can help
to show more info on his deaths.
State Coroner Yeo also received a letter last night drafted by the family’s legal advisers in Jakarta. The law firm, Otto Cornelis Kaligis and Associates, indicated the family wished to call nine other witnesses - in addition to the 28 scheduled witnesses - to give evidence.
Today understands all nine are David’s friends in Indonesia and police have already interviewed and recorded the statements of five of them. Those with “relevant” evidence will be allowed to testify, said State Coroner Yeo.http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC090618-0000073/Widjaja-familys-request-to-adjourn-inquiry-denied
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i have doubts on the usefulness on the evidences of the few frens in Indonesia.
His family also dunt know the termination of schloarship.
Then,wat did his frens know?
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shocking news just from channel 8--
Police testifys in court today claimed a article found in David's hard disk--
1.He wrote abt the unhappy childhood and lost the willingness to live--
2.He searched abt suicide and murder.
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so look out for news update.
Ai ya.i know u guys just think gavaman fake this article and records in
hard disk.
Nvm lah.....all can read the witness' accounts and can draw own conclusions.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
shocking news just from channel 8--
Police testifys in court today claimed a article found in David's hard disk--
1.He wrote abt the unhappy childhood and lost the willingness to live--
2.He searched abt suicide and murder.
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so look out for news update.
Ai ya.i know u guys just think gavaman fake this article and records in
hard disk.
Nvm lah.....all can read the witness' accounts and can draw own conclusions.
I can only draw conclusion that lionnoisy is a noisy pussy tat.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Dear angel7030
Justice must be done and seen to be done.
SG court must do a proper inquiry to his death.
Money,spent reasonably and wisely,is not a issue.
I am waiting to see how the nine freinds in Indonesia can help
to show more info on his deaths.
http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC090618-0000073/Widjaja-familys-request-to-adjourn-inquiry-denied
mmm
Dear lionnoisy,
the issue here is a complicated one, a mix of crime, politics, education and social responsibility all jumbled up in one case.
Crime: still not solved, witnesses are one sided, no neutral witness.
Politics: Singapore govt is sensitive to Indonesia politics, they need to continue good relationship, on the other hand, indonesia are looking for loophole to get Singapore. And this case may provide a chance.
Education: The project or the so call education of Singapore and the University reputation is at stake.
Social: Foreigner issue getting singaporean court to foot the bills, are Singaporean taxpayer going to be happy. Our local findings and conclusion against indonesia findings and conclusion can be a diseaster for both country.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
I can only draw conclusion that lionnoisy is a noisy pussy tat.
oh really! I thot he was a strong, full hairy chested lion, King of the Jungle -
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/06/20/photos-prove-student-did-not-commit-suicide-forensics-expert.html
The Jakarta Post, 20 Jun 2009
Photos prove student did not commit suicide: Forensics expert
A forensics expert insists that recently revealed photographs of the body of David Hartanto Widjaja, an Indonesian student who died at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University (NTU) on March 2, prove he died defending himself against knife attacks.
Djaja Surya Atmadja, a noted forensic expert from the University of Indonesia who had seen the photographs, said Friday that all wounds on the body emphasized the fact David had not committed suicide as reported.
The photographs, which The Jakarta Post also obtained, show several defense wounds that have never been revealed in or out of the Singaporean court, Djaja says.
"I can assume, based on the photographs, David was attacked by one or two people with a knife," he told the Post in a telephone conversation.
Early reports in the Singaporean media had accused David of stabbing his professor at NTU, Chan Kap Luk, before slitting his wrists and jumping to his death.
One of several defense wounds found on the body is a deep diagonal 20-centimeter-long cut on the right hand near the wrist, Djaja said after observing the photographs.
A diagonal cut, he said, showed David was more likely to have been warding off a knife attack against him.
"If David wanted to commit suicide, he would not have cut his hand that way *diagonally*, but with a flat cut along his wrist," Djaja said.
The pictures also showed David's right leg had been twisted, which Djaja believes was caused by somebody, or was sustained because the leg had been stuck before David fell.
"I'm sure the twisted leg was not caused by the fall," Djaja said.
The photographs also showed David's right palm was covered in small flat wounds.
Such wounds could have been caused by David clenching the knife in a defensive position, Djaja said.
Djaja said he would attend the next hearing at the Singaporean coroner's court on June 24 and 25, to explain the forensic facts, based on photographs, that wounds on David's body were defense injuries.
Meanwhile, the lawyer for David's family, Otto Cornelius Kaligis told the Post he would undertake whatever measures were necessary to prove David was not guilty and that he had been attacked.
"I have found many irregularities in the legal processing of David's case in Singapore," Kaligis said, adding that he suspected the Singaporean officials had been covering up many significant facts.
David's father, Hartono Widjaja, said his family had tried to present nine of David's NTU fellow students as witnesses to the court, but only one was approved by court officials.
"But all 27 witnesses from NTU's side were approved," he said.
Both Kaligis and Hartono suspected the court process was intentionally directed to a conclusion of suicide, despite evidence showing a strong possibility of murder.
Only if the coroner court finds it was not suicide will the case be forwarded to the criminal court.
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More at Singapore News Alternative:
1. Photos prove student (David Widjaja) did not commit suicide: Forensics expert
2. Singapore Armed Force promotes 208 warrant officers
3. Lee Kuan Yew keeps corruption at bay
4. Singapore's Mr Sandman
5. Jitters over religion hard sell
6. Consortium backing out of AIG deal due to internal differences
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Originally posted by Yxxxone:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/06/20/photos-prove-student-did-not-commit-suicide-forensics-expert.html
The Jakarta Post, 20 Jun 2009
Photos prove student did not commit suicide: Forensics expert
A forensics expert insists that recently revealed photographs of the body of David Hartanto Widjaja, an Indonesian student who died at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University (NTU) on March 2, prove he died defending himself against knife attacks.
Djaja Surya Atmadja, a noted forensic expert from the University of Indonesia who had seen the photographs, said Friday that all wounds on the body emphasized the fact David had not committed suicide as reported.
The photographs, which The Jakarta Post also obtained, show several defense wounds that have never been revealed in or out of the Singaporean court, Djaja says.
"I can assume, based on the photographs, David was attacked by one or two people with a knife," he told the Post in a telephone conversation.
Early reports in the Singaporean media had accused David of stabbing his professor at NTU, Chan Kap Luk, before slitting his wrists and jumping to his death.
One of several defense wounds found on the body is a deep diagonal 20-centimeter-long cut on the right hand near the wrist, Djaja said after observing the photographs.
A diagonal cut, he said, showed David was more likely to have been warding off a knife attack against him.
"If David wanted to commit suicide, he would not have cut his hand that way *diagonally*, but with a flat cut along his wrist," Djaja said.
The pictures also showed David's right leg had been twisted, which Djaja believes was caused by somebody, or was sustained because the leg had been stuck before David fell.
"I'm sure the twisted leg was not caused by the fall," Djaja said.
The photographs also showed David's right palm was covered in small flat wounds.
Such wounds could have been caused by David clenching the knife in a defensive position, Djaja said.
Djaja said he would attend the next hearing at the Singaporean coroner's court on June 24 and 25, to explain the forensic facts, based on photographs, that wounds on David's body were defense injuries.
Meanwhile, the lawyer for David's family, Otto Cornelius Kaligis told the Post he would undertake whatever measures were necessary to prove David was not guilty and that he had been attacked.
"I have found many irregularities in the legal processing of David's case in Singapore," Kaligis said, adding that he suspected the Singaporean officials had been covering up many significant facts.
David's father, Hartono Widjaja, said his family had tried to present nine of David's NTU fellow students as witnesses to the court, but only one was approved by court officials.
"But all 27 witnesses from NTU's side were approved," he said.
Both Kaligis and Hartono suspected the court process was intentionally directed to a conclusion of suicide, despite evidence showing a strong possibility of murder.
Only if the coroner court finds it was not suicide will the case be forwarded to the criminal court.
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More at Singapore News Alternative:
1. Photos prove student (David Widjaja) did not commit suicide: Forensics expert
2. Singapore Armed Force promotes 208 warrant officers
3. Lee Kuan Yew keeps corruption at bay
4. Singapore's Mr Sandman
5. Jitters over religion hard sell
6. Consortium backing out of AIG deal due to internal differences
.Load of crap.
Ya, based on images, I conclude big foot exists on Mars.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324800,00.html
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since u guys saying SG black out his news,i quote some news fr Indo here--
so u can see their logic....
His family lawyer fr Indo says
''suspected the Singaporean officials had been covering up many significant facts.''
Then,
''A forensics expert insists that recently revealed photographs of the body of David Hartanto Widjaja, an Indonesian student who died at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University (NTU) on March 2, prove he died defending himself against knife attacks.''
Photos prove student did not commit suicide: Forensics expert
The Jakarta Post , JAKARTA | Sat, 06/20/2009
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/06/20/photos-prove-student-did-not-commit-suicide-forensics-expert.html
If SG wants to cover up,do u think they will provide so many photos
of David body to them?
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If He was attacked,why did he climb to the top of the bridge and jump
without any threats?He should call the police,right?
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His parents wanted to call 9 witness fr Indonesia to testify in court.
i read fr news that 5 alreday refused to appear,saying they have anything
to provide.
His parents did not know termination of scholarship.What else did the
9 witness would know?
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my theory is that mas selamat smuggle himself into singapore to murder David Hartanto and escape out of singapore again.
the police/ gahmen/ some guy who cant sing is too embarrassed to reveal the truth so they stabbed the ntu prof and claim David Hartanto commit suicide
of course, if the gahmen admit mas selamat can anyhow enter singapore to murder people, it would cause a panic so its all for the best
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In my opinion David was clearly murdered. The fact that the Singapore authority try to deny this and it's been so weakly convincing is a clue that a power play is at hand.
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I have few questions--
1.Have they received 3 letters fr NTU concerning the poor results of David?
The family said they had not been informed that scholarship renewed.
2.If they could not see the body,why did they authorize NTU to
cremate the body?They should bring the body back.
Now,they said the were pressuised by NTU to cremate the body in SG.
I think it is not fair to NTU.
3.NTU and Spore are also treated by this family unfairly.
15-Apr-200915-Apr-2009
Mr William Hartanto Widjaja signed a Health Sciences Authority (HSA) form on 3 March 2009, authorising an NTU officer to collect the autopsy report of Mr David Hartanto Widjaja on behalf of the family.
When NTU was informed by HSA that the autopsy report was ready for collection on 2 April 2009 afternoon, the officer from NTU duly collected the autopsy report that same afternoon and sent it to David’s parents on the morning of 3 April 2009.
The Singapore Police are handling the investigations, which are still on-going. Any parallel action or speculation would be unhelpful to determining what happened.04-Mar-2009University Statement on scholarship (4 March 2009 at 7.30 pm):
David Widjaja’s academic performance was below the requirements of the Asean Undergraduate Scholarship award. He was given 3 letters by the University (10 Aug 2007, 22 Jan 2008 and 18 Aug 2008) advising him to improve on his academic performance and urging him to do his best in the coming examinations.mmmm,,,,,,,
'Unfair treatment'
Straits Times - 4�时�THE case of Mr David Hartanto Widjaja, an Indonesian student who died at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University (NTU) in March, is entering a crucial ... -
Why NTU should made a statement fast after David's incident?
David's brother Willaims blasted NTU--
''lashed out at NTU over a statement it released shortly after the incident, saying such a statement should not have been released before investigations were done.''
http://www.sgpolitics.net/?p=3320#more-3320
u can read the statement here
04-Mar-2009Answer--very simple.NTU need to feed back the concerns of many students,staff and their families,local as well as overseas.More than 10 % of students come fr overseas.Their parents would feel suprised and shock that a foreign studentdead in NTU compound.They are thousand miles away.Their first reaction is ---what happened?Is there a crazy serial killer in NTU?2.NTU had gathered reasonable info,eye witness or even the HP clipetc to certain the incident.There are at least a dozen of witnesscan confirm the last moments.3.On the other hand,there would be more rumors if NTUdid not make any statement.So,a statement is better than none,in over all.@@@@@@@@@@@@@''there are many who knows David personally and read this thread.Can u tell me have his parents received any 3 letters fr NTU about the fallingresults?Read more for other ideas.
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NTU could provide few versions to public--
which one do u feel better,suppose u are
1.Parents of overseas student or local students
2.Public
3.staff and students.
THere are a no. of witness!!
1.The one u read here
04-Mar-20092.NTU told u a Professor has been stabbed and a student dead.Police are still investigating the cases.NO comment from NTU.@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@''Dare not testifyDavid family claimed few witness dare not come forward to testifyin court becos they afraid their results would be affected.This is avery big insult to NTU,the staff and Singapore.Ok.I invite them to put their accounts in web.No true name required. -
this site provides a very good accounts of reports..
http://anonymousxwrites.blogspot.com/2009/06/david-hartanto-widjajas-father.html
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This post provides a very good account of lionnoisy:
http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326
Anyway if you all want to know more about lionnoisy:
He is a well known troll and troublemakers in sgforums, in fact he even resorted to the use of fake user accounts in order to create "support" for himself...
MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?
A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY
a lion puppet
For those who wondered what happened.
Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.
Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.
This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.
A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]
In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]
The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.
To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.
When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.
The reader turned out to be right. ...
After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.
This is what happened:
29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "
Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:
Originally posted by makepeace:
Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King
bans TV drama serices & interviews
glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent
jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.
U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will
ban TV programmes .Right?
U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters
are so hot there.Right?
u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?
1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly
Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html
2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview
Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008
Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,
the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis
and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran
respectively,were interviewed.
Its damn interesting that this news was under
Entertainment section!!
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King
in www.yahoo.com.au
6.Questions
A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial
is still on?
B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?
C.Am i look like anti--Oz?
D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.
i dunt expect the there are so many details about
Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?
Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.
Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.
But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
I cant believe there are so many killings
in the above links !!!
More excited than Holloywood movies!!
Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.
Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.
But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Why did u check IP and English of forumers?
i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!
It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!
Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.
Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?
Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my
pigeon hole?
I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,
PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct
and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after
i click submit.How safe in this forum??
I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to
catch the criminal,
Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!
Another paethetic, and desperate reply from him when he was cornered:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
oh it is good.Then can help me saving time to see counsellors How to get rid of computers addicts!!bye
Those who want to see what happened can go here:
http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326
And some screencaps, so the evidence is preserved:
"mysterous" makepeace appears:
and of course his own excited and poorly acted "reply" to his own clone.
and his own desperate and feeble attempts to wriggle out of the situtation:
LOL, what a joker!
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
You know Widjaja could afford to pay the tuition fee. He’s in his final year already how much left does he have to pay.
Commiting suicide over scholarship termination in the final year doesn’t make sense at all. I know some people would like the general population to believe that the scholarship termination depressed Widjaja into committing suicide.
Disinformation as this argument is not of sound logic.
linking rich indonesian to lack of money is stupid.
How difficult is it to infer that failing school, not lack of money, is the main reason behind this theory.
