Originally posted by Rock^Star:
lol. today not at ur hotel or pub ah
hotel got assistance to take care, me later go pub, singapore pub open afternoon who want to come...cat and dog ar??
Originally posted by skythewood:depend on what discipline you mean. the discipline to follow orders to the letter? Wait for things to happen? That is not very useful
Or the mentality not to be a whiny guy when your sergeant ask you to do stuff, and actually think and do stuff for the benefit of the team? I think this discipline is more useful.
Very simple ah.
Discipline can be used in many ways.
If your sergeant ask you to kill a child or rape a woman during war time.
Will you follow his orders ? If you don't are you un-disciplined ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Very simple ah.
Discipline can be used in many ways.
If your sergeant ask you to kill a child or rape a woman during war time.
Will you follow his orders ? If you don't are you un-disciplined ?
You are not in NS, so you tell me, will you do it?
Are you saying that having discipline is to follow orders stupidly?
Originally posted by skythewood:i said imagine. how the hell can ayone measure discipline?
So imagine otherwise, then NS don't instill discipline if the success rate is less than what you imagine,right?
Originally posted by angel7030:
But at least they learned to work as a team mah, they learned to tolerate and endure hardship mah and also, they are more healthy concious, if you look at our parks, our guys are still joggin even after NS, strong and tough, unlike our neighbours, all thin thin and hardly see anyone in the park running or joggin?? And when you look at them, they like want to fight and cause trouble, total lack of tolerances. And those sg Uncles who now got son going NS also trained their son up and be prepare, I see that in our ECP. But of course you dun expect all to be discipline mah, civilian life tend to enjoy more and they are expected to free themselves and once awhile spoil themselve. And they learn about politics in NS too, and that apply to office politics too, i guess. You sabo me I sabo you.Ok sista, dun say i sabo you hor
Wat loh.
NS teach them about eat snake more than discipline hor. Most NS guys san bee bah.. some more botak head.. where got attractive ? The muscle ones are the regulars.. those sign on ones only ok ?
You donno ah.. the famous statement resulting from NS training " Do anything but don't get caught".. that's why so many SG men eat side dish in their marriage.Then later get caught liao.. blame their sergeant for teaching them bad things.
Put 3 women together you get wet market. Put 3 men together you get a chicken coop. Imagine a whole platoon.. FINISH !!
Originally posted by Chew Bakar:So imagine otherwise, then NS don't instill discipline if the success rate is less than what you imagine,right?
Correct.
Originally posted by skythewood:You are not in NS, so you tell me, will you do it?
Are you saying that having discipline is to follow orders stupidly?
that is not discipline, that is blind obedience
discipline means restraint (eg. instead of going our to party, u will sit down and mug for your exams, that's discipline)
NS help guys mature and more rugged, i think it's a good learning exp, i've seen some guys who really become more mature after NS
of course not every guy will learn from NS, many guys I have seen are no different from when they just entered NS. in fact some even became worse off, spouting vulgarities and picking up bad habits like smoking
Originally posted by candiz:that is not discipline, that is blind obedience
discipline means restraint (eg. instead of going our to party, u will sit down and mug for your exams, that's discipline)
NS help guys mature and more rugged, i think it's a good learning exp, i've seen some guys who really become more mature after NS
of course not every guy will learn from NS, many guys I have seen are no different from when they just entered NS. in fact some even became worse off, spouting vulgarities and picking up bad habits like smoking
Well, they are of legal age to smoke and drink, so they can do that...
Originally posted by will4:Jojo, I agreed that order should not be followed blindly since the SAF is trying to produce thinkng soldiers.
OK. So will you defy his orders and run away be a army deserter and be hunted down like a dog ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Wat loh.
NS teach them about eat snake more than discipline hor. Most NS guys san bee bah.. some more botak head.. where got attractive ? The muscle ones are the regulars.. those sign on ones only ok ?
You donno ah.. the famous statement resulting from NS training " Do anything but don't get caught".. that's why so many SG men eat side dish in their marriage.Then later get caught liao.. blame their sergeant for teaching them bad things.
Put 3 women together you get wet market. Put 3 men together you get a chicken coop. Imagine a whole platoon.. FINISH !!
That is the a skill they learned, do anything you like but dun get caught, a smart skill, eating snake also need skill, no so simple ok.
So what about guys, we got boys sch too, so RI is finished ar?? And what about RGS??
Originally posted by angel7030:
So what about guys, we got boys sch too, so RI is finished ar?? And what about RGS??
Those kids havn't hit puberty yet mah. Why you worry so much ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Those kids havn't hit puberty yet mah. Why you worry so much ?
that is the problem, i dun want to meet a straight head one, aint enjoyable, get me some crook one before their puberty is over.
I think basically, many of our guys are spoonfeed and maid feed from young, so NS provide the platform that they need to learn to be independent and get mature and be ready to face the real facts of life.
Originally posted by candiz:that is not discipline, that is blind obedience
OK. So is going to NS against your wishes.. discipline or blind obedience ?
Originally posted by angel7030:I think basically, many of our guys are spoonfeed and maid feed from young, so NS provide the platform that they need to learn to be independent and get mature and be ready to face the real facts of life.
OK. So if you have a son or two.. will you send them overseas to avoid the conscript life. Or you will happily send them off at the CMPB ?
If you are lucky.. they comes back a man.. if you are not lucky.. they come home in a body bag.
Independence and maturity does not happen only via a mandatory boot camp.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Those kids havn't hit puberty yet mah. Why you worry so much ?
how about the sergeants and lieutnants or even the colonels??
Originally posted by angel7030:
how about the sergeants and lieutnants or even the colonels??
What about them ?
Originally posted by skythewood:Correct.
Discipline depends much on the person himself rather than external factor like NS or school.
What NS do to a person is very subjective. The results can go both ways.
Originally posted by jojobeach:OK. So if you have a son or two.. will you send them overseas to avoid the conscript life. Or you will happily send them off at the CMPB ?
If you are lucky.. they comes back a man.. if you are not lucky.. they come home in a body bag.
Independence and maturity does not happen only via a mandatory boot camp.
yes, i am more than willing to send them, my own brother was a big brat at home, after NS, he completely changed, very mature, get married and live happily everafter, same goes to my ex bf, after NS, he get more matured and instead of me, go for a mature older gal, get engaged and i even attended the ceremony.
Lots of Americans parents hv seen boxes cover with america flags, ours is consider very less, let them take the hard knock of life, honor for the country, and as womanfolks we support them all the way, afterall, boys love to play with fire.
Originally posted by angel7030:
yes, i am more than willing to send them, my own brother was a big brat at home, after NS, he completely changed, very mature, get married and live happily everafter, same goes to my ex bf, after NS, he get more matured and instead of me, go for a mature older gal, get engaged and i even attended the ceremony.
Lots of Americans parents hv seen boxes cover with america flags, ours is consider very less, let them take the hard knock of life, honor for the country, and as womanfolks we support them all the way, afterall, boys love to play with fire.
People mature with age and expereinces. Not NS. Men in other countries are more mature than singapore's own men.
Originally posted by angel7030:
yes, i am more than willing to send them, my own brother was a big brat at home, after NS, he completely changed, very mature, get married and live happily everafter, same goes to my ex bf, after NS, he get more matured and instead of me, go for a mature older gal, get engaged and i even attended the ceremony.
Lots of Americans parents hv seen boxes cover with america flags, ours is consider very less, let them take the hard knock of life, honor for the country, and as womanfolks we support them all the way, afterall, boys love to play with fire.
What makes you so sure NS IS the reason they matured ? Are you comparing guys at the same age who goes NS vs those who don't ?
Maturity is a life phase every man and woman has to go through. And it will happen with or without NS.
So if NS is the only reason why men matures.. then the girls all never will grow up ah ?
If it is your child in that box covered in National color.. will you still feel the same way ?
No parents should have to bury their own children.
No parents will care for the honor if that has to be paid with the life of their children.
Originally posted by jojobeach:What makes you so sure NS IS the reason they matured ? Are you comparing guys at the same age who goes NS vs those who don't ?
Maturity is a life phase every man and woman has to go through. And it will happen with or without NS.
So if NS is the only reason why men matures.. then the girls all never will grow up ah ?
If it is your child in that box covered in National color.. will you still feel the same way ?
No parents should have to bury their own children.
We grow up naturally mah, once you see the front starting to balloon, we naturally grow up liao.
As for men in NS, i believe they are taught on leadership, on to lead, how to be a team member, how to take care of each other, how to be responsibility to yourself and the group and also your things, before going NS, my brother, just eat and dun wash, he also never clean his room, shout at my grandma and me, and always knock my head, when he was asked to lead the JOO chiat young football team, he make a mess out of it, ending in fighting and quarrelling, after Ns, he is different, he do his own chores, keep his things nicely, take care of us, and when he play for the senior football team for our JOO Chiat CC, he was nominated as the Capt of the team automatically cos they see the leadership in him, and instead of fighting he settle issue and keep everyone happy.
But perhaps he is one of the sort, i dunno about others??