why should they not ? If they can't get a higher price for the water then just cut it. If they are in political trouble then just cut it. If they want to build a crooked bridge then just build it.
I don't agree with you.
I cant agree on the discipline issue.
I agree with you.
Discipline starts from home not conscript into slavery.
Serve two years to protect country with 35% foreigners.
Rubbish.
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Even the Philipines President cannot believe how stupid the Silliporeans are, do NS but:
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...and boasts about it.
u believe in Arroyo ar?? so stupid, even these pinoys maid here are not believing in her, and you believe in them.
let's play a logic game
will foreigners stay if there is a war?
A) yes,
B) no.
When singapore is at war, will there be 35% foreigners around?
A) yes
B) no
Let's see how the logic game goes.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:Should shorten to 1-1.5 years.
2 years is rubbish in my view.
Your views socialist?
Change rubbish 2 year policy to 1-1.5 years?
What are your views on stupid 10 years reservist crap?
Those guys who has done their 2 years and served their reservist will be very buay song the younger generations are having it easier leh.
How you gonna pacify their anger ah ?
Misery loves company..so it seems.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:I agree with you.
Discipline starts from home not conscript into slavery.
Serve two years to protect country with 35% foreigners.
Rubbish.
Discipline and NS has nothing to do with each other. A person can be disciplined without NS too. Military discipline does not equate to life discipline. military discipline is about operational readiness, efficiency and team work. In short, it is related to work, not life.
Look around u , will ya, There are locals who are waiting to dismantle the PAP in the next election, people who commit molest and peeping Tom activities, A NSF who due to stress smuggles a rifle out of camp, recruits who shoot their officers during range, take MCs and keng..lots more..It does shows one that anything in moderation works, but when it is excessive, it just fails.
Did NS cause them to be disciplined?, i think NS has screwed their minds and made them to be vicious, calculative animals in their own way. It is not a hidden fact that military life brings out the savage qualities in you.
Originally posted by Socialist:Discipline and NS has nothing to do with each other. A person can be disciplined without NS too. Military discipline does not equate to life discipline. military discipline is about operational readiness, efficiency and team work. In short, it is related to work, not life.
Look around u , will ya, There are locals who are waiting to dismantle the PAP in the next election, people who commit molest and peeping Tom activities, A NSF who due to stress smuggles a rigle out of camp, recruits who shoot their officers during range, take MCs and keng..lots more..
Did NS cause them to be disciplined?, i think NS has screwed their minds and made them to be vicious, calculative animals in their own way. It is not a hidden fact that military life brings out the savage qualities in you.
people who did not go through NS CAN be discipline too. That is correct.
people who went through NS CAN be fucked up. That is also correct.
But that DOES NOT mean that NS does not instill disciplined. Get your facts right
Imagaine there are 100 guys, and without NS, 40 of them become disciplined.
same 100 guys, all go through NS,
A) 80 of them become disciplined NS instill discipline
B) 40 of them become disciplined. NS does not instill discipline.
But what you are telling me is that ==> there are 20 guys who did not become discipline, NS don't work. I will tell you to rethink your logic.
Originally posted by skythewood:people who did not go through NS CAN be discipline too. That is correct.
people who went through NS CAN be fucked up. That is also correct.But that DOES NOT mean that NS does not instill disciplined. Get your facts right
Imagaine there are 100 guys, and without NS, 40 of them become disciplined.
same 100 guys, all go through NS,A) 80 of them become disciplined NS instill discipline
B) 40 of them become disciplined. NS does not instill discipline.
But what you are telling me is that ==> there are 20 guys who did not become discipline, NS don't work. I will tell you to rethink your logic.
Please tell me where you get the figure from. Interested so I can see if NS is such great deal.
Originally posted by Chew Bakar:Please tell me where you get the figure from. Interested so I can see if NS is such great deal.
i said imagine. how the hell can ayone measure discipline?
Originally posted by skythewood:people who did not go through NS CAN be discipline too. That is correct.
people who went through NS CAN be fucked up. That is also correct.But that DOES NOT mean that NS does not instill disciplined. Get your facts right
Imagaine there are 100 guys, and without NS, 40 of them become disciplined.
same 100 guys, all go through NS,A) 80 of them become disciplined NS instill discipline
B) 40 of them become disciplined. NS does not instill discipline.
But what you are telling me is that ==> there are 20 guys who did not become discipline, NS don't work. I will tell you to rethink your logic.
I agree, just looking across the causeway into our neighbourhood young peoples, not only they are given less education, but most lack of discipline and manners. Walk like ah beng, talk loud, spat here and there, smoke like no tomorrow, flip flop and no fashion, hair also highlighted wrongly.
We are not like Taiwan where the current president is pro-unification. And China is unlikely to cut off their own nose to spite the face.
In singapore, we are different. We are surrounded by muslims and after all, singapore was never our land to begin with.
I think my 2 1/2 years of NS is a waste of my time. It would be more acceptable if they reduce it to 12-15 months. After all, we have years of reservist to sharpen our skills.
Originally posted by angel7030:
I agree, just looking across the causeway into our neighbourhood young peoples, not only they are given less education, but most lack of discipline and manners. Walk like ah beng, talk loud, spat here and there, smoke like no tomorrow, flip flop and no fashion, hair also highlighted wrongly.
auntie, many singaporeans fare little better.
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
auntie, many singaporeans fare little better.
hahaha, me aunty liao, ok ok,...guai guai, later aunty buy sweet for you hor, you like lollipop?? be good and discipline ya, that is our Singapore guy trademarks, guys in Singapore are trained to be discipline, respect the elder, tolerate, endure and plan for his future.
Originally posted by Rock^Star:We are not like Taiwan where the current president is pro-unification. And China is unlikely to cut off their own nose to spite the face.
In singapore, we are different. We are surrounded by muslims and after all, singapore was never our land to begin with.
I think my 2 1/2 years of NS is a waste of my time. It would be more acceptable if they reduce it to 12-15 months. After all, we have years of reservist to sharpen our skills.
Uncle, serve already served, if now they reduce, you more angry, and someone will say, why last time i serve 2.5 y and now only 1 y...problem never end. Take care Uncle, apply what you hv learn in army, be it Siam, Run, Hide, Hokkien, tolerances, teamwork, endurances or duty...u learned
Conscript soldiers lack dedicationa nd motivation. Picture this, in an even war occurs, many will just drop their arms and surrender. They have no expereince in war and definetly lacking the hardness of exerienced combat veterans.
when ur family is threatened, then see if u want to surrender or face off with the enemy or not...
no need to go thru NS to be disciplined or what. they shd reduce man....i wun feel dulan. Gotta think for my future kids.
Please ah.. Discipline from NS is over-rated.
NS only produces YES MEN.
Most men pretend to discipline in NS.. after come out.. you think they still discipline ah ? No hor.
Originally posted by angel7030:
hahaha, me aunty liao, ok ok,...guai guai, later aunty buy sweet for you hor, you like lollipop?? be good and discipline ya, that is our Singapore guy trademarks, guys in Singapore are trained to be discipline, respect the elder, tolerate, endure and plan for his future.
lol. today not at ur hotel or pub ah
Originally posted by Socialist:Conscript soldiers lack dedicationa nd motivation. Picture this, in an even war occurs, many will just drop their arms and surrender. They have no expereince in war and definetly lacking the hardness of exerienced combat veterans.
yah, and all wars are fought with professional soldiers, not conscript. Just look at WWII
And yah, all the conscript will surrender... And to solve the problem, 2 options. TRAIN them, or give up. and giving up makes sense to you, right?
Originally posted by skythewood:yah, and all wars are fought with professional soldiers, not conscript. Just look at WWII
And yah, all the conscript will surrender... And to solve the problem, 2 options. TRAIN them, or give up. and giving up makes sense to you, right?
Wah.. you like NS so much ah.. you go join lah.. volunteer lor.. nobardie will stop you.
Others don't want to serve... that's their choice wat..
Just because you want then must everyone to want also meh ? Doesn't make sense wor.
You jump.. not everyone must jump right ?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Please ah.. Discipline from NS is over-rated.
NS only produces YES MEN.
Most men pretend to discipline in NS.. after come out.. you think they still discipline ah ? No hor.
depend on what discipline you mean. the discipline to follow orders to the letter? Wait for things to happen? That is not very useful
Or the mentality not to be a whiny guy when your sergeant ask you to do stuff, and actually think and do stuff for the benefit of the team? I think this discipline is more useful.
okay, singapore to abolish national slavery...
but for defence, we will need to import foreign talents for military protection... e.g. defence model system like french foreign legion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion
Originally posted by jojobeach:Please ah.. Discipline from NS is over-rated.
NS only produces YES MEN.
Most men pretend to discipline in NS.. after come out.. you think they still discipline ah ? No hor.
But at least they learned to work as a team mah, they learned to tolerate and endure hardship mah and also, they are more healthy concious, if you look at our parks, our guys are still joggin even after NS, strong and tough, unlike our neighbours, all thin thin and hardly see anyone in the park running or joggin?? And when you look at them, they like want to fight and cause trouble, total lack of tolerances. And those sg Uncles who now got son going NS also trained their son up and be prepare, I see that in our ECP. But of course you dun expect all to be discipline mah, civilian life tend to enjoy more and they are expected to free themselves and once awhile spoil themselve. And they learn about politics in NS too, and that apply to office politics too, i guess. You sabo me I sabo you.
Ok sista, dun say i sabo you hor
Originally posted by jojobeach:Wah.. you like NS so much ah.. you go join lah.. volunteer lor.. nobardie will stop you.
Others don't want to serve... that's their choice wat..
Just because you want then must everyone to want also meh ? Doesn't make sense wor.
You jump.. not everyone must jump right ?
duh. who want to serve? If it is the "want" part, guys have no choice. the debate is not even on the "want" part
Now the debate is whether it is necessary and whether it is useful