Influx of Foreign Talents in Singapore
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What do you think of the influx of foreign talents in Singapore? Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? What can SIngaporeans do in order for them to be able to keep their jobs?
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Wanna do homework also must put in some effort and look at the countless threads on this topic.
Looks like we really need foreign talent at the rate our students are going
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Originally posted by rekcutdnabib:
What do you think of the influx of foreign talents in Singapore? Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? What can SIngaporeans do in order for them to be able to keep their jobs?
use the search button on the top of this forum page.... so many debates on this liao... -
Personally, it is a bad thing because I am living in a more crowded place. I get frustrated as I see many PRs unable or unwilling to integrate.
I have come across one PR who went about sneering at the local Chinese. It really made me sat up and asked why this guy is here in Sg. Someone has to tell him the awful truth - shape up or ship out but no one did.
From the govt point of view, population spike is as good as a revenue collection spike - from increase in GST and other taxes to faster circular flow of business fund.
The professional PRs are not coming here to serve Singaporeans on hands and feet. Singaporeans need to understand that they are here to work side-by-side. In some cases, the PRs will be boss, lecturer, supervisor etc.
So my shock when I came across forumites who associate the PRs with servitude, like those of the work permit holders. see link
The PRs are not here to do the unwanted, unclean, dangerous jobs that Singaporeans don’t want. They may start with these jobs but they will never end up with these job. Why?
Because the PRs that the govt selected are already the top tier of their birth nations. Many forumites will dispute this. Both views are correct simply because the top tier will also bring their family members - parent, wife, husband, children etc who may not also belong to top tier.
I know because when I did a post-graduate course, I met huge no. of PRs from Myanmar, India, Philippine and Vietnam. 80% of my classmates were PRs. The Singaporeans in my cohort had Bachelor degrees. The PRs, 60% had Master degrees, the other 40% had MBBS degrees. Imagine my shock when I discovered some even had two Master degrees.
What can Singaporean do in order to keep our job? I really don't know. But I can add this.
Comparing Singaporeans and PRs. The PRs are hard working and diligent people – but to a point of being straight jack and narrow-minded. The Singaporeans are more flamboyant and creative.
To survive this new Singapore order, personally, I think we should beware of these:-
1) don’t underestimate the PRs, 2) think out-of-the-box for solution, 3) don’t let fear, frustration or impatience distract we, Singaporeans, from our long term goals. -
Just an observation. I find it bizarre to be served an onion rava masala from my favouite indian veg store in litte india by a Chinaman who can speak neither English or Tamil. Really, wtf is going on in this country?
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As a human being, i respect the everyone who come to Singapore to earn a living.Because we are afterall human being not animals.I don't blame them for taking our rice bowl because honestly speaking, they are really hardworking.
But, but... the bad thing is, our government let in cats and dogs.Did not monitor who to take in.Just take in anyone.Cats and dogs meaning those garang kuni also from China
???How they manage to get in in the first place?Since they are garang kuni, how come they can get in to work as one?Where is the rule and regulations on who can work here and where they can work?No one bother to make a check?Something strange going on here, isit that the government afraid that the economic crisies will hit hard at their election vote that's why they are letting in more and more foreigners and give them red citizens so that they will vote them?Anyone want to comment?
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Funny how there are no foreign talents in the area where it is most needed - the government...
After all, why aren't the talents (instead of paying other-worldly compensation to a bunch of incompetent despots and their cronies) of the Obamas, Sarkozys, Browns, Merkels, Berlusconis and Asos tapped given the better returns they offer for their services?
Oops, did I mention the concept of foreign talent differs greatly in the free world as opposed to a fascist-styled "Animal Farm"?
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I think it is about time to kick the asses of these so called foreign talents out of Singapore !!!
Rob us of our jobs and still bash us in the cyberworld such cowardly act !!
The PRCs, The Mamas & Pinoys get lost !!!
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At best it is a short term solution... you really think that importing foreigners into this small island to boost the economy is a sustainable option?
Another "for self interests" policy of the cursed despot and his running dogs.
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Originally posted by rekcutdnabib:
What do you think of the influx of foreign talents in Singapore? Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? What can SIngaporeans do in order for them to be able to keep their jobs?
Well, for a start, its should be good, talents to help us progress, increase our population and balance our demograhpic disparity.On the economy context, the word "talents" is always in the eyes of the beholden, how you define talent, how talented are they, are they a group of stepping stone talents or a passing by talents. Are they really helping our economy or just making up the nos. The govt need to justify that their contribution thru satistics or figure, to Singapore so as to prove that we do progress because of Foreign talents factor. Are these talents fully committed to work and make singapore a better place to live in or are they here as a free raider due to our open economy that embrace foreign talents. Are these talents because of their poor conditioned countries, taking singapore as a temp hidding place, which is peaceful. Lastly, are we attracting the correct talents.
On the social context, it is a test for singaporeans, how are we going to accept them, how are we going to hold our pledge of regardless of race, language and religion and just base on talents, vice versa, how are these talents going to suit into our society, are they going to accept our culture or critises and laugh on it, are they able to appreciate our older generation effort that make them here today. Is the govt going to look at talents and Singaporeans on a equal basis, equal footing, if so, how about male foreigner talents serving in NS.
LKY said to those foreigners, if you got the skills, the talents, the certificate and the experiences, no matter who you are, where you are from, we welcome you. So, we have become a country whereby the govt is doing the marketing for us to attract foreign talents, and of course as you know in marketing, u need nice words and curry flavoring voices, imagine what will happen if LKY said to those foreigners, if you are former convict of your country before, if you a former drug addict, if you buy your certificate which is most available in your own country, if you come from a culture of talking loudly with ill manners, if you dislike a greying society, if you refuse to pay taxes, if you critise alots and if you are a lazy bum, if you refeuse to accept singapore culture, please dun come here. I guess foreigner talents still come because their own countries cannot offer them anything.
So if you ask me if foreign talents here is good or not, u need to compare a 3rd world foreign talent and a 1st world foreign talent, because i believe in attracting the very best talents, the 1st world talents, but the 1st world talents mostly stay in their own wonderful countries, why should they migrate, so in a nut shell, we hv to ask ourselves, out of 1000 foreigner talents we take in, maybe 999 are rubbish.
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Originally posted by dalim1966sg:
I think it is about time to kick the asses of these so called foreign talents out of Singapore !!!
Rob us of our jobs and still bash us in the cyberworld such cowardly act !!
The PRCs, The Mamas & Pinoys get lost !!!
PRC gals cannot kick out, Singapore Uncles need them. If you kick out PRC gals, alot will commit suicide or vote for the opposition.Mama is critical in our heavy industry, today young singaporeans like us cannot work in shipyard, construction and road work anymore. Only Mama can stand the sun, heat and the hardship.
Pinoys are good, without them Lucky Plaza, City Plaza, Novena shopping will close down leading to more jobs loses for Singaporeans. And also without Pinoy maids, most childrens will be left wondering the street and the Papas of these childrens will hv less afternoon sex.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Well, for a start, its should be good, talents to help us progress, increase our population and balance our demograhpic disparity.On the economy context, the word "talents" is always in the eyes of the beholden, how you define talent, how talented are they, are they a group of stepping stone talents or a passing by talents. Are they really helping our economy or just making up the nos. The govt need to justify that their contribution thru satistics or figure, to Singapore so as to prove that we do progress because of Foreign talents factor. Are these talents fully committed to work and make singapore a better place to live in or are they here as a free raider due to our open economy that embrace foreign talents. Are these talents because of their poor conditioned countries, taking singapore as a temp hidding place, which is peaceful. Lastly, are we attracting the correct talents.
On the social context, it is a test for singaporeans, how are we going to accept them, how are we going to hold our pledge of regardless of race, language and religion and just base on talents, vice versa, how are these talents going to suit into our society, are they going to accept our culture or critises and laugh on it, are they able to appreciate our older generation effort that make them here today. Is the govt going to look at talents and Singaporeans on a equal basis, equal footing, if so, how about male foreigner talents serving in NS.
LKY said to those foreigners, if you got the skills, the talents, the certificate and the experiences, no matter who you are, where you are from, we welcome you. So, we have become a country whereby the govt is doing the marketing for us to attract foreign talents, and of course as you know in marketing, u need nice words and curry flavoring voices, imagine what will happen if LKY said to those foreigners, if you are former convict of your country before, if you a former drug addict, if you buy your certificate which is most available in your own country, if you come from a culture of talking loudly with ill manners, if you dislike a greying society, if you refuse to pay taxes, if you critise alots and if you are a lazy bum, if you refeuse to accept singapore culture, please dun come here. I guess foreigner talents still come because their own countries cannot offer them anything.
So if you ask me if foreign talents here is good or not, u need to compare a 3rd world foreign talent and a 1st world foreign talent, because i believe in attracting the very best talents, the 1st world talents, but the 1st world talents mostly stay in their own wonderful countries, why should they migrate, so in a nut shell, we hv to ask ourselves, out of 1000 foreigner talents we take in, maybe 999 are rubbish.
to summarise wat you post
we will leave u to die and rot for those singaporean who do not have any talent
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Well, for a start, its should be good, talents to help us progress, increase our population and balance our demograhpic disparity.On the economy context, the word "talents" is always in the eyes of the beholden, how you define talent, how talented are they, are they a group of stepping stone talents or a passing by talents. Are they really helping our economy or just making up the nos. The govt need to justify that their contribution thru satistics or figure, to Singapore so as to prove that we do progress because of Foreign talents factor. Are these talents fully committed to work and make singapore a better place to live in or are they here as a free raider due to our open economy that embrace foreign talents. Are these talents because of their poor conditioned countries, taking singapore as a temp hidding place, which is peaceful. Lastly, are we attracting the correct talents.
On the social context, it is a test for singaporeans, how are we going to accept them, how are we going to hold our pledge of regardless of race, language and religion and just base on talents, vice versa, how are these talents going to suit into our society, are they going to accept our culture or critises and laugh on it, are they able to appreciate our older generation effort that make them here today. Is the govt going to look at talents and Singaporeans on a equal basis, equal footing, if so, how about male foreigner talents serving in NS.
LKY said to those foreigners, if you got the skills, the talents, the certificate and the experiences, no matter who you are, where you are from, we welcome you. So, we have become a country whereby the govt is doing the marketing for us to attract foreign talents, and of course as you know in marketing, u need nice words and curry flavoring voices, imagine what will happen if LKY said to those foreigners, if you are former convict of your country before, if you a former drug addict, if you buy your certificate which is most available in your own country, if you come from a culture of talking loudly with ill manners, if you dislike a greying society, if you refuse to pay taxes, if you critise alots and if you are a lazy bum, if you refeuse to accept singapore culture, please dun come here. I guess foreigner talents still come because their own countries cannot offer them anything.
So if you ask me if foreign talents here is good or not, u need to compare a 3rd world foreign talent and a 1st world foreign talent, because i believe in attracting the very best talents, the 1st world talents, but the 1st world talents mostly stay in their own wonderful countries, why should they migrate, so in a nut shell, we hv to ask ourselves, out of 1000 foreigner talents we take in, maybe 999 are rubbish.
I agree that comparisions must be made inorder to claim a thing to be bad or good. But not only compares but comparisons must be a good one and made on even grounds.
Like the principle of my previous school show us a photo of homeless africans. She reminded us how fortunate we are.
But what is she hinting at? Since she compares us to poorer country, shall we also compare ourselves to richer countries to remind ourselves how unfortunate or poor we are, not able to enjoy free medications from the govt? So i think its always fair to compare both sides and come to a conclusion.
And when one says FT... i would always ask... does he mean FT as in Foreign Talents? Or FT as in Foreign Trash? Its a big difference when u see foreign workers spit, pee and pollutes the air of our transport system.
Those who is foreigner and of high calibre is what i really call a foreign talent. But i've met alot and usually their noses are pointed high. They don't give locals here a damn!
So much so for bringing them in!
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
I agree that comparisions must be made inorder to claim a thing to be bad or good. But not only compares but comparisons must be a good one and made on even grounds.
Like the principle of my previous school show us a photo of homeless africans. She reminded us how fortunate we are.
But what is she hinting at? Since she compares us to poorer country, shall we also compare ourselves to richer countries to remind ourselves how unfortunate or poor we are, not able to enjoy free medications from the govt? So i think its always fair to compare both sides and come to a conclusion.
And when one says FT... i would always ask... does he mean FT as in Foreign Talents? Or FT as in Foreign Trash? Its a big difference when u see foreign workers spit, pee and pollutes the air of our transport system.
Those who is foreigner and of high calibre is what i really call a foreign talent. But i've met alot and usually their noses are pointed high. They don't give locals here a damn!
So much so for bringing them in!
It is therefore very important for the govt to syncronise the culture shock our fellow singaporeans is at time, suffering from influx of foreign talents. Many a time, i see the less graceful lots of foreign talents than a graceful one, not only to talents from PRC or Indian, even those from Europe and State.My Dad said the real talented and well groomed ones are not here, we can only attract the 3rd or 4 tiers of the world talents, and these are usually drop out or just make it talents looking for a place to show their power and talents. Once you label a foreigner a talent, psychologically speaking, he stoods proud and look down on us or the old singaporeans, when he forget that these old peoples are the our nation builders. To them, as I spoke to some, it is a hit and run scenarios, they got nothing to loose but more to gain, given a job, a citizenship or PR status, they roamed singapore as tho they are the elite and most wanted.
Well, I do not blame them, afterall they are invited, and as invited guests, they assume to be well and better treated on a higher level.
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Originally posted by 4sg:
What can Singaporean do in order to keep our job? I really don't know. But I can add this.
Comparing Singaporeans and PRs. The PRs are hard working and diligent people – but to a point of being straight jack and narrow-minded. The Singaporeans are more flamboyant and creative.
2 pts:
1) We can't attract the top-tier talents. Singapore is usually 2nd or 3rd choice. Top choice countries include USA, Australia, Canada... in fact, quite a few who come to Singapore also treat it as a stepping stone, ie to get to the country of their top choice.
2) I dispute your point that Singaporeans are creative. On the contrary, I feel we are devoid of creativity, that's why this country is so boring.
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let me say this, geyland pros also have S pass and working permit.
if have time, go talk to geyland uncles and they can verify it.
or can also ask SS angel .
Heil
Luffwaffe!!
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
2 pts:
1) We can't attract the top-tier talents. Singapore is usually 2nd or 3rd choice. Top choice countries include USA, Australia, Canada... in fact, quite a few who come to Singapore also treat it as a stepping stone, ie to get to the country of their top choice.
2) I dispute your point that Singaporeans are creative. On the contrary, I feel we are devoid of creativity, that's why this country is so boring.
We are stifled by a boring environment where rules and regulation plays a big parts in our life - where Singapore is well-known as a FINE country. -
Originally posted by Vaum:
We are stifled by a boring environment where rules and regulation plays a big parts in our life - where Singapore is well-known as a FINE country.On top of that, our education makes us boring people. Our education produces obediant workers, not leaders.
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On the contrary, I feel we are devoid of creativity, that's why this country is so boring.
The cause of that is quite obvious and is known to everyone.
The autocratic rule and the fear factor are the main factors.
Country is so boring is due to suppression of political, intellectual and cultural life.
The mainstream media is also only used as a tool for spreading state propaganda, so we can't expect anything too creative or daring from it.
PAP regime trys to solve these issues by importing foreign stuff and people but that tends to weaken national morale, kill off local culture, destroy bond to home soil, increase immigration rates and demoralises the people.
That is why PAP regime has to go.
That is the only way to save Singapore.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
AP regime trys to solve these issues by importing foreign stuff and people but that tends to weaken national morale, kill off local culture, destroy bond to home soil, increase immigration rates and demoralises the people.
Just wanted to say that I feel that I have little or no culture and no bond to home soil
I just feel that I am a global mercenary
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Our education produces obediant workers, not leaders.
Our education system is not designed to produce critical thinking people or provide intellectual training.
It is designed to brainwash people, turn them into economic tools of the ruling regime.
A bit like DPRK system.
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Just wanted to say that I feel that I have little or no culture and no bond to home soil
I just feel that I am a global mercenary
No choice, you were born and grew up in the PAP rule and trained under the PAP public school system.
PAP regime like to complain of migration rates but refuses to admit their fucked up system is the root cause of all these problems.
PAP regime has to go, otherwise the entire state will be destroyed by them.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Our education system is not designed to produce critical thinking people or provide intellectual training.
It is designed to brainwash people, turn them into economic tools of the ruling regime.
A bit like DPRK system.
Kinda agree with you.
There is a severe lack of creativity in this nation, and its people.
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There is a severe lack of creativity in this nation, and its people.
It is due to suppression and fear.
The people are normal.
It is the PAP regime that oppresses the people and produces the fear.
Under such repressive conditions, creativity cannot grow.
That is why PAP rule must go.
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Originally posted by reyes:
let me say this, geyland pros also have S pass and working permit.
if have time, go talk to geyland uncles and they can verify it.
or can also ask SS angel .
Heil
Luffwaffe!!
Hell to my Hitler!!!
Operation Geyland had 3 contingents, one is licensed, the other is freelance, and one more is contact pros.
The freelance needs to pay a certain amount to the SS there so as to hv a strong foothold, most are on a month social pass, however they can renew their monthly visa by going into malaysia or batam and then back to singapore at approx $350/per person, everything bao all. They can also get contact to do it at ICA at a higher price, most PRC, vietnam come by this way.
The license ones are 2 year work permit, 2 weeks HIV check, they hold the so call white card. Consist mostly of thai gals but now even PRC gals are licensed. You will be surprise that the owner of these pros shop are CID, anti vice and high rank police officers joint venture to get a common rep to run it. Well, it is legal afterall.
The Contract or contact ones are those with no money at all, they came in here by prepaid and protected by the SS, the first 80 times of sex money will be given to the SS, so they do 80 times free just to pay what they own to the SS for their airfare, food, lodging and protection. This is also unlicensed one. Usually you will see a pimp doing the marketing for them.
Dun listen to those uncles too much, most of the time, they are talking nonsense after alcohol inducement or kenna mei hwa to.
Hope that answer you queries.
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