Originally posted by nature-ones:i dun care what blood he has -.-
now sg has changed so much sia
everywhere i see is PRC or foreigner worker
even HDB flat sia, like every floor got one flat rent to those ppl
almost everywhere in the world lah. Where there are opportunities, people will flock. Ultimately, you would want to be welcomed when you work abroad as well.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:lan jiao.
Lan jiao what lan jiao?
In spite of their language, the Baba considered themselves Chinese, retained Chinese kinship patterns and religion, and even when speaking Malay used a distinct Baba dialect of Malay with many loan words from Hokkien. Never a large proportion of Singapore's Chinese population, in the late nineteenth century they took advantage of opportunities for education in English and promoted themselves as loyal to Britain.
In Singapore, many Baba families spoke English as a first language and produced many of the leaders of Singapore's independent political movements, including Lee Kuan Yew.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/singapore/sg_glos.html#Baba
- Baba Chinese
- Descendants of marriages between Chinese men and Malay women, many of whom moved to Singapore from Malacca in the early nineteenth century. Although mixed parentage gradually disappeared through marriage with Chinese immigrants, the Babas usually spoke Malay or English as their first language and identified more closely with Singapore and Malaya than with China. After establishment of Straits Settlements (q.v.) in 1826, their descendants also came to be known as Straits Chinese
- But my father was also the eldest son in a typical Peranakan family. He cannot even crack a soft-boiled egg - such things not being expected of men, especially eldest sons, in Peranakan families.
- http://singapurakini.wordpress.com/2009/04/05
you lan jiao lah.
you say half chinese. never mind, i give you leeway. show us some proof that he is quarter malay enough le.
you lying right there still not lan jiao?
Originally posted by Ah Chia:lan jiao.
Lan jiao what lan jiao?
In spite of their language, the Baba considered themselves Chinese, retained Chinese kinship patterns and religion, and even when speaking Malay used a distinct Baba dialect of Malay with many loan words from Hokkien. Never a large proportion of Singapore's Chinese population, in the late nineteenth century they took advantage of opportunities for education in English and promoted themselves as loyal to Britain.
In Singapore, many Baba families spoke English as a first language and produced many of the leaders of Singapore's independent political movements, including Lee Kuan Yew.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/singapore/sg_glos.html#Baba
- Baba Chinese
- Descendants of marriages between Chinese men and Malay women, many of whom moved to Singapore from Malacca in the early nineteenth century. Although mixed parentage gradually disappeared through marriage with Chinese immigrants, the Babas usually spoke Malay or English as their first language and identified more closely with Singapore and Malaya than with China. After establishment of Straits Settlements (q.v.) in 1826, their descendants also came to be known as Straits Chinese
- But my father was also the eldest son in a typical Peranakan family. He cannot even crack a soft-boiled egg - such things not being expected of men, especially eldest sons, in Peranakan families.
- http://singapurakini.wordpress.com/2009/04/05
Being peranakan does not mean he has blood from another race.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:effective business communication language.
That is not real reason.
Don't accept then forget it.
it is an effective business communication language. I do not know the real reason unless he tells me. Accept what ?
you say half chinese. never mind, i give you leeway. show us some proof that he is quarter malay enough le.
What lan jiao talking you?
When I say the dog got malay blood?
I said he baba chinese which I consider to be half chinese.
Lan jiao lah you.
Pui.
almost everywhere in the world lah.
Show me example where country 34% of people are foreigners.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:you say half chinese. never mind, i give you leeway. show us some proof that he is quarter malay enough le.
What lan jiao talking you?
When I say the dog got malay blood?
I said he baba chinese which I consider to be half chinese.
Lan jiao lah you.
Pui.
........................
then he is just singaporean
Originally posted by Ah Chia:you say half chinese. never mind, i give you leeway. show us some proof that he is quarter malay enough le.
What lan jiao talking you?
When I say the dog got malay blood?
I said he baba chinese which I consider to be half chinese.
Lan jiao lah you.
Pui.
pui, your definition of half chinese is baba?
you even post some shit about baba that says baba has malay blood, now you want to say that you never say LKY has malay blood?
if you never bring up race, than i don't care. but now you blatently want to say that LKY is half chinese or baba?
you think everyone is blind ah? lan jiao!
chinese have been practise ancestor worship for a long time, i am sure whether what you said is true, it sounds like conspiracy theory, but i think PAP have successfully isolate singapore from china, from china's influence,
Long time ago chinese seek shelter in Nanyang, which is singapura in chinese, because the political turbulence, but no one consider nanyang as their home, sooner or later they want to get back to china, and Nanyang at that time is equivalent to a horrible place, rumoured among chinese,
many prostitute have been traffic to nanyang , and they fear so much of going to nanyang, singaporean chinese at that time is similar to a diaspora jewish during world war, and jews in world promtly go back to Israel when the country of israel is formally established.
and i am not familar with the history, during which singapore's economy grow tremendously. and PAP successfully establish a so called singapore spirit, which is similar to hongkong spirit, means working hard, and striving for success,
and the new generation is born in singapore, who enjoy first class infrastructure, and stable political enviorment, and after the successfully education and building of singpapore identity, the new generation consider them to be singaporean for the first time, and singaporean chinese become a name of different being with china chinese.
but although offending, but i would say, the first generation of chinese come to singapore are mostly not educated people. THey may not be familiar with the classical chiense culture, which is the reason they don't develope firm bond with china,
and now after the english is being accepted as official language, no one willing to read difficult chinese classics, and the only tie between singaporean chinese and china is blocked, that's the reason why singaporean chinese despise china chinese, although speaking same language, and looks the same.
Singapore have made a miracle, after British formly withdraw from singpapore, they predict singapore will not survive without the aid from british side.But singapore successfully, building it's economy for post colony period, and successfully establish,"singapore" brand ,in world market in terms of entre port economy,
now singapore have been on the right track of development, but seems the development of economy never satisfy the appetite of singaporean, and the more and more stressful life, triggered by globalisation, and shortage in local market itself, to build up a self sufficient economy.
after economic booming, steady peiord of development, singaporean feel that they are as good as US ,Uk, and proud of it's singapore identity. After the long time to struggle for survival, singaporean become more and more crave to become first class in every aspect, the PAP government already lagging behind to fulfill the need of singaporean's appetite for more transparent and democratic government. And the autocratic government model already become outdated to maintain a efficient and acceptable governance, just like a script in movie, they are looking for something more extraordinary.
being exposed to more more about western life, especially the life in europe, where the human right, is greatly respected, where they have longer maternity leave, and less time in working, singaporean are not satisfied to be lecture by PAP, what is the next step, after the booming time, people realise that there are something more extraordinary, which is democracy, and realise that for so long time, they have been brainwashed, and behave like a working maching.
The shift from making survival concern to have more quality government and life in education, medical, insurance, and social welfare, mark a great breakthrough from post colony to new singapore identity.
And this is the driving force, of calling for a political reform, we not only need money, and respect at the same time, it's the end of singapore's modernisation and westernisation, and the beginning , singapore creation.
i hail for what singapore have achieved, but after all this , we need to think what is the next step, going western way, or going your own way. SIngapore need democracy, or authoritarian with singapore characristics.
this question is what singapore will face during, next10 to 20 years.
And the dead of old singapore and the born of new singapore will prove whether, singaporean is capable of facing the new era of economy, which is the ending of one polarisation to multi polarisation, and the decline of old world order, the rise of new world order, which, the asia and asia market will become a big role in world economy.
this the question, singapore need to provide answer for , and we will witness, whether singapore will uplift itself from first class hardware, to first class "software", from hard power to soft power. it's time to take break, and think what is the next step for singapore.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:almost everywhere in the world lah.
Show me example where country 34% of people are foreigners.
percentage wise i can't give you figures, but foreigners have been flocking to the states, Australia, U.K etc. Even China will have a rising count of foreigners in their midst. Where there is opportunity, foreigners will flock.
you even post some shit about baba that says baba has malay blood, now you want to say that you never say LKY has malay blood?
Quote my posting that says baba has malay blood.
I do not know the real reason unless he tells me. Accept what ?
Since you don't accept my explanation and chooses to defend. Then so be it. I won't force.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:you even post some shit about baba that says baba has malay blood, now you want to say that you never say LKY has malay blood?
Quote my posting.
I do not know the real reason unless he tells me. Accept what ?
Since you don't accept my explanation and chooses to defend. Then so be it. I won't force.
you short term memory ah?
now just answer this straight.
Is LKY half chinese?
Originally posted by Ah Chia:lan jiao.
Lan jiao what lan jiao?
In spite of their language, the Baba considered themselves Chinese, retained Chinese kinship patterns and religion, and even when speaking Malay used a distinct Baba dialect of Malay with many loan words from Hokkien. Never a large proportion of Singapore's Chinese population, in the late nineteenth century they took advantage of opportunities for education in English and promoted themselves as loyal to Britain.
In Singapore, many Baba families spoke English as a first language and produced many of the leaders of Singapore's independent political movements, including Lee Kuan Yew.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/singapore/sg_glos.html#Baba
- Baba Chinese
- Descendants of marriages between Chinese men and Malay women, many of whom moved to Singapore from Malacca in the early nineteenth century. Although mixed parentage gradually disappeared through marriage with Chinese immigrants, the Babas usually spoke Malay or English as their first language and identified more closely with Singapore and Malaya than with China. After establishment of Straits Settlements (q.v.) in 1826, their descendants also came to be known as Straits Chinese
- But my father was also the eldest son in a typical Peranakan family. He cannot even crack a soft-boiled egg - such things not being expected of men, especially eldest sons, in Peranakan families.
- http://singapurakini.wordpress.com/2009/04/05
LOOK
percentage wise i can't give you figures, but foreigners have been
flocking to the states, Australia, U.K etc. Even China will have a
rising count of foreigners in their midst. Where there is
opportunity, foreigners will flock.
I am talking about percentage of foreigners in countries and the locals becoming minorities not common sense stuf like "Where there is opportunity, foreigners will flock."
My neighbour's dog also know.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:you even post some shit about baba that says baba has malay blood, now you want to say that you never say LKY has malay blood?
Quote my posting.
I do not know the real reason unless he tells me. Accept what ?
Since you don't accept my explanation and chooses to defend. Then so be it. I won't force.
Im not defending anything. As a matter of fact I didn't even see your explanation. I just think that it is an effective communication language and we have benefited in terms of commerce. Perhaps I have missed out on showcasing my wayang kulit, silat or chinese wushu skills to foreigners but i don't really care.
but i don't really care.
Your chinese cultural morale weakened.
Originally posted by kramnave:How is Lee Kuan Yew half-chinese ?
i think what Ah chia means he is half chinese in the mind set
Originally posted by Ah Chia:
- Descendants of marriages between Chinese men and Malay women, many of whom moved to Singapore from Malacca in the early nineteenth century. Although mixed parentage gradually disappeared through marriage with Chinese immigrants, the Babas usually spoke Malay or English as their first language and identified more closely with Singapore and Malaya than with China. After establishment of Straits Settlements (q.v.) in 1826, their descendants also came to be known as Straits Chinese
- Lan jiao lah you.
- Wo pui!
Pui, than why is baba half chinese?
why you say LKY half chinese, if he has no malay blood?
Lan jiao lah you, blatently lying, pui!
Originally posted by constantinePa:chinese have been practise ancestor worship for a long time, i am sure whether what you said is true, it sounds like conspiracy theory, but i think PAP have successfully isolate singapore from china, from china's influence,
Long time ago chinese seek shelter in Nanyang, which is singapura in chinese, because the political turbulence, but no one consider nanyang as their home, sooner or later they want to get back to china, and Nanyang at that time is equivalent to a horrible place, rumoured among chinese,
many prostitute have been traffic to nanyang , and they fear so much of going to nanyang, singaporean chinese at that time is similar to a diaspora jewish during world war, and jews in world promtly go back to Israel when the country of israel is formally established.
and i am not familar with the history, during which singapore's economy grow tremendously. and PAP successfully establish a so called singapore spirit, which is similar to hongkong spirit, means working hard, and striving for success,
and the new generation is born in singapore, who enjoy first class infrastructure, and stable political enviorment, and after the successfully education and building of singpapore identity, the new generation consider them to be singaporean for the first time, and singaporean chinese become a name of different being with china chinese.
but although offending, but i would say, the first generation of chinese come to singapore are mostly not educated people. THey may not be familiar with the classical chiense culture, which is the reason they don't develope firm bond with china,
and now after the english is being accepted as official language, no one willing to read difficult chinese classics, and the only tie between singaporean chinese and china is blocked, that's the reason why singaporean chinese despise china chinese, although speaking same language, and looks the same.
Singapore have made a miracle, after British formly withdraw from singpapore, they predict singapore will not survive without the aid from british side.But singapore successfully, building it's economy for post colony period, and successfully establish,"singapore" brand ,in world market in terms of entre port economy,
now singapore have been on the right track of development, but seems the development of economy never satisfy the appetite of singaporean, and the more and more stressful life, triggered by globalisation, and shortage in local market itself, to build up a self sufficient economy.
after economic booming, steady peiord of development, singaporean feel that they are as good as US ,Uk, and proud of it's singapore identity. After the long time to struggle for survival, singaporean become more and more crave to become first class in every aspect, the PAP government already lagging behind to fulfill the need of singaporean's appetite for more transparent and democratic government. And the autocratic government model already become outdated to maintain a efficient and acceptable governance, just like a script in movie, they are looking for something more extraordinary.
being exposed to more more about western life, especially the life in europe, where the human right, is greatly respected, where they have longer maternity leave, and less time in working, singaporean are not satisfied to be lecture by PAP, what is the next step, after the booming time, people realise that there are something more extraordinary, which is democracy, and realise that for so long time, they have been brainwashed, and behave like a working maching.
The shift from making survival concern to have more quality government and life in education, medical, insurance, and social welfare, mark a great breakthrough from post colony to new singapore identity.
And this is the driving force, of calling for a political reform, we not only need money, and respect at the same time, it's the end of singapore's modernisation and westernisation, and the beginning , singapore creation.
i hail for what singapore have achieved, but after all this , we need to think what is the next step, going western way, or going your own way. SIngapore need democracy, or authoritarian with singapore characristics.
this question is what singapore will face during, next10 to 20 years.
And the dead of old singapore and the born of new singapore will prove whether, singaporean is capable of facing the new era of economy, which is the ending of one polarisation to multi polarisation, and the decline of old world order, the rise of new world order, which, the asia and asia market will become a big role in world economy.
this the question, singapore need to provide answer for , and we will witness, whether singapore will uplift itself from first class hardware, to first class "software", from hard power to soft power. it's time to take break, and think what is the next step for singapore.
hey ,guys what do you think about this post, any comments?
Originally posted by Ah Chia:
- Descendants of marriages between Chinese men and Malay women, many of whom moved to Singapore from Malacca in the early nineteenth century. Although mixed parentage gradually disappeared through marriage with Chinese immigrants, the Babas usually spoke Malay or English as their first language and identified more closely with Singapore and Malaya than with China. After establishment of Straits Settlements (q.v.) in 1826, their descendants also came to be known as Straits Chinese
- Lan jiao lah you.
- Wo pui!
Not all. Being Peranakan means that they are decendants of another race. Mostly straits born chinese and have assimilated to the local culture.
Originally posted by constantinePa:hey ,guys what do you think about this post, any comments?
too long
Baba, Nyonya, Peranakan, i think it is fair to consider them "half chinese", although some would say they are non chinese or "mixed" chinese.
Lee Kuan Yew was raised as a baba chinese.
Maybe half chinese is not proper term to use here, maybe "mixed" chinese is better or probably baba chinese is clearer.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:but i don't really care.
Your chinese cultural morale weakened.
Don't get me wrong. I'm effectively bilingual and i still appreciate the chinese culture. I watch more chinese movies, listen to more chinese music than english ones. I just thought LKY was turning with the tides, with english and then the speak mandarin campaign.
hey ,guys what do you think about this post, any comments?
too long.